Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

I wanna be not so serious about this. I really do. Even if you legit are seething angry begging for justice, mocking the situation being absurd that Zoe is the REAL victim here is more effective and lulzy for all than raging and spilling spaghetti.

I wanna level with you for a minute.I'm no lawyer, but I've jerked off to a few on TV so basically I am qualified to comment.

1. Zoe is an American under American law. Alec is a Canadian. Canadian law is not going to supersede US law.
2. Unless you have a situation like the case where the guy who killed himself because his GF straight up was texting him and coercing him directly to do it even after he tries to stop.
3. Manslaughter and Second Degree murder are seriously optimistic. Manslaughter is if you accidently run someone down with your car and kill someone without the intent to. Second degree murder is when you kill someone without planning it out but with the intent to do it. The bar for proving intent is high. In a case like this, you'd need hacked DMs that this was a carefully planned and coordinated effort to ruin this guy together, and even then you'd have a better shot nailing them on one of the laws about them going after his employment or libel if you have that and that is a longshot to get because the plaintiff is kinda dead.
4, You also have to prove that Zoe was making it all up and none of it happened. Even if she is exaggerating for victim bux, she's covered under the 1st amendment.

But okay, lets say some how you get conclusive evidence that Zoe and co legit planned this out for the purpose of getting this guy to kill himself knowing that due to his mental issues and poor family relationship he'd KYS

- Unless Alec was married, the only people who can legally press the charges would be the family. Given how the sister is reacting how do you think that's gonna go. I'm shocked they aren't preemptively trying to give Zoe a settlement for Alec embarrassing her with his suicide.
- It's an international case. Unless you can get the criminal system to act (most likely you won't), you'd have to go civil. Zoe doesn't really have money to go after and even if she did the amount of money it would take to get and international civil suit to happen would be massive. It would make the Kick Vic warchest look like a joke.

Personally, I'd rather see people mock this self centered whore rather than seriously rage or drag her through the criminal system. I personally feel being a shit bag online should not be a crime even if it leads to someone killing themselves. It also opens a bag of worms if this becomes serious law. What if one of the indie devs who people say has blood on their hands kills them self? Should the angry people who talked shit to them be held liable?

That said, if you are still seething and raging on the internet isn't enough for you there are other realistic options, but honestly they are kinda gay and you are the same type of person they are for doing it:

- Report her to patreon for knowingly coercing a mentally ill person into suicide with the stuff from him saying in 2016 he felt people were trying to get him to kill himself and in 2013 calling Zoe a pathalogical liar. (This is like crying to the teacher because someone is being too mean, but you have an argument of her breaking TOS not that there is a suicide. Unlikely to do anything but you know Zoe will sperg about it and blame gamergate so it could be funny)
- Figure out and learn how to report her to Canadian imigration so she's denied entry into the country. Given how gay and lame Canada has been lately there is a chance they would not want her in their country over this incident and previous behavior/scams. Honestly this is still a bitch move in my opinion but outrage mobs over this crap got Roosh V banned from England, it'd probably work in Canada.
- Cry to payment processors, web domain hosts, Events she's speaking at, etc. Basically look at anything that ever happened to Null and do it to Zoe with a rage blinded mob. However, to be effective you pretty much gotta have no life and have no self respect.

Basically be a cry baby bitch like Zoe and you'll get SOMEWHERE.

I get the anger. I get the rage. But at the end of the day Alec chose to end things rather than fight it and even if you got what you wanted what change do you think it will make. Reminding people of this every day and spreading the word is more effective than crying to the teacher and demanding the punish the mean person for you.
I think what was weird is that they didn't expect him to kill himself. They just assume he disappeared from the internet for the next couple of years and probably come back more soyish than soy. But I guess they now into damage control over his death and they could affect them in their postponed future MeToo attacks. MeToo might as well be considered a terrorist organization given the deaths they cause! It's a shame he had to die. But just like Ted Bundy? Zoe might as well turn to a life of murder. And yeah I agree we should boycott her future work and warn parents that she killed a guy over a false allegation no more Victimhood BS! The rise of lolz have return from retirement.
 
