Infected MAP/NOMAP community - "Virtuous Pedophiles" has a prodigy

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What I don't get -- if you're "NoMAP", then why, oh WHY, aren't you fucking getting help? Like, you don't want to contact children, or molest them, so why wouldn't you go and seek therapy
In some areas, there is mandated reporting to law enforcement even if there isn't evidence of a crime, or mandatory law enforcement investigations. In other areas even where this is not the case, a belief of mandated law enforcement involvement may exist. The social stigma, combined with a fear of potential mandatory law enforcement involvement deters people from getting help. When you seek help, you are classed as offending until proven otherwise.

Far more people get help when they are guaranteed confidentiality and they are aware reporting is not mandated if there is no evidence or admission to any crime. This is seen in Germany's project Dunkelfield, which is an anti pedophillia therapy initiative designed for people suffering from pedophillia who truly wish to be free of their urges without offending. Germany is allowed to have such a program for two key reasons, that reporting is not mandatory unless there is evidence of a crime (pedophillia in and of itself is not sufficient evidence) and that they have some of the toughest medical confidentiality laws in the world.
 
I seriously think a more serious investigation into @Spacecartkink https://twitter.com/Spaceycartkink is needed.

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This kid admitted to having at one time CP, and if he is retarded enough to admit that, there may be other things he is able to admit too.

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What I have learned so far is that his birthday is June 15th, 2003 from this screencap of his profile and from him admitting he was 16
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Also know from his curious cat profile that he is black
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But besides that, I couldn't find anymore personal information on him that could lead to his real name.

Also, he wanted to have sex with his grandma's corpse so uhhhh, there's that.

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Early in the thread, I mentioned that there was a NoMAP podcast. They have changed the name to A MAPs Journey.
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More context can be found with the link below.
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Honest question, I'm wondering if anyone here has studied mental health who knows this.

Is there a reason that something like CBT can't help these people? No pun intended, I swear. I actually have wondered for awhile why people act like pedophilia is innate and untreatable. I would assume that frequent thoughts about having sex with children could be treated like any other intrusive thoughts, or that weird ideas about consent could be treated as any other cognitive distortion. I guess I don't understand why a depressed person's brain thinking things like "I'm a worthless, hopeless fuckup who deserves to die" is considered treatable, but pedophilia isn't.

Well, this is assuming they haven't hurt anybody. If they have, they need more than just therapy. But I'm talking in the case of people who say they can't change and it's no different from being straight or gay.
 
So what this org really seems to be about is advocating for the rights of pedophiles and sympathy for them, providing them with access to 'legal child porn', campaigning against legal restrictions intended to stop the spread of CP and child trafficking, and telling the public that most sexual assaults on children aren't committed by pedophiles (!), all under the guise of concern for the right of a child not to be abused and with the air of progressiveness by calling it "sex-positive".
I'm honestly shocked that Paypal actually took this action, they normally only disallow the use of their service by good people. It looks like the organization has simply moved to Stripe.

This Prostasia group is a very 'interesting' organisation. The people organising this group assert they are opposed to fucking toddlers, but have already had to kick out volunteer helpers over their pending charges (while stating "a prior record will not necessarily preclude your engagement with Prostasia"). They're open minded people. Real open minded.

Who should be excluded from child protection?...

Should we exclude people with previous convictions for sexual offences? The easy answer would be yes. We could be a lot more popular if, like groups such as NSPCC, we hurled words like vile, monster, and beast at those who have offended. We prefer to call them human...
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The forum is worth checking out. It turns out they are advertising to people searching for CP- which frankly, I find disgusting. At best they are seeking to reach these people with their soft-on-pedophilia message, at worst they are seeking to build a donation base amongst chomos. It's OK though. They're doing science! If you consider self-reported surveys of people who make cum tributes to anime figurines as to whether they've fucked any kids lately 'science'.
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https://archive.is/NDoxR#selection-1649.0-1687.6

They admit that their stated intentions to conduct research to advocate for the legality of child fuck dolls and child abuse fantasy material have brought them increased funding.

