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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
You know if people were practicing journalism they might ask the Aussie government about those 2 months

hush goyim, stop spreading baseless conspiracies

IG Horowitz just brought up the fact that he legally cannot investigate DoJ/FBI Attorneys for misconduct
 
Fox just had a headline up saying the FBI is exonerated. Fienstien is also doing exactly what you'd expect. Edit: oh the sztrok/page messages weren't inappropriate dey wuz good boiz

I can't find the Fox headline, can you show me?
 
Hey guys, how do I help? What pages aren't done yet?
Chapter 10 onwards I think (i.e. from page 305, which is page 344 in the PDF). I'm going to aim to get the last twenty-odd pages of Chapter 9 done pretty soon, but there's still some stuff left of the report! If you're especially keen Chapter 11 is a big one, but judging from what we've seen so far it seems like it'll be juicy. Dive in! :)

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Even the Deputy Attorney Generals are saying that the FBI/Ohr fucked this one up.

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"..the team trusted that Ohr was a professional, career Department official." (Oopsey-daisy!)

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At least a couple of the boys agreed that Ohr was sketchy and that they shouldn't really be talking with him about anything.

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Strzok "hoped Ohr would not have talked about anything work related"? Has he ever met Ohr? Also Strzok flat-out lied about being unaware of Ohr continuing to meet with Steele.
 
Chapter 10 onwards I think (i.e. from page 305, which is page 344 in the PDF). I'm going to aim to get the last twenty-odd pages of Chapter 9 done pretty soon, but there's still some stuff left of the report! If you're especially keen Chapter 11 is a big one, but judging from what we've seen so far it seems like it'll be juicy. Dive in! :)

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At least a couple of the boys agreed that Ohr was sketchy and that they shouldn't really be talking with him about anything.

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Strzok "hoped Ohr would not have talked about anything work related"? Has he ever met Ohr? Also Strzok flat-out lied about being unaware of Ohr continuing to meet with Steele.

"Case Agent 1 did not believe there were any issues with Ohr being a 'conduit' to Steele, but the team never discussed specifically tasking Ohr."

"...the team was still trying to understand Fusion GPS' role, and the team trusted that Ohr was a professional, career Department official."

If you're going to conduct a full-scale investigation on a political candidate who is supposedly scummier than Richard Nixon, you shouldn't accept the same level of uncertainty as a high schooler's group project whose participants just assume the other is going to do their job properly, only to be blindsided when the due date is a couple days away, and most of the research notes were cited from Wikipedia articles edited by that one dumbass in your class.
 
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I've been doing some reading that is adjacent to this travesty and found an interesting blog.
https://kottke.org/13/06/you-commit-three-felonies-a-day

I found especially this part of the blog particularly interesting,

In response to a question about what happens to big company CEOs who refuse to go along with government surveillance requests, John Gilmore offers a case study in what Silverglate is talking about.

We know what happened in the case of QWest before 9/11. They contacted the CEO/Chairman asking to wiretap all the customers. After he consulted with Legal, he refused. As a result, NSA canceled a bunch of unrelated billion dollar contracts that QWest was the top bidder for. And then the DoJ targeted him and prosecuted him and put him in prison for insider trading — on the theory that he knew of anticipated income from secret programs that QWest was planning for the government, while the public didn’t because it was classified and he couldn’t legally tell them, and then he bought or sold QWest stock knowing those things.
This CEO’s name is Joseph P. Nacchio and TODAY he’s still serving a trumped-up 6-year federal prison sentence today for quietly refusing an NSA demand to massively wiretap his customers.
No one is safe from the American STASI; no CEO's, no Presidential candidate, not Joe Citizen.
 
I've been doing some reading that is adjacent to this travesty and found an interesting blog.
https://kottke.org/13/06/you-commit-three-felonies-a-day

I found especially this part of the blog particularly interesting,

In response to a question about what happens to big company CEOs who refuse to go along with government surveillance requests, John Gilmore offers a case study in what Silverglate is talking about.


No one is safe from the American STASI; no CEO's, no Presidential candidate, not Joe Citizen.
We don't have to accept it. There's a lot better justification to call for the abolishment of the FBI than ice...
 
Cruz: so an agent created false evidence, then altered an email to support that false evidence
Horowitz: yes, that's what my investigation found
Cruz: And you can't say that was due to bias?
Horowitz: it was inexplicable and the answers given were unsatisfactory
Cruz: it sounds explicable to me!
Do we even need the last 3 lines? The fact an agent created false evidence and then altered other evidence should be enough for every single person in america to stop and say "Okay the entire FBI needs to be audited from top to bottom."
 
