Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Not sure if this is Star-Wars related, but I'm gonna say this anyway as it needs to be said, every company fails at some point.
This is the second disappointment I witnessed from them after Disney+ launched to pirates enjoying torrented copies of The Mandalorian while proper customers had troubles even just logging in before various accounts got hijacked for sale on the black market the second day.

Definitively agree. Maybe it's Disney time, no king rules forever, as they say. But what makes it sad is that Star Wars itself definitively got a decline before it's time. There is such a thing as franchise fatigue, but not in the way Iger and KK think as an excuse for failing: Let me explain:

I think part of the secret of the long term success of Star Trek and Star Wars is that they knew when to "pause" for a few years and then earn a lot of money with a strong comeback.

I think Lucas understood this perfectly hence the reason he waited for 16 years before making the prequels, and why there was a 3-year gap between movies.

Yes, your die-hard fans will never get bored and will always be buying novels, audio novels, and comics during the years of drought of the main releases, but the normies (I hate that term but it fits) will get bored eventually, so it's best to retire the franchise for a few years and then capitalize on their nostalgia for a renaissance and earn a lot of money in the process with old fans bringing new people.

Don't believe me?

This era is actually the third time it happens. Star Trek second revival was during the 90's and Star Wars during the prequels. Doctor Who is currently during the decline of its second.

The ST was supposed to be the huge third renaissance of Star Wars for casuals, this time with Star Wars just releasing the finale of their trilogy Star Wars craze should be at its highest right now. But that didn't happen. ROS will be forgotten in a few months once the SJWS move to the next nerd thing to virtue signal.

All thanks KK, Rian, and J.J killing all interest on Star Wars from old fans, people are really only interested about a tv show, and although it's a cool show, that's just embarassing for Star Wars..

TL;DR: Disney might be in decline, but Star Wars didn't have to.
 
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Doesn't that take place in an alternate timeline disconnected from the original? Only thing it fucks over is Spock I think. STD seems to fuck more with things than any of JJ's shitty Trek films.
Almost. Star Trek 2009 blows up Romulus in the prime timeline. (Thanks JJ)

According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system. Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.

The same guide also tries to explain why the stupidly named "Holdo Maneuver" was only a 1 in a million thing and why nobody uses it. Suffice it to say, it sounds more bullshitty than the explanations surrounding Starkiller or Rey herself.
OH FOR FUCKS SAKE. That doesn't even fix what people disliked about the old system.

That was supposed to be Mustafar?‽ Please tell me you’re joking.
The benefits of practical effects!

Wait. I found the last one I think. His name is "Kuruk".
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He is a loner who doesn't like to be around people. He has no job. He has no friends. He likes to stay behind when the other knights go out to have fun and he rides a ship called the "Night Buzzard". His pose is very weak and on the spectrum.
He deliberately put blinders on his helmet? Because... otherwise he wouldn't be able to pay attention during life-or-death combat?
 
The same guide also tries to explain why the stupidly named "Holdo Maneuver" was only a 1 in a million thing and why nobody uses it. Suffice it to say, it sounds more bullshitty than the explanations surrounding Starkiller or Rey herself.

I’d honestly buy an explanation if it was baked into the fucking movie itself. Maybe Holdo’s doing calculations or ordering the hyperdrive to be modified. Maybe she’s luring the FO to a unique hyperspace junction. Maybe she’s waiting to be caught in a tractor beam and the perfectly timed jump will cause a cascade reaction with the power from the Supremacy’s massive reactor. Maybe the FO was foolish with how it was maneuvering in-system and the right mass shadows overlapped to set up for a devastating jump.

Anything is better. Just establish Holdo as a technical, outside-the-box commander and come up with some sort of unique setup where it’s plausible it can’t be recreated. Hell, giving her a backstory of similar gambits relying on unconventional uses of technology would give her another way for her to stand out as a rebel admiral, and would vastly improve the character.

But no, the hyperspace ram works because she’s a women and we’re all just idiot men for never trusting her or thinking of it first.

