General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Tragi-Chan]

If trannies think biology and genetics don’t define you anymore, what does? The clothes you wear? What you believe in your broken head?

Why does biology and genetics work for 99.99% of the population? Why do they have to suddenly change what science has defined to accommodate crazy people? The rest of the animal kingdom seems to be fine with biology and genetics. I don’t see any tranny chimps or gorillas smearing on lipstick like a clown and walking around in poorly fitting dresses.

It’s ironic that so many of them are opposed to religion. Basically the argument is that their souls, an essence separate from their physical selves, is female.

 

[Trimmed Archer]

It’s ironic that so many of them are opposed to religion. Basically the argument is that their souls, an essence separate from their physical selves, is female.

Encountered someone preaching just that. That fella re-defined "souls" as "psyches" and claimed that the mind is not reducible to matter.

 

[Elbe]

It doesn't work like that. Barring a chromosomal abnormality, a male is XY from the instant dad's y sperm makes contact with Mom's egg

My bad - i thought everyone was xx for a bit then toxic masculinity genes ruined it all.

 

[buying gf]

A truly devious mind would ponder this: what if transgender mtfs are agents of the patriarchy? Their intent being to insert themselves, ever so gradually and with raucous applause from "woke" social networks, into women's spaces, until women have no other options than to return to the pre-liberation era? Transgenders increasingly flooding women's sports, women's careers, until the percentages place them with majority rule? They're "real" women, after all. Without a viable career, or a viable sport, "cis" women would have no choice but to reclaim the spaces they occupied in the 50s: staying at home, cooking, cleaning, and making children.

But that's silly. Surely.

You've just reminded me of this video from someone who definitely has a devious mind:

 

[Landsknecht]

My bad - i thought everyone was xx for a bit then toxic masculinity genes ruined it all.

I can understand the confusion. People like the throw around the factoid that "everyone starts out female" when really they mean "everyone starts out developing on the same lines".

 

[Non-Expert!]

It’s ironic that so many of them are opposed to religion. Basically the argument is that their souls, an essence separate from their physical selves, is female.

Our souls have a gender now?

How many more feelings become facts, in Trannystan?

 

[soft breathing]

If trannies think biology and genetics don’t define you anymore, what does? The clothes you wear? What you believe in your broken head?

Your F E E L I N G S.
At least when trannies were still mainly on tumblr that was one of their main arguments. 'But I FEEL like [insert whatever you want here] and my FEELINGS are valid'. Yeah, sure. I believe they think their feelings/thoughts are real to them. But that just means they need to seek help with that shit. But all they get currently is therapy that's only enabling all of that madness.

The real truth is that these men want to be pregnant because they sexualize it like they sexualize everything else that belongs to women.

You know, I've always wondered what they'll do with a kid once it's there and the 'magic' of pregnancy is over. Is the child once it's there also part of the fetish? Will they hurt the kid? Will they just abort? Send it off for adoption?
Sorry if the questions are stupid - I just don't understand pregnancy fetishes at all.

 

[Zamzz]

I do believe gender dysphoria is a real thing and the average trans person just wants to live their life, but it's the loud minority that gives the community as a whole a bad name (looking at you AGPs and pronoun warrior troons). The few transgender people I've encountered so far irl have been mtfs that are very lowkey and at least try to put in an effort into passing. MtF, FtM, male, female, whatever, doesn't matter. just try to be a good person, do nice things and don't go out of your way to be a total lolcow. I'm fairly sure KF has its fair share of transgender users too.

 

[PBJ Sucks]

My understanding of the whole xx xy/everybody is female thing is that female expression is default without a functioning y.

It's fucking stupid when they bring up the need for debates on the social categorization of intersex individuals as an argument to disprove the simplicity of sexual dimorphism.

Frankly I am also done with the concession of gender and sex being independent. Social gender is not arbitrary and has never been. It has consistently and universally arisen from and been applied to physical sex.

It's funny, because for all that trannies argue that they have flipped genders socially they really haven't. None of them is held to any standard at all these days, let alone cis standards.

Yup.....without action; in the future, the other lifeforms i imagined, will be watching women making men pregnant, the men giving birth and then the men and women sharing the breastfeeding. The women will go bald and the men will have the menopause. What a fucking fuck up and one that only humans could make.

