Anti-Vax Movement

[Mechanism Eight]

I know a few Anti-Vaxxers, most of them also believe in Healing Crystals, Collodial metals, and psychic powers.

It's a heaping of bullshit on top of itself so deep that it basically spawns more of the people who believe it, despite all of them never passing the bullshit onto future generations.

That's the worst thing about bad ideas. You can't get rid of them or wipe them out. They just are.

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

That's the worst thing about bad ideas. You can't get rid of them or wipe them out. They just are.

Sure you can. You can use education. Explain to the kids how their parents don't know what they are talking about. You can also use the law, make not vaccinating a crime right up there with starving your kids.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

Sure you can. You can use education. Explain to the kids how their parents don't know what they are talking about.

When teachers are saying one thing, and parents another, most of the time children will believe their parents. Not 100% of the time, and I'm sure we can all think of exceptions, but I don't think you can educate away these kinds of beliefs.

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

When teachers are saying one thing, and parents another, most of the time children will believe their parents. Not 100% of the time, and I'm sure we can all think of exceptions, but I don't think you can educate away these kinds of beliefs.

I meant use education on kids old enough to realize their parents aren't all-knowing god-beings. Before that the law needs to step in and remove children from such unsafe homes.

 

[For The Internet]

So there's this book out there called Melanie's Marvelous Measles, written by an Australian anti-vaxer. She firmly believes that not only are the measles not deadly, but in fact they are beneficial and if you believe her book, kids fucking love having them.

If the title seems familiar it's probably because you've either heard of or read Roald Dahl's George's Marvelous Medicine.

Obviously, the author is trying to boost her book by co-opting the title of a well known novel by a beloved children's writer.

The sick part (well, the whole pro-measles thing is sick, but this is REALLY fucked up) is that Roald Dahl's daughter died of the fucking measles at the age of seven. He has spoken out about anti-vaxers and criticised them.

So she ripped off Roald Dahl to promote her specifically pro-measles agenda, knowing his daughter died of the disease.

That is a million levels of fucked up.

Amazon link: amazon.com/Melanies-Marvelous-Measles-Stephanie-Messenger/dp/1466938897

 

[Chuggernaut]

The anti-vax movement has actually made me lose faith in democracy, since these people are allowed to vote. I say bring back a caste system, where you can choose not to vaccinate but then you and your family have to live in the sewer like the fucking Morlocks (X-Men Morlocks, that is) and the only job you can get is sewage grabber.

 

[lurkermouse]

In the middle of Arizona's measles outbreak, the local paper ran a story with the headline "Valley doctor: Don't vaxinate your kids" (beware of the autoplay video). The doctor in question is a cardiologist who treats cardiovascular disease holistically.

There is so much bullshit on his website, apparently all to get him business and to sell expensive supplements. People actually study ancient infectious diseases, and obviously, our ancestors still died from these diseases even though they exclusively ate the magical paleo-diet that Dr. Wolfson goes on about.

How do these people delude themselves into thinking this when there is literally nothing to support them?

To inject a little good news into this thread, Jack Wolfson is being investigated by the Arizona Medical Board. I hope they bar him from practicing medicine a la Andrew Wakefield. Preferably immediately.

I’m really glad my country has a no-nonsense approach to vaccination and the public is well-informed; I hope it stays that way forever. There is no lulz to be had with the anti-vaccination movement, it is a genuine threat to public health and damage has already been done.

 

[Positron]

My mom once complained to me that natural selection was dead in an age where anyone can have as many kids as they want. I think this proves her wrong.

The problem is that those dodo-brained nature's rejects will bring down normal people with their infectious diseases.

Also, I'm baffled by what they think of autism. Sometimes they think it is a fate worse than death; sometimes they think it is the most glorious thing ever, a condition that spearheads human civilization ("Beethoven has autism too, so did Kant and Einstein!") or is literally the next stage of human evolution. So, what is it?

Also, measles itself can rarely results in brain degeneration.

 

[MysticMisty]

Ten years ago, it was against the law to send your kids to public school without being vaccinated. If you could not prove they were up to date on their shots they were kept out of school indefinitely until you either got them vaccinated or made arrangements for them to be home schooled. What the hell happened to that?

