General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Being married off to a guy in exchange for a dowry is a lot like slavery, though. Arranged marriages still happen in the world today. And men were allowed to "discipline" their wives until modern times without any penalty. Women couldn't own or inherit property. So, while certainly I'm not downplaying the horrors of slavery or lynching or any of that -- women have had far less rights than men for a long time.

My point, though, was that in a country where black people were initially thought of as not fully human, they still managed to get the vote 50 years before white women who were considered human. They thought that black men, who they once thought were only slightly smarter than cattle, were still intellectually superior to women. And it took them 50 years to change their minds. So, yeah, women are a little salty that a bunch of men pretending to be women are trying to come in and get access to the things that we had to fight to get.

In arranged marriages men often don't get to choose who they get married to either, it's the parents who choose. Just saying.

Personally I'm salty because I get the impression a lot of "dysphoria" stems from the fact that men can't be arsed to fight for equality in gender presentation. Thanks to feminism, for decades women have been allowed to wear pants and engage in male hobbies without being called freaks. Men, on the other hand, get shamed for enjoying feminine things. Yet instead of fighting for equality like we did, they try to say they're females.

 

[Spastic Colon]

So is being gangpressed or drafted.



When I read some of the greek classics, I also read about the young high status women who would kidnap and marry the young strapping man before his family could object. As for the idea of "discipline without penalty", that's a blatant falsehood and re-imagining of history.

I'll give a single example let you rethink this notion.

here is a book that examines marital violence court cases that were reported in the london times between 1660 and 1857

Marital Violence: An English Family History, 1660–1857 | Reviews in History

reviews.history.ac.uk

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1. Why would there be court cases if there was no penalty for violent discipline?
2. This review states that "Not surprisingly, given the contentious nature of marital litigation, the identification of violence always remained contested, and neither judges nor litigants ever reached consensus about exactly what marked unacceptably violent behaviour. " Judging from that, there was a line (however hard to define) between acceptable and unacceptable violence.

I also recall hearing that the punishment for men that let their woman beat them in colonial Canada was to beat those men publicly, but I never did manage to find strong sources for that, so until I do, treat it as a rumor rather than fact.

If you want to continue the discussion, let's make a seperate thread for it though.



Like what? What do women have access to do that men don't? Only things I can think off is lower sentencing for similar cases, particularly for statutory rape and having a good chance to have divorce court in your favour, but apart from that I don't see many things that women have access to that men don't. This isn't rhetoric: I'm really asking for things that women have access to that men don't.

I was thinking specifically of women's sports. It isn't that they don't have access to sports. It is that they think self-ID should grant them the right to participate in women's sports. The same could be said for FtM as well, but not as much is made of that. Whether it is because FtM rarely choose to join men's sports or men simply aren't bothered by it because they don't have an unfair advantage, I don't really know. I'd be interested in learning more about that side of it.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I was thinking specifically of women's sports. It isn't that they don't have access to sports. It is that they think self-ID should grant them the right to participate in women's sports. The same could be said for FtM as well, but not as much is made of that. Whether it is because FtM rarely choose to join men's sports or men simply aren't bothered by it because they don't have an unfair advantage, I don't really know. I'd be interested in learning more about that side of it.

Women, even roided (testosterone supplemented) women, have diffulty competing with men, in particularly, competing with the highest performing men. This is a universal constant across sports. I don't think there is a single sport in which women outperform men.

Maybe ftms join it all the time, but they certainly aren't winning the competitions.

Tennis:

How to... beat both Williams sisters in one afternoon | Sport | The Observer

www.theguardian.com

Football (what americans call soccer):

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage

The match was in preparation for Thursday's USWNT friendly versus Russia

www.cbssports.com

Australia women's soccer team faces unfair global backlash after loss to boys' team | Goal.com

The U.S. women's national team would be foolish to dismiss the Matildas after a 7-0 friendly loss to the Newcastle Jets U-15 side.

www.goal.com

 

[soft breathing]

I hope this hasn't been posted before.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/09/non-binary-abortion-access/

Do you think only women need access to abortions and reproductive healthcare?

That’s the common assumption – and it shows up in so many conversations about reproductive rights.

