Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

You know what? Fuck RedLetterMedia and the Plinkett character.

They're dilettantes whose criticism of the prequels apply just as much, if not more so, to the Original Trilogy. All the while, they caked their "funny" reviews with a smug spicing of superficial film critiques and arbitrary criteria for what makes and doesn't make good stories. And the worst part is that every unoriginal critic parrots their reviews as if they're some sort of gospel.

But when the egg is on their face, they're quick to denounce or qualify their previous suggestions. "Oh," they say, "we never really thought Jar Jar was a perfect fit for Star Wars! Even though we said he was amazing for Star Trek!"

Thanks, RLM. You're part of the reason we're in the timeline where JJ ruined two classic Sci-fi films.

Pretty much what I've been saying. Even if this movie were to somehow flop, Disney will never let you see this as a failure. They will even use Mandalorian to make sure you love their shit. The Dr. Aphra cartoon and Mexican Not-Kyle Katarn show are icing on the cake. They will never let us forget this shit happened. Even in old Star Wars after the prequels came along, the expanded content of then was willing to poke fun at the prequels and even dismiss George's more questionable decisions as hearsay or misunderstandings (except Traviss and that ended up biting her in the butt), but no one has the balls to go against Disney. And the worst part is that Disney's plan might work simply because of pure over-exposure and drowning out anything else. They will never let this shit go. Luke and the rest will forever always be failures living in the shadow of Almighty Rey-Sue while the galaxy becomes the playground for a bunch of Wendig clones.

People's perceptions are not under Disney's control. The amount of paid or greased-up shills and brainless consoomer drones can't stand against growing discontent or growing apathy forever.

Remember that JJ Abrams mentioned the Fandom Menace by name in a live interview. That should speak volumes about the opposition to corporatist shills and drones, if not the apathetic majority of people who aren't buying Star Wars anymore.

If a tree falls in a forest and no one's around to hear it, does it still make money?

Even the Disney animals in IX look diseased...
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Looks more like a Fallout mutant.

Looks like gouged-out eye sockets stuck inside gnome ears.

One of the one hand you have H.R. Giger and on the other hand you have this horrid shit.

2) The Force: In the PT, they use mitichlorians to provide an explanation for The Force that we never needed as well as enhancing the whole bloodlines concept that is just annoying. Actually, what sense does it make for the Jedi to not marry and procreate if the Force is a genetic trait? In the ST, the characters can seemingly do just about anything, even if it contradicts what we've already seen and they expect us to just shrug our shoulders and go "Oh the Force, that explains it". In the ST, The Force is kept mysterious enough to have a magical feel to it and the abilities it grants are extraordinary without providing excessive plot armor or stupid excuses to move from Point A to Point B. Also in the ST, the Force wielders learn and master their abilities rather than just going "Ta-da! Look what I can do now!"

It sounds like you're arguing against the basic premise of the Chosen One that the Prequels were built on. What would you rather the Prequels have been about besides the man that Darth Vader was & what made him special?

What is more, the orders from Iger, according to his book, were to play it as safe as possible.

I forgot where this originated from, but I remember hearing something about Iger demanding that TFA / Ep VII be ready for a 2015 December release, which prompted Kennedy to fire Arndt for asking for more time. Not to absolve Kennedy of anything, but I think Iger may have been right to accept the blame for "too much, too fast" when it came to Star Wars movies, and wasn't just covering for her blunders alone.

For all the ST movies, there is a consistent, pervasive aura of contempt for the veteran fanbase throughout. While TFA is nowhere near as bad about it, TLJ and TROS are utterly shameless about it. There's a reason they went out of their way to fuck over everything remotely resembling a plot thread in Episode VIII, and that's because they legitimately hated the fandom, as evidenced by their own sperg-fits on Twitter.

Perfectly put. What it boils down to is that the Prequels loved Star Wars and loved its audience. The Sequels are driven by hatred and disrespect toward both.

Like "Oh she can heal now because...MOVIE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!". There is so much "It happened so shit can keep moving" that I even wonder if it was an example of the terrible writing trope of a Mary Sue or just fundamentally bad writing from the very start.