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

Ten years ago, it was against the law to send your kids to public school without being vaccinated. If you could not prove they were up to date on their shots they were kept out of school indefinitely until you either got them vaccinated or made arrangements for them to be home schooled. What the hell happened to that?

The anti-vaxers came and convinced the government that their hatred and fear of science and modern medicine overrode your right to live.

The anti-vax movement has actually made me lose faith in democracy, since these people are allowed to vote. I say bring back a caste system, where you can choose not to vaccinate but then you and your family have to live in the sewer like the fucking Morlocks (X-Men Morlocks, that is) and the only job you can get is sewage grabber.

Or re-open a few leper colonies on desert islands in the Pacific and maroon the ant-vaxers on them. I'm sure such smart people with such a deep connection to Jesus/Gaia/Aliens will do just fine without our help.

 

[Soren]

Also, measles itself can rarely results in brain degeneration.

Wikipedia -> Reliable sources -> Scientific articles -> Scientists -> THE ALL-CONTROLLING BIG PHARMA.

No, sir. These are all lies. You shouldn't trust them. Instead, trust the completely honest website that looks like it came from Web 1.0. THEY are the true guardians of knowledge.

 

[Shokew]

Autism > Deadly Disease. The End.

Yeah, I'm just parroting what's just the cold hard truth here. These aren't lolcows - they're scum!

 

[Dudeofteenage]

Ten years ago, it was against the law to send your kids to public school without being vaccinated. If you could not prove they were up to date on their shots they were kept out of school indefinitely until you either got them vaccinated or made arrangements for them to be home schooled. What the hell happened to that?

Presuming you're talking about the USA, it might still be illegal in some jurisdictions. But school regulations are set by county governments, which are especially vulnerable to anti-vaxxer pressure.

 

[Null]

There is so much bullshit on his website, apparently all to get him business and to sell expensive supplements. People actually study ancient infectious diseases, and obviously, our ancestors still died from these diseases even though they exclusively ate the magical paleo-diet that Dr. Wolfson goes on about.

Hahaha I just read this and it makes me literally laugh out loud.

I remember seeing a anthropology documentary that observed what they believed to be the oldest skull of a human ever found. It was something like 50,000 years old and looking at the bone they could see odd scarring on one half of his face. It was determined that this person died from a fungal infection that ate away at him so badly it carved his bones. If that isn't the most painful fucking thing you've ever heard of, I'd like to know what is. I think being set on fire by ISIS would suck less ass.

 

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The newest craze sweeping parenthood: not only killing your own child, but taking down families around you.

The Anti-Vaccine Movement is notable for having a shit ton of ridiculous and ugly websites that try to scare parents into letting their children contract highly treatable and usually deadly diseases. There are a lot of ties to the pro-life and anti-vaccination movements, which usually alleges a ridiculous increase in autism because of modern vaccinations:

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The anti-vaxxers are not limited to fringe websites, unfortunately. There are quite a few users on tumblr, of all sites, that love to talk about the evils of 'unnatural' vaccinations:


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This whole blog is a goldmine on tumblr.

Finally, we have actual books being published for children about why not to vaccinate:

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Discuss.

Here is the book "Melanies Marvelous Measles", Written by Stephanie Messenger

There was one review I loved made by a Michael J Gogulski who destroyed the concept:

Spoiler: Spoiler

3,236 of 3,349 people found the following review helpful
If you enjoyed this book...
By Michael J. Gogulski on January 28, 2015
Format: Paperback
If you enjoyed this book, check out these other fine titles from the same author:

