Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Oddjob OTP]

I know a lot of people in this thread have managed to catch ‘em all over the various games, but does anyone have a white whale Pokemon they’ve wanted but never managed to obtain?

Mine’s Steelix. When people first told me about it (in the days before I had high speed Internet to verify things), I thought it was a hoax since I never played the original Johto games and very few trainers had one. I love its design, but I’ve never found anyone I can trade with to get one.

Some (maybe all depending on version, not sure) of the trade evolution Pokemon can be found in the Wild Area already evolved this gen. Steelix just sits around the over world waiting to be caught. It's actually one of the many parts this gen gets right.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

Thats shedninja and there more fucked up stuff then just that.

How about the fact that it's its own living thing serperate from the pokemon it was split split from.

There so many possble ways to look at it, including the SOMA way.

Does it has memories from the pokemon it was once part of, if it does how much?

Could you say it's like in SOMA.
SOMA Spoilers

Spoiler

In SOMA when the brain is copied there now two "living" versions of that person.

One in the Orginal body, and one in the new body that Brain Copy went way.

Shedinja is extra creepy for another reason. As most of you know, you need an extra Pokeball on hand and an empty slot in your party to get a Shedinja when Nincada evolves. But here's the thing, the game never tells you that it even shows up, not even in this current gen where the dex shows you the entry every time a new mon is registered (it also did that last gen but the Nincada line wasn't in Alola).

You'll evolve your Nincada, get the Ninjask, register it to the dex and all that jazz, and then you'll look at your party and Shedinja will just, be there. No announcement, no dex registration fanfare, it just manifests into your squad out of thin air like something straight out of a creepypasta.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Some (maybe all depending on version, not sure) of the trade evolution Pokemon can be found in the Wild Area already evolved this gen. Steelix just sits around the over world waiting to be caught. It's actually one of the many parts this gen gets right.

Yeah, I know you can catch one in the Wild Area, but part of me wants to get one through evolution the “proper” way.

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

People wish that Pokémon are real, these Dex entries make me glad they're just fiction.

Many Pokemons are capable to destroy cities so, yeah, it is better they're fictional

I'm glad they fiction because of the Horrble Horrble fetish art I have layed witness to, and would never want to think of what people would do if pokemon was real.

> See my own avatar

I'll show myself out...

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

I've compiled a full list as to why Dynamaxing is the most broken thing ever concocted by GF.

-Increases HP
-Grants Z-move level moves
-Somewhat bypasses protecting moves
-Can either boost the user's stats, lower the opponent's stats, summon terrain, weather, and other effects with the Gmax-forms
-Grants immunity to certain move-limiting elements like flinching, Encore, and others
-Removes the locking mechanics of Choice items
-Doesn't require a held item
-Any given Pokemon can use it

The only downside whatsoever is the 3 turn limit, which doesn't matter when you can either snowball something into an unstoppable force, or wipe out half the opposing team to the point where it's easy pickings with whoever's left.

 

[Floop]

I've compiled a full list as to why Dynamaxing is the most broken thing ever concocted by GF.

-Increases HP
-Grants Z-move level moves
-Somewhat bypasses protecting moves
-Can either boost the user's stats, lower the opponent's stats, summon terrain, weather, and other effects with the Gmax-forms
-Grants immunity to certain move-limiting elements like flinching, Encore, and others
-Removes the locking mechanics of Choice items
-Doesn't require a held item
-Any given Pokemon can use it

The only downside whatsoever is the 3 turn limit, which doesn't matter when you can either snowball something into an unstoppable force, or wipe out half the opposing team to the point where it's easy pickings with whoever's left.

But it looks cool

 

[OddEyes]

I know that this was brought up before in the thread, but can we talk about how so many people are getting ass hurt over a second of footage of a mouse cursor?

Like, read some of the comments - And people are acting like the end of the world here.

 

[Floop]

I know that this was brought up before in the thread, but can we talk about how so many people are getting ass hurt over a second of footage of a mouse cursor?

Like, read some of the comments - And people are acting like the end of the world here.

It’s pretty unprofessional though

 

[Marissa Moira]

I know that this was brought up before in the thread, but can we talk about how so many people are getting ass hurt over a second of footage of a mouse cursor?

Like, read some of the comments - And people are acting like the end of the world here.