But the truth is that there are transgender, non-binary, and gender non-conforming people who need abortion access, too – and society’s assumptions about gender are making that really difficult.

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

7 out of 10 trannies on social media tend to pan put as being sexually deviant weeaboos who want to be kawaii-desu anime girls and are only interested in lesbo-sex.

Offline I've met more people who are more genuine about their Trans experience and they tend to have less of a stick up their ass, but they're also clique-y as fuck so even then...

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

I hope this hasn't been posted before.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/09/non-binary-abortion-access/

I mean they're not wrong. Men should have abortion rights too.

I'm for mandatory fourth trimester abortions for all crotchfruit. We can't expect God to do all the work.

 

[heathercho]

Being male... a free pass to never be beaten, sold off, enslaved, murdered for at least the last 2000 years. God damn, I love male privilege.

Of course males have had that problem - it's a human problem, but I was specifically speaking about it happening when it's based on biology. That was the context, as you can clearly see, by the framing of 2000 years - when the Abrahamic generally got their foothold. Don't be deliberately autistic.

Like what? What do women have access to do that men don't? Only things I can think off is lower sentencing for similar cases, particularly for statutory rape and having a good chance to have divorce court in your favour, but apart from that I don't see many things that women have access to that men don't. This isn't rhetoric: I'm really asking for things that women have access to that men don't.

That's an exceptionally western view to have. It's not like that in every part of the world.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Of course males have had that problem - it's a human problem, but I was specifically speaking about it happening when it's based on biology. That was the context, as you can clearly see, by the framing of 2000 years - when the Abrahamic generally got their foothold. Don't be deliberately autistic


That's an exceptionally western view to have. It's not like that in every part of the world

Lol, you accuse me of western centrism when you yourself set the scope of the discussion at abrahamic religions? What even is your point with that?

If women could just magically identify as men, wouldn't they have... like.... over 2000 years ago?
Wouldn't they have just magically identified as male to stop being beaten, sold off, raped, murdered, etc?

On what do you base the idea that in non-islamic abrahamic countries that it was legal or common to murder women with impunity in a way that did not exist for men?

 

[AnOminous]

I mean the appendix is perfectly healthy and many people get it removed before its a problem, and same with wisdom teeth off the top of my head.

That and "perfectly healthy body parts being removed" is at odds with reality because it's being reconfigured, not removed. And Many of the same people who cry about this also whine that hormones cause erectile dysfunction. So like is it healthy or does it not get normal erections?

In this case, it was perfectly healthy before it was interfered with by opposite sex hormones. Making something unhealthy or at least not in its normal state and then using that as a reason to obliterate it doesn't make sense. From a medical standpoint, the harm caused by medicine should not outweigh the benefits gained. So if there's a psychological justification for it such that it's less harmful to leave it alone than treat it in a manner that is objectively physically harmful, at least from a medical standpoint it shouldn't be done.

However, generally people's bodies are their own and they should be able to do whatever they like with them.

There's also a separate but related issue as to whether something is not acceptable just as an optional medical route someone can choose on their own dollar, but whether it's medically necessary such that it should be covered by medical insurance, government funded or otherwise.

TRAs seem to want to have it both ways, claiming simultaneously that taxpayers or other insurance pool members should pay for a medical intervention for something they insist isn't an illness. It's really one way or the other. Trenders who claim to have no dysphoria at all and that there's nothing wrong with them can't at the same time demand treatment for free.

Then there's a medical ethics issue of whether something should be encouraged or there should be gatekeeping (or for some whether it should be allowed at all). Frankly, I'm on the gatekeeping side because the elimination of all safeguards whatsoever under the guise of "informed consent" has been disastrous and has led to insane results.

I find the WPATH guidelines as followed about 10 years or so ago a good starting point, and "anything goes," especially anything goes at taxpayer expense, absolutely nuts, especially when done to people who obviously should never have been encouraged to do something drastic they will later regret.

My point, to the extent I had one at all, is that there's something fundamentally different about physical surgery to treat a psychological problem. It isn't unique to HRT/SRS, but it's certainly different from heart surgery. For instance, brain implants to treat severe depression, although in that case they're actually treating the affected organ, and even if it's physically "healthy" it obviously isn't working entirely correctly.