Abby's Absolutely Abundant Abscess
Addie's Adorable Adenoma
Adelia's Addled Alzheimer's
Andys Amazing AIDS
Anne's Incandescent Anorexia
Annette's Astonishing Aneurysm
Annie's Awesome Asthma
Arnie's Artful Addiction
Barack's Baroque Barbiturate Overdose
Barry's Bitchin Beri Beri
Beatrice's Bawdy Bronchitis
Bella's Beloved Bell's Palsy
Bennett's Breathtaking Boil
Bertha's Blossoming Bulimia
Billy's Bodacious Botulism
Bobby's Bitchin Bubonic Plague
Bobby's Bubbling Buboes
Bob's Bodacious Bone Break
Boris's Big Blister
Bradley's Brilliant Bradycardia
Candy's Candid Candida
Carl's Chewy Cancer
Carl's Cool Cauliflower Ear
Carol's Calm Coma
Carol's Colorful Chlamydia
Carol's Copacetic Chlamydia
Carrie's Cavernous Caries
Carrie's Cordial Complications
Christian's Crazy Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome
Chuck's Champion Chickenpox
Clarissa's Classy Klippel-Trénaunay Syndrome
Cole Herb's Heavenly Herpes
Colin's Copacetic Common Cold
Connie's Conquering Conjunctivitis
Cyril's Crunchy Celiac
Danielle's Dainty Dahlberg Borer Newcomer Syndrome
Dan's Dandy Dandy-Walker Malformation with Mental Retardation, Macrocephaly, Myopia, and Brachytelephalangy
Daphne's delicate distention
Dave's Darling Deformity
Diana's Diaphanous Diaphragm Disorder
Dolly's Desirable Death
Dominic's Domineering Dementia
Dorothy's Dominating Discharge
Doug's Daring Dengue
Doug's Delightful Dysentery
Edward's Excellent Eczema
Ellen's Elegant Alopecia
Emma's Exalted Emphysema
Ephraim's Ebullient Ebola
Ferdinand's Fabulous Fractured Femur
Flo's Favorite Flu
Freddie's Fantastic Fibromyalgia
Fred's Fabulous Fracture
Freya's Fabulous Fainting
Freya's Far-out Farber's Lipogranulomatosis
Gary's Gallant Gangrene
Gary's Grand Granulomatosis
George's Gorgeous Gonorrhea
Gloria's Golden Goiter
Greg's Glorious Gout
Hank's Hearty Hemophilia
Hannah's Hysterical Hantavirus
Harlan's Harmonious H1N1
Harry's Handsome Halitosis
Harry's Happy Hernia
Harry's Haughty Hemorrhage
Hilary's Heavenly Hashimoto's Hypothyroidism
Hilary's hilarious hydrocelphallic-myocarinoma!
Hillary's Hilarious HIV
Homer's Humdinger Homicidal Ideation
Ida's Inscrutable Idiopathy
Iggy's Infamous Ischemia
Imogene's Inimitable Immunodeficiency
Inga's Incredible Ingrowth
Irene's Incredible Ichthyoallyeinotoxism
Iris's Irrestiable Itch
Isabel's Interesting Infarction
Jane's Genial Genetic Anomalies
Jayoh's Jumpin' Jaundice
Johnny's Jocular Jock Itch
Kyle's Copacetic Keratoacanthoma
Kyle's Crispy Keloids
Larry's Lordly Laryngitis
Larry's Lovely Lymphoma
Leroy's Lavish Leprosy
Lisa's Lovely Lassa Fever
Lucy's Lucious Lupus
Luke's Lucid Leukemia
Luther's Lucky Lupus
Mal's Mad Malaria
Mandie's Mega Mucus
Manuel's Magnificent Meningitis
Margie's Memorable Mononucleosis
Marie's Miraculous Marburg
Melanie's Mellifluous Malaria
Michael's Mighty Migraine
Mike's Magnificent Mumps
Milo's Marvelous Malignant Mass
Molly's Malignant Melanoma
Ned's Neato Nearsightedness
Nestor's Non-Stop Nystagmus
Nudge's Numinous Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
Oprah's Opulant Oppositional Defiant Disorder
Orrin's Ornamented Ornithosis
Oscar's Awesome Osteoporosis
Pam's Panaroamic Pathology
Pauline's Prescient Parasites
Paul's Pumpin' Priapism
Percy's Perspicacious Pustule
Perry's Peerless Peritonitis
Perry's Precious Porphyria
Peters Perfect Polio
Polly's Polychromatic Polyuria
Polly's Pretty Polyps
Presley's Precious Presbyopia
Priscilla's Precocious Preeclampsia
Prunella's Practically Preventable Prion
Quentin's Quiescent Quarantine
Randy's Roaring Ringworm
Rhea's Really Remarkable Rheumatism
Rhonda's Racing Rheumatism
Ricky's Rockin' Rickets
Robbie's Rad Ass Rabies
Rocco's Raging Rash
Rosie's Rotating Rosacea
Ruth's Radical Rubella
Sally's Serendipitous Sarcoidosis
Sam's Saintly Schizophrenia
Sam's Smart Smallpox
Samuel's Stupendous Sleep-apnea
Sandra's Superb Sickle Cell
Sandy's Salient Sclerosis
Sandy's sensational syphilis
Sarah's Sentient Sarcoma
Sarah's Serene Sarcosinemia
Sarah's Stunning Salmonella
Scott's Scrumptious Scabies
Sir Sergio's Serene Cirrhosis
Spencer's Splendid Sprain
Stanley's Strapping Strongyloidiasis
Susan's Superlative Supraumbilical Midabdominal Raphe and Facial Cavernous Hemangiomas
Tarzan's Transcendant Transitional Cell Carcinoma
Terence's Terrific Teratoma
Terry's Tempting Tinea
Terry's Trippy Tremor
Timmy's Triumphant Tumors
Tipper's Tilltilating tinnitus
Tommy's Terrific Tapeworm
Tonya's Top-Notch Tonsillitis
Tuco's Torrid Toxoplasmosis
Tyrone's Titillating Typhus
Tyrone's Trippindicular Trichotillomania
Vera's Varicolored Varicella
Veronica's Voluminous Vericose Veins
Vivians Voluminous Vaginitis
Waldo's Whooping Warts
Wally's Wicked-Awesome Wart
Wendy's Wonderful War Wound
Whoopie's Whooping Whooping Cough
Willy's Whimsical Weight Gain
Winnie's Wondrous Wandering Spleen
Xavier's Exemplary Exencephaly
Yolanda's Yummy Yersenia

