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They're not gonna drop the "gimmicks", because they don't have the money to do so. Their devs love them too much too, so I don't think that's happening.

Are you sure about that?

I mean, I can understand not wanting to spend resources on more powerful hardware but if Nintendo is trying to save money, why would they keep implementing gimmicks? Seems like they're wasting more money by doing that.

Nintendo's going with gimmick consoles every generation only because the Wii was able to sell like hotcakes in the late 2000's.

However, a lot has changed since 2007 and Nintendo is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again. That's part of why the Wii U bombed and why Nintendo got into the Ninth Generation of Consoles years before the other two companies were even thinking of doing so.

Even if they don't make a more powerful console for whatever reason, what's to keep them from making a new M-rated first-party franchise? If Nintendo did that (especially since they've dropped a lot of their censorship policies) then I'd be a happy guy and I might throw Sony to the wolves.
 
Are you sure about that?

I mean, I can understand not wanting to spend resources on more powerful hardware but if Nintendo is trying to save money, why would they keep implementing gimmicks? Seems like they're wasting more money by doing that.

Nintendo's going with gimmick consoles every generation only because the Wii was able to sell like hotcakes in the late 2000's.

However, a lot has changed since 2007 and Nintendo is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again. That's part of why the Wii U bombed and why Nintendo got into the Ninth Generation of Consoles years before the other two companies were even thinking of doing so.

Even if they don't make a more powerful console for whatever reason, what's to keep them from making a new M-rated first-party franchise? If Nintendo did that (especially since they've dropped a lot of their censorship policies) then I'd be a happy guy and I might throw Sony to the wolves.

I doubt this is about money or anything like that, I truly believe this is Nintendo's vision and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I decided to dig around for Nintendo's "Core Values" and all the company speak sort of stuff. Here is the main 3 things they cite on Nintendo UK which you can read here: https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Corporate/Career/About-Nintendo/About-Nintendo-825979.html

Uniqueness
Our goal is to constantly redefine entertainment – offering our customers the typical Nintendo experiences with unique and surprising products.

Flexibility
The entertainment market is ever-changing, and Nintendo aims to deliver innovative ways to create fun experiences for everyone.

Sincerity
We aim to be humble – while doing the best job we can. We aim to learn from our experiences in order to improve and evolve.

In short, Nintendo aims for a very differentiation strategy in the broader games market and while that obviously doesn't always work, aka the Wii U, that is their strategy and I don't see them fully changing course unless the Switch fails and they reinvent themselves to try and afford a strike 3. These tenets seems pretty consistent with Nintendo never directly making games for M rated audiences, and aims to reinvent gaming with very questionable decisions like Wii U or Labo. The real big question is what comes after the Switch?

I expect some VR nonsense with a Nintendo twist, now you'll need to literally jump to play a Mario game.
 
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Nintendo's going with gimmick consoles every generation only because the Wii was able to sell like hotcakes in the late 2000's.
I've been enjoying this discussion you guys are having. This bit necessitates a response though.

I think you need to broaden your field of view when talking about Nintendo and so-called gimmicks. To claim that the Wii is the reason that Nintendo will continue to include gimmicky and experimental technology with their hardware does a disservice to your argument. Nintendo has been including weird things in their devices since the very start. Their pre-Famicom systems included a wide range of gameplay customization options that you couldn't get on an Atari or even some arcade cabinets. The Game & Watch device was a very robust line of handheld systems and you can't forget about their grandchild the Game Boy which could have a thread all on its own for how it innovated the gaming scene.

But sticking to consoles, go back to the Famicom and you have a microphone in the P2 controller; and don't forget about our friend the Robotic Operating Buddy or the Zapper or cartridges that were able to save data. Just to stick with that era, consider the Famicom Disk System and how Nintendo sold blank disks that could be written/rewritten at local shops so you could buy new games and write them to your existing equipment. The FDS also boasts an impressive range (for the time) of on-board copy protection, whether you like that or not.

Then we get to the Super Nintendo era and you begin to see a lot of radical changes under the hood. In addition to on-board capabilities like Mode 7, Nintendo begins experimenting with third party chips placed in certain game cartridges to enhance the system hardware beyond its original capabilities. SuperFX is probably the most popular of these and the most recognizable. Oh, I should also mention that the SNES was capable of networked play via the Satellaview attachment. Heck, the Virtual Boy offers functional 3D game play and one of the best pre-analog controllers around. That shit has two d-pads on it and is solid as a rock in a player's hands.

And then we come to the Nintendo 64 which brought us major changes in controller technology, surpassing the improvements made by its predecessors. The analog stick becomes fully realized, features like rumble and force feedback are introduced, and a minagere of attachments for the N64 controller came along from third parties, some good and some not so good. Not to mention the modular memory pack which meant that consumers could upgrade their console if they so desired.

