Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

I still stand by what I said before the dude killed himself that this was a coordinated attack for attention and possibly a way to remove people from the industry she doesn't like.
The more this has gone on the more I believe this, along with several other nonbeliable Metoo type posts and then the Dev team who are one step away from Jim Jones in what they believe it is pretty damn clear they wanted the guy removed.
 
Sid Alpha has just posted a video summerising most of the events thus far, is pretty critical of the usual suspects. It's worth a watch.

This is what Quarter Pounder Hamblargar's video should have been had he not been just shamelessly chasing clicks. He gets to the point and mentions exactly why "listen and believe" is so dangerous. The fact he used the #MeToo hashtag did get a chuckle out of me, too.
 
First of all, you do realise that I already said nothing would happen to her anyway (open your eyes and maybe you'll see that text)?
You're correct, I did not read the fine print joke saying "press x to doubt" at the very bottom. We are in agreement that nothing will probably happen, even if we differ on if there is any kind of legal case. I genuinely just don't think there is one.

On top of this, I'm pretty sure Zoë still lives in Canada. If she doesn't, than you can ignore everything I said. If she still is, I'm pretty sure she's been there long enough to apply for citizenship.

I doubt this. She was working on her Chuck Tingle game in LA according to the Vice fluff piece. Then she was vacationing in Japan (most likely using a US passport). I haven't followed Zoe's movement so she may be in Canada now (in which case there is possible jurisdiction even if prosecution will only happen if this becomes so viral normies hear about it), but she definately isn't a citizen. She doesn't meet the requirements. However if she is over there on a work visa, there is a shot (at the very least she could get sent to the US) [/QUOTE]

As I already said in my post, second degree murder requires proof that she made it up. Why are you bringing it up again? As for being optimistic, I didn't say they were going to happen, ever. Why are you acting like I did say it? Besides, these two charges are the only two possible ones for her to get. My point for bringing them up was to showcase how serious what she did is. The whole point of my post was to show just how disgusting the situation was, with a little shitty joke at the end. There was never a call to action.

I'm not trying to be a jerk. Peoples emotions are running hot and I'm seeing a lot of people (not just you) wanting to see police action on something that doesn't seem actionable, but I'm also under the assumption she is in the US under US law as a US citizen. Two charges are possible but the charges you are claiming are very specific with specific criteria. Maybe its different in Canada. I am assuming US law.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with anything. I did not say I was going to do anything, nor do I want to. Also, in Canada, people can been charged without charges being pressed (there was a girl in Newfoundland who's boyfriend convinced her to kill herself, he's in jail for manslaughter and the police were the ones who pressed the charges). Despite this, as I already said, nothing will be done to her, and I doubt it ever will.

I was addressing more than just you. This was a scatter shot response to the people who keep saying they want police action. IMO, this is a stupid thing to ask for and opens a door to much more than it would resolve. I decided giving ideas for people who didn't wanna larp that they were gonna call the cyber police because we know who is responsible because we back traced it, and actually wanted to seek justice while still including my opinion that going and crying to web hosts, payment processors etc. is kinda gay and not my style personally and the same crap Zoe does all the time (however it is understandable because at this point some people might not care and just wanna hit back, and they have a right to be angry).

I guess you wanted to larp about calling the cyber police.

As for law implications, it's already a thing in Canada. You can go to jail there for your posts, it's been that way since the early 2000s.

But congrats on that lawyer pussy. I gotta find me some for my next JO.

To be fair I'm in Murica, not Canada. Your entire cyber police law fantasy (where you still get cucked by the law even if action is taken) all hangs on a US citizen known to be working in the US with a US company being in Canada and magically becoming a Canadian Citizen in less than a few months.

Unsure why you would talk about charging her and how to charge her. I see all this stuff a lot, where people get wound up trying to get a mob to push for legal action without understanding what they are genuinely asking. The hurdles here are beyond the land of the leaf being cucked, it's that there isn't really a case against Zoe even in the worse case scenerio due to international law, speech being the murder weapon and intent being really hard to prove. Canada may be different, but if Zoe isn't in Canada or didn't become a Canadian citizen, all the US will do is tell Canada "1st amendment, fuck off. You have no jurisdiction".

