General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

1. They're an incel and it allows them to self-sexualise as if it's another female
2. They're an incel and it allows to to have sex with other tranny's (there was one in a thread recently who defended it for that reason, I think it was called "tranny-maxing")
3. They want the oppression points and attention
4. If they were allowed to play in special olympics they would to win, but instead they'll settle for dominating the women's competition.

5. Guys who are gaming the system to get a job more easily (places like google with diversity quotas are probably more likely to hire women), get free booze (https://www.miaminewtimes.com/music...-of-the-week-in-miami-if-youre-a-lady-8462551) or get lower car insurance rates https://nypost.com/2018/07/30/man-legally-changes-gender-to-get-cheaper-car-insurance-report/

Really, any rights that are usually exclusive to one sex can probably be abused by troons.

 

[Terrorist]

Time to call "trans panic" what it is: Self-defense by a straight male rape victim against a homosexual rapist, using lethal force if necessary.

 

[AnOminous]

Time to call "trans panic" what it is: Self-defense by a straight male rape victim against a homosexual rapist, using lethal force if necessary.

That isn't the usual scenario, though. It's always some dude fucks a tranny, almost always one who looks like an obvious dude and it's unbelievable they were actually fooled, then after he cooms he's disgusted with himself and murders the tranny.

 

[Bob's Vagene]

So I have a question. I was going to make a topic but then saw this one.

What do people think about "gender dysphoria". Is it a real thing? Is it very common? Is it very common in people who identify as trans? Or is identifying as 'trans' often more of a fetish?

I'm a bit torn, but I have a hard time believing most of them have any "dysphoria" at all.

One type of example that messes with my head...

People like this, who claim they suffered from such terrible "gender dysphoria" -- yet if that's the case, why do so many of them look so masculine before "transitioning"? You say you suffered from terrible gender dysphoria... ok, but why would you choose to look like that (on the left) even as a guy? Like you're walking around with a beard and you're crying about having terrible gender dysphoria...

Maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think if a person were actually 'trans' and hated being the gender they were born as, they would present themselves in a more female way naturally.. like a super femme gay guy for instance (blaire white is an example I can think of.. even as a teen he looked gay af).

I don't know, I personally think in a lot of cases it's more of a fetish, where they get turned on by presenting as female....

And don't get me started with the "NB" bullshit where people think they can look like both (chick with a beard) and everyone should just accept it.

Thoughts?

 

[Lord Xenu]

So I have a question. I was going to make a topic but then saw this one.

What do people think about "gender dysphoria". Is it a real thing? Is it very common? Is it very common in people who identify as trans? Or is identifying as 'trans' often more of a fetish?

I'm a bit torn, but I have a hard time believing most of them have any "dysphoria" at all.

One type of example that messes with my head...

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People like this, who claim they suffered from such terrible "gender dysphoria" -- yet if that's the case, why do so many of them look so masculine before "transitioning"? You say you suffered from terrible gender dysphoria... ok, but why would you choose to look like that (on the left) even as a guy? Like you're walking around with a beard and you're crying about having terrible gender dysphoria...

Maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think if a person were actually 'trans' and hated being the gender they were born as, they would present themselves in a more female way naturally.. like a super femme gay guy for instance (blaire white is an example I can think of.. even as a teen he looked gay af).

I don't know, I personally think in a lot of cases it's more of a fetish, where they get turned on by presenting as female....

And don't get me started with the "NB" bullshit where people think they can look like both (chick with a beard) and everyone should just accept it.

Thoughts?

Post-Midlife Crisis/Divorce dudes like this used to spend $80,000 on a Vette or a Porsche, now they spend it to cut their dicks off. Progress.

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

It's clear to me that this isn't a choice, because some of the people I've grown up with have come out as trans and to be honest, looking back on my past with them, I can see it. The way they disregard gendered clothes aimed at them in early childhood, to when puberty hits in middle school and they're hiding in the office, crying because they were made fun of for wearing clothes and acting in ways that don't correlate with their birth sex and they don't know why it hurt more than it should've. In high school it's even worse, the halls becoming battlegrounds for insults and other hurtful remarks hurled their way. Sometimes things were actually thrown at them, from pencils to punches, and the bullying didn't stop until graduation. Of course, that's more on the extreme end.