TOTALLY NORMAL PEOPLE
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https://archive.is/Lflr7

Oh, and guess who (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) is a member? It's a certain Mr Joshua Casey.
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And who was he invited to the forum by? A guy who goes by 'terminus'. That's the handle used by Jeremy Malcolm, the founder of the organization.

Their website also contains reviews of various materials attractive to pedophiles and other sexual minorities. At the bottom of one newsletter, an ad for a series of incest novels which evades the horrible censors by adding 'step-' in front of the first few instances of 'daughter' and 'father'. Currently on their website, an advertisement for a screening of a 2017 movie that provides a really nuanced take on the abuse of a 13 year old girl.
among the questions that I found myself asking after watchingButterfly Kisses was, will the young girl who suffered at his hands be traumatized by what happened, or by its aftermath?
A question I have never asked myself, what with not being a pedophile and all.

I'm torn as to what the motivations are for these people. The newsletters may shed a clue. They're San Francisco based and have whinged about things like Craigslist's prostitution ads being forced to be taken down, which suggests they may be motivated solely by Silicon Valley self-interest. I imagine that there are many VC's who would be champing at the bit to finance some VR child sex games to make money off the pedophile market, just as long as it's all legal and they get to keep their profits. Also entirely possible they're just libertarians (pedophiles) of course.
 
Honest question, I'm wondering if anyone here has studied mental health who knows this.

Is there a reason that something like CBT can't help these people? No pun intended, I swear. I actually have wondered for awhile why people act like pedophilia is innate and untreatable. I would assume that frequent thoughts about having sex with children could be treated like any other intrusive thoughts, or that weird ideas about consent could be treated as any other cognitive distortion. I guess I don't understand why a depressed person's brain thinking things like "I'm a worthless, hopeless fuckup who deserves to die" is considered treatable, but pedophilia isn't.

Well, this is assuming they haven't hurt anybody. If they have, they need more than just therapy. But I'm talking in the case of people who say they can't change and it's no different from being straight or gay.
The biggest issue is that for any kind of therapy to work, the patient has to be motivated to change. They have to agree with the therapist to at least try out some changes and see where it goes. They have to want to manage their moods better, or get along better with their spouse, or stop drinking--whatever the purpose is, if they aren't into it, it's just like lecturing a brick wall. And while these pedos may CLAIM they wish they weren't this way, I think for most of them, that's clearly not the case. Especially if they are trying to get us to believe it is a deeply ingrained trait that it's pointless to try to change. They want excuses, not real change and improvement.
 
"Epstein wasn't a pedophile, even though he had a child sex trafficking ring. BTW I'm a pedophile."
You see, this guy isn't like that gross meanie Epstein, who's into nasty shit like young girls with boobs. He's a pedophile.

It makes sense in his world.

Joshua's personal site
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Libertarians. EVERY! SINGLE! TIME!

OK, that aside, I'm jealous that this autistic pedo got to see Neil Peart smash out some killer drum solos and the grandma caterwaul and I didn't and now never will. Fuck that guy.

It's funny that they love this "wrong side of history" crap. Because when the inevitable reaction to stuff like this takes its course, they will be lucky if there is even left any historical record that they ever existed. Look at the difference between how a certain 20th century leader handled promoters of child transexualism and pedophilia like Magnus Hirschfeld, vs. how they dealt with harmless (though cuttingly-witted) lesbians like Gertrude Stein. The former was assaulted and exiled, their books burnt, their acolytes suppressed. The latter was left alone to get on with a normal life.

while these pedos may CLAIM they wish they weren't this way, I think for most of them, that's clearly not the case. Especially if they are trying to get us to believe it is a deeply ingrained trait that it's pointless to try to change. They want excuses, not real change and improvement.
Indeed. These pedos are mostly male. How many of them take the simple step of pursuing a career where they live for long periods of time away from children? Working on an oil rig. Mining. There's options out there, but you still see a lot of these sick bastards talk about working in or aspiring to work in childcare in some manner. How many ensure that their outside pursuits involve as few children as possible? Probably even less.

Their actions prove they are not serious about their professed beliefs.
 
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