I find when I'm upset and seething with rage, it's best to come to terms with what I cannot do in order to focus on the things I can do. My reply wasn't just for you (all though you were a good example given citing specific charges to prosecute on) it was for all the people who are so upset over a manipulative con artist purposely pushing a mentally ill person to kill himself in order for her to get money and attention demanding legal action to get justice, hoping they take a breath, come to terms with that there isn't really a legal case here, and focus on seeking justice in a realistic way if they are unable to accept what happened and let go.
 
Go ahead and rate me late if this has been posted already I don’t have time to read the 60+ pages that have popped up since my last comment. Looks like someone finally wrote an article that questions the narrative.


 
will she be held to account
She's more likely to fizzle out and lose pay piggies than actually be held to account.
She's also likely to have her fan club turn and leave like Wu's did. Wu had fat stacks of cash Zoe doesn't though.

If the media covers her being the reason Alec killed himself, they have to come to terms with their role in his death and spreading baseless accusations through the platform they gave to a known con artist who is known for doxing and lying. This would also mean admitting GG was right and a bunch of other shit they don't wanna admit.

All responsible parties are just hoping this blows over and things go back to business as usual cause they can't figure a way to polish this turd.
 
I really think it's time for an honest examination of Toxic Femininity.
It's becoming VERY apparent that the goal in all of these recent witch hunts transcends simply destroying reputations. The goal is suicide. The goal is having the target airbrush himself out of whatever scene they're in, like denounced Communist Party member during the purges. Inhumanity is being promoted and encouraged. Sociopathy is being rewarded.

Any one of us has the potential for evil or maladaptive behavior. Values, ideals and empathy are what keep us from going down the lefthand path.
But what if we were immersed in a culture that encouraged the wrong things, that told us we could do no wrong or that some group is so beneath contempt that empathy need not apply? What if our culture and our friends encouraged us to commit callous acts, even rewarding us with validation when we do? It worked for slave traders, it worked for the Nazis. It works for Social Justice and Cancel Culture, too.
I don't think of cultural Marxists as being all that different than people like Brenton Tarrant. They're all accelerationists at the end of the day. They all want to tear it down and neither party cares about the human cost of doing so. The emotional validation of this woman in lieu of all her transgressions is not about lifting up women any more than Bolsheviks murdering intellectuals is about lifting up the worker. It's all about clearing the play field. Tabula rasa. Power.
 
Go ahead and rate me late if this has been posted already I don’t have time to read the 60+ pages that have popped up since my last comment. Looks like someone finally wrote an article that questions the narrative.



And it came from a Russian government propaganda website. Figures.
 
So this is just baseless speculation, and I'm guessing that its already been addressed earlier but I frankly am not going to scan thru 40+ pages.

Anyway Zoe changed her Patreon, it used to display the money she made as well as the number of Patrons. She had to have changed it on August 29 or the 30th because the 29th was the last day Graphtreon counted it. This bothers me because Alec killed himself on August 31 and makes me wonder if Zoe had contact with either Alec or his family and knew he suicidal? Was Zoe already doing damage control before the guy even slit his wrists?

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And the reason would be obvious why she'd hide her Patreon numbers, she wants her Paypigs to not know how much money she's potentially lost from this shitstorm (if she even has lost money). If a bunch of people pulled their money then it'll make others consider dropping out as well.
 
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No way in hell, she's already being heiled as a victim from all of this and winning more points from it. If anything his death is buying her more victimhood points from degenerates which will further propergate her 'cause'.
There is also this:


She runs a company called the Lighthouse Project in Canada that handled the "Jared and Kate" false allegation case a short while ago. Similar to this scenario, it was a false rape allegation that they ended up "winning".

Still though, it's a shame that someone died for some degree of skepticism to become public.
 
You're correct, I did not read the fine print joke saying "press x to doubt" at the very bottom. We are in agreement that nothing will probably happen, even if we differ on if there is any kind of legal case. I genuinely just don't think there is one.



