Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

One thing I don't see mentioned a lot in these threads are how many hard drugs are abused in both large companies and small indie studios. I occasionally do contract work for companies in Northern and Southern California and so many people I meet are on adderall or abuses cocaine regularly. People don't realize how bad that stuff is for you if it is used constantly, especially if you are over 30. It can make you very paranoid and have very bad long last effects.
Maybe the reason no one mentions it is because there has been no indicator that drugs were involved in this situation, did you think of that you power leveling sperg?

I find it so hilarious that people are clutching their pearls at this. Users on this site are constantly telling people to kill themselves and most of the people mad at this never even heard of Alec prior to this event. Its all just leftover gamergate drama. It's addictive to follow but its a waste of time.
I know I'm a relatively new member just like you, but come the fuck on, you can't be that fucking exceptional .

We don't tell people to off themselves. We don't even fucking encourage it. Where did you get that idea from? The people who say we have a body count? :wow:
 
And of course if you follow Kate down her rabbit hole you see that she doesn't really give a shit that Alec died.
But judging from what I see rooting through ZQ's asspats I get the idea they all completely knew that he would off himself.
I strongly suspect that Katey first brought out the Alec thing and Chelsea pounced on it.
But I could have that bass ackwards..
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"Men would rather die than work on themselves."

If this doesn't fill you with rage then there is something wrong with you.
 
I find it so hilarious that people are clutching their pearls at this. Users on this site are constantly telling people to kill themselves and most of the people mad at this never even heard of Alec prior to this event.
A-Logging is extremely discouraged for a good reason, you know. Getting mad on the Internet only turns you into a lolcow yourself.

I like to think most people here have the better sense to keep their autistic thoughts to themselves or at worst, just to other kiwis.
 
Maybe the reason no one mentions it is because there has been no indicator that drugs were involved in this situation, did you think of that you power leveling sperg?


I know I'm a relatively new member just like you, but come the fuck on, you can't be that fucking exceptional .

We don't tell people to off themselves. We don't even fucking encourage it. Where did you get that idea from? The people who say we have a body count? :wow:
I mean I suggested it would be karmatic justice if she jumped off a cliff into a shallow puddle and I've definitely seen people say similar things, but that's usually the worst of it. Never an outright "hey go kill yourself"

That being said, I don't think it's fair to compare that to accusations with no evidence causing everyone you know and love to abandon you and that drives you to suicide.

The idea though that the farmers shouldn't care about this just because they didn't know Alec or that it's got something to do with gamergate resurfacing is exceptional. The farmers aren't monsters, we're individuals who have different reasons to be angry about it. Some don't care and that's their perogative.

tbh, the guy is just showing that he's more assmad about this than any of us here so far. GG
 
Okay, so I've been trying to find a way to articulate this for a bit now following that screed from Benson. Let's see how badly I screw it up. The TL;DR: Even taking these people at face value, Alec's worst crime was being more normie than these lazy, entitled fucks.

Anybody here familiar with the "reader bonus" in American Psycho, the actual words-on-paper version of it? As you go through the novel and are presented with this parade of disgustingly rich people, they're all wearing things with hoity-toity labels, haute coutre from the most expensive clothing artists. For those unfamiliar with the labels and outfits referenced, it's just "okay these people are rich fucks". For those who are familiar with the labels though... everybody's dressed like fucking clowns, in a mismatched riot of clashing colors and fabrics and cuts. It's a stealth expression of the insanity of the whole thing, but you'd only get it if either you know the stuff being referenced or somebody who does tells you about it.

The whole situation is like that, except the "reader bonus" is for functional people who have actually worked real jobs and had real human-people relationships.

You can distill Zoe's story pretty easily: the bitch bought a one-way ticket to go visit Alec and then hurled all responsibility for her return trip on him (a common theme among all these "victims": resentment for his success and wanting him to foot the bill/do the work for everything seems to be the norm). They did some sex stuff and, as oftentimes happens when you mix young people, sex, booze, and whateverthefuck else, some of it was dumb. Zoe, in her low animal cunning, mentioned a rape at the beginning of her narrative but said it was somebody else and only mentioned it to tar Alec with that brush; the worst she actually came up with was a, uh, hamfisted attempt at some domination play, to which she notes that it hurt but she didn't say was non-consensual (theory: she only mentioned this specific incident because it drips with "Grab her by the pussy" and she's writing for a set that devoutly believes in Orange Man Bad).