"So stuff is just kinda happening, huh?"
"Stuff is just kinda happening."

Those shirts have nothing to do with Star Wars. It's not sponsered, created, or promoted by Lucasfilm...

It's a shitty Nike campaign promoting Air Force one shoes. That was their slogan...

What it does show is Kennedy's monumental lack of self-awareness. Not surprising considering her mismanagement of all these productions.

No, her stupid ideological bent has nothing to do with those shirts. It's putting talentless female executives in creative positions.

The consequences are the same either way. Her lack of self-awareness, coupled with a blatant disregard towards the idea of "owing men something", made her look like hardcore feminist cunt who had no business running a creative studio, let alone a male-oriented brand like Star Wars.

If it weren't for Star Wars, this little publicity stunt and probably the product line wouldn't exist and rather explicitly taunt fans. If the whole event really had nothing to do with Star Wars, why is Bad Robot plastered all over the backdrop? Hell, why the fuck is she there after being named head of Lucasfilm? This is the kind of burying-the-lead I'd expect from people like Bryan Young or Pablo Hidalgo.

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This legit looks like it comes from Ewok Adventure. That's not a compliment.

Fuck that we should all share what we would have done.

If I were put in charge starting 2012? Probably get rid of Pablo Hidalgo. I say that with the benefit of hindsight, but let's assume I'm just that astute a judge of character & an avid fan who learned everything I do now about him first-hand. The guy's a bitter, ungrateful egotist not too dissimilar from Rian, which may be part of why they get along so well.

In line with my Force Hindsight powers, I'd take a page from the Expanded Universe / Give Us Legends group and relegate Filoni's Clone Wars to it's own insular TV canon, restoring the continuity and robustly maintained canonicity of the EU up to that point. I'd be interested in a TV show similar to Rebels, with all the aesthetics and flair of the OT but without so much lolXD 4Kids flavor. Like with Clone Wars, it too would exist in the same TV canon as Clone Wars, allowing Filoni to make the show he wants without it needing to be canon with the films past and present. Meanwhile, I'd get Favreau on to do a live action show based on the Coruscant underworld and/or Boba Fett. He didn't seem to be doing any big projects from 2012-2014, so I think I could lure him in without much fuss.

This dovetails in nicely with me NOT shuttering all LucasArts projects and allowing 1313 to finish development, releasing anywhere between 2013 and 2015. This along with the TV show that George wanted would begin setting up nicely for the eventual sequel trilogy. Considering the age of the cast, I think I would go along with George's story treatments for 7, 8 and 9, but this time making sure to have the original cast all together in the first movie at some point, and not as abject fucking failures. Already a promising step-up.

I really don't like torch-pass movies because either most of them I've seen suck ass, or the most popular ones are popular because of said ass-suckage. That being said, I would be more than willing to work with Lucas on his ideas for HIS sequel trilogy. Ideally I would want the man to be satisfied with the final product, but I wouldn't want to be a yes-man or surround him with yes-men. That means working Kira and Old Man Luke in such a way that it doesn't spoil his past achievements or alienate either OT fans or EU fans. Kira would be likable, fun and refreshing to watch. She would not be another fucking Korra copypasta, but neither would she be Jaina. If anything I'd probably model her after a character like Katara or any number of strong, attractive-looking Japanese female protagonists. I don't want her beating up groups of guys by herself or showing up Luke or Palpatine with the Force because she's a whamen. I want her to have friends, be normal and be personable in the Star Wars universe. Fuck Twitter, fuck Hollywood, fuck the media. Actors can have their social media presence as long as they second-hand promote Star Wars positively and don't alienate their audience--this goes double for Trump Deranged Hamill--but Lucasfilm staff can shut the fuck up on the internet or go find a job at Gizmodo. I'm sure I can avoid that by not hiring cheap-ass woke contractors and other token hires. Luke, Han and Leia's experiences in the EU would be implied but never outright stated. OT and PT references would be absent; this ST will not depend on membaberries. The new threat or antagonist would emerge somewhere from the "microbiotic world" Lucas wanted to explore rather than just another Sith/Empire remnant that should be gone at this point.

