Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ghostse]

I'll add daddy issues to the list.

I swear if you looked into the people writing the woke dreck that always shits on men I'll bet you'd find they grew up with a single mother or their dad is disappointed in them, and doesn't approve of their degenerate lifestyle.

Disney's cheques might be bouncing

That video is spot on and so is the article they link to: https://www.cnet.com/news/the-new-star-wars-trilogy-is-worse-than-the-prequels/

Lucas sucked at a lot of things, but he was innovative and he was at least swinging for the fences. Even if all he got was air, you could tell he was trying. Didney Waz has better acting and dialogue, but the movies themselves are complete shit.

C-net is usually pretty good at pushing past hype. I put a good bit of faith in the objectiveness of their tech reviews.

 

[ZMOT]

a Star Wars film year after year was going to burn fans out

a shit star wars film every year will definitely burn fans.

MCU had 2 movies per years ending it with the most successful movie of all time. and that's just capeshit. star wars as a universe is definitely rich enough that you can shit out at least one movie a year with lots of other material everywhere - if you care enough to actually make good content.

Are we all from the same timeline in here? Because I recall people being furious about Disney buying out Star Wars.

I was mainly having a laff because it looked like a decade of shitting on lucas finally took it's toll to the point he just wanted to get rid of it (while making a good chunk of money). now people shit on him for selling and letting disney rape the corpse of his baby, old georgieboy just can't catch a break.

as for disney back then they just established a cinematic universe formula other companies desperately tried to copy, so you could rightfully assume they would at least do the same with star wars - which wouldn't have been great, but not the shitshow we have now. no one did expect they would pay 4 billion dollars for one (if not the) most popular media brand in the world only to drive it into the ground in 5 years.

Didney Waz has better acting and dialogue, but the movies themselves are complete shit.

daisy channeling kstew and "this is how we'll win"?
and I still say RO and solo are not bad movies. highly flawed, but not necessarily bad.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Are we all from the same timeline in here? Because I recall people being furious about Disney buying out Star Wars.

But I only remember this because I felt like I was the only one who was fairly indifferent about it at the time. Almost everyone I talked to, everywhere I saw online when the buyout happened, other Star Wars fans were lamenting over the fact that Disney had done this, fearing the worst for the franchise. Years later, I went in to The Force Awakens in 2015 with no expectations. I figured hey, everyone seemed to be upset about this buyout but you know, let's give Disney a chance and see what they can do with it. Roughly two hours later, for the first time in my entire life, I exited a theater actually fuming and angry at a movie for wasting my fucking time. All of these fans I had seen pissing and moaning about Disney in 2012 were suddenly singing their praises and rejoicing about how wonderful this objectively shitty excuse for a film was, and this fucking garbage pile took the undeserved spot of highest grossing movie ever.

I would explain to my friends and family, logically and factually, why this movie didn't make any sense. Why it was a complete unoriginal rehash and why Rey was and still is the worst character I have ever seen in any high budget entertainment production of any kind. They would listen and they would acknowledge my arguments with understanding but they would naively hold on to their opinions and insist that this cinematic abortion was still the best movie they had ever seen. I could not get through to anybody about this.

And then The Last Jedi came out. And it wasn't a wake up call for me. It was merely my "I told you so" to everybody else.

I have noticed over the years following the release of TLJ, an increase in people claiming optimism after the Disney-Lucasfilm buyout. I wonder if they are telling the truth or not, because I only remember people being upset about it before immediately about-facing after the TFA nostalgia wankfest of 2015.

No, I remember some people weren't happy about the buyout, but I don't think it was everyone.

And I distinctly remember being excited by the news when I first heard it.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I remember people being upset at both the Marvel and Star Wars buyouts because they thought Disney was going to shitcan everything and turn it into "Mickey Mouse shit".

 

[Creep3r]

I did not expect great things from Disney, I didn't expect them to be as good as the original trilogy and I predicted there would probably be some disappointment from some ultra die hard fans.

But I did think they would be solid, about as good as the Marvel films as other have said, I never could have imagined the situation we're now in, it's flat out surreal.

I honestly had bad vibes about Disney buying SW since day 1. I mean, I tried to remain optimistic since I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but when I saw their first comics, books and that EA had received exclusive gaming rights while shutting down 1313, Lucasarts and Filoni Wars, I knew things were already in the shitter. Rebels was also obviously suffering from a terrible budget and heavy restriction to a young age demographic that kept it from doing anything truly of interest, only relying on really forced cameos to get by in the ratings. As for Marvel, I always thought Marvel's success was unrelated to Disney's considering that Marvel Studios was already starting to make quality films before the buyout.