Do we even need the last 3 lines? The fact an agent created false evidence and then altered other evidence should be enough for every single person in america to stop and say "Okay the entire FBI needs to be audited from top to bottom."
The last 3 lines didn't happen, sorry, faulty memory. It was just the Cruz question and Horowitz saying yes. The other stuff was from a different part of the hearing.
I'm not even sure it was Cruz...
 
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All of these people that knew it all should have been handled better in hindsight. And yet, here we are.

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Imagine only finding out about a critical part of your job because the clowns in the media circus have started babbling about it. What about the FBI director? Surely he knew, right?

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Oh, so either we believe Comey when he says he had no idea about any of this stuff that he should absolutely know about, or he (and the other people above) were flat-out lying again. And what a 'coincidence' that Comey didn't want to have his security clearances reinstated so that they could ask him about Strzok's meeting minutes.
 
It sure is convenient that the bureaucracy is so complex that hardly anyone can be proven to have done anything intentionally. "Mistakes were made", "we should have communicated better", "i don't recall" will be the resounding cries of "orange man bad" the second any sort of criminal charges come out and the media will eat it up.

This is obvious sedition wrapped in incompetence with a side of contempt for the american people.
 
The bias doesn't even matter in the first place, so I don't know why so many people are hung up over it. Whether or not they did this maliciously or accidentally--though the latter is a big, fat "doubt it"-- the fact still remains that there were constant, systematic failures every possible step of the way, and these FISA warrants were only kept on life support via a constant stream of lies.

I'd say that "accidentally" making 17 consecutive errors that just happened to be to their benefit and to the detriment of Trump leaves me feeling a bit goddamned incredulous, but the motive itself doesn't really make for much of a difference at the baseline. They still routinely failed to verify information and at every available opportunity to correct their course, they instead chose to lie in order to perpetuate the narrative. Seventeen times.

If they're not biased then they're unbelievably, pants-shittingly incompetent. That's supposed to make me feel better? "Oh that cop wasn't trying to frame you, he just made a major, clerical error seventeen times in a row. Don't worry, he'll get it right the eighteenth time!"

Nah. I'd like a different officer on my case, please.
I was listening to people talking almost exactly like this on this podcast.

"We don't think there's bias."
>Proceeds to spend an hour going over all the ways the FBI screwed up.

Also... Can someone please explain to me what's the difference now between the Ukraine call they're impeaching Trump over and the Steele dossier? Heck this report says the whole thing was kicked off by "a FFG" (Friendly Foreign Government) having an impact on the election.

But not even self-described right-wing commentators have picked up on this. It's like EVERYBODY has agreed to this rule of "it's not illegal if the dems do it."

Can we kill all humans already, general HK?
 
Their should be bipartisan consensus that what happened here was absolutely beyond the boundaries of acceptable conduct. The faustian bargain with the American people for the existence of the FISA court and the massive intelligence apparatus is that it is to be used to target foreign actors and terrorists involved in active operations against the United States.

Yet somehow it was used to target a domestic political campaign and then later a sworn in President of the United States. That is horrifying beyond belief. The only thing that could possibly have redeemed going so far off the reservation was if they actually did find something. But they didnt.
 
I found Horowitz came off as being trustworthy enough today, I didn't always agree with him, but I never felt that he was trying to outright bullshit me either. So many of these government assholes are said to be credible and trustworthy and beyond reproach that it's basically just a running joke at this point, because they never are. But this guy I actually felt was a real deal, and his testimony reflected that. That said, whether he was actually the old war horse or not, he still came off as a horse wearing blinders, and he seemed to vacillate between being incredulous and thankful for the limiting factors on his scope at times.

But either way, something else interesting happened today regarding one of my prior posts. The other day I remarked about the dates of the Page-targeting FISA application still being redacted. Well, today that changed.

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Interdasting...
 
I found Horowitz came off as being trustworthy enough today, I didn't always agree with him, but I never felt that he was trying to outright bullshit me either. So many of these government assholes are said to be credible and trustworthy and beyond reproach that it's basically just a running joke at this point, because they never are. But this guy I actually felt was a real deal, and his testimony reflected that. That said, whether he was actually the old war horse or not, he still came off as a horse wearing blinders, and he seemed to vacillate between being incredulous and thankful for the limiting factors on his scope at times.

But either way, something else interesting happened today regarding one of my prior posts. The other day I remarked about the dates of the Page-targeting FISA application still being redacted. Well, today that changed.

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Interdasting...


Horowitz is in the sweet spot every good beurocrat wants to be in. A position of authority that does not require making the final decisions. Merely presenting things for the person who does. In this particular case that would be the Attorney General. Horowitz can afford to avoid saying whether or not laws were broken because that is not his purview
His job was to investigate whether or not policy and regulations were broken. That is the key difference between an Inspector General and a DOJ attorney.

That said there is enough here for arrests to be made. Especially that asshat who falsified evidence submitted to the court to obtain warrants.
 
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