There's my rough draft. Do I get the job?

This is something I’ve been noticing since I looked up some shit about Fallen Order and started watching RLM. Are there really that many fucking Star Wars lore spergs on YouTube? I’m seeing something in my suggested vids from some fuck named The Stupendous Wave about “Why Palpatine FEARED Jedi with Yellow Lightsabers The Most” and it has 43k views in 3 hours. Are they botting this shit? That sounds fucking asinine.

I used to watch a lot of Star Wars Reading Club and a couple of other lore chroniclers, including Stupendous Wave. Not so much anymore, but SWRC is pretty good. The standout for me is Captain Fordo and his secondary channel Manda-LORE, where he LARPs as Tadd Lar'ken: the loooore master of Mandaloooore!

 

[Adamska]

I've never actually played it. Trying to get a group of friends together for one of the mini-modules to try it out, though.

Tell me about how it goes; because Edge of Empires was very fun to play; interesting dice pool system where you had positives, negatives, advantages, and disadvantages rather than a pure dice pool.

I'd expect it's okay at least, given d20 systems are pretty solid usually.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Wow, reading through this thread after shitposting, some of the opinions here are pretty gay. Anyone saying Disney shouldn't have killed the EU should watch my favorite RedLetterMedia video ever:

Also I'm pretty sure they killed off the EU for legal reasons because Star Trek's awful, muddled canon gave them difficulties shutting down fan projects.

I'm one of the few that's still hasn't watched RLM yet (though everyone loving them makes me wanna check them out,), But I disagree with that idea.

Having some silly moments is no reason to kill the EU. I mean comic books are infamous for having ridiculous and infamous plots, yet they are all the rage right now.

The key difference is that Kevin Feige and people at Marvel use comics to mine, and refine the best material to put on-screen (like the infinity gauntlet saga), all while ignoring the ridiculous stuff nobody likes (like Spider-man doing a deal with the devil to erase his daughter from existence).

Honestly, the EU would've served as a playground for ideas that could be on the big screen. It's more of an issue of now with Disney now considering, everything, even freaking Fortnite, as canon as the OT, but that's why tiers of canon are useful: to discard bad ideas.

Star Wars has always been, primarily, live-action, in the sense that's how most people consume it. The only reason people aren't getting their pitchforks after all the horrible changes Disney's EU is doing like making Han Solo and Luke even more pathetic in comics, is that most people are only aware of the movies, and, maybe the CGI cartoons.

 

[Nobunaga]

Not joking. Someone here tried to reason that it was in the "polar ice caps" of Mustafar, but its not. The forest is actually over the ruins of Vader's castle from Rogue One. The planet is turning normal.

Did they just fucking copy the lava/ice planet from mario galaxy and added a bunch of trees?

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

As an addendum to my last comments on Star Wars lore videoooos, its thanks to them I learned about Luke's red lightsaber and his first wife turned dark side rival, Darth Lumiya, and her laser whip:

>EckhartsLadder
Yeah I know, he's a shill. Broken clocks and all that jizz. I just thought it was cool to see & hear about Luke getting jacked and developing a new fighting style.

 

[ZMOT]

I've mentioned this before, but a few old authors have spoken about Disney using their characters without credit years ago, but one such author when asked said he couldn't do anything because he gave Lucasfilm full control over what he created. Also Disney constantly re-uses characters and things from old lore on a whim and without a care, much like Thrawn. And Zahn himself has said that he has little control over the Thrawn character's fate despite creating him.

yeah, but they can still affect it, similar to how lucas disavows the ST. zahn openly shitting on disney for wasting thrawn wouldn't look good, even less if the consider the books canon. now they can say it's "their version", not his.

I don't mind that they de-canonized it, it makes sense in a lot of ways. but then going around and just ripping off some of it's worst parts is truly retarded.