Transgenderism is overstated. The ones that are diagnosed now don't pass at all and act just like their biological sex. If it was accurately diagnosed than we see less aggressive transwomen and less soyboyish transmales. We'll see more of the ones that you describe. Transgenderism won't be hated as much. Unfortunately, greedy doctors will keep diagnosing people who aren't actually trans.

I agree with you on this so much. Starting from when I was in my (pre)teens until today I've never dressed like society wants me to only because of my biological gender. I also don't act like it. Or have the interests I 'should' have.

There was a time in my life where I was crying my eyes out because I was "different" than others. It got as far as me getting into trouble with my friends' parents at sleepover since they didn't believe I was the same gender as their kid. And thought we'd have sexy time when everyone was asleep.... fun times.

If I had more 'woke' parents, I'd probably be transsexual by now and feel miserable. But they've always just regarded it as it is: A character trait. It helped me accept who I am and just tell society to fuck off with their stupid standards I don't feel like sticking to.

Do I have problems nowadays finding/holding a proper job, interacting with other people, keeping friendships or a relationship even tho I don't act like my biological gender? No. Nothing.

I am just not sold on the idea that so many people are getting bullied at a certain age by their peers solely for being a 'feminine man' or a 'tomboyish female'. At some point most adults around you just stop giving a shit. And the ones you don't? Why listen to them in the first place?

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/tranny-sideshows-on-social-media.33028/post-5779811

I think crossdressers look hotter because they aren't pumping themselves with cancerous hormones and bone thinning, peter pan puberty blockers.

Puberty blockers give me the vibe of legalized pedophilia. The people who take them never mature biologically but they're legally adults so pedos can find an alternative to fucking actual kids. Plus the bone thinning properties makes it harder to run.

 

[Spastic Colon]

So I have a question. I was going to make a topic but then saw this one.

What do people think about "gender dysphoria". Is it a real thing? Is it very common? Is it very common in people who identify as trans? Or is identifying as 'trans' often more of a fetish?

I'm a bit torn, but I have a hard time believing most of them have any "dysphoria" at all.

One type of example that messes with my head...

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People like this, who claim they suffered from such terrible "gender dysphoria" -- yet if that's the case, why do so many of them look so masculine before "transitioning"? You say you suffered from terrible gender dysphoria... ok, but why would you choose to look like that (on the left) even as a guy? Like you're walking around with a beard and you're crying about having terrible gender dysphoria...

Maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think if a person were actually 'trans' and hated being the gender they were born as, they would present themselves in a more female way naturally.. like a super femme gay guy for instance (blaire white is an example I can think of.. even as a teen he looked gay af).

I don't know, I personally think in a lot of cases it's more of a fetish, where they get turned on by presenting as female....

And don't get me started with the "NB" bullshit where people think they can look like both (chick with a beard) and everyone should just accept it.

Thoughts?

It's all mental illness, just different flavors of it. I do have sympathy for the ones who have true gender dysphoria. They generally aren't the ones running around screaming "It's ma'am" or trying to get lesbians to sleep with them. But they are still mentally ill. And it may actually be some other undiagnosed illness causing the gender dysphoria.

The rest are either porn produced or social contagion.

Spoiler: Personal Anecdote - Take with a grain of salt, of course

Bit of a power level and lengthy (sorry), but I'll give you my only 2 experiences with people I know who had "gender dysphoria":

Case 1: Young man with family history of mental illness (as in his grandfather spent the last 3 decades of his life in a mental institution and his aunt used to try to mow her lawn with a plastic chair and other assorted crazy behaviors). Suddenly decides he wants to be a woman. His mother takes him to a psychiatrist and expresses her doubt because of the family history. Is told that she should just accept that he is a woman and the problem is her reluctance to accept it, not that he is crazy. So, she does. One night, he decides that he can't wait anymore to become a woman. He slices off his own penis. He is rushed to the ER where they are able to reattach it. He also gets put in the psych ward where he is finally diagnosed as schizophrenic, put on medication and his gender dysphoria disappears. In fact, he gets married and has 2 kids. He shouldn't have, because he's crazy, but that's a whole 'nother issue. Psychiatrist was wrong. Mom was right.