So, all-in-all, Zoe imposed herself on Alec's life, made him responsible for her shitty planning/lack of finances, and he was a bad lay who maybe yelled at her (gee, if somebody just showed up and made me responsible for them I might be a little ticked too). And yet everybody's fixated on "sexual assault" here, even those skeptical of Blowy Zoe, because she focused people in that direction at the beginning of the narrative. Of course nobody went to the police or would go to the police, because nothing fucking happened that requires a court of law to deal with it. They had bad sexual experimentation, so fucking what, can we move on now?

Let's gloss over the small cluster of ghouls gnawing at his corpse. All their vague-posting amounts to "he was mean to me". Guess what, bitches, it's not illegal to be mean, especially to fame-whore harridans who think a dude having one successful game (at the point this was going on with most of them) means he has to cater to your stupid whims and indulge your ideas of not actually working to produce work, which is what these chicks are from what I gathered. He'd try and mentor them and they'd disappoint him, but obviously that makes him the villain here and not these layabouts who are horrified to discover that he wasn't going to do everything for them.

Let's go now to Scott Benson, because he did a sizable wall of text. I won't dive too deeply here, as others already have, but we can see the pattern of reality-deficient nincompoopery from the author here too. Given thousands of words to make his case, the worst Scott could come up with is that Alec lost his patience with a couple of layabout "idea people" who took seven iterations to nail down something actually feasible. Alec's great crimes included having a work ethic, god forbid, and thinking that could raise your social and financial standing, of all things (he was wrong about social, at least in this lazier-than-thou crowd). Oh no, we have seven hour work days and he wanted people to maybe put in time on the weekends as deadlines loomed and a product needed to get shipped.

Note what happened when Passive-Aggressive McDangerGlasses -- too chickenshit and confrontation-averse to even attempt to address it like an adult -- made her callout Twitter and he discovered it: he apologized, said he would do better, and went about trying to improve himself. He didn't come at them with a machete or throw an entire library of books at them, screaming. This monster-in-human-skin immediately begged forgiveness and attempted to adjust. Man, what a psycho, right?

Yes, as Alec came apart he started going down the route of suicide-baiting (which, really, just means he adjusted more and more to the people around him; look how many of them do it at the drop of a hat). Yes, he did have anger management problems. But these assholes going on and on about how maligned they are because the guy had basic expectations that they couldn't and wouldn't live up to, expectations that for fucking normies in other industries are extravagantly lax, is just too goddamn much.

That's what bugs me. They cancelled this guy for the crime of wanting these people to act like fucking adults and then for their own insecure mentalities rubbing off on him and making him as bugnuts as they are. They couldn't even lie about this convincingly, as their own narratives tell us this; they're just that insulated in their bubble of shitty work ethics and leeching off others that they don't realize how this looks. The whole goddamn thing is a parable to make Ayn Rand gush like the Niagara Falls, of a dude surrounded by parasites who bled him out to literal death.

So remember kids: Indie gaming scene, not even once.
 
Users on this site are constantly telling people to kill themselves
Please show me an active user on the Farms that mounted a campaign of public, baseless rape accusations that resulted in the accused committing suicide. I guarantee that person would've been banned so fast bystanders would've gotten whiplash, and that's not assuming they wouldn't have been doxed so hard their colonoscopy results became public knowledge. Fuck off with your false moral equivalencies.

most of the people mad at this never even heard of Alec prior to this event
Why does this matter? Millions of people didn't know anyone killed in 9/11 and were still horrified by it. That's called empathy.

One thing I don't see mentioned a lot in these threads are how many hard drugs are abused in both large companies and small indie studios. I occasionally do contract work for companies in Northern and Southern California and so many people I meet are on adderall or abuses cocaine regularly. People don't realize how bad that stuff is for you if it is used constantly, especially if you are over 30. It can make you very paranoid and have very bad long last effects.
Okay, Helen Lovejoy.
 
And of course if you follow Kate down her rabbit hole you see that she doesn't really give a shit that Alec died.
But judging from what I see rooting through ZQ's asspats I get the idea they all completely knew that he would off himself.
I strongly suspect that Katey first brought out the Alec thing and Chelsea pounced on it.
But I could have that bass ackwards..
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"Public callouts are complex and risky but can be valuable, because power imbalances suck."
I guess that's one way to say that public callouts are ultimately meaningless and are only valuable to the accuser. :tomgirl:
 
"Public callouts are complex and risky but can be valuable, because power imbalances suck."
I guess that's one way to say that public callouts are ultimately meaningless and are only valuable to the accuser. :tomgirl:
Power imbalances. She couldn't have gone to the police. Alec has them all in his pocket. He runs this town.
 
