General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Non-Expert!]

Well the catch with Prozac, is that it is so effective at managing depression, that people are finally feeling better. Then their mood lifts just enough to enable them to kill themselves, or others, if that is what they wanted to do.

Or at least that is how the argument was presented to me.

When you are really, really depressed, in some cases you can't think clearly enough to orchestrate your own suicide or mass murder.

 

[Terrorist]

That isn't the usual scenario, though. It's always some dude fucks a tranny, almost always one who looks like an obvious dude and it's unbelievable they were actually fooled, then after he cooms he's disgusted with himself and murders the tranny.

That's my take too, but in the cases where the guy was genuinely fooled, I still think trans deception = rape.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Well, to be fair I just kinda skimmed it,

You might actually want to READ the article. Lol.

I think the assumption that the title suggests indoctrinating kids to BE lgbt isn't an obvious one.

There are a lot of lies / unfactual things that come with lgbt indoctrination. For example, giving the stats on the promiscuity and stds of gay men is a stricly verboten topic (average sexual partners over 500, 1% of population, 80% of syphilis cases) So is giving the stats of abuse in lesbian relationships (the highest of any relationship type).

More importantly any type of negative consequences of homosexuality is blamed on those who aren't accepting enough of it, as if they're driven to do these have many sexual partners, unsafe sex and abusing partners due to being marginalised, as if we still live in a time where stonewall rights could happen, rather than in a time where coming out as gay helps give a shield after being accused of sexual misconduct towards minors (kevin spacey).

This isn't to say that there are never lies or smallmindedness on the other side of the isle, but the fact that these sourcable, data driven facts from studies are not allowed to be a topic of discussion in lgbt "education" should tell you something about the motives.

It's the same thing if you watch drag queen story hour videos/interviews. There absolutely is only room for you to consider it amazing/positive/progress.

Or if you look at the "queer kids" show on youtube, that is aimed at kindergartners and has such confusing lines in the theme song as "gay means happy".

 

[Pitere pit]

True Story:

Baby Sister (~2) and Little Boy/Big Brother (5) (seriously they respond to those names) were playing and I explained to him that they won't be little forever and Baby sister will grow up and become a woman someday, just like Mommy.

Him: a woman?
Me: yes, and maybe Baby Sister will become a Mommy too, when she grows up.
Him: I am bigger then Babysister. Baby Sister gets big, too.
Me: well yes, Men are bigger then women. Do you want Baby Sister to be a Mommy someday?
Him: I be a Mommy too.
Me: no, you can't be a Mommy because you are a boy and you will turn into a man, like Daddy.
Him: Baby Sister can't talk yet.

.... this is the level of understanding we are talking about here.

Here is another fruitful exchange, between him, and his 7 year old cousin:

Him: if you throw your arm in the fire it gets hot.
Cousin: yeah it burns.
Me: You throw anything in the fire it burns to ash.
Him and cousin: ash?
Me: see, those are ashes. Fire turns stuff into ashes.
Him: can I put my sock in the fire?
Me: only if you want to turn it into ash.
Cousin and him: when can we go to the gift shop?
Him: ... further incoherent ramblings about fire. Cousin listens intently.

This is where kids this age are at. Both are functioning at grade level, etc.

Some kids are a bit different, I admit it. There is always one little boy who chooses to play house or dressups with girls, rather than play with hot wheels. And there is always a girl who from day 1, resented being dressed in skirts and getting dolls for Christmas.

However, don't over think it. And when we impose a master-narrative about gender, and infuse everything with more meaning than children are ready to grasp, we irrevocably complicate the picture for them. Let the kids navigate this world on their own. That is the purpose of childhood really, it is a time to practice for adulthood.

And madlibs consider these kiddie's thoughts to be 2deep4u enough to change their sexes before age of consent with blockers and hormones with surgery is very scary. Specially that big brother telling that he will be a big mommy without knowing that something you throw on fire will be turned into ash.

Many of these trans activists who push children's transitions don't have children on their own or know any kiddies, also most of them are child free, and they detest them with a very deep disdain for them to dare to exist with them, perhaps they could be little misgendering and rightly name a man with a ridiculous wig as man or a woman with a pencil stache as woman . I don't know, this jingles my jangles.

Troons only know about kiddies when its convenient, like it's not a crime when the child consents tho level.

That's what is worrying, if children are mature enough to castrate themselves, then the final step will be... some fucking nightmare for them and society in general.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Many of these trans activists who push children's transitions don't have children on their own or know any kiddies, also most of them are child free, and they detest them with a very deep disdain for them to dare to exist with them, perhaps they could be little misgendering and rightly name a man with a ridiculous wig as man or a woman with a pencil stache as woman . I don't know, this jingles my jangles.