I doubt this. She was working on her Chuck Tingle game in LA according to the Vice fluff piece. Then she was vacationing in Japan (most likely using a US passport). I haven't followed Zoe's movement so she may be in Canada now (in which case there is possible jurisdiction even if prosecution will only happen if this becomes so viral normies hear about it), but she definately isn't a citizen. She doesn't meet the requirements. However if she is over there on a work visa, there is a shot (at the very least she could get sent to the US)



I'm not trying to be a jerk. Peoples emotions are running hot and I'm seeing a lot of people (not just you) wanting to see police action on something that doesn't seem actionable, but I'm also under the assumption she is in the US under US law as a US citizen. Two charges are possible but the charges you are claiming are very specific with specific criteria. Maybe its different in Canada. I am assuming US law.



I was addressing more than just you. This was a scatter shot response to the people who keep saying they want police action. IMO, this is a stupid thing to ask for and opens a door to much more than it would resolve. I decided giving ideas for people who didn't wanna larp that they were gonna call the cyber police because we know who is responsible because we back traced it, and actually wanted to seek justice while still including my opinion that going and crying to web hosts, payment processors etc. is kinda gay and not my style personally and the same crap Zoe does all the time (however it is understandable because at this point some people might not care and just wanna hit back, and they have a right to be angry).

I guess you wanted to larp about calling the cyber police.



To be fair I'm in Murica, not Canada. Your entire cyber police law fantasy (where you still get cucked by the law even if action is taken) all hangs on a US citizen known to be working in the US with a US company being in Canada and magically becoming a Canadian Citizen in less than a few months.

Unsure why you would talk about charging her and how to charge her. I see all this stuff a lot, where people get wound up trying to get a mob to push for legal action without understanding what they are genuinely asking. The hurdles here are beyond the land of the leaf being cucked, it's that there isn't really a case against Zoe even in the worse case scenerio due to international law, speech being the murder weapon and intent being really hard to prove. Canada may be different, but if Zoe isn't in Canada or didn't become a Canadian citizen, all the US will do is tell Canada "1st amendment, fuck off. You have no jurisdiction".

I find when I'm upset and seething with rage, it's best to come to terms with what I cannot do in order to focus on the things I can do. My reply wasn't just for you (all though you were a good example given citing specific charges to prosecute on) it was for all the people who are so upset over a manipulative con artist purposely pushing a mentally ill person to kill himself in order for her to get money and attention demanding legal action to get justice, hoping they take a breath, come to terms with that there isn't really a legal case here, and focus on seeking justice in a realistic way if they are unable to accept what happened and let go.

My attempt at a joke was the "lock her up" bit as well. It was a reference to Trump v. Hillary. It was pretty shit tier.

And, like I said, I was listing the punishments to highlight how what she did, regardless of whether or not she should be in prison, is a crime in Canada (the country I though she was living in because she was there during GG).

Again, I didn't care about the implications of any charges, because I wasn't thinking about her actually being charged or convicted. I can see how my post could be misread, but I was not larping with the cyber police.
 
Go ahead and rate me late if this has been posted already I don’t have time to read the 60+ pages that have popped up since my last comment. Looks like someone finally wrote an article that questions the narrative.


Great article. Hoping if other journos are too lazy and wanna copy and paste this article.

Started pretty even handed but as the author got more into it, you can tell he was getting more and more pissed off.

RT went in on her fucking hard at the end and brought up her past sexual false accusations, lies, scams, and stated her claims skirted the line between experiences in a bad relationship and sex crimes. Moral of the article is trial by twitter is bad and Zoe of all people is someone who should understand this given her shit history. Please don't prey on mentally ill people for money and attention.

The final line stuck with me: "Quinn has not taken any responsibility for what has happened – not even a word of sympathy or regret towards Holowka, or how the story has played out. But soon she will emerge again, and none of this will be her fault, and she will be declared by all to be the real victim here. And the cycle will continue. "
 
Probably because he was afraid of what he thought was a delusion to be true since everyone surrounding him was a feminist or sjw. He probably didn't have a choice but try to fit in with a group of people that pretty much wanted him dead.