Posted here on tuesday, go to PAX, come back and there's 100+ more pages. jesus fuck.
So, the short and sweet of it that I got was Zoe accused a guy of sexual assult (the same guy Eron warned, lol) and a day later he offed himself, then the smug fucks of the net started to bravely attack a dead man, assuming his suicide was admittance of guilt

Anything other that I missed?
 
Didn't see it mentioned in the thread and couldn't find anywhere else to post (gamergatehq getting unlocked when?) , Leigh Alexander tried to get on the gaymin me2 train but her target just threatened to sue and she immediately deleted the whole accusation and only got picked up by one literal who site, the article and a google cache [http://archive.fo/j14D1] are the only evidence that shit ever happened. Shit we barely even know what exactly he did besides being abusive. (though to be honest if the accusation was that he made his girlfriends wait around doing mindless shit for no reason then I'd believe that shit full stop)


Shoulda picked a weak(er?) beta like Zoe did. http://archive.fo/kC9u3
Jesus! Look at those replies!
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Apparently, to these people, calling the fucking police is a thing a "coward" would do!
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No wonder these idiots believed Zoe with no evidence! They actively discourage anyone going to the goddamn police or demanding that this shit be proven in a court of law.
 
Apparently, to these people, calling the fucking police is a thing a "coward" would do!

No wonder these idiots believed Zoe with no evidence! They actively discourage anyone going to the goddamn police or demanding that this shit be proven in a court of law.
But going through the systems in place to deal with shit like this would involve facts! Feelings are all that matter!
 
I actually do believe her allegations were, let's call it, "based on a true story". You need to understand one thing about people like Quinn, they don't simply fabricate shit; they weaponize truth, or distort real events to suit themselves. Sure, you can call the act of distortion or weaponization "lying", and it certainly is, but don't mistake it for being completely untruthful because weaponized truth, and half-truth, is far more powerful. Worse, people like Quinn may even believe their own lies, because they're likely to distort their memories, or perception of events, to fit the lie rather than the other way around.

It's pretty common for people with personality disorders -- borderline, bipolar, antisocial -- to end up into kink and BDSM. Especially for the fact a ton of people incorrectly, and dangerously, romanticize kink as a form of therapy to replace professional help. There are a lot of in-roads to it, whether they're trying to self-treat, avoid seeking help or strengthen denial, were talked into it by an abusive partner or trying to internalize and process past trauma, distort self-image or indulge distorted self-image, or as a coping mechanism for trauma-inflicted sexual issues. It's all very complex and interconnected with repetition compulsion and revictimization, too complex for me to be fully equipped to discuss it at length or be willing to do so in a single forum post, but it is what it is.

The problem is, people with untreated personality disorders practicing kink are live hand grenades. Sooner or later it's going off, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it except either jump on it to avoid collateral damage or duck and cover to avoid shrapnel. So you have the bipolar or borderline chick who likes to be hogtied, clamped, spanked until she bleeds, choked, and throat fucked until she pukes all over herself or whatever, great. So what happens when this chick has an episode, gets filled with revulsion for what she not just consented to but probably asked for in the first place, and rationalizes no, that can't be her, she wasn't in the right headspace and never would have consented to that, so clearly it has to be rape!?

And what happens when that chick is surrounded by a hugbox who coddles her, indulges her every whim, and enables her episodes without a single person around to reality check?

That's all before you factor in the fact someone like Quinn is radioactively manipulative and narcissistic, who has clearly learned how to weaponize her own issues for personal gain. Simply practicing kink has horrendous optics, let alone post-#MeToo, let alone within degenerate and double standard-ridden social justice and soy culture. But I have my own thoughts on that of which I have personal experience, that I'll discuss at another time.

I have no doubt the events Quinn described actually happened. I also believe they were almost certainly consensual, if not negotiated, something Quinn either omitted or rationalized out of memory to best-fit her self-perception. In other words, "true enough" to stick when strategically deployed for maximum personal gain.