And we're not even at the GameCube yet, which normalized first party wireless controllers. Though I will admit that this system offered more innovation on the programming side of things. Check out this analysis of The Wind Waker to get an idea of the kind of wizardry Nintendo was pulling off just under our noses during that era.

What I am getting at is that Nintendo has a very long history of trying new things and not simply for the sake of being different. As @Zeke Von Genbu kindly shared with us, Nintendo's ethos of innovation and flexibility are underlined by a strong sense of genuine effort. This does not mean that every effort is successful. But there has been an effort for quite a long time, not just since the Wii era.

Thank you.
 
I do like Nintendo, but I can't stand the hardcore fans that screech if you like other consoles. I love the Switch due to it has a robust library of games I enjoy, mainly Indies. I had a Wii U, but I couldn't find any games I enjoyed on it save for Donkey Kong Returns: Tropical Freeze and Soup Mary-Oh Maker. I do wanna get Tropical Freeze on the Switch, but I have a huge backlog of games I need to play and finish.

I am indifferent to the NES/Super SNES service that comes with online. I kind of wanna see MSX or at least Mega Drive games in the server. Then again, there are collection games like the MegaMan Classic and X collections, Kunio Kun, etc.

Plus, I love how the console is region free. A big step over Wii and Wii U not being Region Free. Importers are happy.
 
Sad, but true.

Shame that Sony's gone woke and PC gaming is expensive as fuck.

Although, they might not lose money dropping the gimmicks and competing with Sony on a more even footing since Microsoft is likely going to be dropping out of the console wars depending on how their upcoming Xbox Scarlett does. If the market is less crowded, Nintendo might stand to diversify their market and dropping the gimmicks.

Building a PC isnt that expensive if you're humble about what you really want to play on it. Ports of japanese console games are nowhere as resource-heavy as your typical AAA title for instance, a GTX 1060 graphic card will do the job very well enough for everything. AMD is rather the current cheaper alternative to get load of processor cores with the Ryzen serie. The sole issue is the can of worms that is Windows 10, which will always have telemetry no matter how much you disable it (for privacy reasons) and it sometimes has issues with really old PC games. My personal advice is that you should never get a cheap PSU to cut corners with your budget, that's a recipe for disasters as a cheap PSU can easily fry all components inside.

I'll rejoice with Marissa Moira about the "Sony's woke" comment, although more on the japanese side than the american one. SCEA is obviously acting like Nintendo of America back in the 90s, but jap imports have been relatively fine this year. The point remains that localization hijinks in japanese games are a thing no matter where you go. A recent example with the english release of Dragon Quest XI S that plainly admits the translated script is screwed up when you choose the japanese VA.
 
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Nintendo is apparently now being sued due to the shittiness of the Joycons.


It's funny watching people scrambling trying to suppress it, 100% of the Switch Lites are all affected by this. This is similar to how apple was slapped by their dead gay battery bullshit.

The Switch Lite is probably the most compromised console in recent history, this is bigger than the RROD.
 
I do like Nintendo, but I can't stand the hardcore fans that screech if you like other consoles.
Yeah console war fags are the worst.

My Wii U experience was a lot different, but I also indulge heavily in local multiplayer. That really helps the Wii U library shine because those games are a blast with other people in an offline setting. Hyrule Warriors, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Tropical Freeze or any of the platformers (play a level and pass that shit!), Fast Racing Neo, BOTW (shrine run and pass that shit!), Mario Maker... fuck we had a lot of fun with that system.

But it definitely wasn't for everyone. With that said, I always felt like a lot of gamers approached the Wii U with a negative opinion that was told to them and so they never gave it a fair shake. Not one of Nintendo's best systems, but there were some really excellent pieces of software.

Nintendo is apparently now being sued due to the shittiness of the Joycons.

Shame about the class action lawsuit, though you are weeks late on it. People have been screaming for months that the Switch Lite was going to release in borked condition. I've been telling everyone I know to avoid the thing like the plague. Get a regular Switch, why buy half a Switch with no hope of a fix for the drift? LOL

Nintendo deserves to pay out on this and I look forward to my check. Next time don't let a chink build your shit, Nintendo. Bring it home or better yet, make them in the USA.
 
Yeah console war fags are the worst.

My Wii U experience was a lot different, but I also indulge heavily in local multiplayer. That really helps the Wii U library shine because those games are a blast with other people in an offline setting. Hyrule Warriors, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Tropical Freeze or any of the platformers (play a level and pass that shit!), Fast Racing Neo, BOTW (shrine run and pass that shit!), Mario Maker... fuck we had a lot of fun with that system.

But it definitely wasn't for everyone. With that said, I always felt like a lot of gamers approached the Wii U with a negative opinion that was told to them and so they never gave it a fair shake. Not one of Nintendo's best systems, but there were some really excellent pieces of software.