 

[Emperor Julian]

7 out of 10 trannies on social media tend to pan put as being sexually deviant weeaboos who want to be kawaii-desu anime girls and are only interested in lesbo-sex.

Offline I've met more people who are more genuine about their Trans experience and they tend to have less of a stick up their ass, but they're also clique-y as fuck so even then...

I get this impression as well. It also occurs to me if you're really a transgendered person you probably would;nt identify as trans online but would instead assume the gender you feel you are. I suspect most genuine trans people tend to just front as regular people online unless they're hyper political.

If anything you're tacictly endoring the idea you're not actually a woman/man if you indentify as tran-man/trans-woman.

 

[Lord Xenu]

No human being has EVER been found who produces viable sperm and viable ova. Ever.

I don't know if this is relevant (it discusses Chimeras and I am unsure if they are regarded as "intersex"). I am not knowledgeable about this stuff but I saw it mentioned in another thread on KF: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20452130

(Full-text pdf attached).

 

[Manah]

Everybody is cool with trans rights til somebody fucks it up for them IRL. it’s not like homophobe grandpa realizes he was wrong after meeting mr gay bro next door, or “wow maybe those chinks aren’t so bad after all, this food is delicious!” I used to be on the trans women are women train til my AGP ex trooned out and got really creepy and totally unrealistic about bathrooms, periods, participating in women’s sports, and other stuff that is too OT/ :powerlevel: to justify sharing. Unfortunately I believe gen pop are unable to distinguish between confused gay transsexuals and AGP creeps/mentally ill/general jackasses so it’s a zero tolerance stance from me. take Canada - self-ID as a concept, and fully tolerant women’s sports/spaces as another concept, are mutually irreconcilable because of dicks like JY, rogaine ogre, and McKinnon.

Honestly, who actually gives a fuck about women's sports?

 

[Otterly]

I don't know if this is relevant (it discusses Chimeras and I am unsure if they are regarded as "intersex"). I am not knowledgeable about this stuff but I saw it mentioned in another thread on KF:

the scenario in that abstract is a flight of fancy. It’s quite bizzarre. It’s not a case report and nobody has ever been found with functioning tissues like they are fantasising about. It reads like a Troon fantasy. Weird, and impossible would be my verdict. The plumbing alone wouldn’t work. No one has ever been found to have functional gametes of both sexes. I suspect the epigenetic imprinting would fuck it up as well - humans don’t have parthenogenesis.

Chimerism is interesting though. Most of us are chimeric to some degree. If you’ve ever been pregnant, some of the baby’s cells persist within your body. All women are chimeric for X chromosome - you only need one and so early in development one shuts down randomly so you end up a patchwork of x1 and x2.
There was a case report out of Eastern Europe somewhere with someone who was an xy xx chimera. That’s really interesting, because it seems like they may be formed from fusion of twins at an early stage.
Fascinating though it is, it still says absolutely bugger all about transgenderism.
the technique of waffling on with a wall of spurious science is called gish galloping. TRAs love it. But all the incredibly interesting developmental genetics says nothing about being trans. Nothing. Because it’s not the same thing. A genetically normal AGP bloke who LARPS as a women is not someone with an intersex condition. Sex is not a spectrum. Sex is immutable in the individual.

 

[A Welsh Cake]

I've become a lot more transphobic in recent times, with browsing the farms and with

Spoiler: Powerlevel

My sister coming out as bisexual and dating women

and I honestly think it is justified. Gender Dysphoria, like any body dysphoria, is obviously a mental illness. I'm sure it's been said a million times already on this site but I think it needs to keep on being said until these men and women in denial seek therapy. Most individuals I've seen/met who are trans have not passed at all and the one who was MtF genuniley came off as a scary stalker pervert. Also the cultish behaviour is really freaky and I'm glad that I never got suckered into it.

 

[Spastic Colon]

Honestly, who actually gives a fuck about women's sports?

Women

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Women

What are those?

 

[NoSpiceLife]

I get this impression as well. It also occurs to me if you're really a transgendered person you probably would;nt identify as trans online but would instead assume the gender you feel you are. I suspect most genuine trans people tend to just front as regular people online unless they're hyper political.

If anything you're tacictly endoring the idea you're not actually a woman/man if you indentify as tran-man/trans-woman.