The modern world is a surreal place that doesn't even really feel real sometimes.

2012 felt like the beginning of Clown World for me.

people were still giving it a benefit of a doubt since it introduced a bunch of new shit and looked like it would set up something cool

I never understood the logic behind that considering that the only truly new and interesting thing it introduced was Finn but even that was a tremendous waste of poorly conceived potential right after he started shooting up his own people without a second thought, while his co-stars were just shameless re-imaginings of the original heroes. Even the planets and factions were rehashes too. So much potential wasted for hollow pandering to the point where even James Cameron called them out on their unoriginality despite respecting Abrams.

James Cameron: Force Awakens lacked 'imagination' of Star Wars prequels

Director of Avatar and Titanic supports JJ Abrams but criticises the most recent addition to the Star Wars franchise

www.theguardian.com

The rest of the film was just OT/EU knockoffs and donut steals that only served to nullify the OT and its heroes and make everything that came before absolutely meaningless. Hell even the PT didn't make Luke and the gang's success seem like completely wasted effort. At the end of the day, TFA and Disney shit might've been better off being a flat-out reboot instead of sequels. I mean try watching it shortly after the OT and it just does not follow up well at all, its like rewatching the same exact films with worse quality but with prettier pictures.

To quote Inverse again (who I remind you were big shills in their own right but are starting to turn their back on Disney along with some other media outlets)...

'Star Wars' book leak reveals Han traded Luke's Yavin medal for booze money

Say it ain't so, Captain Solo.

www.inverse.com

Han’s willing to toss away this reminder of a happier time — and one of their most meaningful accomplishments together — for basically nothing. (It’s also a frustrating reminder of how the sequel trilogy has rendered all their accomplishments basically meaningless, but that’s a grumble for another day.)

Oh, to go back to those more innocent days before TLJ fucked the franchise in the ass and lifted the blinders from our eyes.

I'd rather live in the timeline where people see the reality for what it is rather than getting by on addicting nostalgia fumes. TLJ was an inglorious dumpster fire that woke people up from the nostalgia high and made them aware of all the fucks up and flaws Disney was committing. Hell everyone I knew was actually defending Wendig before TLJ while claiming only the alt-right was after him. It was only after that they seemed to wake up to the clusterfuck.

And speaking of TLJ, I always just saw it as the natural progression of things. You can blame Rian Johnson for fucking up Luke and all that (and he did), but that was inevitable. Right from the get go Kennedy, Abrams and Kasdan said that they didn't want Luke upstaging Rey at any point and Kennedy made her disdain for old and male characters apparent from the get-go, so it was clear that all this was going to happen, I just didn't think it would be so gloriously messy. Only thing TLJ had going for it was an infinitely better soundtrack that wasn't as lame and synthetic as TFA's as well as better effects, but everything was just such a disaster that you can't help but look on in awe of how shameless Kennedy, Rian and everyone else was about their loathing for SW. They did everything they were planning to set out to do, completely shit on the past and glorify their own heroes and place them on a pedestal, although adding the dumb jedi kids at the end helped to piss off even fans of the ST characters since it felt like they would be replaced for the next film.

I thought Solo wasn't as bad as critics said. Nevertheless, I do feel that a Star Wars film year after year was going to burn fans out, but TLJ shat the bed and Solo caught the fallout.

I feel that Solo was the only Disney Wars movie that had anything close to the makings of an original and good SW film but it was sadly buried under a pile of internal production drama, directing conflict, poor casting, writer fart huffing and bad scene and artistic choices. But there was something there. Something that had the makings of a truly good film which probably would've turned out far better if not for Kennedy's pompous meddling. RO was also sort of there but it suffered from the same blandness as TFA as well as having characters that were as lousy but even more bloated than TFA and TLJ's while only getting by on nostalgia. The film would've benefited a lot more from a smaller cast, or maybe just doing a Dark Forces adaptation. Also the constant bragging from it and media about it "fixing the OT's biggest mistake ie the Death Star's weakness" didn't help to make it look like a very humble film.

 

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I never understood the logic behind that considering that the only truly new and interesting thing it introduced was Finn but even that was a tremendous waste of poorly conceived potential right after he started shooting up his own people without a second thought, while his co-stars were just shameless re-imaginings of the original heroes. Even the planets and factions were rehashes too. So much potential wasted for hollow pandering to the point where even James Cameron called them out on their unoriginality despite respecting Abrams.