Yeah, looking through her "tweets and replies" she was definitely joining an already established team IMO....
Her and Kateysperg sure seem to love one another's exceptionality....

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So I heard Scott edited his post after my TL;DR breakdown. Funny thing is if you read this thread earlier shortly after Scotts post is linked other people comment on the 7 hours a day work ethic.

I read through this whole tome of an attempt to PR his friends suicide. Well this should give us an answer to the PR tactic they are gonna use... Double down and believe the REAL victims.

I'm gonna give a TL;DR break down of what stuck out to me, but if you don't read it These two quotes are the only take away you should have from this self centered shit bag trying to make it sound like he was in an abusive relationship with Alec too because Alec was too mean and he was working grueling 7 hour days that lead to him having PTSD and becoming an abuse victim.
-I survived Alec Holowka.
-Alec is gone. What he did to people remains.

So this reads as if he is reading everything people are writing and trying to respond back. The thing that sticks out most is he is trying to claim more credit on stuff he did for the game, as it is seen Alec is the guy who coded, wrote the score for, wrote most of the game, etc.
-"In June of 2013 I was a typical struggling freelance animator, designer, and artist. Alec saw my tweets, which he thought were funny ..."
-Alec offers to collab on a project
-"I was a 32 year old artist who had struggled to make a living since I was 18."
-"we messed around with some uninspired ideas for a few months, then one night I wrote the basic ideas that came to be Night In The Woods, and Alec liked them."
-"Alec trusted me with a lot of creative decisions on the game. This terrified me, as I had never ever made a game before. "
-"I pitched him on a central mechanic and story, and we pulled it off in maybe 10 days, if I remember correctly. It became the first real installment of the Night In The Woods project. "

32 and still struggling to make a living should tell you what kind of guy we are dealing with (especially later when he talks about those super hard 7 hour days). Alec, a self made developer who seems like he may be a little bit on the tism spectrum likes this guys animation and offers him a chance to be an adult. Scott shows contempt for the freedom Alec gives him to do his job, but seems to be guiding him with the broad strokes. Scott then tries to make it sound like Night in the Woods is 100% his brain child and he 100% created all the mechanics of the game that were coded in.

If you ever worked with the asshole like this before, he's the guy that claims he helped create that new car design because he suggested changing the color or the prototype.

-"When he suggested a kickstarter, I thought it would fail miserably, and then it didn’t. "
-"I was a full time game developer with a legal requirement to deliver a game with someone I barely knew. "
-"Alec suggested we take 6 months to make a prototype of the game. "
-"we’d made a quick not very good demo that we showed off at GDC. Our publisher Finji, who we’d hooked up with shortly after the kickstarter, got us invited to E3 that year. "

More Scott whining about having responsibility and being scared. However this is the equivalent of a master craftsman taking you on as an apprentice. Rather than focus of Alec teaching someone who never made a game before how to Finance, prototype, secure further finance, and network through Cons, all Scott focuses on is how scary everything is.

-"That fall, a little over a year into NITW development, Alec’s behavior began to become more erratic.
-"As a fellow meds-taker I knew what skipping doses might do to your headspace and moods. "
-"The work snapped Alec out of his funk. He would talk then about how he didn’t need work/life balance, that work WAS his life. "
-"I told him I’d sort of lost that mindset when it was imposed on me by jobs I’d previously had. “Oh god, I had a job once”, Alec said. “That was the worst 3 weeks of my life.” I laughed. He explained to me that he wasn’t kidding. I said ok. "

We see Alec is hard to work with a bit. Moody. Angry. Demanding. Ya know, basically your standard issue boss/co worker, but at least he takes meds for it. We also learn why Alec believed he lost too much after he was accused. When Scott jokes (but not really) about what a lazy fuck he is, Alec opens up about how he can't stand working under someone else and doesn't pick up on the social cue that Scott was joking and he is being serious and opening up.

-"Alec would say things like this sometimes. He’d talk about how he didn’t care about money, didn’t understand why people who didn’t like their jobs just didn’t leave them. He was baffled that more people weren’t quitting their jobs and following their dreams. After all, one could make lots of money if they just made a good game. At the time I felt like his downer know-it-all of a coworker, constantly telling him that this just wasn’t the way the world works. Bethany and I got it into our heads during this time that Alec had grown up in a mansion or something. But he hadn’t. He was just a guy who was clueless about the world who had gotten rich young. "

And this is why I think Alec might have had Aspergers. Scott comes off as resenting Alec for having a 'get off your ass and do it' attitude. I know Alec was a lefty, but he comes off as an Atlas Shrugged Rand fag. Scott's role becomes a bit clearer, he was Alec's autism whisperer. He explained the shit that Alec didn't get social cue with to him, and animated (who knows wtf Beth did). It also seems like Alec wasn't very sensitive to peoples excuses because he had a fucked up up bringing to and became successful.