(Thank you to all who have left praise in the comments. This was a team effort of several people including me that played out over several hours on a Facebook comment thread. I've altered my original, fanciful five-star rating to the appropriate one star.)

 

[sparklemilhouse]

There are a lot of ties to the pro-life and anti-vaccination movement

I'm scared my niece is one of those wackadoos because she's obsessively pro life. She has two little kids and I wish I could ask her if she vaccinated them. I'm afraid to know the answer.

 

[AP 297]

Here is Stephanie's Blog:

http://naturematters.info/

From her blog appearently she had a kid who died after getting vaccinated. The Doctor said the kid had a different problem called Alexander Disease.

http://ulf.org/alexander-disease

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/alexander-disease

She blames vaccines rather than the possibility her child was born with a severe genetic defect. She has 4 other books.

Spoiler: Stephanie's Other Books

Sarah Visits a Naturopath,

Vegetarian Muscles,

Don't Bully Billy

Goodbye Grandma

 

[Saney]

Here is Stephanie's Blog:

http://naturematters.info/

From her blog appearently she had a kid who died after getting vaccinated. The Doctor said the kid had a different problem called Alexander Disease.

http://ulf.org/alexander-disease

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/alexander-disease

She blames Vaccines rather than the possibility her child was born with a severe genetic defect. She has 4 other books.

Spoiler: Stephanie's Other Books

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Sarah Visits a Naturopath,
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Vegetarian Muscles,
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Don't Bully Billy
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Goodbye Grandma

Well, if Melanie's Marvellous Measles didn't convince me that she was crazy, then Vegetarian Muscles sure did. That's an oxymoron right there.

 

[Rilakkuma]

This kind of reminds me of the bitching in WWI when British soldiers were required helmets as part of their uniform. The amount of head injuries had increased. But the reason that happened was because more people were surviving to be injured instead of just fucking dying.

So, more on topic, what if an anti-vaxxer contracted rabies? What would they do? Because you have like a 4% survival rate if you don't get the vaccine before you start to show symptoms.

It's a shame they're not just hurting themselves because I wouldn't give a damn otherwise. But innocent people who do get their vaccines are dying over this. Such a shame.

 

[CatParty]

maddox covered this very well on his podcast:
http://thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com/episode-21/

Here’s a link to the CDC Morbidity Rates I cited, as well as the Mother Jones article about the futility of trying to convince anti-vaxxers. And in case you wanted to check yourself, the most affluent neighborhoods are opting out of vaccinations. I guess it doesn’t matter because they can afford coffins. And here’s even more evidence that rich people hate vaccinations. And it’s not just rich people in Los Angeles, it’s rich people in Australia.