Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Stab You in the Back]

I never liked the idea of Snoke to begin with as it just felt like "Emperor Part 2.0", so them disposing of him to have Kylo Ren ascend to the level of true number one big bad was something I was actually in favor of.

But then they pulled the rug out from that, put in the real Emperor again, and reduced Kylo to subordinate yet again....k.

Snoke would've been fine if they didn't just make him another Sith puppetmaster.

Prior to TLJ, I imagined Snoke was something like an arms manufacturer working in the Outer Rim. When the Empire collapsed, he recruited the best and the brightest of the officer corps to steal imperial tech and help him form The First Order. Once the First Order was formed, he then became their George Soros. He had the money and set the direction of their actions, but he was cautious enough to keep a healthy distance from everybody except the top guys.

But nope. He's just a cackling supervillian in a gold bathrobe.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Snoke would've been fine if they didn't just make him another Sith puppetmaster.

Prior to TLJ, I imagined Snoke was something like an arms manufacturer working in the Outer Rim. When the Empire collapsed, he recruited the best and the brightest of the officer corps to steal imperial tech and help him form The First Order. Once the First Order was formed, he then became their George Soros. He had the money and set the direction of their actions, but he was cautious enough to keep a healthy distance from everybody except the top guys.

But nope. He's just a cackling supervillian in a gold bathrobe.

So he is Jeffrey Epstein?>

 

[Antipathy]

Anyhow. I was roaming TV Tropes during a quiet moment today and I saw this:

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I can't believe I have to vandalize TVTropes again.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Two words: Tucker's Kobolds.

I should explain. This was a semi-legendary AD&D 2e (I think) adventure aimed at characters level 10 and above, in which the main enemies were kobolds. As in, the trash mobs that get pwned by level 1 characters in a couple of hits. However, by having the kobolds set up their stronghold with arrow slits in every wall, murder holes in the ceiling and vats of boiling oil, traps on every available level surface, tunnels within the walls between advantageous firing positions and ambushes, and "hurling Molotov Cocktails at the party from behind the cover of flaming barricades that groups of kobolds pushed ahead of them with metal poles."

Tucker's Kobolds required a specific rule to work, though: the ability to split up movement within a turn (which wasn't the norm in that edition.) So the ability to break line of effect when using murder holes/ arrow slits in a way that the PCs can't is a huge component to their victory (also the fact that none the PCs apparently had access to teleportation or incorporeal movement to let them break into the back back row and just go ham.)

Also, you have to also remember that with rusty old Soviet rifles, IEDs, traps, ambushes, and superior local knowledge and an extensive network of sympathisers within the native population, an irregular militia (the Viet Cong / NVA) saw off a superpower (the USA) in the 1960s and 1970s. It's not that far fetched really. The Empire's armoured units and divisions were completely unsuited to a heavily forested battlefield with broken terrain and ambush points etc. at every turn.

Except the VC/NVA didn't do much in the way of actually winning battles. They played a war of attrition and let their 5th column (the American press) wear down public support for the war to the point where the US was unwilling to honor their part of the Paris Peace Accords. As bad as the Empire was, I don't think Palps was stupid enough to allow open sedition inside his propaganda machine. In this scenario, stone age teddy bears have to take on an FTL civilization and win a pitched battle straight-up which... strains credulity a bit.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Pulling the Enperor out of a hat just from a narrative standpoint is an issue since they were planning a sequential trilogy. Which means each movie is the beginning, the middle and the end.

Compare to the original trilogy. The bad guy Darth Vader is introduced and he kills a whole bunch of people. We later learn he is part of something called "the Empire". Since he was subordinate to Tarkin in the film its shown Vader is not ultimately in charge. The heroes spend most of the movie running from Vader, including the final sequence where he is shooting down fighters left and right.

In the second movie Vader has overall field command, but now we are introduced to the true big bad. The Emperor. Luke ends the movie getting his shit wrecked by Vader. Then in the third movie the Emperor shows up in the flesh at last and we have the final throne room showdown.

At no point in the original trilogy is the Empire played for laughs. They were an ominous, competent force that the Rebels manage to beat by the skin of their teeth in the first movie and wrecks their shit in the second. Which makes the battle of Endor a satisfying payoff. You dont see The Emperor losing his temper and yelling, you dont see Vader getting thrown around a bridge.

Compare that to Disney star wars. They introduce their big bad right off the bat, have the lead charachter effortlessly defeat him, while in the process the first order is shown as bumbling incompetent morons with the emotional range of 4 year old boys. All in the first movie. Then in the second movie they...do the same thing, only this time kill the final boss like a bitch and then fight a pointless ground battle.

So now their narrative is completely borked. They need to build to the climax but they've already blown their load. Twice! Worse we STILL dont know what the first order is, how they "reign" or why we should root for the heroes to beat then. Telling people to "read the books" is pointless. If your movie is only explainable if people have a written compendium then it's a bad story. Tolkien had an entire bible's worth of back story and lore for Lord of the Rings but you dont need to read any of it to be able to understand and get invested in that story. Both the books and the films.

What they have is Kylo Ren, who Rey has bested TWICE now, his scooby doo gang called the first order, and a ridiculously over powered protagonist who "came from nothing". What do you do with that? You cant just use deus ex machina and wave it all away and say "it was the emperor all along!" In the original trilogy there was a progression towards the face off with Palpatine. Where is the progression here? There is none.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

I can't believe I have to vandalize TVTropes again.

Tell Fighteer I said go kill yourself

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Pulling the Enperor out of a hat just from a narrative standpoint is an issue since they were planning a sequential trilogy. Which means each movie is the beginning, the middle and the end.