-In 2015 more mood crazy shit and eventually seeks professional help on his own will.
-Blamed others for his actions, threatened suicide, etc. (how convenient)
-"Soon after GDC, Alec was asked to leave the place he’d been staying in Vancouver. People didn’t feel safe around him anymore. " (More why I think he had Aspergers)
-"He eventually made his way back to Winnipeg where his family could help him. He’d been burning every possible bridge it seemed, or at least from what I could tell from my distant vantage point. He seemed unwell. He disappeared for long stretches. He stopped working on Night In The Woods altogether. When we talked he’d barely say anything, or suddenly get extremely angry. At me, at the world, at an ex girlfriend, at his former housemates, at anything. "
-"The guy I’d met in 2013 had transformed into this nightmare to be around. Just pure toxicity. "
-More me me me shit about how Alec wasn't there to hold his hand while he was having a psychotic break

If we take what was said before about work driving Alec mental, it looks like Alec snapped. He went home to what seems to be only his sister who seems to hate him. It seems the work he put in before securing the publisher and funding broke him, his social akwardness and iritability ruined some relationships at the time, etc. All Scott can think about is how inconvienent Alecs mental destruction is for him.

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"I redesigned the entire game in full about 7 times that year, trying each time to get Alec excited about working on it. He’d look at a plan and say “that looks too difficult” or “whatever” and I’d redesign it again. My amateur game design notebook scribbles from back then are very funny to look at now. "
-"Muh panic attacks got worse. I had always thought that panic attacks were just feeling overwhelmed, but it turns out they’re physical things" (oh poor baby)
-"I’d stopped taking responsibility for Alec as a person, and started taking responsibility for the game, for making our team function."
-"I had a hard time saying the word “abuse” then. Still do, a bit. I’ll talk about my hatred of capitalism or the faith I grew up with "

YUP EVERYONE, THIS IS WHERE HE BEGINS TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO HE TECHNICALLY IS AN ABUSE VICTIM! Scott also tries to make it sound like he stepped up and finally filled the role of leader, when he was the partner from day 1 and should of been filling in when his co creator was dropping the ball. I also love how Scott continues to try and suck up more credit beyond animator and idea guy where he redesigned the entire game 7 times and Alec shot it down and was mean and didn't listen.
HEY exceptional individual, YOU'RE THE FUCKING ANIMATOR! While redesigning the game 7 times (I like to imagine he pitched it as changing it to an FPS, then a 2d fighting game, then a 3d fighting game, then an MMO RPG, then a Diablo style ARG, then a puzzle game, and finally a completely text based musicless html novel about depression) seems like work to Scott 'I work greuling 7 hour shifts' Benson, to a person who isn't a lazy exceptional fuck its 7 times of multiple hours wasted humoring someone who has no idea wtf they are talking about and is flinging shit at a wall hoping something sticks and they can justify being seen as important. Scott doesn't get he's wasting the time of someone worked too thin and takes it as Alec being a meanie who gave him "muh anxiety attacks"


-"Right around then something happened that was in hindsight miraculous. We’d later joke it was a Christmas miracle. Bethany had had it with Alec. One morning she created a private twitter account to vent to some friends about it. She did not hold back. Over a couple dozen tweets she laid out, emphatically, how much Alec was ruining our lives. How he was cruel to me, and how I had needed to step up and do most of the work, and how Alec was this, and that, etc. Afterward having vented, she took a walk. I woke up not long after to a Slack message from Alec. There was a screenshot of her tweets with his message: “OK.”

Bethany had forgotten to make her private account private. In her tweets she’d mentioned another game he’d been working on and I guess he had a google alert notification thing set up for it, so he was immediately alerted to this 3 follower account that was yelling about him. I panicked, called Bethany asking her what the fuck happened, jumped in the car with no shoes on, and floored it across the neighborhood to pick her up. I thought I might actually have a heart attack and die right there. My heart had been feeling weird lately. It fluttered and pumped weird. This plus the overwork led to health issues down the line. Bethany deleted the account. Bekah and Adam talked to Alec. Within a few days he… changed"

I don't know how Scott wrote this and thought it was a good idea. What he's admitting here is Beth and Scott never directly address problems to Alec. What they do instead is talk behind his back. The moment Scott has to step up because his co-worker has mentally broke, all Scott did was cry to Beth that he was working too hard (those grueling 7 hour days), then Alec sees the passive aggressive snark and hate toward him and his shitty behavior.
BUT HERE IS THE KICKER. Rather than yell at everyone, replace the team who is dead without him, and tell them to eat shit Alec accepts the criticism and takes action to correct it. If he was willing to make a change this sudden it means they NEVER even tried to address the issues to him before and he was accomidating.