He didn't have a choice? :story: For real? Was he a man or a mouse?
I suppose Zoe's gaping hole had a magic spellbinding over him too?

None of that has any bearing on what Zoe did, because she targeted him purposefully with the intent to run him out of the system, but he could have you know... not been a coward leftist, moved out of that circle of beta faggots and been a normal person.
Idpol has always been a problem and it's not some new invention. Women have suffered at the hands of it in the past, Men have suffered at the hands of it. Different religions have. Gays have.
This isn't some new epidemic that's suddenly risen up. It's just that Idpol has shifted it's focus. It's statement has always been the same - Believe the smear merchants.

You cannot use Idpol or morality outrage when it suits you and then be surprised when it comes looking for you. He wouldn't have been on your side if this were someone else.
 
Does anyone remember Fez and how it seemed that Fez got funded in a bit of a weird way? Wouldn't it be a highly convenient way to launder money through trashy indie darlings? I mean, who knows what someone would do if they had intimate knowledge of how certain projects are funded and money moved about, right? Like Swords of Damocles hanging overhead, if any illegality ever happened; it'd be quite a boon for law enforcement to cuff these crackers.
In the same way Catholic priests' sexuality is "a bit weird". The IGF and IndieCade judging process was stacked with Polytron investors, and the game was delayed so it could be entered multiple years in a row while releasing a month after IGF for maximum press. Indie devs had been complaining for years these spedfest indie awards contests were rigged, and once evidence surfaced about Fez thanks to the Polytron hack, a whole lot of other indie devs started whistleblowing too.

I was addressing more than just you. This was a scatter shot response to the people who keep saying they want police action. IMO, this is a stupid thing to ask for and opens a door to much more than it would resolve.
I brought it up too, about sixty(?) pages ago. I don't think she necessarily should, and definitely don't believe a second she will. But, I find myself wondering if the prospect may have been a motivating influence for her to DFE, and let's be honest: the more high profile cases like this that happen, the more likely it will be there will be legislative action to assess more, and harsher, criminal liabilities for actions taken as the result of sustained and intense online harassment. Like I said, there was the Massachusetts case from a few years back involving the girl telling her boyfriend to kill himself.

And like I said in another post, the possibility of civil liability in this case is far more likely, provided Holowka's next-of-kin opts to pursue it -- and if that's his sister, not likely at all apparently. It'd be a feasible case to argue in civil court, depending on jurisdiction the bar to meet for negligent infliction of emotional distress is pretty low, and showing with preponderance of evidence Holowka's suicide was directly attributable to that emotional distress.

Either way, it makes for good mental and rhetorical exercise, and something to consider in terms of implication on civil and criminal liability for online speech.
 
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Great article. Hoping if other journos are too lazy and wanna copy and paste this article.

Started pretty even handed but as the author got more into it, you can tell he was getting more and more pissed off.

RT went in on her fucking hard at the end and brought up her past sexual false accusations, lies, scams, and stated her claims skirted the line between experiences in a bad relationship and sex crimes. Moral of the article is trial by twitter is bad and Zoe of all people is someone who should understand this given her shit history. Please don't prey on mentally ill people for money and attention.

The final line stuck with me: "Quinn has not taken any responsibility for what has happened – not even a word of sympathy or regret towards Holowka, or how the story has played out. But soon she will emerge again, and none of this will be her fault, and she will be declared by all to be the real victim here. And the cycle will continue. "
He should have mentioned she forced her own mother to recant on a book review and make up an imaginary roommate to take the blame. Last year.
 
In the same way Catholic priests' sexuality is "a bit weird". The IGF and IndieCade judging process was stacked with Polytron investors, and the game was delayed so it could be entered multiple years in a row while releasing a month after IGF for maximum press. Indie devs had been complaining for years these spedfest indie awards contests were rigged, and once evidence surfaced about Fez thanks to the Polytron hack, a whole lot of other indie devs started whistleblowing too.
Zoe Quinn has links to a criminal biker gang through her now departed dad.
My guess would be money laundering drug profits via shitty vidya gaems.
Should be worth looking into at least.
 
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