Kylo Ren was pretty interesting though. Sure, you can say he's just prequel Anakin or EU Jacen Solo, but on the big screen I found him compelling simply because he's an interesting archetype, the son of two heroes turned villain who utterly worships his evil grandfather he never met while acting like an entitled hotshot asshole the entire time. There's so much you can do with that simply because it's a compelling archetype for a character. Hell, Kylo should've been the main character, and the story follow his crimes and later redemption. Instead TLJ made it all an utter mess.

But that's the mystery box thing. Like Yellow Yoda and Luke's lightsaber which was immediately confusing to me (how'd that survive Bespin?) but seemed like we'd see more. It's ANH with mystery boxes slapped here and there so the audience has something else to think about besides how blatantly unoriginal it is.

 

[Dom Cruise]

2012 felt like the beginning of Clown World for me.

There were early rumblings in 2012 and 2013, but to me things didn't really reach a boiling point until 2014, the world has been utterly insane since that year.

I look back on 2012 and 2013 with an increasing feeling of nostalgia as it was the last time that the world didn't feel like it was falling apart and everyone wasn't losing their minds.

 

[Creep3r]

Like Yellow Yoda and Luke's lightsaber which was immediately confusing to me (how'd that survive Bespin?) but seemed like we'd see more. It's ANH with mystery boxes slapped here and there so the audience has something else to think about besides how blatantly unoriginal it is.

I think the whole lightsaber thing was the most notorious mystery box in TFA and its clear JJ has no intention of ever explaining that shit, which is why they regulated its backstory to an off-handed explanation that's barely canon. But if the original idea for the opening of TFA is anything to go by...

In the original script for The Force Awakens, it was originally intended to begin the film with the lightsaber falling through space

So we're expected to believe that the lightsaber somehow escaped Bespin's core and gravitational pull by just falling through it and then drifting through space for 30 years until it magically landed in Yellow Yoda's front yard where it then spent 10 years "calling out" to a random girl it never even "knew"? A more believable explanation would've been to just claim that the lightsaber fell into one of the many gas mining facilities below Bespin and was then found by an Ugnaught who sold it on the black market for big bucks to retire on (which was partially what they went with once for one of the Thrawn Trilogy sourcebooks).

Eventually after going from owner to owner and shop to shop, Yellow Yoda finally finds it and buys it, but that wouldn't make her sound very "speshul" and super important, although they could've circumvent that by claiming she sensed it in a store or some bullshit.

 

[Miller]

Another TLJ shiller!
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Is she...(re)tarded? I honesty can't think of any explanation for this blatantly untrue statement about TLJ other than mental disability.

It's bait. It's another blue checkmark baiting people so she could play the victim.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

"fixing the OT's biggest mistake ie the Death Star's weakness"

Even as a lapsed Star Wars fan that pissed me off. Death Star's weakness wasn't a "mistake" The open vent thing is way too an overblown nitpick. Everything has a flaw in it, especially a Gigantic Space Station designed by a massive galactic bureaucracy, and even then that "flaw" was so small it required Luke to use the force to actually exploit.

 

[BScCollateral]

Death Star's weakness wasn't a "mistake" The open vent thing is way too an overblown nitpick.

Imagine believing that everything that was ever built is perfect and nobody ever makes mistakes or design / budget compromises.

 

[vertexwindi]

Imagine believing that everything that was ever built is perfect

Disney's movies are.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

To me it was how quick Disney killed Star Wars.

Three, maybe even just two years, they can't even sell a Clorox bottle with a no subtitle Star Wars sticker attached to it. Disneys hubris made it so they had no Plan B for merchandising when Toys R Us fell through, but decided apeshit social media sycophants who are a little too obsessed with the child demographic were the best representative force behind Star Wars on the universal scale of things. I never cared much about the prequels. KOTOR, Palpatines origin, and Thrawn may as well have been the EU for me. But even as things stagnated to a halt in 2014 at least M&M's wanted anything to do with Star Wars. Now you don't get Darth Vader on Wheaties let alone Emo Ren. Walmart here had huge fucking bins made chiefly to sell the oldest stock of old-wars and then redundant overstock of nu-wars. It's up to you to figure out how long the former sold and how much of the latter didn't sell.

At least you could sell anything Star Wars in 2014.

 

[Judge Holden]

...budget compromises.

Cmon, the empire was in serious financial straits. They couldnt even afford to give Darth Vader the right sized boots...

Honestly it was probably a bad fiscal move adding that expensive new youngling wing to the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Centre

 

[Mammamia in Naziland]

Death Star's weakness wasn't a "mistake" The open vent thing is way too an overblown nitpick. Everything has a flaw in it, especially a Gigantic Space Station designed by a massive galactic bureaucracy, and even then that "flaw" was so small it required Luke to use the force to actually exploit.