-The game releases. Muh panic attacks, but things are fine
-"I’d been gently encouraging him to reach out and make amends with people he’d hurt during his bad years." (I wonder if this fucked him in the long run)
-"Over the next year I think I can say I really became friends with Alec. Or rather he’d become my cousin or something."
-"Shortly after at an industry event Bethany and I met up with some friends we rarely see for dinner. They asked me about the game launch, and how it felt now. Almost without warning, without me even knowing it happened, I broke down completely and told them the whole story of the past few years. "

Holy shit, you had a rich game dev FIND YOU and pull you out of poverty and teach you the basics on how to create a business from the ground up, he changes uncomfortable behavior because he accidently sees what you never had the balls to tell him, you have a successful game launch that changes you from 30 something who never had a stable living to indie game co creator success story, you call this man your friends, NAY YOUR COUSIN, and when a friend you hadn't seen in a while asks you how does it feel to finally come up in the world and be successful you take a moment to shit all over the guy who got you there cause he made you work a little too hard or might of not liked your ideas a little too much or had a medical issues that inconvienenced you? Get raped you wanna be #MeToo victim faggot, pop 30 Xanax with a bottle of champaign at a gaybar and have the greatest panic attack you can, maybe someone will rape your corpse and you will be the beautiful victim you always wished you were.

-"We’d decided not to work with Alec again back in 2015."
-"I warned friends who asked me back then not to work with him."
-"I confided in a small group of people what was happening to me, to Bethany."
-"The woman who cuts my hair was in roller derby and she also offered to kick his ass. " HOLY SHIT I CAN FEEL THE SOY FLOW FROM THAT
-"A lot of local friends were ready to throw down. Good friends offer to throw down."

So after he changes, the game is finished and he is like a cousin to you and changed your life forever you bad mouth him so bad PEOPLE WANT TO PHYSICALLY BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM? WTF is wrong with you Scott?

- More poor me faggotry
-"I’ve spent the last week tracking down and talking to people close to Alec, people who knew him years ago, people who knew him now. It’s shocking how many of us had eerily similar experiences."

I wouldn't be surprised if Alec was a moody dick to work with who could be an angry asshole. So was Steve Jobs. No where do you describe sexual abuse. No where do you describe physical abuse. You describe a guy who expected you to know what you were doing and let you have at it, told you bluntly when your work sucked, and expected you to be competent enough to take over if he was sick. He was open about his mental issues. Rather than leave, you chose to stay because who he taught you was worth the bad you put up with which you could of not put up with if you had the balls to tell him directly like a fucking man.

-"Allegations about Alec’s behavior from right before we knew him came out last week. They were backed up by other people I trust, people who were around at the time. Suddenly a lot of what Alec said back then about his exes, his bile about the subject, back when I barely knew him, made sense. "

Wait, but I thought he was a different person now?

-"This is how he could entrap multiple women over the years and still think they were all out to get him. "
-"When I’ve talked to people this week a thing that’s been common was his threats to commit suicide if someone didn’t do what he wanted. If someone held him responsible for his actions. " (LOL ZOE IS ON FB DM'S DOING THAT TOO LOL)
-"After a lot of very hard thinking and checking up we announced that we had cut ties with Alec. Some folks reported this as us “firing” Alec, when there was nothing to fire him from. Infinite Fall isn’t a company."

Holy shit, this exceptional individual doesn't understand how his own fucking buisness arangement works. I also find it funny that the theme of Alec reaching out and offering opportunity is "entrapment" because when he starts trying to give advice how to better themselves and gets mad at their shitty behavior or in ability to meet goals he set for them he no longer wants to deal with them. Sure there is also the threatening with suicide all the time. Alec was a mentally ill asshole, but you knew this was the price of admission and you are in no way unable to just walk away at any time, you just didn't want to cause then you don't get your reward you were sticking around for.

-I want to give the guy credit for the ways he did change, at least as far as I could see. I want to say he was a brilliant developer and musician. After his 2015 absence he never quite considered Night In The Woods to be “his” game.

Wow, you are trying to steal credit from the dead. What a douche. Seems like Alec never considered it "his" game either, it's why he made you co-creator and expected you to step in his role when he was unable to physically do his job.