 

[HeyYou]

As an addendum to my last comments on Star Wars lore videoooos, its thanks to them I learned about Luke's red lightsaber and his first wife turned dark side rival, Darth Lumiya, and her laser whip:

>EckhartsLadder
Yeah I know, he's a shill. Broken clocks and all that jizz. I just thought it was cool to see & hear about Luke getting jacked and developing a new fighting style.

Sidious had a blue lightsaber in Dark Empire, from what I recall. Say what you will about Dark Empire, but Matt Smith playing a younger Palpatine with a blue lightsaber would at least be very unique.

 

[verissimus]

@HeyYou Seriously who are those people. How is it that Rian Johnson is somehow able to muster the most disgustingly pretentious and douchiest set of shills that side of the internet and yet there is hardly anyone running around singing paeons for Tim Miller for absolutely desecrating the Terminator franchise or for Ridley Scott when it came to Alien : Covenant. I've never seen this sort of behavior prior to TLJ with the possible exception of Zack Snyder defenders, but they're nowhere near as bad.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Sidious had a blue lightsaber in Dark Empire, from what I recall. Say what you want about Dark Empire, but Matt Smith playing a younger Palpatine with a blue lightsaber would at least be very unique.

Dark Empire would've been infinitely cooler than anything we've gotten so far from Disney, but I think I'm in agreement with Zahn regarding the damage it does to both Luke and Vader's character arcs by the end of ROTJ. On the one hand you have Luke turning the Dark Side, something he vowed never to do; and on the other hand, Palpatine wasn't really dead, which minimized Vader's sacrifice and Luke's test of faith/love. I could still accept the idea of Dark Side soul transmission and clone bodies, but ehhh. Maybe not the best story to focus on or consider canon.

@HeyYou Seriously who are those people. How is it that Rian Johnson is somehow able to muster the most disgustingly pretentious and douchiest set of shills that side of the internet and yet there is hardly anyone running around singing paeons for Tim Miller for absolutely desecrating the Terminator franchise or for Ridley Scott when it came to Alien : Covenant. I've never seen this sort of behavior prior to TLJ with the possible exception of Zack Snyder defenders, but they're nowhere near as bad.

Part of if is TDS I think, but Ya Boi Zack might be onto a better explanation:

tl;dw Rian Johnson is SJW Jesus. He just hates people and wants free reign to piss everyone off except himself. Tim Miller, by contrast, seems to give a shit about stuff more but has an ego problem. Doesn't play well with others. Not particularly political or loud.

 

[HeyYou]

@HeyYou Seriously who are those people. How is it that Rian Johnson is somehow able to muster the most disgustingly pretentious and douchiest set of shills that side of the internet and yet there is hardly anyone praising Tim Miller for absolutely desecrating the Terminator franchise or the same for Ridley Scott when it came to Alien : Covenant. I've never seen this sort of behavior prior to TLJ with the possible exception of Zack Snyder defenders, but they're nowhere near as bad.

Like I said, they're really not Star Wars fans. I do hate to gatekeep, but it's a pattern that's become readily apparent. Either they've never seen a Star Wars movie before TLJ, or they're pretentious contrarians who thought the OT was schlock (hey, it kind of is, in a good way) and are absolutely giddy that they have a Star Wars movie that they think is deep and impactful. It's like they don't understand that the larger than life and mythological presentation of Star Wars was on purpose, and unless you thoroughly understand that mythology and are willing to work in it (say what you will about Avellone, he actually fucking loved Star Wars and read pretty much every expanded universe material before writing KOTOR II) you're going to end up writing a Star Wars movie that feels entirely like it came from personal, completely asinine grievances with the OT. And what do you know, Rian Johnson had asinine grievances with the OT. He should have read Traitor to learn how to examine Star Wars from within the universe itself. It's far more interesting to have philosophical debates on the Force that feel like they actually come from a fleshed out character who lives in a different universe than not-Luke basically lecturing to the camera about out of universe fan theories regarding the Jedi being failures.

Or, you're a Reylo and want to fuck Adam Driver.