Case 2: Young middle school aged girl announces out of the blue that she is now a boy and wants to be referred to by new name and male pronouns. Parents are taken aback, but liberal people generally. They want her to see a counselor before she socially transitions. She accuses them of trying to "pray away the gay" even though they are a mixed faith family that never attends any religious services. She refuses to see a psychiatrist and claims her parents are trying to do conversion therapy on her even though parents offer to find one who specializes in LGBQT issues. Parents refuse to use new name or acknowledge she is a boy. After a while, she loses interests and never mentions it again. Turns out, her best friend had just come out as a "pansexual genderfluid lesbian who only dates boys". And I wish that were an exaggeration. It made her popular at school, especially with the boys because she would talk a lot about dildos and other sex stuff (they checked out the friend's social media). She came from a pretty devout Jewish family, so parents never had any concerns she might be a bad influence. So, this girl was jealous of the attention her best friend got and wanted boys to pay attention to her, too. That is literally the only reason. And, if it had gotten her attention, she would have continued down that path if her parents let her. Which may not be a big deal if the only thing she did was socially transition. But, if she had started hormone treatment, it could have been a disaster.

 

[Wallace]

So I have a question. I was going to make a topic but then saw this one.

What do people think about "gender dysphoria". Is it a real thing? Is it very common? Is it very common in people who identify as trans? Or is identifying as 'trans' often more of a fetish?

I'm a bit torn, but I have a hard time believing most of them have any "dysphoria" at all.

One type of example that messes with my head...

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People like this, who claim they suffered from such terrible "gender dysphoria" -- yet if that's the case, why do so many of them look so masculine before "transitioning"? You say you suffered from terrible gender dysphoria... ok, but why would you choose to look like that (on the left) even as a guy? Like you're walking around with a beard and you're crying about having terrible gender dysphoria...

Maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think if a person were actually 'trans' and hated being the gender they were born as, they would present themselves in a more female way naturally.. like a super femme gay guy for instance (blaire white is an example I can think of.. even as a teen he looked gay af).

I don't know, I personally think in a lot of cases it's more of a fetish, where they get turned on by presenting as female....

And don't get me started with the "NB" bullshit where people think they can look like both (chick with a beard) and everyone should just accept it.

Thoughts?

The problem is that the definition of gender dysphoria is so broad that most teenagers would meet the criteria, and transitioning is peddled as the only cure. Nobody likes going through puberty, especially if you're a young girl who has received some fucked up messages about sex and sexuality from social media. Disappointment and frustration aren't really dysphoria, IMO, especially if they are temporary. Dysphoria is more of an incongruity with your sense of self. It's the difference between looking outside and seeking a cloudy sky versus seeing a pink polka dot sky.

So yeah, ROGDs are either incels looking to gain some social advantage or kids getting fucked hard by puberty and looking for some relief from their social anxiety.

 

[Jason Wynn]

I have friends that are trans who I genuinely believe have dysphoria. They're not obnoxious or psychotic about it, and just want to go about their life in peace without making waves. Those people I'll call by their preferred pronouns and show them the same respect I'd want.

The problem is that the goalposts keep getting moved further and further back, and the nutjob troons keep trying to redefine what trans means, just like the nutjob faggots keep trying to redefine and pidgeonhole how gay men are "supposed" to act and what to believe. That's where I have a problem. The little girl who's a bit of a tomboy is not trans. The guy who likes baking isn't "totes a girl yo!" The fatshit smelly neckbeard with three day old beard stubble crammed into a maternity dress not even trying to pass is not a trans person.

The loony troonies just hopping on the bandwagon because trans is the new edgy rebellious thing only manage to fuck things up for the real transgendered people, who now get lumped in with the re.tards LARPing it up, stigmatized as a pack of degenerates and more. The normie gays did (and still are) dealing with a similar situation by letting the inmates run the asylum and not speaking out condemning the deviancy portrayed to the public in our name.

The actual trans people have my sympathy, but there really needs to be a major backlash against the modern LGBT community and everything it's managed to undo.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I have friends that are trans who I genuinely believe have dysphoria

Who doesn't?