I have played a gorillion RPGs, but none have ever suffered the issue of using bandicam footage for the finished product.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

I know that this was brought up before in the thread, but can we talk about how so many people are getting ass hurt over a second of footage of a mouse cursor?

Like, read some of the comments - And people are acting like the end of the world here.

Pebble in the pond philosophy. When there's so much to take issue with in this game already, any given pebble thrown into the pond is being laid on top of an underwater mountain's worth of them by now. Not to mention, again, the highest grossing media franchise in the goddamn world and yet the most rookie-level mistakes like this happen multiple times in one title.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The only game I can think of in recent memory that was an RPG and this fucking retarded on the halfassed gameplay level was Final Fantasy 15.

But let's think back even to a few generations. take the Atelier Series, shit never got this bad. They had one game with a weird crashing bug but they patched it quickly. But Between the PS3 and PS4 they released 12 games in total. Tales of series had Graces f, Xillia, Xillia 2, Symphonia HD remaster, Symphonia 2, Zesteria, Berseria, Hearts R, and Vesperia. Now Symphonia 2 was just bad on a gameplay level so much that it got disowned by Bandai Namco and Zesteria was kinda mixed but berseria which followed it corrected the mistakes. But none of these games were outright broken or flat out missing shit.
Hell we can even probably count Disgaea. Disgea 3,4, and D2 came out on the PS3 and PS4 had 1, 5, and 4 Complete. Disgaea 1 was felt to be a cheap cash grab but there was nothing about the games that felt as off as sword and shield.

Falcom is another example to compare, they're a much smaller company. The biggest issue they had within the last two generations was with the dub and english translation for Ys8. However the game wasn't shortchanged on anything as far as gameplay went and went on to be the biggest seller in the whole series. but everything falcom puts out is done with care, Trails of Coldsteel has higher production values than fucking Sword and Shield and it's made by a much smaller team with far less resources.

And of course lets not forget Dragon Quest which is the big swinging dick of RPGs in japan. They did the series justice with 11 and fully realized not only the Series' specific style in 3D but made the world full and vibrant, as well with a load of interesting quest chains to do and over 650 unique monsters to fight.

Pokemon being that fucking big has zero excuses to have anything fall that short. Especially since Xenoblade 2 is on the same fucking system. They're not lacking money, they're not lacking man power, Matsuda is fucking Japanese Chris Roberts.

 

[OddEyes]

Pokemon being that fucking big has zero excuses to have anything fall that short.

I mean, I agree that it's a mistake, but it's still a bit much don't ya think?

C'mon, it's not like we know the inner workings of GF atm, and really, a second of footage - Hell, I actually just replayed this and I haven't seen this mouse cursor. I don't even know if it's for certain copies or not.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I mean, I agree that it's a mistake, but it's still a bit much don't ya think?

C'mon, it's not like we know the inner workings of GF atm, and really, a second of footage - Hell, I actually just replayed this and I haven't seen this mouse cursor. I don't even know if it's for certain copies or not.

Some people just want to be angry at Game Freak and will take any excuse to do so.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

On PokéDex entries, they've "fixed" it now, but remember back in the original gen(s) they'd reference real-world animals and countries? Arcanine, for instance, is apparently from China, and a Gastly could topple an Indian elephant just by enshrouding it in its gas. Then there's Mew being found in the jungles of Guyana (of which there's a really excellent folklore about a giant magical tree of life that accidentally(?) made its way into the Pokémon anime).

I dunno, I get they didn't plan ahead and that referencing the real world in Pokémon would fuck with its lore and world-building, but it's little details like that that I miss. I mean, even the anime itself in the OG series showed real fish.

It's such a bizarre case of early installment weirdness, but I kinda liked that about it.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

I mean, I agree that it's a mistake, but it's still a bit much don't ya think?

C'mon, it's not like we know the inner workings of GF atm, and really, a second of footage - Hell, I actually just replayed this and I haven't seen this mouse cursor. I don't even know if it's for certain copies or not.

First of all, I've seen the mouse in my own copy of the game, and have seen it in dozens of different YT videos including from Poketubers who love SWSH to no end. It ain't a fake like the intentional glitches hackers put in when the games were being leaked. Secondly, this isn't a typical mistake like short draw distance, weird pop-ins or bad frame rates that are common in games today, this is some indie studio rookie level shit that would've taken 5 whole minutes to fix.