-"While I praise Alec’s work, consider this- people left the industry because of what he did. "

Judging by the amount of shovelware in the indie scene and the garbage people that seem to roam in these weird cliques and orbit people with actual tallent, not enough people have left. You aren't entitled to a place in the industry just cause you really really like video games

-"People developed PTSD. "

Dear diary, today the autistic coder who pulled me out of obscurity from my life of minimum wage living pulled me on a project, taught me how to get funding, taught me how to set project mile stones, gave me freedom to do what I want in my role, named me co creator, showed me how to secure further funding via confrences, but he shot down 7 of my ideas to scrap the game entirely for new redesigns and was mean to me and makes me work grueling 7 hour days. I HAVE PTSD NOW. GIVE ME XANAX PLEASE! SO TRAUMATIC.

-"Alec had prestige and money. He had what seemed to be a ticket to making your game dev dreams come true. "

And he shared that with you, even if you were unwilling to take notes or be greatful

-"He had a long pattern of picking someone he was really interested in, immediately suggesting they make a game together, making them dependent on him, and then later abandoning it and them, often in really shitty and harmful ways to add insult to injury."

Given the type of people he seemed to be picking who see 7 hour days as long hard work, I see why he'd ghost them after trying to help and realizing that they thought 3 hour work days and occasionally tweeting was what being a game dev was. Even if he ghosted people who put their hopes too high on him, whose fault is that?

-"Childish. Abusive. And when he didn’t get what he wanted, he dropped them and their game dev dreams by the wayside on his way to find someone else. "

Huh, it's almost like he expected people in a partnership with him to deliver results. kinda like it was a business

-"Because you depend on them. Because they hold control on some aspect of your life. Because you’ve just been beaten down into silence. "

No, you chose to depend on him. He is not responsible for your well being, much like you reminded everyone again and again that you were not responsible for his mental health (ahhhh, I see what you did there. Keep telling your self the bloods not on your hands)

-"I cared a lot about Alec, despite all this. But covering for and enabling the harm someone does to the people around them isn’t caring for them. Sometimes nothing turns out well. Sometime everything’s fucked. Sometimes every outcome is bad. "

Yeah, like a guy who mentored you and changed your life getting stabbed in the back for it and you shaming him to his suicide which you knew he would be prone to if he ever lost the means of being able to be an independent game creator and be forced to work under someone elses thumb for less than he was worth.

He tries to make it sound like it technically wasn't a firing. He technically is right, it was a partnership and he seems to not even have an understanding of how a company partnership even works. He probably has no clue how the fuck his paychecks for the game work. Let that sink in. The fact this fat lazy exceptional individual doesn't understand how his own co-ownership business works means Alec was even doing THAT for him too.
This lazy exceptional individual who cried over the horror of being forced into working 7 hours in a single day and tries to steal as much credit anywhere he can (probably cause its getting to him people are saying Alec did everything and outs him as the Hack he is)

And after admitting he was a changed man, cause he was an asshole with mental issues that he never addressed because none of you had the balls to tell him to address his issues and the ONE time you accidentally did tell him, he made the change wasn't even good enough for you. Because he held people hostage by offering opportunity, and abused them by telling them when they were fucking up, and its his fault people chose to put all their eggs in his basket without any binding contract.

I can see how him pulling you out of you low 32 years of non accomplishment & poverty, out of no where to teach you how to make a videogame from the ground up and hold you hostage with the promise of money and a finished product that changed your life, put so much faith and responsibility on you he feels you can handle 7 hour work days while he is hospitalized from working so much he has a psychotic break you would get PTSD and be a #MeToo survivor of the terror of Alec.

I for one look forward to the next game Scott is going to get funding for and create. I am sure it will be really good since he is so tallented and skilled and such a hard worker who gave it his all and pulled the slack when lazy abusive mean assholes like Alec were off having vacation at the local mental hospital.

What a self centered worthless prick. Scott is honestly lower than Zoe in my eyes. Zoe is just an attention seeker who doesn't think shit through and is kinda vindictive and shitty. Scott stabbed the man who mentored him in the back, bad mouthed him before his body was cold, and called the mentorship where he had his life changed "entrapment"

Yeah, my employer entraps #MeToo with a 401k, a paycheck and multiple ensurance policies. I'm basically a sexual assault survivor.

Oh hi Scot you worthless fat fuck with no future who drove the only person who ever saw value into to kill himself because they were a little mean to you and expected you to work those super hard 7 hour days. Glad to see not only did you read what I wrote, but shitting on you so hard for your shit worth ethic got to you so much you went and edited it it to now say 7 days a week.