Except JJ is now saying that WASNT what the plan was. Were they lying before or now (probably both)

At no point in the original trilogy is the Empire played for laughs. They were an ominous, competent force that the Rebels manage to beat by the skin of their teeth in the first movie and wrecks their shit in the second. Which makes the battle of Endor a satisfying payoff. You dont see The Emperor losing his temper and yelling, you dont see Vader getting thrown around a bridge.

They were space Nazis and treated accordingly

Compare that to Disney star wars. They introduce their big bad right off the bat, have the lead charachter effortlessly defeat him, while in the process the first order is shown as bumbling incompetent morons with the emotional range of 4 year old boys. All in the first movie. Then in the second movie they...do the same thing, only this time kill the final boss like a bitch and then fight a pointless ground battle.

So now their narrative is completely borked. They need to build to the climax but they've already blown their load. Twice! Worse we STILL dont know what the first order is, how they "reign" or why we should root for the heroes to beat then. Telling people to "read the books" is pointless. If your movie is only explainable if people have a written compendium then it's a bad story. Tolkien had an entire bible's worth of back story and lore for Lord of the Rings but you dont need to read any of it to be able to understand and get invested in that story. Both the books and the films.

This may be controversial but Tolkein is a better writer then JJ and Rian

What they have is Kylo Ren, who Rey has bested TWICE now, his scooby doo gang called the first order, and a ridiculously over powered protagonist who "came from nothing". What do you do with that? You cant just use deus ex machina and wave it all away and say "it was the emperor all along!" In the original trilogy there was a progression towards the face off with Palpatine. Where is the progression here? There is none.

If the leaks are true she will beat him 3 times AND palpy will also beat him

 

[Judge Holden]

Snoke would've been fine if they didn't just make him another Sith puppetmaster.

Prior to TLJ, I imagined Snoke was something like an arms manufacturer working in the Outer Rim. When the Empire collapsed, he recruited the best and the brightest of the officer corps to steal imperial tech and help him form The First Order. Once the First Order was formed, he then became their George Soros. He had the money and set the direction of their actions, but he was cautious enough to keep a healthy distance from everybody except the top guys.

But nope. He's just a cackling supervillian in a gold bathrobe.

There is a reason why me and apparently a whole bunch of other people had theorised he was infact one of the first jedi if not *the* first jedi who was seeking to pull some wannabe ubermensch "transcend the light and dark sides and/or ripoff Kreia and try to end the force" schtick given how the film loudly mentioned the history of the jedi and that luke's planet was apparently the first jedi temple.

I mean....nobody thought disney would be that fucking stupid to just have him be some random irrelevent fucking nobody who had zero importance to anyone despite wiping out the jedi and corrupting the skywalkers again

 

[Zaryiu]

The parasites are after more than money though, this is b

I've only seen a few episodes of Korra myself. However my impression (admittedly shaded by E;R's reviews) is that the gripes people have about it usually center around a time jump replacing the previous show's beloved cast with an overpowered, abrasive female protagonist that rarely struggles to overcome problems and is inexplicably adored despite being kind of a piece of shit, hamfistedly shoving in anachronistic politics that don't really rise organically from the setting and detract from immersion, and some weirdness with relationships culminating in the main character arbitrarily deciding she's a lesbian 12 seconds before the show ends.

That sounds quite typical of what we'd see in later woke reboots, honestly - since it released in 2012, perhaps you could even call it one of the blueprints for the phenomenon.

WHY THE FUCK THEY ACT LIKE JETPACKS JUST GOT INVENTED?!

Because to JJ it doesn't exist if it isn't in his movies, that's how arrogant he is

 

[Muttnik]

I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

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Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.

Do I want to know how much that is sold for?

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

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Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.

Forget picturing a boot stomping on a human face forever, this is a true look at our glorious bugman consoomer future.

 

[Muttnik]

Do I want to know how much that is sold for?

Most kid's menu items for lunch seem to go around the $10-$14 price range. Paying ten bucks for that isn't worth it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Most kid's menu items for lunch seem to go around the $10-$14 price range. Paying ten bucks for that isn't worth it.

The patty no joke looks like the veggie burger from an Army MRE

 

[Adamska]

Because to JJ it doesn't exist if it isn't in his movies, that's how arrogant he is

He also is so lazy he expects others to fix his hole-ridden sweaters, err, movies without putting in any effort to say, suggest paths they could take, or you know... BUILD A FUCKING COHERENT PLOT. Oh, and he wants all the toy rights that don't sell because he can't be fucked to make good movies; just flashy ones.

I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

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Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.

Pretty sure that's old and stale Impossible Burger stock they had on hand and are selling for 2x the actual price given that this is an insultingly small portion to eat even for a kid. Fucking Dino Nuggies from Denny's is an order of magnitude more appetizing than this.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

View attachment 1035170

Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.

Why are they pushing vegan items so hard?

 

[Bumwine]

I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

View attachment 1035170

Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.

This is Jack Scalfani tier of laziness and incompetence

 

[Mola Ram]

Why are they pushing vegan items so hard?

Because nu-Star Wars is the exclusive domain of sperm-burping faggots.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

View attachment 1035170

Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.

That looks utterly unhealthy as well as joyless. What the fuck is that thing bent round the "burger" because it looks like uncooked pizza dough coated in grease. And the orange in its skin just sat there, looking sullen.

The only way anyone could enjoy that is if they like the smell of their own farts - and if you eat that, said farts would make Greta Thunberg shout "How dare you!"

 

[Adamska]

Why are they pushing vegan items so hard?

Because their marketing director is a 20 something year old bugman who thinks Instagram is the place to advertise and market. They also seem to think the soy demographic will outnumber the family demographic in profitability, probably because their Bugmen marketers are stupid and selfish fucks.