Say what you will about whether or not Star Wars was any good, it's still one of the most important cinematic properties in the 20th century onward and as a person who believes that preserving history is essential to meaningful progress, basically killing off 50% of the series before it even reboots using Walmart knockoff Expanded Universe replacements is akin to burning media. Name one modern, well known show (good or bad) that hasn't referenced Star Wars and other space operas in some way. This shit show makes vicarious mockery of even other bad media.
It honestly doesn’t matter if the OT holds up; I am a huge fan of the series and watching them recently with a close friend who had never seen them opened my eyes to some of the camp that I was oblivious to as a kid.

The main point is that the world and the story had the potential to be a goddam masterpiece with the benefit of 40 years of creative experience and modern effects, and what we got was nothing even remotely close to that. If they had a plan, hired a half decent writer, and had a director they could trust, then they could have made something truly special.

To be quite frank, I think a lot of it has to do with the growing class gap between the middle and working class public that the series always resonated with, and the trust fund art school fucks responsible for creating most of Hollywood’s media these days.
 
According to Disney shit, the school was randomly blown up by lightning from space, presumably Snoke or Palpatine's... (why didn't they just blow up Luke on hermit isle when he was weak? Or blow up the Resistance bases with that lightning?)
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Kylo Ren was apparently sleeping outside the school in a hut or shed when Luke tried to kill him and had nothing to do with the Kylombine massacre.

A hurt and confused Kylo Ren then ran off into Snoke's arms and proceeded to cream his pants.
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Snoke lives in a green house and looks like an old lady.
The Academy blowing up makes no sense. There were corpses of students laying around Luke, in the flashback.


Did they recently remove them?
 
Not sure if this is Star-Wars related, but I'm gonna say this anyway as it needs to be said, every company fails at some point.
This is the second disappointment I witnessed from them after Disney+ launched to pirates enjoying torrented copies of The Mandalorian while proper customers had troubles even just logging in before various accounts got hijacked for sale on the black market the second day.

As for why Disney is monopolizing cinema generally, it might have to do with keeping their stock (Stock code: DIS) price high and ensure that money's coming in to keep shareholders happy. As everything naturally ebbs and flows, I have a belief that monopolization to maintain their current stock will be a mere futility exercise.

The picture below is the stock price as of 01:43 PT on 24 December 2019.

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And combine that with merchandise that isn't even selling along with the Galaxy's Edge in Disneyland seeing low attendance numbers, at this point it's safe to say that Star Wars has become a money pit for Disney now.
 
Almost. Star Trek 2009 blows up Romulus in the prime timeline. (Thanks JJ)


OH FOR FUCKS SAKE. That doesn't even fix what people disliked about the old system.


The benefits of practical effects!


He deliberately put blinders on his helmet? Because... otherwise he wouldn't be able to pay attention during life-or-death combat?

ST Prime Time line isn't the same as the original time line. Due to rights issues, there's three separate time lines: Original / Paramount, Prime, and Kelvin.
 
Definitively agree. Maybe it's Disney time, no king rules forever, as they say. But what makes it sad is that Star Wars itself definitively got a decline before it's time. There is such a thing as franchise fatigue, but not in the way Iger and KK think as an excuse for failing: Let me explain:

I think part of the secret of the long term success of Star Trek and Star Wars is that they knew when to "pause" for a few years and then earn a lot of money with a strong comeback.

I think Lucas understood this perfectly hence the reason he waited for 16 years before making the prequels, and why there was a 3-year gap between movies.

Yes, your die-hard fans will never get bored and will always be buying novels, audio novels, and comics during the years of drought of the main releases, but the normies (I hate that term but it fits) will get bored eventually, so it's best to retire the franchise for a few years and then capitalize on their nostalgia for a renaissance and earn a lot of money in the process with old fans bringing new people.

Don't believe me?

This era is actually the third time it happens. Star Trek second revival was during the 90's and Star Wars during the prequels. Doctor Who is currently during the decline of its second.

The ST was supposed to be the huge third renaissance of Star Wars for casuals, this time with Star Wars just releasing the finale of their trilogy Star Wars craze should be at its highest right now. But that didn't happen. ROS will be forgotten in a few months once the SJWS move to the next nerd thing to virtue signal.