And the creative group couldn't even keep their retcon straight, since in TFA during the briefing discussing the oh-so-terrible Starkiller Base, as people were wondering how could they defend themselves let alone destroy it, Han Solo handwaves everything with a "space stations like this always have some weak spot"*** (I do not remember the exact wording, I saw the movie once in theater and dubbed). I was already scoffing at the film by then, but I remember being really pissed upon hearing it, it was so on-the-nose and fourth-wall-breaking!

So, how does it work? Either:

1- Planet-killer space stations cannot but have some critic flaw, so TFA is internally consistent and this non-troversy about plotholes in ANH is crap and didn't need fixing by RO; using the same plot point in TFA keeps being lazy tho;

2- Having flaws that could be exploited during an eventual hostile attack is stupid, so much that an entire Nu-Wars movie is dedicated on retconning it, BUT, Starkiller Base totes have a similar flaw, even though the builders by now should have gotten smarter and double check for sabotage, and this time the flaw is so big that a simple pilot withouth Force abilities can use it to destroy it.

This nu-canon is a fractal of idiocy, the more you look into it, the more folds of retard and wtf!? you can discover.

*** The trick would be later employed in the comics too, with the infamous lines: "how could they regroup so quickly!?" "Does it matter?" "No, not one bit."


EDIT:
ok, found the screenplay, it is not as blatant as I remembered, but still:

HAN
Okay, how do we blow it up?
(all eyes on him)
There's always a way to do that.

The convo ends up with the Resistance hatching the plan: disable the shields, destroy the McGuffin - an 'oscillator' - idly laying on the planet surface, which will destabilize the whole station and make it blow up. Genius!

 

[AnotherPleb]

I thought Solo wasn't as bad as critics said. Nevertheless, I do feel that a Star Wars film year after year was going to burn fans out, but TLJ shat the bed and Solo caught the fallout.

Part of me wonders if Solo was released when it was so KK could have a reason to continually shit on Han. That movie would have done a lot better coming out before TLJ too.

 

[verissimus]

That video is spot on and so is the article they link to: https://www.cnet.com/news/the-new-star-wars-trilogy-is-worse-than-the-prequels/

Lucas sucked at a lot of things, but he was innovative and he was at least swinging for the fences. Even if all he got was air, you could tell he was trying. Didney Waz has better acting and dialogue, but the movies themselves are complete shit.

C-net is usually pretty good at pushing past hype. I put a good bit of faith in the objectiveness of their tech reviews.

Woah woah woah. How the hek is CNET willing to puff up Zoe Quinn, a relative nobody, a charlatan, and a conniving jezebel but dunk on Disney's Star Wars? What is with the media...

 

[Ghostse]

Even as a lapsed Star Wars fan that pissed me off. Death Star's weakness wasn't a "mistake" The open vent thing is way too an overblown nitpick. Everything has a flaw in it, especially a Gigantic Space Station designed by a massive galactic bureaucracy, and even then that "flaw" was so small it required Luke to use the force to actually exploit.

I wouldn't say it "fixed" things so much as they put in the effort to make Rogue One integrate into the existing movies, and I appreciated that.
I would more point the fact that Galen Erso is fucking worst saboteur in the history of sabotage. The only way he could have been worse at his mission if he'd made enhancements the Death Star in some way. If in 10 years all he was able to do is hide a design flaw in one of 18 two-meter ports... I'd want to know what school he graduated from so I could execute all other graduates just in case there are any as incompetent as him, and then execute the teaching staff, administration, and then raze the place to the ground so they don't create another worthless graduate. (also, Wife dead, daughter missing & hiding with resistence, seriously WTF leverage did they really have on him at that point?)

I liked Rogue One. There were some big flaws; they did a really poor job of introducing us to Jose Bond (which wouldn't have been a problem if he'd kept to the trope of 'amoral black ops agent who eventually rediscovers his humanity', but they tried to make him play against type by having him not snipe Jyn/Her father without really doing a good job of setting up that this was to be against his usual personality), too much jumping around, vehicle design on jedda, the not-out-of-the-uncanny-valley-yet Tarkin face mapping (Just put some guy in prosthetics FFS), the priest and his body guard (I actually sort of liked them, but hey made an already crowded movie that much more crammed full). And the escape of the Tantive at the very end.