Gotta ask, why keep the 7? Why not change the shift hours? Much less to edit and we know what a lazy fat worthless fuck you are, its why you struggled to survive until Alec (the guy you drove to suicide) pulled you out of your 32 years of being worthless and poor and taught you how to make a videogame. Sure now its 7 days a week, but if you are working 3 hours 7 days a week you still look like a fat lazy bitch. I don't think you made a mistake talking about working 7 hour days, that was very specifically worded to emphasize the hours of sacrafice, not the days a week you were working. I would of just listed the total hours in the week. There is a reason people talk about 60 and 80 hour work weeks, cause it doesn't matter how you break that up, they are still brutal. Then again I work a real job for a living.

Anyways, man you sure got the best of me and made me look dumb. I'm sure no one will believe me now when I rag on you for thinking 7 hours a day is a long work day. It would sure be a shame if some asshole on here had an archive from when you first spewed your garbage rant with the exact quote at the 60% mark......


"Over the next year I think I can say I really became friends with Alec. Or rather he’d become my cousin or something. He visited again in september of 2016 and we played through an almost completed version of the game. We (eventually) got a release date lined up. I hadn’t stopped working those 7 hour days since 2015. In the past couple years I’ve talked a lot about how the release went. It was pretty intense. A member of my family attempted suicide the week before. I passed out on the kitchen floor because I hadn’t been sleeping and woke up with a headwound. I was having panic attacks constantly. Alec was extremely chill through the whole thing. "

Can't wait for your next game Scott. I'm sure you have talented coder/designer/writer/musician's lining up with a guy who admittedly is a passive agressive lazy shit bag who sells out his business partners and trying to redesign full games even if all he is is a writer/animator. Or are you gonna try and sell Comics of your old IP with Alec because making videogames/Music is too hard and you really are the TRUE AND HONEST creator of NITW.

Helpful tip: Practice these words with Bethany. "Would you like fries with that Xir?" It will help you when NITW money runs dry.

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You'd think that Zoe, the creator of a game called Depression Quest, with some people claiming it to be educational and with money going to a suicide prevention organization, would make sure that what they say online wouldn't put anyone into a position of wanting to kill themselves.
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Honestly, I wonder how she is keeping her 501 c3 status or how her board hasn't ousted her out of the organization.

 
So I heard Scott edited his post after my TL;DR breakdown. Funny thing is if you read this thread earlier shortly after Scotts post is linked other people comment on the 7 hours a day work ethic.



Oh hi Scot you worthless fat fuck with no future who drove the only person who ever saw value into to kill himself because they were a little mean to you and expected you to work those super hard 7 hour days. Glad to see not only did you read what I wrote, but shitting on you so hard for your shit worth ethic got to you so much you went and edited it it to now say 7 days a week.

Gotta ask, why keep the 7? Why not change the shift hours? Much less to edit and we know what a lazy fat worthless fuck you are, its why you struggled to survive until Alec (the guy you drove to suicide) pulled you out of your 32 years of being worthless and poor and taught you how to make a videogame. Sure now its 7 days a week, but if you are working 3 hours 7 days a week you still look like a fat lazy bitch. I don't think you made a mistake talking about working 7 hour days, that was very specifically worded to emphasize the hours of sacrafice, not the days a week you were working. I would of just listed the total hours in the week. There is a reason people talk about 60 and 80 hour work weeks, cause it doesn't matter how you break that up, they are still brutal. Then again I work a real job for a living.

Anyways, man you sure got the best of me and made me look dumb. I'm sure no one will believe me now when I rag on you for thinking 7 hours a day is a long work day. It would sure be a shame if some asshole on here had an archive from when you first spewed your garbage rant with the exact quote at the 60% mark......


"Over the next year I think I can say I really became friends with Alec. Or rather he’d become my cousin or something. He visited again in september of 2016 and we played through an almost completed version of the game. We (eventually) got a release date lined up. I hadn’t stopped working those 7 hour days since 2015. In the past couple years I’ve talked a lot about how the release went. It was pretty intense. A member of my family attempted suicide the week before. I passed out on the kitchen floor because I hadn’t been sleeping and woke up with a headwound. I was having panic attacks constantly. Alec was extremely chill through the whole thing. "

Can't wait for your next game Scott. I'm sure you have talented coder/designer/writer/musician's lining up with a guy who admittedly is a passive agressive lazy shit bag who sells out his business partners and trying to redesign full games even if all he is is a writer/animator. Or are you gonna try and sell Comics of your old IP with Alec because making videogames/Music is too hard and you really are the TRUE AND HONEST creator of NITW.