Troons only know about kiddies when its convenient, like it's not a crime when the child consents tho level.

That's what is worrying, if children are mature enough to castrate themselves, then the final step will be... some fucking nightmare for them and society in general.

It is probably some deep vendetta against the children's parents. It isn't personal, as in I don't feel under attack personally, but these are folks who probably hate "normalcy" (for lack of a better word) because they don't fit. So it is most validating for them to see their ideological seeds turn into living plants which in turn, grow fruit.

Like I said, it is not like this extreme left is barging in my door and urging my son to become a eunuch. However they are targeting all of our kids and pushing their agenda thru the mainstream media, the public school curriculum, the APA, the AMA, big pharma, universities ....

Not sure what else to say, except that there is a way of educating your children to accept difference and to even embrace it, without subverting their basic instincts and undermining reason.

What I am saying, is that the fact that Baby Sister can only be a mother someday, and Big Brother can only be a father, and the biological sex roles are not reversible, is an immutable fact. No disclaimer necessary.

 

[Pitere pit]

It is probably some deep vendetta against the children's parents. It isn't personal, as in I don't feel under attack personally, but these are folks who probably hate "normalcy" (for lack of a better word) because they don't fit. So it is most validating for them to see their ideological seeds turn into living plants which in turn, grow fruit.

Like I said, it is not like this extreme left is barging in my door and urging my son to become a eunuch. However they are targeting all of our kids and pushing their agenda thru the mainstream media, the public school curriculum, the APA, the AMA, big pharma, universities ....

Not sure what else to say, except that there is a way of educating your children to accept difference and to even embrace it, without subverting their basic instincts and undermining reason.

What I am saying, is that the fact that Baby Sister can only be a mother someday, and Big Brother can only be a father, and the biological sex roles are not reversible, is an immutable fact. No disclaimer necessary.

I like how you expressed that kiddies are pressured to become trans by the msm and the schools. This didn't happen in the past.

Big brother could have some curiosity about how her sister could be in the future, asking questions about whether he could be a woman too, silly questions of yore serious matters of now.
In some woke countries such naive thoughts could be proofs to sick fucks that a kiddie is trans, specially in schools alongside big pharma.

It was a fact that women are adult female, and men, adult males. It didn't matter what they did like. Some women wanted to be welders, electricians or to not bear children, but, they were women all along. Like with men, some of them are hairdressers, like fashion or they are nurses, as long they produce sperm they are men.
Trans activism are at times far more regressive that old sexism of yore, at least they acknowledge that big brother is going to be a father if he wants to, and lil sis is a mother if she wants to. No ifs or buts.

 

[AnOminous]

Can the very drug companies get sued later, if complications arrise from their drug's effects?

Yes. This happens a lot. Especially when they knew the negative effects and deliberately suppressed research that proved those effects. Troon drugs are really a huge potential field for future lawsuits.

Generally; no. Drugs are provided on the grounds that they "may" improve the condition, and payouts only really happen if they have a drastic side effect that occurred frequently,that the company knew about and repeatedly lied about. And even then, not always.

Disagree. Look at the village industry of litigation over Vioxx.

And just watch late-night TV and all the litigation factories based around "did you take drug X and get disease Y."

There are lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of lawsuits against drug manufacturers, sometimes they're absolute bullshit, but whether or not they're absolute bullshit, there's lots of money to be made in such lawsuits.

 

[Spastic Colon]

Yes. This happens a lot. Especially when they knew the negative effects and deliberately suppressed research that proved those effects. Troon drugs are really a huge potential field for future lawsuits.



Disagree. Look at the village industry of litigation over Vioxx.

And just watch late-night TV and all the litigation factories based around "did you take drug X and get disease Y."

There are lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of lawsuits against drug manufacturers, sometimes they're absolute bullshit, but whether or not they're absolute bullshit, there's lots of money to be made in such lawsuits.

There's a lot of money to be made, but very little of that, sadly, ever goes to the victims. But some lawyers will make good money from suing over trans kids one day.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Yes. This happens a lot. Especially when they knew the negative effects and deliberately suppressed research that proved those effects. Troon drugs are really a huge potential field for future lawsuits.

Disagree. Look at the village industry of litigation over Vioxx.

And just watch late-night TV and all the litigation factories based around "did you take drug X and get disease Y."

There are lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of lawsuits against drug manufacturers, sometimes they're absolute bullshit, but whether or not they're absolute bullshit, there's lots of money to be made in such lawsuits.