I'm not going to lie. I liked the scene where Vader goes full Vader on the ship at the end. I thought it was cool, and I think it still made sense for the character: Vader let the storm troopers do the work on the Tantive because special effects were fucking expensive, yo they had the ship disabled. Raddus' ship was engaged in an active space battle so Vader going in with the marines would make sense and they have CGI and a budget for that shit now. I have some issues with how he just sort of magically shows up right there and no one noticed or felt the hull being breached, but it IS a movie.

But you can't pull the diplomatic mission shit when you're seen escaping an LITERAL SPACE BATTLE.

 

[Antipathy]

I'm hearing conflicting sources that say that the last trailer for EP IX is coming out either tomorrow or on the 21st.
Either way, brace yourselves, I think they're going to go all in on marketing.

 

[Creep3r]

Woah woah woah. How the hek is CNET willing to puff up Zoe Quinn, a relative nobody, a charlatan, and a conniving jezebel but dunk on Disney's Star Wars? What is with the media...

Welcome to Clown World.

Cmon, the empire was in serious financial straits. They couldnt even afford to give Darth Vader the right sized boots...

Honestly it was probably a bad fiscal move adding that expensive new youngling wing to the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Centre

Shit like that just made me convinced that Palpatine was out to mess with Vader at every turn on purpose just to make him angrier. Being trolled and constantly pissed off is the fastest way to level grind for Siths.

And the escape of the Tantive at the very end.

Seeing Vader pissed was endearing, but the whole thing with the Tantive IV just opens up a whole 'nother can of worms.

All the 'Star Wars' Canon 'Rogue One' Has Now Retconned

Does it all match up? Not quite.

www.inverse.com

And this was written by RO shills and even they know something was wonky. Also it doesn't help that uncanny valley Leia is unsettling as fuck.

I'm hearing conflicting sources that say that the last trailer for EP IX is coming out either tomorrow or on the 21st.
Either way, brace yourselves, I think they're going to go all in on marketing.

All we know for certain is that its going to be this month and ticket sales start on the 15th. Some say tomorrow is the trailer's release and some say the 21st. But I believe the 21st is more likely.

StarWarsNewsNet claims its the 21st.

SWNN on Twitter

“8 days to go!!! #StarWars #theriseofskywalker https://t.co/5UkfVWR9vF”

twitter.com

But Boyega's agent claimed it comes out on Monday, but then Boyega himself also tweeted about it and claims its soon but he doesn't know when.

Everyone, even people within Disney seem completely lost as to what the release date will be or they're misleading on purpose.

Anyway here is some related news.

1: The name of a music track from IX has supposedly been leaked (although this comes from Reddit so take it with a grain of salt, but the guy seems trusted by people there) and its called the Falcon's Last Ride which makes people suspect that Disney is going to destroy the Falcon and possibly kill Lando. This was sort of suspected after a recent lego leak showed what looked like a destroyed Falcon on one of their boxes with Ren's ship flying away, however since the opposite side had Ren's ship destroyed with the Falcon flying away, I doubted it, but considering the name of this track, it seems Disney really is dumb enough to kill the Falcon and Lando... Oh well. Not like its the Falcon we knew and loved. Its just L337 now. But still, this pretty much confirms that Disney wants to kill off everyone from before Disney and leave them with no descendants (since Lando's "truly love" is a fucking robot under Disney), probably to never have to pay George or anyone a dime ever again. Bastards.

2: Another supposed leaker claims that previous leaks about Kylo Ren's death are legit as to mirror Jacen Solo's death (since that's pretty much Emo Ren's template) and have him be killed only to go back to the light in his dying moments. Hopefully true, since that would mean Reylos will sperg and Disney will lose its shippertard/Twilight fanbase.

3: Vanity Fair weighs in on the Where's Rose drama.

Where’s Rose? Star Wars Fans Want Kelly Marie Tran’s Hero on More Merch

The first major female Asian character in the galactic saga was missing from many products for The Rise of Skywalker. Here’s what happened.

www.vanityfair.com

4: Despite that reshoots are supposedly done, JJ is still editing the film, so the final runtime is unknown, but so far its believed to be 2 hours and 35 minutes according to theater info but that might change with more edits.

Theaters Are Receiving a Run Time for The Rise of Skywalker Meaning Tickets are Imminent - Star Wars Unity

Prior to advanced tickets being put on sale for an upcoming movie, theaters must have...

starwarsunity.net

5: As more major media news outlets are starting to turn their backs on Disney, The Mary Sue comes in as one of their few remaining white knights.

Yet they seem to have no issue with Rose's removal. I thought you tards cared about opressed Women of Color?