All thanks KK, Rian, and J.J killing all interest on Star Wars from old fans, people are really only interested about a tv show, and although it's a cool sow, that's just embarassing for Star Wars..

TL;DR: Disney might be in decline, but Star Wars didn't have to.
I think the biggest issue was that Disney tried to "Marvelize" Star Wars from the outset, without understanding why that would be a poor decision.

Part of the reason why I believe Marvel has had a decade-long streak of well-received movies, from moderate successes to biggest-movie-ever successes (even if they had to rerelease with a few more minutes just to edge out Avatar), is because of the variety inherent with adapting a multitude of capeshit stories. Each new movie is either introducing a new hero, or revisiting an older one after having a few years away from them. Marvel didn't release all three Thor movies back-to-back, they dropped a few movies in between, so by the time you see him again, you're excited once more. Maybe not the best example, but you get my point. Like you said, there was room to breathe for individual characters/groups, even if you were still seeing Marvel movies every few months.

Marvel also built up relatively slowly over time, for modern Hollywood anyway. In a day and age when we get three Marvel movies almost every year, it's easy to forget sometimes that it took them five years to start consistently releasing two movies a year, and four more after that to get to the three movie point. (As an aside, next year only has two, but 2021 has four, so they're still averaging three per year.) Considering how something of its scale had never been tried before, it makes sense that they'd start small, drop teasers, get people interested, and work up to the first big crossover. And after the wild success of The Avengers, that's when the rapid expansion began.

So why didn't it work for Star Wars? For the first point, the trilogy movies are following the same characters through a (supposedly) cohesive storyline, so it's important not to wear out your audience by dropping each chapter so quickly. There's no anticipation or buildup, no hype generation. Having that extra year between movies could have made a world of difference both in their production and in their reception.

This did get me thinking about why this doesn't apply to the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and I think I have an answer for that. Aside from just being much better movies, this was a major high fantasy production, something that wasn't all that common in Hollywood at the time, or even today. It also helps that the filming for the whole trilogy was completed before Fellowship even came out, so the editing and visual effects could be wrapped up fairly quickly for each movie. Because of the novelty, audiences were not only eager to watch the following movies, they did so in droves. We'd seen six Star Wars movies by the time TFA opened, not counting Clone Wars, so even if people were excited, it was mostly seeing things we'd seen before.

To the second point, it's clear that Disney wanted to make their $4 billion investment back as quickly as possible, and the only way they were going to do that would be to get as many butts in theaters as they could. Short of building more theaters or strongarming theaters into more showings, they needed to produce a bunch of movies to get people to show up and watch them. Alternating between trilogy movies and anthology movies might have worked, to be honest, but multiple things worked against Disney here. There was the aforementioned scheduling problem of rushing too much out too fast, of course; instead of alternating every year, maybe every one and a half years between trilogy-anthology-trilogy would have been better, giving each movie three years of development time.

And the other problem was all the executive meddling, from Kathleen shoehorning her garbage ideas (probably the entirety of Rey's character, Phasma) to forcing out directors that had their own ideas and replacing them with yes-men that would do what the studio said. There's all the stuff from the Rogue One trailers that never showed up in the film, and of course we'll never see the Lord/Miller cut of Solo. Colin Trevorrow got out after the disaster that was TLJ, and I don't blame him.

This has gotten a bit rambling on my end because I'm up far later than I should be, so I'll wrap up with this: Disney didn't know what the fuck they were doing when they bought Lucasfilm. All Iger wanted was yet another property he could sink his claws into and whore out to the masses, but thanks to a bunch of incompetent morons (Iger included), it's nowhere near the blockbuster series he wants it to be.
 
and still, luke just turns the lightsaber on, he doesn't decapitate kylo outright. it's an interesting dilemma. I also disagree that it's "out of character" - a lot can happen over the years, no one behaves in his 40/50s like it's his late teens (unless you're eric butts) and everybody has his weakpoints. luke not being the idealistic, maybe borderline naive kid anymore isn't that far fetched.

I agree that killing baby Hitler is an interesting dilemma, but in the interest of appealing to your argument, why would Luke still be so impulsive and emotional well into his 40s/50s? He's had more than enough time to understand how and why his father fell to the Dark Side. Weak points aside, it stands to reason he would've known better than to be standing over his nephew's bed with his lightsaber at the ready. He learned this lesson in Empire.