Awesome answer. This is my but in a decade, the chickens will come home to roost. Maybe just maybe, this push to jump on the tranny bandwagon will buckle under its own weight.

I am not saying that gender dysphoria doesn't exist. It does, it is rare, and well-documented historically.

But more people who are doing something = more exposure to lawsuits. Especially if the research and evidence behind the practice is questionable.

 

[gay]

what's the deal with raving lunatics like Jamey at at the 1:32 mark?

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not even trying to be dismissive but what the fuck does transgender even mean if you also identify as non-binary? if there's no prognosis or even desire to go through the means to transition then you're just gay sissy trying to make your homosexuality sound more exotic than it actually is.

it sucks because another tranny (Blaire White) questions them and the conversation immediately gets stopped because Jamey got emotional.

 

[Wallace]

what's the deal with raving lunatics like Jamey at at the 1:32 mark?

LGBTQ+ Community Debates the Meaning of "Queer", Military Bans, & More (Part 1/2)

People across the LGBTQIA+ spectrum came to the VICE offices in Brooklyn to hash out some of the most pressing issues they face today. Within the LGBTQ umbre...

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not even trying to be dismissive but what the fuck does transgender even mean if you also identify as non-binary? if there's no prognosis or even desire to go through the means to transition then you're just gay sissy trying to make your homosexuality sound more exotic than it actually is.

it sucks because another tranny (Blaire White) questions them and the conversation immediately gets stopped because Jamey got emotional.

Internet asspats notwithstanding, my theory is that they want to be not-men, or not-cis. Being a man means certain character traits, which they either lack or find unacceptable. But at the same time, he doesn't consider himself a woman either, for similar reasons. Since neither option works, non-binary fits the bill nicely. When who you are is untenable, the obvious solution is to not be you.

 

[Cheemsburbger]

My thoughts (outside of religious views and child abuse) amount to "it's gross, keep that gay shit away from me"

 

[Otterly]

Can the very drug companies get sued later, if complications arrise from their drug's effects? Especially if they interfered with an otherwise functional organic system, and the kid was under-aged when administered?

it depends. The drug trial process is supposed to be for specific indications. So the puberty blockers have been trialled for prostate cancer, endometriosis and precocious puberty (I think.) The stuf is them approved for condition x and can only be marketed for condition x. Any use for another condition is off label.
The process of collecting safety data carries on after the drug is released. If that data is concerning the drug can be pulled. This is what happened with vioxx. If you’ve tested your drug on a thousand people and have a one in two thousand severe side effect you may not see it during trial, but if ten million people take the drug you will. As long as the drug company wasn’t aware before amd follows the rules suing is unlikely . If they suppressed safety data, that’s a different matter.
Off label useage isn’t a problem in and of itself. Lots of common drugs are used for other conditions and havent been trialled for that specific one. What’s key is ‘standard of care.’ If a condition has been treated with a drug for twenty years and no issues then one patient dies you aren’t getting sued because you can point to a long standing history of use.
This is why troons and their backers have pushed for wpath guidelines, affirmative care and all that, because it creates a climate where the standard of care is All The Drugs And Surgeries. If blockers, hormones and surgery is seen as experimental it’s suing time. If it’s seen as the standard then it’s harder to sue.
It’s the same with them using kids. Why do you think there’s a push for kids to be seen as able to consent? It serves many agendas - Lowers the chance of lawsuits, allows exploitation sexually, medically etc.
Personally I hope there are lawsuits. Huge, company breaking lawsuits. Lawsuits that strengthen the good clinical practice guidelines. Those were written after Nuremberg etc and were supposed to STOP shit like this happening again.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

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...I honestly say tha this also applies to the other members of the MOGAI community, though: do you recall the demands of censorship of 'homophobic' speech? What about the anger at corporations no longer celebrating pride once Pride Month is over? Then there are the lawsuits at 'homophobic' small businesses and laws against travel to 'homophobic' states...

 

[NoSpiceLife]

The child consent question is going/about to go through the UK High Court. This will be the nail in the coffin, so to speak, as to whether the transtrenders get a solid hold on something that should never even be considered in the first place.

It also leads to some dangerous paths, if children 'can' consent, then what about all of the areas of their lives that have previously been considered off limits. They can't consent to having sex under 16, they haven't got the brain maturity to be allowed to vote, to drive a car, to smoke, to drink, etc.