You are describing Yonah Rebecca Hernandez Gerber to a T with this post. It is honestly shocking how much these two are alike in MO. For those not familiar with this cow she's an overly emotional, fragile presenting dangerhair, rotating through a stable of men who buy her collars from petco and fuck her in what I infer are daddy/dom ageplay settings while her two cuck caretakers sit in the other room. It was all fine and healthy consensual kinkplay among mature poly-amorous adults until one of the men slighted her months, possibly over a year after the fact.

Retroactively all the squeeing on twitter about gifted collars from her daddies never happened and she was now gas-lit, abused and raped multiple times over the course of months while her (now) husbands sat around and did nothing to protect her. She called this person out, "Punningpundit" I believe and hasn't stopped, off and on to do so for what I think has been over a year. Owning to her lack of clout I do not believe this has gone anywhere, but this sounds exactly Zoe and this situation with Alec.

Fortunately for us all Rebecca is a fucking loser compared to Zoe Quinn, ensnaring and latching on to the one Riot Dev who gave her some relevance and riding his flaming career (after she sabotaged it) down into absolute irrelevance. I wonder if.. Daniel? would have necked himself in the alternate reality where Zoe Quinn got to him first and called his ass out.

What I wouldn't give for an adversarial crossover between these two ladies.
 
Jesus! Look at those replies!
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No wonder these idiots believed Zoe with no evidence! They actively discourage anyone going to the goddamn police or demanding that this shit be proven in a court of law.
These answers would be funny if the whole situation wasn't so fucking depressing.

What should an innocent person do, in their opinion? Just ignore it and wait till it goes away? Say "nou" on twitter, and enjoy being the target of a hate campaign?
Shit, if someone was alleging I'm a rapist online I'd be on the phone with my lawyer before I finished reading the tweet, and on my way to the cops as soon as the call ended.
 
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No wonder these idiots believed Zoe with no evidence! They actively discourage anyone going to the goddamn police or demanding that this shit be proven in a court of law.
So she delete her original posts shortly after Kennedy threatened legal action? That's funny.
 
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Posted here on tuesday, go to PAX, come back and there's 100+ more pages. jesus fuck.
So, the short and sweet of it that I got was Zoe accused a guy of sexual assult (the same guy Eron warned, lol) and a day later he offed himself, then the smug fucks of the net started to bravely attack a dead man, assuming his suicide was admittance of guilt

Anything other that I missed?
You missed the part where Zoe is making more money because of her bravery towards making some furfag indie dev get necked.
 
"I believe certain people in the indie community want me dead."
He also has had a family member (sister?) tell him "I don't believe in you." when he tried to seek help.

The original Imgur post itself was from some old GG drama where Alec was forced to self-censor instead of calling out some Kotaku lies in order to save his career:

Reading this was a bit of an eye opener for me. Here's some interesting quotes as well from his Facebook screed.

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Those quotes really popped out to me. It seems so Lynchian. Imagine how tormented someone like that is; you're convinced your peers want to ruin your life and your career but your group insist that it's you with the problem. You're the arsehole because you're difficult to work with. You're the arsehole because you were a bad partner. You're the arsehole because of whatever sin that they decided you are guilty of and there will be no chance of a redemption because you're the arsehole. No matter what you do or how much you say you're sorry; it's already too late and you cannot defend yourself because that would prove that you are guilty. Even through death, the slander doesn't stop and the ghouls come out, gleefully delighting in the death of you, as you are an arsehole, an abuser, a rapist and a soyboy fagatron who believed in everything your tormentors believed. Your reputation ruined, your colleagues, your friends, your own family turning their back on you, blackballed in an industry where you will never find work again and people presume guilt because you ended it.

Perhaps this was some sort of passive aggressive horseshit to guilt people into not exposing his bad behaviour or something like that but it's quite amazing that his cognitive distortion turned out to be true and the people in his life only tolerated him, not because they loved him but only because he could do something for them.