"Anyone who doesn't like The Last Jedi is a troll!"

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Where will this guy be in 5 years? Who wants to bet he'll still be working for Lucasfilm?
 
I think the biggest issue was that Disney tried to "Marvelize" Star Wars from the outset, without understanding why that would be a poor decision.

Yeah, I agree, definitively having such varied genres and characters is what is making the MCU so long-lived. If they play their cards right, now with the X-men and fantastic four additions, I think they added many more years of lifespan to the MCU.

But I think that even the MCU will eventually need to end, and we will get a rebooted MCU one day.

To clarify, I'm not saying making many movies is bad. Solo and the ST could've been great and we wouldn't be here well griefing. Nobody has ever complained about getting too many good movies.

I am talking about letting a franchise rest before a strong comeback, not about "making too many movies is bad".


Again, I view franchise lifespan as alternating between periods of "Golden age (lots of new material)" and " droughts of content (for casuals)".

This did get me thinking about why this doesn't apply to the Lord of the Rings trilogy,

As for the Lord of the rings, I think it's more due to the fact that it is a closed story with zero chance of sequels. There's just no way of expanding it as of now. Tolkien didn't' write sequels and his son won't allow anyone to write fanfic continuations of middle earth. The only thing Peter Jackson could do was pretend the hobbit was another LOTR.

Yes, Tolkien wrote other things like The Silmarillion, but Frodo's story is over.
 
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Doesn't that take place in an alternate timeline disconnected from the original? Only thing it fucks over is Spock I think. STD seems to fuck more with things than any of JJ's shitty Trek films.
In order for JJ-Trek to exist, they had to create an event in the original timeline. The star in the Romulus system turned into a supernova in the blink of an eye. It's also the basis for Kurtzman-Trek new series about old man Picard.
 
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Article seems to suggest Disney could have left the scene in and got a higher age rating, but they caved and cut it. Very brave and stunning.
 

Article seems to suggest Disney could have left the scene in and got a higher age rating, but they caved and cut it. Very brave and stunning.

I didn't know about this at all even though I live on this yellow fever-infested country that loves political correctness while deepthroating white man cock because that's how much I don't care for the Rat's Star Wars.
 
There's a part of me that honestly wants to punch every idiot who unironically participated in this hashtag. Like, they're acting like The Last Jedi, the movie that universally killed people's interest in Star Wars, is one of the greatest movies ever made. Like they actually think this is good. They liked the 'yo mama' jokes, Canto Bight, Rose Tico, Holdo, Rey being a mary sue, Luke's character getting retconned, Holdo's lightspeed sacrifice destroying the established lore, that horrible subplot with Finn and Rose doing next to nothing, traveling to a planet of child slavery just to free some random horses, the force fed political subtext, Snoke being a wasted villain, and going against the themes that George established in the original 6 movies. And that's not even half of what was wrong with it.

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Thoughts and Feels, +1s, <3's and, Likes won't get you a multibazillion dollar trilogy deal. 20,000 people used something that's .000000001% of movie going people? Means fuckall to boomer corporate brass and shareholders that have Disney's CxO's balls* in vices.


*Jesus Christ, 3 top Disney board members are women. Had no idea, bet they still have someone balls in jars though.
 
It wasn't made for 30-40 something year old men either. It was made for 7-13 year old boys.
this got me thinking - is there anything in the new trilogy that is actually 'cool' in the eyes of little boys?

i remember when i was a kid and the prequels were releasing, they were full of super cool shit. darth maul and his double light saber, the droidekas, count dooku's entire character, the sick space fight scene between obi wan and jango fett in that asteroid belt, the pod race, the massive battle of droids against clones at the end of episode 2, we all absolutely loved that shit.

now when i look a these sequel movies, i barely see anything that i woul have thought of as cool and awesome when i was a kid. kylo ren freezing the blaster shot at the beginning of TFA was pretty good, and if he had just kept on the mask for the entire movie and kept his mouth shut more then he would probably have been a cool villain like maul was, but he just turned out to be a whiny emo kid, and that's really unappealing.
 