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

People like this, who claim they suffered from such terrible "gender dysphoria" -- yet if that's the case, why do so many of them look so masculine before "transitioning"? You say you suffered from terrible gender dysphoria... ok, but why would you choose to look like that (on the left) even as a guy? Like you're walking around with a beard and you're crying about having terrible gender dysphoria...

Maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it doesn't make much sense to me. You'd think if a person were actually 'trans' and hated being the gender they were born as, they would present themselves in a more female way naturally.. like a super femme gay guy for instance (blaire white is an example...)

I'm very much a TERF, though consider it like this.

Not all gay men "present" as the stereotype, and not infrequently some of the most closeted go to the greatest extremes to cover it up through over compensating by doing very stereotypically masculine things (which, ironically makes them far more attractive generally to gay men I've found; once you're past 21 you're past it as a femme twink, come 25 unless you've got really good genes you'll just look sad). "Straight" presenting is always by far the most desired even amongst non binary loons and age doesn't matter much.

If you genuinely are trying to reject or cover up homosexuality, being ultra sporty and religious has long been a favourite for trying to cover it up. It's likely the same for someone with dysphoria who doesn't want to accept they have dysphoria or transition either.

 

[Lemmingwise]

That isn't the usual scenario, though. It's always some dude fucks a tranny, almost always one who looks like an obvious dude and it's unbelievable they were actually fooled, then after he cooms he's disgusted with himself and murders the tranny.

Trans panic defense has only ever once kinda worked (reduced sentencing) and didn't work ever since, but boy are there a lot of claims like it's an out of jail free card.

If anything, all those claims are probably harming trans people by suggesting to criminally minded people that they could get away with killing a tranny.

 

[AnOminous]

Trans panic defense has only ever once kinda worked (reduced sentencing) and didn't work ever since, but boy are there a lot of claims like it's an out of jail free card.

If anything, all those claims are probably harming trans people by suggesting to criminally minded people that they could get away with killing a tranny.

And the kind of people who commit impulsive murders are generally pretty fucking stupid, dumb enough to actually believe something like that without thinking it through, and thus become more likely actually to do it.

 

[Lemmingwise]

And the kind of people who commit impulsive murders are generally pretty fucking stupid, dumb enough to actually believe something like that without thinking it through, and thus become more likely actually to do it.

True.

It's also worth pointing out that most of these are tranny prostitutes. Not that it justifies it, but it helps understanding if you look at the numbers.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Fun anecdote: asked an OBGYN today, who works in Downtown LA, if she examines F2Ms parts. I bring up DTLA, because it is not Southern Illinois, or South Dakota.

She said "no I have never seen that. I would find it interesting. I do see F2Ms because they are still female." She told me that post-op m2f have their own specialists.

So there are special tranny gynocologists? Or who do they see, to make sure that cancers and infections don't set in?

Basically I get the sense that there are a lot more people acting like trannies, then who are the real deal.

 

[Piss Bear]

Who doesn't?

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Thank you. I am so fucking sick of trans people using this word as if it only means gender dysphoria. It’s extremely common for most people to feel dysphoria, whether it be about their face not matching the ideal face they want to have (thus, why people get plastic surgery) or people feeling overweight when they really aren’t at all (anorexia) and so on. Most people feel varying degrees of dysphoria. And trans people are treating their dysphoria the worst way possible; by believing it’s true.

Dysphoria doesn’t just go away on its own, don’t get me wrong. But you can treat it with therapy and meds to help quiet it down, or distract yourself by doing something productive. Gender dysphoria can be uniquely nasty to deal with, but it can be overcome.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Thank you. I am so fucking sick of trans people using this word as if it only means gender dysphoria. It’s extremely common for most people to feel dysphoria, whether it be about their face not matching the ideal face they want to have (thus, why people get plastic surgery) or people feeling overweight when they really aren’t at all (anorexia) and so on. Most people feel varying degrees of dysphoria. And trans people are treating their dysphoria the worst way possible; by believing it’s true.

Dysphoria doesn’t just go away on its own, don’t get me wrong. But you can treat it with therapy and meds to help quiet it down, or distract yourself by doing something productive. Gender dysphoria can be uniquely nasty to deal with, but it can be overcome.