 

[Creep3r]

As an addendum to my last comments on Star Wars lore videoooos, its thanks to them I learned about Luke's red lightsaber and his first wife turned dark side rival, Darth Lumiya, and her laser whip:

>EckhartsLadder
Yeah I know, he's a shill. Broken clocks and all that jizz. I just thought it was cool to see & hear about Luke getting jacked and developing a new fighting style.

I kinda see him less as a shill now and more of a "I just wanted to hope for the best" kind of asshole since he actually had the balls to speak up about what a fucking scam and shitshow the new Marvel comics are, something lesser shills haven't touched with a 10ft pole. I mean he can still be an uppity prick at times, but at least he shows that he's not completely biased like other people who went to the Disney side.

The key difference is that Kevin Feige and people at Marvel use comics to mine, and refine the best material to put on-screen (like the infinity gauntlet saga), all while ignoring the ridiculous stuff nobody likes (like Spider-man doing a deal with the devil to erase his daughter from existence).

Exactly. That's pretty much what I've been trying to get across. No one expects a 100% perfect adaptation of old stuff with both the good and bad, but a refinement of the material that even manages to turn the bad into good, and Feige proved that you could even turn something like Cosmo the Spacedog and Arnim Zola into interesting characters that actually have their own dedicated fans and crappy theorists now that won't stop talking about how they can be used in future movies in interesting ways. Feige knows how to handle his shit (at least before he got roped into making shit about nu-Marvel) and Marvel was chock full of shit, but he still managed to make it work, and he's also proven to have a genuine love for not just Marvel lore but Star Wars lore that proves that he would've made for a far better lead to Lucasfilm than the indifferent OT-milking fucks we got stuck with. Hell, Mandalorian is probably the most EU-centered piece of media Disney produced (mostly Traviss wank, whose content was controversial as fuck), and look how well that turned out for them.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

>King Diamond

This is the way

EDIT: Thanks to Chris Agar of Screen Rant for this memey banner image.

Star Wars Rise of Skywalker Box Office Half of Endgame!

 

[acmeurquhart]

Dark Empire would've been infinitely cooler than anything we've gotten so far from Disney, but I think I'm in agreement with Zahn regarding the damage it does to both Luke and Vader's character arcs by the end of ROTJ. On the one hand you have Luke turning the Dark Side, something he vowed never to do; and on the other hand, Palpatine wasn't really dead, which minimized Vader's sacrifice and Luke's test of faith/love. I could still accept the idea of Dark Side soul transmission and clone bodies, but ehhh. Maybe not the best story to focus on or consider canon.



Part of if is TDS I think, but Ya Boi Zack might be onto a better explanation:

tl;dw Rian Johnson is SJW Jesus. He just hates people and wants free reign to piss everyone off except himself. Tim Miller, by contrast, seems to give a shit about stuff more but has an ego problem. Doesn't play well with others. Not particularly political or loud.

Rian Johnson is part of some weird somethingawful-like twitter network that is hyping him up constantly.
Kumail Pakistani Banani is also part of that network, as well as film critics, directors, etc.

 

[ZMOT]

Dark Empire would've been infinitely cooler than anything we've gotten so far from Disney, but I think I'm in agreement with Zahn regarding the damage it does to both Luke and Vader's character arcs by the end of ROTJ. On the one hand you have Luke turning the Dark Side, something he vowed never to do; and on the other hand, Palpatine wasn't really dead, which minimized Vader's sacrifice and Luke's test of faith/love. I could still accept the idea of Dark Side soul transmission and clone bodies, but ehhh. Maybe not the best story to focus on or consider canon.

george lucas shitting in a box with the disney logo on it would've been cooler.
in general I didn't mind dark empire that much, the things that bothered me a bit when I read it years ago was that it also falls for the "MAKE IT BIGGER" trope and getting into too much detail, like I don't need or even wanna know that luke is basically sitting in the cage version of auschwitz trains.
as I said before palpy coming back is ok for me, because when I read it I took it more as him being that much of a sore you have to whack it more than once (and vader's sacrifice made the empire implode, so there's that). but I can see where people are coming from.