I wasn't crazy for the Wii, either. Wii U just lacked games I enjoyed, same with the Wii. At least the VC on the Wii made up for some good stuff I could find. So I am glad the Switch kind of made a big leap. There will always be the one person who will defend the Wii/U and claim it has "good games" when all they have is shovelware like the countless waggle party type games. Kind of met a person like that a few years ago that called everyone "Fags" for playing their PS3s.
 
Yeah I wasn't much of a Wii fan either. Once again DK was great and the WiiWare store had Lost Winds which was really fucking awesome and BIT.TRIP. That's about all the Wii was good for.

Oh and for raping Samus Aran repeatedly with a rusty pole they found in an alleyway in Kyoto. Though I did like Metroid Prime 3. Took the piss out of BioShock Infinite's rail segments years before people started jerking off all over those.
 
I wasn't crazy for the Wii, either. Wii U just lacked games I enjoyed, same with the Wii. At least the VC on the Wii made up for some good stuff I could find. So I am glad the Switch kind of made a big leap. There will always be the one person who will defend the Wii/U and claim it has "good games" when all they have is shovelware like the countless waggle party type games. Kind of met a person like that a few years ago that called everyone "Fags" for playing their PS3s.
there were a couple of good games for the wii, but only a couple
I still can't forgive them for ruining paper mario tbh
 
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Building a PC isnt that expensive if you're humble about what you really want to play on it. Ports of japanese console games are nowhere as resource-heavy as your typical AAA title for instance, a GTX 1060 graphic card will do the job very well enough for everything. AMD is rather the current cheaper alternative to get load of processor cores with the Ryzen serie. The sole issue is the can of worms that is Windows 10, which will always have telemetry no matter how much you disable it (for privacy reasons) and it sometimes has issues with really old PC games. My personal advice is that you should never get a cheap PSU to cut corners with your budget, that's a recipe for disasters as a cheap PSU can easily fry all components inside.

I'll rejoice with Marissa Moira about the "Sony's woke" comment, although more on the japanese side than the american one. SCEA is obviously acting like Nintendo of America back in the 90s, but jap imports have been relatively fine this year. The point remains that localization hijinks in japanese games are a thing no matter where you go. A recent example with the english release of Dragon Quest XI S that plainly admits the translated script is screwed up when you choose the japanese VA.

Even the "cheap" gaming PC's are very expensive for me. Especially if I want to avoid buying a PS5 but still be able to play upcoming games like the next Grand Theft Auto game.
 
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Even the "cheap" gaming PC's are very expensive for me. Especially if I want to avoid buying a PS5 but still be able to play upcoming games like the next Grand Theft Auto game.
You wouldn't be able to play the next (or current) GTA game on a moderately priced PC, let alone a inexpensive one. Rockstar Games have no clue how to optimize their software for PC.
 
I liked the Wii mostly for 4 reasons:
chillin and playing Mario Kart Wii
it is the only console with Arc Rise Fantasia
Zelda: Twilight Princess (like everybody else I only had the Wii version),
and it's a Kirby Machine.
 
Wii was only good for Xenoblade and a few other RPGs

PS3 had way more stuff like Tales of Graces f, Tales of Xillia 1 and 2, Disgaea 3,4, and D2, Dark Souls, Demon's Souls, Lightning Returns, Nier, Tokyo Jungle, and many others.

Gamestop liquidated their wii stuff a good while back shit was going for next to nothing. I got many weird ports and real nitche stuff for the system.

Gamestop going FUCK IT THROW EVERYTHING OUT is the main reason I don't hate gamestop, so much savings when it's 80% off and coupled with a BOGO.
 
Shenmue 3, Final Fantasy 7 remakes, and half life 3 but they're calling it Death Stranding.
All of those games are giving off some eyebrow raising signals. I guarantee when they come out you can make any of the criticisms you made against the Wii U games for them too. That's on top of Sony having some serious censorship issues, being obnoxious about crossplay, getting in the way of mod support for PS4 Bethesda games, and still not having backwards compatibility.

The Switch's new exclusives are exciting me less and less (especially in regards to Pokemon) but Sony might be the worst company this gen in terms of practices.

Tales of Graces f, Lightning Returns
lmao
 
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I feel like this discussion about Nintendo consoles is missing a crucial element - the piracy angle. Ever since the wii Nintendo have made it laughably easy to pirate their consoles, each with their own pluses and minuses. The wii was so easy to hack I did it for all my friends almost without thinking - I don't think (although it's been a while so I could be wrong) there was a single lego game on the wii that didn't have an exploit, and the way it handled external storage, plus the homebrew scene's enthusiastic development meant you could hook up an external hard drive with every wii game on it in no time.

