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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
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Apparently that "munching on fries and sipping wine" moron Asha Rangappa--who very briefly worked for the FBI-- has been going back through her Twitter history in full-blown DFE mode since the release of the OIG report. Thankfully, local Twitter man had already archived most of their discussions.

Likewise, CNN has started to go all the way back to 2017 to try and retroactively change stories that they'd written up about Manafort. For a report that's allegedly such a "nothingburger" it sure is causing an awful lot of people to start backpedaling so hard that their wheels fly off.
Why are so many reporters Glow in the Dark?

Is there any way to find the former spooks in the media? like how many came in post obama?
 
An OIG report views issues from a perspective of compliance with DOJ and FBI procedures. Without some sort of documented evidence explicitly stating that an agent is going to intentionally sabotage or frame a person of interest, they can't possibly draw that conclusion because it's outside of their purview and not what they're here to do in the first place. In the entire history of the OIG they have never directly arrested a single person, and unless something goes extraordinarily wrong in this country, they never will.
OTOH, I can see how for people who do understand the process, it being frustrating to see this exact fact being used to then spin the report as “exonerating” the FBI.
 
That is just... a freaking perfect microcosm of the general mindset running throughout Trump's opposition.

Gotta love the mindset they have about all the people who voted for Trump too. If they are all crazy, well there is nothing wrong with attempting to nullify an election through extra-legal means, now is there.
 
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So they all meet up to "better understand Steele's background and reliability as a source and to identify his source network" (p. 279 of the FISA report), and these are the conclusions Ohr gives them. Also, Steele has nothing against Trump! (Remember the tartans!)

Page 282 (PDF page 320):
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These people...

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At this point I would like to reiterate: imagine these people were investigating you for a crime.

Continued on page 285 (PDF page 323):
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Yeah, Ohr definitely needs to start jotting stuff that he does down on a pad or something.

Still page 285 (PDF page 323):
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But then Ohr wouldn't get to be the plucky maverick, saving America from that corrupt tyrant Trump! :(
 
So you were deeply concerned by the information that Steele was relaying to you to the point where you were deliberately avoiding even informing your superiours of the interactions with Steele for fear of them telling you to break off the communication, but whenever the opportunity arose to bring this information directly to the FBI--like you said you wanted to do--you refused to do it and instead chose to make certain that all of the information you passed along had to pass through you as a 'buffer', first.
Not just that, because Steele was Formally Closed as a CHS, they were not allowed to take information from him without formally petitioning their higher ups to Re-open him as a CHS.
 
If they're not biased then they're unbelievably, pants-shittingly incompetent. That's supposed to make me feel better? "Oh that cop wasn't trying to frame you, he just made a major, clerical error seventeen times in a row. Don't worry, he'll get it right the eighteenth time!"
This is the part that really pisses me off the most. Our agency is either incredibly corrupt or incredibly downright stupid. Neither is a good alternative to the other and I hate more people are screaming about biases when the fact is that the FBI messed up big time.
 
If the Democratic Party was smart and long-term, they would simply let Trump be the idiot they portray him to be and let him fuck up in his own devices. I am not politically sound, but it looks to me that they are deliberately making stuff up into overdrive in the hopes he would just admit to whatever investigation they lay on him.

OR, Trump is so cunning, he has more than one tie to whatever political or financial influence, they're missing one crucial detail to really drive it home. It seems to me that even with all the media presence and public dislike towards Trump, it'd be easy to impeach the guy and move on. It was easy for him to be put on the ballot.

This is such a convoluted mess, I can't wrap my head on how through this is, yet it is leading nowhere. All they are doing is hurting themselves and giving Trump re-election. Is that what they want?

Simple enough. Hillary's victory was a foregone conclusion. Voting was just a ceremonial action.

Then that didn't happen and suddenly every "peace and love" leftist started suspecting racists everywhere. Social media amplified this so loud that Democrats started getting a bit afraid for their jobs so they started going along with "The Resistance" narrative. Unfortunately Democrats haven't figured out that the far left is not the future.

Anyway, this report isn't going to stop anything is it? Checking the liberal forum I used to frequent and they don't have anything on the report. The liberals on my facebook haven't really mentioned it, just a passive aggressive post about how the "GOP are the traitors" from the "I investigated GamerGate and know corruption when I see it" guy.
 
I might have overlooked it, but what exactly were they looking for with the FISA warrant? Because it looks to me that the FBI knew the Steele dossier was basically fanfiction, yet belived it to be 100% true at the same time.

I mean were they actually looking for Russian collusion, or did they get the warrant and hoped they would find any old thing illegal and just retroactively justify the FISA by going "we didn't find collusion but we found (insert crime here)."?

I am really curious what the actually expected to find.
 
I might have overlooked it, but what exactly were they looking for with the FISA warrant? Because it looks to me that the FBI knew the Steele dossier was basically fanfiction, yet belived it to be 100% true at the same time.

I mean were they actually looking for Russian collusion, or did they get the warrant and hoped they would find any old thing illegal and just retroactively justify the FISA by going "we didn't find collusion but we found (insert crime here)."?

I am really curious what the actually expected to find.
Yeah I think they just assumed he had to be balls deep in massively crooked shit. To be fair I'm still pretty surprised at how little dirt there is.
 
I am really curious what the actually expected to find.

Either they're still stuck in the McCarthy years in trying to get revenge for being ousted, or they just really wanted this to be the next Watergate. Because it's not like our government hasn't had their own scandals throughout these past fifty years.

Or it's just because Hillary was supposed to become the Queen of America after the chocolate Messiah ascended, but instead we got Cheeto Man who was once one of them, except he really wasn't. And he knows all their secrets.
 
Once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action. Seventeen times? that's a detailed fucking account for why your dumb ass needs to be in jail.
This whole mess just feels like fucking dutchposting
Just one more lie arthur we will stop DRUMPFT from becoming president!
Did no one of these idiots realize that they got too greedy after the first 2 investigations gave them no blackmail material for trump, or are the fbi full of yes man cucks that couldnt look their boss in their eyes and say: this shit is pointless
 
I might have overlooked it, but what exactly were they looking for with the FISA warrant? Because it looks to me that the FBI knew the Steele dossier was basically fanfiction, yet belived it to be 100% true at the same time.

I mean were they actually looking for Russian collusion, or did they get the warrant and hoped they would find any old thing illegal and just retroactively justify the FISA by going "we didn't find collusion but we found (insert crime here)."?

I am really curious what the actually expected to find.

They expected to find the shit THEY did to his campaign. The meeting with Alexander Downer, the suitcase of cash. Jr's meeting with that russian bitch. They literally pulled a dozen different dirty ops all to paint a singular picture of him colluding to 'steal' the election.
 
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