If they were really 'trans' as in able to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, they wouldn't even be talking about having lesbians suck their 'girldicks', let alone showing them off in any way.

Not being comfortable with your genitals in the slightest, to the point of wanting to forget they even exist, and go away, is one of the diagnostic criteria.

The men who take this fetish to the endth degree, that is having their dicks stripped and stuffed in holes cut into them that will never heal (well they would heal if they stopped shoving stuff in them to keep them open, heal as in fester and rot, and cause them great sickness), have passed over into the total delusion, that watching too much porn carries with it. That it's going to be the ultimate orgasm, 50 times a day.

The thing that clues us into this, is the fact that they are 'trying their new parts out' before they even have their follow up appointments, you know the ones that surgery patients normally have to check that things are healing okay?!? There is an abundance of videos of guys essentially rubbing/squeezing the heads of their dicks, that are supposed to look and act like a clitoris, all while puss, blood, and rotting flesh is moving and flaking off (I think I just vomited a little).

As much as I detest the fact that I've seen this video, there is one where the guy has had his dick somehow put in a hole, and he is seen to be rubbing for all his worth, until he actually ejaculates out the hole, and it is definitely ejaculating, nothing like a female having an orgasm.

This is offered up as the ultimate woman, I just can't see a straight guy, or seriously even a gay guy wanting to go anywhere near it; and there is no way in hell a lesbian is going to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Very few even get as close to looking like this last guy, and there was a lot wrong, a lot even regret destroying themselves, even when they say they weren't completely comfortable; but forget anyone ever hearing about it, they are shunned and ignored, deleted and banned, to make sure that the agenda can't be stopped in any way, especially by showing men what the more likely outcomes of their fetish is going to be.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

If they were really 'trans' as in able to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, they wouldn't even be talking about having lesbians suck their 'girldicks', let alone showing them off in any way.

Not being comfortable with your genitals in the slightest, to the point of wanting to forget they even exist, and go away, is one of the diagnostic criteria.

The men who take this fetish to the endth degree, that is having their dicks stripped and stuffed in holes cut into them that will never heal (well they would heal if they stopped shoving stuff in them to keep them open, heal as in fester and rot, and cause them great sickness), have passed over into the total delusion, that watching too much porn carries with it. That it's going to be the ultimate orgasm, 50 times a day.

The thing that clues us into this, is the fact that they are 'trying their new parts out' before they even have their follow up appointments, you know the ones that surgery patients normally have to check that things are healing okay?‽ There is an abundance of videos of guys essentially rubbing/squeezing the heads of their dicks, that are supposed to look and act like a clitoris, all while puss, blood, and rotting flesh is moving and flaking off (I think I just vomited a little).

As much as I detest the fact that I've seen this video, there is one where the guy has had his dick somehow put in a hole, and he is seen to be rubbing for all his worth, until he actually ejaculates out the hole, and it is definitely ejaculating, nothing like a female having an orgasm.

This is offered up as the ultimate woman, I just can't see a straight guy, or seriously even a gay guy wanting to go anywhere near it; and there is no way in hell a lesbian is going to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Very few even get as close to looking like this last guy, and there was a lot wrong, a lot even regret destroying themselves, even when they say they weren't completely comfortable; but forget anyone ever hearing about it, they are shunned and ignored, deleted and banned, to make sure that the agenda can't be stopped in any way, especially by showing men what the more likely outcomes of their fetish is going to be.

I think I know the video you're talking about and it's a nullo, not a tranny. Nullos are guys who cut off their cocks without getting a hole carved in their crotch. AFAIK neovaginas don't ejaculate.

 

[Spastic Colon]

I think I know the video you're talking about and it's a nullo, not a tranny. Nullos are guys who cut off their cocks without getting a hole carved in their crotch. AFAIK neovaginas don't ejaculate.

That video legitimately scarred me. But, you're right. It isn't a neo-vagina. If it was, it would make SRS even more horrifying than it already is.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

That video legitimately scarred me. But, you're right. It isn't a neo-vagina. If it was, it would make SRS even more horrifying than it already is.

I mean, it's pretty horrifying how some leak colon fluid all the time lol. I wonder if that ever stops or if the trannies who get colon-vaginas just have to wear pads forever.