I wonder who'll turn up at the funeral?
 
You missed the part where Zoe is making more money because of her bravery towards making some furfag indie dev get necked.
Oh really? She's profiting from it?

Well, can't say I'm surprised. Disgusted, yes. Surprised, no. That was her goal to begin with, gotta rev up the ol' vag and use it in creative way to gain money.

"calling the police? that's not what an ethical or innocent person does!"
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just how fucking insane are these people
Was that rhetorical or do you wanna go down that rabbit hole
 
You predicted this yourself, Alec. Why?
Sometimes these things become a self fulfilling prophecy, which looks like its the case here since he so blatantly wrote that out.

Kills self -> gives creedence to his distorted belief, evidence that it was true
Doesn't kill self -> his distorted belief is a distorted belief and he needs to accept that and try to get past it

A rational person would probably think, even if a kill myself, it doesn't necessarily mean my distorted belief is true and thoughts of suicide are usually a terrible sign and I should get some help asap.
 
Man the indie community is the goddamn worst but we already knew that. I’m glad these indie “superstars” are being called out, I can tell you it will result in less money and sales for these retards. They’ll be selling games only to each other before long because people are pissed. They’re sick at the cliques, the cancel culture, the dragging, being told what to buy and play, driving a dude to suicide, then circling the wagons to protect an abuser.

They’re (Zoe, anyone associated with her, Rami, Leigh, other indie retwrds) fucked, really fucked.
 
These answers would be funny if the whole situation wasn't so fucking depressing.

What should an innocent person do, in their opinion? Just ignore it and wait till it goes away? Say "nou" on twitter, and enjoy being the target of a hate campaign?

Yes. Believe women.

I don't mean to be trite, I share your concerns but it really is that simple to these people. They cannot entertain the possibility that you're innocent because that would mean they have to entertain the notion that the woman is lying / insane. Which in turn would require them to reserve judgement in any and all cases going forward. You might as well have asked puritans not to burn witches, it is pure dogma. Though the sweet rush of exacting retribution and punishment on worthy criminals probably does its job in motivating people to carry on like this.

As for the lawyer stuff? Nah. You can't sue the internet, that's why this website still exists. You have to understand the gaming industry is a clique, especially the indie segment Alec found himself in. It doesn't matter if you get all gaming journos to shut up, you will never work in the industry again if you get marked like he was.
 
Oh really? She's profiting from it?

Well, can't say I'm surprised. Disgusted, yes. Surprised, no. That was her goal to begin with, gotta rev up the ol' vag and use it in creative way to gain money.
I know it's earlier in the thread, like pages pages back, but someone posted about how before Zoe stopped showing her patreon numbers, she had accrued more patrons and either gained 100$ more per month or is now earning 100$ per month. That last part I was confused on. If you want, when I have time, I can try and find the post.
 
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Yes. Believe women.

I don't mean to be trite, I share your concerns but it really is that simple to these people. They cannot entertain the possibility that you're innocent because that would mean they have to entertain the notion that the woman is lying / insane.
This is nonsense. They fully believe women can be lying assuming it's a woman they don't like. If they had standards, they wouldn't be like this.
 
The "listen and believe" logic is really messed up if what you're hearing isn't "he sexually assaulted me".

"2 + 2 = 5". "Okay, we'll listen and believe that!"

"Vaccines are killing people!" "Okay, we'll listen and believe that!"

"This country is to blame for everything wrong in your life and the only way we can make it better is to destroy it." "Okay, we'll listen and believe that!"
 
Jesus! Look at those replies!
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Apparently, to these people, calling the fucking police is a thing a "coward" would do!
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No wonder these idiots believed Zoe with no evidence! They actively discourage anyone going to the goddamn police or demanding that this shit be proven in a court of law.

"Only COWARDS contact the police when it comes to mean internet comments. If you were an ADULT you would internalize it all and keep it to yourself and then bring it up vaguely months later with no evidence while you tell everyone how you want to kill yourself."
 
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