To allow the pervading thought of 'it's not harming you' to take hold, is allowing deviants to change society into something where not a single female, or child is safe. Especially when these men are hiding behind name and 'gender' changes, that prevent at risk individuals and groups from finding out who they really are.
The following was written back in 2013:
'Transgender fetish is the largest sexual disorder reported in convicted sex offenders.(4) Almost 100% of convicted sex offenders have a documented history of transvestism, crossdressing, free-dressing, Autogynephilia, transsexualism – in other words: TRANSGENDER.'
When is 90% not Substantially ALL?

To me, men who ignore what is going on because it doesn't affect them, 'these crazies aren't using our bathrooms/females use stalls anyway...', or they see this as a way to gain an advantage for themselves, are showing that they will never support their children, their wives, their girlfriends, their mums for gods sake. I'm not saying they need to become feminists of any sort, the 'bro code' was over years ago, and men have a duty of care to the females in their lives, to prevent this insanity from taking hold.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Want an example of what we are concerned about?:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/i-am-jazz-jaron-seth-bloshinsky-jazz-jennings.52472/

I am posting this for people unfamiliar with this young person's case or the thread here.

It is an argument for why there should be limits to the choices parents are allowed to make for their children. Start on page 1, the whole saga develops.

Here is another one. Again, posting mainly for people who may not have encountered these threads along the way.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/insane-parents-of-transgender-kids.30908/

 

[Kopaka Toa of Ice]

so two things:

first I went through the first 4-5 pages of this thread and people talking about Muh Shared Bathrooms.
why the fuck does ANYONE wanna share a bathroom, Male or Female? I know there are sick fucks out there that get off on peeping but I personally will never understand it as being in a stall across from someone is an uncomfortable and smelly experience. I am of the personal opinion that few people actually want to SHARE a bathroom with someone unless they are a massive pervert.

secondly, as a Male who likes to be Feminine but isn't trans, but used to have trans or gay friends who would bash or mock me for not going their direction I must say I have a slight bias against the the current line of trans activism, and I feel it kinda hurts or taints those of us that want to defy a general gender role because it is now poisoned with trans entitlement on top of the prior weirdness associated with it.

 

[Pope Fucker]

why the fuck does ANYONE wanna share a bathroom, Male or Female?

The argument I've seen on twatter is that since we share a bathroom with others at home it shouldn't be a big deal to share with strangers. It's bullshit and we all know it but these freaks don't want others to have boundaries.

 

[Kopaka Toa of Ice]

The argument I've seen on twatter is that since we share a bathroom with others at home it shouldn't be a big deal to share with strangers. It's bullshit and we all know it but these freaks don't want others to have boundaries.

I... what?.. sharing a bathroom at home is basically taking turns going in and out of one bathroom.. I.E. not sharing the room by occupying it at the SAME TIME. what sort of Gold Medal Olympic Grade Mental Gymnastics is going on that leads to such a fucking argument?!

 

[Non-Expert!]

so two things:

first I went through the first 4-5 pages of this thread and people talking about Muh Shared Bathrooms.
why the fuck does ANYONE wanna share a bathroom, Male or Female? I know there are sick fucks out there that get off on peeping but I personally will never understand it as being in a stall across from someone is an uncomfortable and smelly experience. I am of the personal opinion that few people actually want to SHARE a bathroom with someone unless they are a massive pervert.

secondly, as a Male who likes to be Feminine but isn't trans, but used to have trans or gay friends who would bash or mock me for not going their direction I must say I have a slight bias against the the current line of trans activism, and I feel it kinda hurts or taints those of us that want to defy a general gender role because it is now poisoned with trans entitlement on top of the prior weirdness associated with it.

I think the the current word is "non-binary."

The bathroom issue, hopefully isn't about wanting to share a bathroom, but having to share a bathroom. Understandably, if you walk around like a drag-queen, the men's bathroom is probably not a safe space, unless you want to get cornered, and/or take it up the pooper. As a female, I can only project, but many men are not "enlightened" enough to shut down some of their basic instincts, and also reinterpret basic signals, when somebody in a dress stands to piss. And all it takes is once.

I don't know when segregated bathrooms came about. But there is a reason for having these separate spaces. And it is neither misandry or sexism. So where does a chick with a noticeable dick urinate?

The ladies room, of course.

Catch is, if half of the tranny population commits suicide or attempts it or whatever, or are targets for violence as they love to point out, then we women are stuck with mentally-unstable she-males in our safe spaces.

I think that well-lit, single stall gender neutral/handicapped/family restrooms are an awesome solution. They are necessary for a dad, who is taking little kids out for the day. They are also necessary for incompetent people who have an attending caretaker of the opposite sex.

And your point is well-taken. Who the hell fights to be able to piss in somebody else's floral, perfumed powder room, where he is unwelcome? The whole thing honestly is about men dominating and displacing women. Again.