I think that in some cases, a good therapist can unravel the person's anxiety, at the source. One major problem (their words, not mine) is binary thinking. It is like women want to be men, and men who want to be women, because having a vagina or having facial hair gives them a pass to feel certain ways, wear certain clothing and act certain ways.

But when you really break it down, the only measurable and indisputable differences between males and females, are their role in human reproduction. The rest is a matter of gender roles that are comfortable and convenient for the majority, but by no means universal.

For example, realistically speaking, men can not breast-feed. If you are not born with that estroenating X chromosome, breast feeding is just not one of your options.

However, there is no actual real reason, for why a man can not wear a dress. Or for why a man can't wear lipstick, or heals. Maybe you will be seen as odd, but if you want to wear pearls and pumps, you don't need to be castrated in order to do so. And you can even find a circle of friends who do the same weird shit. Wanting to wear a dress also doesn't make you a woman. A dress consists of a few panels of fabric sewn together. You could cut it down to fabric and reshape it into a shirt ... Pearls are things that grow in mollusks shells. Etc etc. Men can work as receptionists, child care workers, whatever. At the end of the day these jobs don't feminize women, so a man who gravitates toward those jobs does not feminizes, either.

If you don't attach politics and gender into objects as mundane as panels of fabric, telephones and cooking spoons, then you can detach from these items as being identity-building.

I am concerned that some people are not feeling dysphoria about how their individual bodies navigate the social and physical worlds, but rather a sense of guilt and discomfort at the perceived incongruity between their biological sex and the lifestyle toward which they gravitate.

And with time, people mature and often realize that whatever it was, wasn't what they thought it was. In the case of people having a full-blown surgical sex-change, they can't return to what nature a.k.a. their DNA designed.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Thank you. I am so fucking sick of trans people using this word as if it only means gender dysphoria. It’s extremely common for most people to feel dysphoria, whether it be about their face not matching the ideal face they want to have (thus, why people get plastic surgery) or people feeling overweight when they really aren’t at all (anorexia) and so on. Most people feel varying degrees of dysphoria. And trans people are treating their dysphoria the worst way possible; by believing it’s true.

Dysphoria doesn’t just go away on its own, don’t get me wrong. But you can treat it with therapy and meds to help quiet it down, or distract yourself by doing something productive. Gender dysphoria can be uniquely nasty to deal with, but it can be overcome.

They dont know my pain.. Bullied for being ugly, deformed, fat, nerdy, unattractive, stunted? I was born into the wrong body.. I was happy only for those 18 years because I didn't know! 18 years of happiness I now feel I shouldn't have, while they suffered for 18 years only to have it eventually fixed by professionals! I had to buy illegal drugs off of the black market, just like my internet friends taught me!

Transitioning isn't waiting. Go fucking learn how to style your hair, buy reasonable clothes, pad your bra. HRT doesn't change shit; transitioning is finally putting effort into yourself. Incels struggle with the idea of doing something out of themselves, so they never just get good looking and develop a personality. Trannies on the other hand, are groomed into thinking these placebo pills do fuck all but twist their mood, which in return justifies putting effort into themselves suddenly. YouTube has an endless amount of videos of women going from literal ogres to bangable babes in the exact same way trannies either pass or they don't. It's 90% effort, but they see one rare case of good HR genetics and think that's what it takes.

Drag queens pass more than trannies. James Charles is more feminine than cows going on 8th year of femmy pills. Make something out of yourself and develop past the "skirts and stockings are hot" phase and you might have a chance. Yeah. Wait. Waiting is why you had to become a grown-ass man before putting in effort, and now you got crow's feet. Good job.

 

[snailslime]

transgender people trigger me

 

[A Logging Company]

Can people familiar with trans culture tell me of the metaphor and terms of being "an egg" and "an egg waiting to hatch" are new? I find the terminology very creepy, as it sounds like something a hypnotist would say to plant hypnotic commands "Imagine yourself as an egg, waiting to hatch. as I count down from 10, see the egg shell beginning to crack...and when the egg cracks, a new you will emerge."

There is this metamorphosis angle to it, that reminds me of alleged "Monarch Mind Control", which supposedly uses butterflies as its secret logo, since caterpillars metamorphose into butterflies. The metaphore of an egg waiting to hatch or hatching reminds me of that.

EDIT: Found an example in the SA thread