Not sure if this is Star-Wars related, but I'm gonna say this anyway as it needs to be said, every company fails at some point.
This is the second disappointment I witnessed from them after Disney+ launched to pirates enjoying torrented copies of The Mandalorian while proper customers had troubles even just logging in before various accounts got hijacked for sale on the black market the second day.

As for why Disney is monopolizing cinema generally, it might have to do with keeping their stock (Stock code: DIS) price high and ensure that money's coming in to keep shareholders happy. As everything naturally ebbs and flows, I have a belief that monopolization to maintain their current stock will be a mere futility exercise.

You are missing the key metric, it's not a 1D you have to look at it's the time from Thursday to Tuesday. Normally a successful box office movie pumps the stock up with people putting in offers over the weekend to trade for when the Monday bell hits.

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Down $5ish over the course of the last 5 days (Thurs-Monday). 3% ($5/$148 )value of a share loss over the weekend. 3% of the company's value wiped off the map in 5 days. I can't find how many millions of shares disney has and what type is out there to see what $$$ impact it is and this is all subjective as the value could shoot up $20 after new years, who knows.

Also:


DIS will be looking to display strength as it nears its next earnings release. The company is expected to report EPS of $1.48, down 19.57% from the prior-year quarter. Our most recent consensus estimate is calling for quarterly revenue of $21.14 billion, up 38.15% from the year-ago period.

DIS's full-year Zacks Consensus Estimates are calling for earnings of $5.36 per share and revenue of $81.50 billion. These results would represent year-over-year changes of -7.11% and +17.14%, respectively.

Made more money, stock holders making less. That's not good.
 
this got me thinking - is there anything in the new trilogy that is actually 'cool' in the eyes of little boys?

i remember when i was a kid and the prequels were releasing, they were full of super cool shit. darth maul and his double light saber, the droidekas, count dooku's entire character, the sick space fight scene between obi wan and jango fett in that asteroid belt, the pod race, the massive battle of droids against clones at the end of episode 2, we all absolutely loved that shit.

now when i look a these sequel movies, i barely see anything that i woul have thought of as cool and awesome when i was a kid. kylo ren freezing the blaster shot at the beginning of TFA was pretty good, and if he had just kept on the mask for the entire movie and kept his mouth shut more then he would probably have been a cool villain like maul was, but he just turned out to be a whiny emo kid, and that's really unappealing.

Poe is ok in TFA, as well as Finn. At least, they had decent foundations.

But as far as something destinctly cool? Everything is wasted, especially Finn and the design of Phasma..

Mandalorian, on the other hand, tons of cool shit. Guy may have his foundation in Boba Fett. But, he gets lots of iconic stuff, cool rifle, ship, competent companions, developing rogue gallery etc etc...
 
There's a part of me that honestly wants to punch every idiot who unironically participated in this hashtag. Like, they're acting like The Last Jedi, the movie that universally killed people's interest in Star Wars, is one of the greatest movies ever made. Like they actually think this is good. They liked the 'yo mama' jokes, Canto Bight, Rose Tico, Holdo, Rey being a mary sue, Luke's character getting retconned, Holdo's lightspeed sacrifice destroying the established lore, that horrible subplot with Finn and Rose doing next to nothing, traveling to a planet of child slavery just to free some random horses, the force fed political subtext, Snoke being a wasted villain, and going against the themes that George established in the original 6 movies. And that's not even half of what was wrong with it.

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Found another one. His bio doesn't sound as edgelordy as the rest, but I keep reading his name as Cardio.
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He likes burning things by using an "arm cannon". His coat is made from some kind of worm that's never been mentioned in anything before. Strange thing is that the flammable "gel" he uses sounds like something the Vong used to use. This is the second time the Vong have been referenced in Disney shit, the first time being one of their creatures being mentioned in Galaxy's Edge. How exactly do they even fit into this shit timeline? Especially if Disney replaced them with other skull-faced dudes called Grysks?

The picture says "Just as deadly with his left hand.":story:

Virgin vs. Chad memes are now canon in Star Wars.
 
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