And finally, because apparently I have to drive this point home yet again, pebble in the fucking pond. This game is just one final straw after another for a lot of people to the point where it'd built up into a haystack. Even if you don't count Dexit, there's still a host of other issues. The graphics, online, performance, just general basic-ass fidelity is laughable both for the system it's on and the AAA caliber of the franchise it represents.

If this was any other IP it would've been laughed out of the room tenfold, but because it's Pokemon it's suddenly excused of any and all faults and any criticism is the equivalent of being a Nazi (I've legitimately seen some defenders make this comparison they are that blindly loyal to a fucking brand).

Now, I will fully admit I had some fun with the game myself, there was some things I genuinely enjoyed, but pretending the pile of problems don't exist and just waving off anyone who suggests otherwise as some entitled child is absurd in its own right.

 

[OddEyes]

First of all, I've seen the mouse in my own copy of the game, and have seen it in dozens of different YT videos including from Poketubers who love SWSH to no end. It ain't a fake like the intentional glitches hackers put in when the games were being leaked

First of all, I never claimed it was fake. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. All I said that I never saw it in MY copy. I even admitted that it was a mistake.

I out right said that it's a mistake, but I think it's an overblown issue.

Secondly, this isn't a typical mistake like short draw distance, weird pop-ins or bad frame rates that are common in games today, this is some indie studio rookie level shit that would've taken 5 whole minutes to fix.

Considering that it was only 1 second worth of footage, and isn't noticeable that it happened until people actually pointed it out, it's easily possible for this to be missed. Again, I'm not saying that it's excusable, but people are making it out to be much bigger of a deal than it is.

And finally, because apparently I have to drive this point home yet again, pebble in the fucking pond.

And i'll point this out again... I believe PEOPLE ARE BLOWING IT OUT OF PROPORTION. You can say it's a pebble in a pond, but at the same time, you know what that says to me? That it's something that isn't that big of a deal, especially when a lot of the complaints that we've seen over the past year, have been some of the pettiest of bullshit.

Throw in the fact that you were willing to put words in my mouth claiming that I implied that it was 'fake' when I made no fucking indication of that, that kinda shows me that you yourself are making it out to be much bigger and making it out to be such a petty issue.

If this was any other IP it would've been laughed out of the room tenfold, but because it's Pokemon it's suddenly excused of any and all faults and any criticism is the equivalent of being a Nazi (I've legitimately seen some defenders make this comparison they are that blindly loyal to a fucking brand).

honestly, while that sucks, if you made implications like you did here, I can see why people get on your case. Not saying that it's right for that sort of thing, but frankly, if you're willing to make implications and put words in my mouth like you just did, I can't blame people for getting on your case.

Now, I will fully admit I had some fun with the game myself, there was some things I genuinely enjoyed, but pretending the pile of problems don't exist and just waving off anyone who suggests otherwise as some entitled child is absurd in its own right.

When did I ever say that it wasn't a mistake?

I mean, I agree that it's a mistake, but it's still a bit much don't ya think?

C'mon, it's not like we know the inner workings of GF atm, and really, a second of footage - Hell, I actually just replayed this and I haven't seen this mouse cursor. I don't even know if it's for certain copies or not.

Don't lump me in on that just because you got ass hurt fans on your case and treated you like crap, and don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Nobunaga]

The only game I can think of in recent memory that was an RPG and this fucking exceptional on the halfassed gameplay level was Final Fantasy 15.

But let's think back even to a few generations. take the Atelier Series, shit never got this bad. They had one game with a weird crashing bug but they patched it quickly. But Between the PS3 and PS4 they released 12 games in total. Tales of series had Graces f, Xillia, Xillia 2, Symphonia HD remaster, Symphonia 2, Zesteria, Berseria, Hearts R, and Vesperia. Now Symphonia 2 was just bad on a gameplay level so much that it got disowned by Bandai Namco and Zesteria was kinda mixed but berseria which followed it corrected the mistakes. But none of these games were outright broken or flat out missing shit.
Hell we can even probably count Disgaea. Disgea 3,4, and D2 came out on the PS3 and PS4 had 1, 5, and 4 Complete. Disgaea 1 was felt to be a cheap cash grab but there was nothing about the games that felt as off as sword and shield.

Falcom is another example to compare, they're a much smaller company. The biggest issue they had within the last two generations was with the dub and english translation for Ys8. However the game wasn't shortchanged on anything as far as gameplay went and went on to be the biggest seller in the whole series. but everything falcom puts out is done with care, Trails of Coldsteel has higher production values than fucking Sword and Shield and it's made by a much smaller team with far less resources.