luke never going dark side... from the movies I took it more as he didn't want what it would entail, like taking sheev's candy and follow him to his van. his priority was to redeem his father first, then blow up the death star. I never had the feeling it's something he would outright dismiss if there's no harm.
I simply like it since it could be interesting, visually and for the character. dark empire touched on that a bit by making luke wonder why vader got dark in the first place and then not being able to come back without leia. as for reasons to go dark side, there can be plenty. have mara or his kids die (although that could be seen as a rehashing vader's "fall"), or just end up there on it's own without even being aware of it. you know "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and all that. or another scenario that push him over the edge.
heck in that regard I even can excuse ruin's take, since it's implied he saw what kylo would become and reacted out of reflex - and considering we know kylo is the new hitler, was luke wrong trying to nip it in the bud for a split second? because that's one of the things that bothered me about TLJ which hardly gets mentioned: luke was right.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Rian Johnson is part of some weird somethingawful-like twitter network that is hyping him up constantly.
Kumail Pakistani Banani is also part of that network, as well as film critics, directors, etc.

You mean Film Twitter?

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It figures he comes from some hive of scum and villainy or another. Apparently they're not above buying followers either; I remember reading from one of Itchy's blog posts about something looking into Johnson's 9 million Twitter followers and discovering that a good chunk of them were bots.

Also he's a manlet:

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heck in that regard I even can excuse ruin's take, since it's implied he saw what kylo would become and reacted out of reflex - and considering we know kylo is the new hitler, was luke wrong trying to nip in the bud for a split second? because that's one of the things that bothered me about TLJ which hardly gets mentioned: luke was right

He was right about what he saw, but not for turning the lightsaber on. Especially since that's what ended up pushing Ben away and leading him into Snoke's welcome arms. In essence it's the same mistake Anakin made when he betrayed Mace Windu & the Jedi: a self-fulfilling prophecy born from the fear of loss.

Rian's not stupid, he just hates you. But nothing personnel kid.

The rest of the stuff about Dark Empire I can buy. It is interesting and could work given the write writer & director. You're also right about Vader's sacrifice cutting the head of the snake.

 

[Local Hobo]

Why did they can Lord & Miller? "Into the spiderverse" came much later but it was rather competently made and was well received. I wonder what their version of Solo looked like.

Here's an example. What do you know, Reylo.

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"Selfless" = Rose preventing Finn from dying for the greater good, "pacifist" = Holdo killing thousands and thousands of people, "anti-war" = a baffling both sides are exactly the same and military-industrial complex message, "lightsaber duel not being a duel at all" = not a fucking Star Wars movie.

I suppose they are pacifists in the same way that failing to kill your enemy means you are saving a life.

Eh, no hate to the mass audiences who enjoyed this movie. I watch stupid shit too and have fun watching it with friends and family. But bluecheckmarks don't count. They aren't people. Teasing!

It takes a special type of person to sincerely believe that your likes/dislikes in movies determines who you are as a person.

 

[Jaimas]

Rian Johnson is part of some weird somethingawful-like twitter network that is hyping him up constantly.
Kumail Pakistani Banani is also part of that network, as well as film critics, directors, etc.

Weird Twitter. We used to have a lolcow wiki article on it. Same bullshit that a lot of the progtards are propped up by.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Weird Twitter

First thing that comes up when I search that is Dril.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

https://twitter.com/Hello_Tailor/status/1209190262767009792?s=20

Damn, you could cut kyber crystals with the sheer amount of edge.

"Vicrul sees himself as the harvester..."

 

[Shield Breaker]

Not joking. Someone here tried to reason that it was in the "polar ice caps" of Mustafar, but its not. The forest is actually over the ruins of Vader's castle from Rogue One. The planet is turning normal.

That was me. I just said that it should have been in a different part of the planet like where the ice caps are on a normal planet or something. You could at least handwave it away. I know that they didn't.

I see so many idiots defending this at the moment. How long do you think it will take for the spectacle to wear off? Or will it?