Helpful tip: Practice these words with Bethany. "Would you like fries with that Xir?" It will help you when NITW money runs dry.

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QUOTE="buymygame, post: 5279699, member: 16639"]
You'd think that Zoe, the creator of a game called Depression Quest, with some people claiming it to be educational and with money going to a suicide prevention organization, would make sure that what they say online wouldn't put anyone into a position of wanting to kill themselves.

Honestly, I wonder how she is keeping her 501 c3 status or how her board hasn't ousted her out of the organization.


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If Scott is reading this, I want you to know that it's not just us who think you're a piece of shit, it's the majority of fans who think you're a real shithead.

I went into my PS4 community to see people leaving comments like, "I'm not proud of the merch I own. I'm deleting the game, the dev's are trash"

As someone else said in the thread,

You were nothing before Alec, you will be nothing after him.
 
If Scott is reading this, I want you to know that it's not just us who think you're a piece of shit, it's the majority of fans who think you're a real shithead.

I went into my PS4 community to see people leaving comments like, "I'm not proud of the merch I own. I'm deleting the game, the dev's are trash"

As someone else said in the thread,

You were nothing before Alec, you will be nothing after him.
The Steam reviews are absolute magic, too. You'd think from a glance that it's like Ion Fury, with the thumbs up and thumbs down being opposed to each other, but it's just the opposite. Both the positive and negative reviews give respects to Alec's death. The difference is that the positive reviews want the game to be a monument to his talent, while the negative ones want the game to burn like a funeral pyre so that Scott doesn't get a fucking penny.

But both sides agree that Zoe Quinn can eat shit. It's beautiful.
 
The Steam reviews are absolute magic, too. You'd think from a glance that it's like Ion Fury, with the thumbs up and thumbs down being opposed to each other, but it's just the opposite. Both the positive and negative reviews give respects to Alec's death. The difference is that the positive reviews want the game to be a monument to his talent, while the negative ones want the game to burn like a funeral pyre so that Scott doesn't get a fucking penny.

But both sides agree that Zoe Quinn can eat shit. It's beautiful.
Oddly poetic and beautiful in a slightly autistic kind of way.
 
More of Katey and Chelsea cyber-scissoring.
Last one crops off before Chelsea says "I sat there and cried after that" and that thread ends.
-Makes me wonder who "Matt" is.
-Apparently there was a lot of group hugs going on. Now that the Almighty Zoe was prepared to galvanize the team into a #MeToo Fox Force Five Guys.
I also take back my earlier statement, Chelsea was definitely before Kateh, Kateh just got massive #MeToo points from Chelsea because she could provide a receipt of having bitched about Alec waaaaay back in 2017 oh so long ago....all this back and forth comes after Chelsea retweets the Brave and Cunning Katey May's echochambery..
as you can see.

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Gotta ask, why keep the 7? Why not change the shift hours?
It's obvious that he's only using it as a way to paint Alec in a negative light. No sane person would ever think 7 hours of work a day on an indie game is difficult to manage. Hell, I bet he even slacked off in those given 7 hours. Maybe that explains why Alec was so "mean and tough" to him. If a man of his "talent" couldn't handle 7 hours of general work then I wonder if he could even handle 3 hours of work.

I don't think you made a mistake talking about working 7 hour days, that was very specifically worded to emphasize the hours of sacrifice, not the days a week you were working. I would of just listed the total hours in the week.
That's a really good point actually. From what I can recall from reading it, he doesn't mention the amount of hours per week. Let alone how many days he worked per week. He only mentions the amount of hours per day and then vaguely says that he's done it throughout the development time of NITW. It really makes you wonder if he intentionally left this detail out for the sake of the narrative or not.
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That's a really good point actually. From what I can recall from reading it, he doesn't mention the amount of hours per week. Let alone how many days he worked per week. He only mentions the amount of hours per day and then vaguely says that he's done it throughout the development time of NITW. It really makes you wonder if he intentionally left this detail out for the sake of the narrative or not.
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When you put it like that, it really activates the ol almonds. This fatfuck probably thinks Alec was hard to work with because fatfuckScott didn't even want to work most days. Probably because of muh panikk ettecks. And that reminds me of something else Scott said.

He "redesigned" the game a bunch of times trying to "get Alec excited". I bet you anything that Scott was using this as a way to slack off even further and I bet that made Alec explode on him or just call him a fat loser with no initiative to do shit on his own.
 
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