And of course lets not forget Dragon Quest which is the big swinging dick of RPGs in japan. They did the series justice with 11 and fully realized not only the Series' specific style in 3D but made the world full and vibrant, as well with a load of interesting quest chains to do and over 650 unique monsters to fight.

Pokemon being that fucking big has zero excuses to have anything fall that short. Especially since Xenoblade 2 is on the same fucking system. They're not lacking money, they're not lacking man power, Matsuda is fucking Japanese Chris Roberts.

XV has the excuse of a decade of too many chefs in one kitchen, studio meddling, rush product and all sorts of fuckery
Whats pokemon excuse again?

 

[A Welsh Cake]

XV has the excuse of a decade of too many chefs in one kitchen, studio meddling, rush product and all sorts of fuckery
Whats pokemon excuse again?

Too much money in one indie company.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

First of all, I've seen the mouse in my own copy of the game, and have seen it in dozens of different YT videos including from Poketubers who love SWSH to no end. It ain't a fake like the intentional glitches hackers put in when the games were being leaked. Secondly, this isn't a typical mistake like short draw distance, weird pop-ins or bad frame rates that are common in games today, this is some indie studio rookie level shit that would've taken 5 whole minutes to fix.

And finally, because apparently I have to drive this point home yet again, pebble in the fucking pond. This game is just one final straw after another for a lot of people to the point where it'd built up into a haystack. Even if you don't count Dexit, there's still a host of other issues. The graphics, online, performance, just general basic-ass fidelity is laughable both for the system it's on and the AAA caliber of the franchise it represents.

If this was any other IP it would've been laughed out of the room tenfold, but because it's Pokemon it's suddenly excused of any and all faults and any criticism is the equivalent of being a Nazi (I've legitimately seen some defenders make this comparison they are that blindly loyal to a fucking brand).

Now, I will fully admit I had some fun with the game myself, there was some things I genuinely enjoyed, but pretending the pile of problems don't exist and just waving off anyone who suggests otherwise as some entitled child is absurd in its own right.

First of all, I never claimed it was fake. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. All I said that I never saw it in MY copy. I even admitted that it was a mistake.

I out right said that it's a mistake, but I think it's an overblown issue.



Considering that it was only 1 second worth of footage, and isn't noticeable that it happened until people actually pointed it out, it's easily possible for this to be missed. Again, I'm not saying that it's excusable, but people are making it out to be much bigger of a deal than it is.



And i'll point this out again... I believe PEOPLE ARE BLOWING IT OUT OF PROPORTION. You can say it's a pebble in a pond, but at the same time, you know what that says to me? That it's something that isn't that big of a deal, especially when a lot of the complaints that we've seen over the past year, have been some of the pettiest of bullshit.

Throw in the fact that you were willing to put words in my mouth claiming that I implied that it was 'fake' when I made no fucking indication of that, that kinda shows me that you yourself are making it out to be much bigger and making it out to be such a petty issue.



honestly, while that sucks, if you made implications like you did here, I can see why people get on your case. Not saying that it's right for that sort of thing, but frankly, if you're willing to make implications and put words in my mouth like you just did, I can't blame people for getting on your case.



When did I ever say that it wasn't a mistake?



Don't lump me in on that just because you got ass hurt fans on your case and treated you like crap, and don't put words in my mouth.

Jeez, just kiss already.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

On PokéDex entries, they've "fixed" it now, but remember back in the original gen(s) they'd reference real-world animals and countries? Arcanine, for instance, is apparently from China, and a Gastly could topple an Indian elephant just by enshrouding it in its gas. Then there's Mew being found in the jungles of Guyana (of which there's a really excellent folklore about a giant magical tree of life that accidentally(?) made its way into the Pokémon anime).

I dunno, I get they didn't plan ahead and that referencing the real world in Pokémon would fuck with its lore and world-building, but it's little details like that that I miss. I mean, even the anime itself in the OG series showed real fish.
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It's such a bizarre case of early installment weirdness, but I kinda liked that about it.

The best case has to be Lt. Surge. He was known as the "Lightning American" and was referred to as such even when he appeared in the Pokemon World Tournament, which is in Unova, aka Pokemon USA (though the announcer does question if he's from Unova, which just raises further questions). It wasn't until Let's Go that they scrubbed it out of his title.