The wii u was a bit tougher to crack, but once the pirates got started it was even easier to get games on than the wii, with homebrewers even figuring out how to access Nintendo's download servers, so you could take the games straight from Nintendo, with no need to visit shady torrent or mega sites.

Now the switch is out and piss easy to crack with nothing more than an Android phone, a usbc cable and a paperclip. Nintendo have finally locked down their download server, but the scene has developed to a point where you can easily get every game on release just through discord or reddit. It's hilarious.
 
All of those games are giving off some eyebrow raising signals. I guarantee when they come out you can make any of the criticisms you made against the Wii U games for them too. That's on top of Sony having some serious censorship issues, being obnoxious about crossplay, getting in the way of mod support for PS4 Bethesda games, and still not having backwards compatibility.

The Switch's new exclusives are exciting me less and less (especially in regards to Pokemon) but Sony might be the worst company this gen in terms of practices.


lmao
You realize that Lightning Returns is just a Valkyrie Profile game in a final fantasy skin because it was made by Tri Ace.

Also how the hell is Death Stranding giving eyebrow raising signals because they already showed a shadow baby sucking on tiddies, a weeb who keeps killing himself, an armored core like customization system when it comes to weight distribution, and ghost shadow dinosaurs and there are Jin-Roh skeleton troops in hell. If you can pull a solid political lecture on why we must surrender to feminism from that I'd be amazed.

The only concerning thing about Final Fantasy 7 remake is where exactly are they going to make the cut for Part 2, everything about Tifa's tiddies are made the fuck up by crazy people.

Also why the fuck would you play Bethesda anything at this point, and then be like OH BUT THE POLITICS AND CENSORSHIP!!! Bethesda Greenlit fucking Terrible Wolfenstein games multiple times as well as Rage 2, both of which were bogged down by political bullshit and people not understanding how games work. They blew their legs off with Fallout 76 so much so that nobody is bothering with Elder Scrolls mobile game.
 
You realize that Lightning Returns is just a Valkyrie Profile game in a final fantasy skin because it was made by Tri Ace.

Also how the hell is Death Stranding giving eyebrow raising signals because they already showed a shadow baby sucking on tiddies, a weeb who keeps killing himself, an armored core like customization system when it comes to weight distribution, and ghost shadow dinosaurs and there are Jin-Roh skeleton troops in hell. If you can pull a solid political lecture on why we must surrender to feminism from that I'd be amazed.

The only concerning thing about Final Fantasy 7 remake is where exactly are they going to make the cut for Part 2, everything about Tifa's tiddies are made the fuck up by crazy people.

Also why the fuck would you play Bethesda anything at this point, and then be like OH BUT THE POLITICS AND CENSORSHIP!!! Bethesda Greenlit fucking Terrible Wolfenstein games multiple times as well as Rage 2, both of which were bogged down by political bullshit and people not understanding how games work. They blew their legs off with Fallout 76 so much so that nobody is bothering with Elder Scrolls mobile game.
I wasn't referring to woke politics, I was referring to the fact that Death Stranding's gameplay has so far barely impressed me and somehow made me less excited. I have the same reservations about the FFVII remake, there's been so much behind the scenes drama that it's made me quite skeptical. The fact that we haven't seen any footage outside of Midgar worries me. Tifa's tits definitely got smaller (although they're pretty much the same size as her Advent Children appearance) but I don't give a singular fuck about it.

I have tons of problems with Bethesda's business model and the quality of Fallout 4, but that doesn't mean Sony wasn't a complete dickwad in regards to getting one of the things that makes PC the best gaming platform. They still haven't implemented backwards compatibility, either, even after Microsoft found a good workaround.
 
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I wasn't referring to woke politics, I was referring to the fact that Death Stranding's gameplay has so far barely impressed me and somehow made me less excited. I have the same reservations about the FFVII remake, there's been so much behind the scenes drama that it's made me quite skeptical. The fact that we haven't seen any footage outside of Midgar worries me. Tifa's tits definitely got smaller (although they're pretty much the same size as her Advent Children appearance) but I don't give a singular fuck about it.

I have tons of problems with Bethesda's business model and the quality of Fallout 4, but that doesn't mean Sony wasn't a complete dickwad in regards to getting one of the things that makes PC the best gaming platform. They still haven't implemented backwards compatibility, either, even after Microsoft found a good workaround.
The PS5 is backwards compatible

The PS3 is a nightmare due to it's hardware and emulation and would have bogged the PS4 down in costs alone just to run old games. It made sense on why they didn't make the PS4 BC because of just how bad the OG PS3 was designed.

The Playstation 5 apparently has fixed this.

Also there's footage of stuff outside of Midgar, the last trailer had them at the top overlooking the vista outside of midgar.
 
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