See whether or not I would care for these things to be possible (I'd have to think much longer about that) I don't think it is inherently bad to be able to do objectively incredible things. I would file that under humans doing things because they can, not independently because of or for troons. If these advances happen, they will happen regardless of troon influence.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

A couple of things I noticed. Why only in the last 5 years has the media had such a love affair/hate affair (on opposing sides) with transgenders? these people have been around for years. I have heard about sex change operations as far back as I can remember but people didn't harp on it. Granted people were aware it was ''a thing'' but again... low interest amongst the general public in thinking about these types of things.

I still believe that a rather small proportion of society is actually transgender or genuinely gender dysphoric much lower than people seem to believe. I also think this peaked media interest is attracting some people with borderline personality disorder and such and giving them an idea that a sexual transition would solve their emotional turmoil (It doesn't).

 

[Sweetpeaa]

When I have encountered a man (tranny or not) in women's bathrooms, it is still legal for me to tell him to GTFO. As a matter of fact, here is a quarter, they can call someone who cares. Or send law enforcement in, and arrest me for telling him to get the fuck out of the ladies room, double dog dare you.

All things being equal, I would be happy to speak up. However, what stops me is my fear of confrontation, being that I am a 125 lb female, in a cinder block trap, with running water, porcelain fixtures, and no witness around.

My skull in a the hand of a muscular man vs. Porcelain sink/toilet and running water. Skull 0 - Sink 1.

Forget the laws ... They know they are in our bathroom, and that they shouldn't be there.

The chances of you running into a trans person in the bathroom are not as high as you'd think. They are fairly rare and the odds of you ending up in the same place as one in the same moment is a long shot. I've only seen one in a bathroom once and it was over Christmas shopping and there was a lot of women in the bathroom at the time, all this person was doing was fixing their makeup in the bathroom mirror and then left. If there's lots of people around the threat grows even more unlikely.

 

[No Ma'ams Land]

A couple of things I noticed. Why only in the last 5 years has the media had such a love affair/hate affair (on opposing sides) with transgenders? these people have been around for years. I have heard about sex change operations as far back as I can remember but people didn't harp on it. Granted people were aware it was ''a thing'' but again... low interest amongst the general public in thinking about these types of things.

I still believe that a rather small proportion of society is actually transgender or genuinely gender dysphoric much lower than people seem to believe. I also think this peaked media interest is attracting some people with borderline personality disorder and such and giving them an idea that a sexual transition would solve their emotional turmoil (It doesn't).

There was a legislative scuffle about transgender / unisex bathrooms around 2016. Obama publicly spoke about it, which of course turned it into a national issue overnight and caused social media to splinter tribally over it.

 

[Non-Expert!]

A couple of things I noticed. Why only in the last 5 years has the media had such a love affair/hate affair (on opposing sides) with transgenders? these people have been around for years. I have heard about sex change operations as far back as I can remember but people didn't harp on it. Granted people were aware it was ''a thing'' but again... low interest amongst the general public in thinking about these types of things.

I still believe that a rather small proportion of society is actually transgender or genuinely gender dysphoric much lower than people seem to believe. I also think this peaked media interest is attracting some people with borderline personality disorder and such and giving them an idea that a sexual transition would solve their emotional turmoil (It doesn't).

The reality of the matter is that they are making themselves more visible. This is the last frontier for the GLBT movement, and a lot of GLB folks would just as soon drop the T. Thing is, where does the movement have to go? It is not like they can tell their major donors "the war has ended, you can go home now."

The chances of you running into a trans person in the bathroom are not as high as you'd think. They are fairly rare and the odds of you ending up in the same place as one in the same moment is a long shot. I've only seen one in a bathroom once and it was over Christmas shopping and there was a lot of women in the bathroom at the time, all this person was doing was fixing their makeup in the bathroom mirror and then left. If there's lots of people around the threat grows even more unlikely.

Well that is comforting to know. So basically in order to stay safe in their own restrooms now, women need to schedule their toilet use to times when there are a lot of other women using the bathroom simultaneously, and always move in crowds.

I am assuming that working the graveyard shift is off the table, just like working late at an office, with a detached restroom? Or using the restroom at a park, in the off-season?

Ok, well I suppose on behalf of millions of natural women and girls, we can make some backwards strides, to accommodate men in our toilets. Just to make sure that these men don't commit suicide, we will restrict our free movement in society. No problem.

I am not afraid of transwomen. I am afraid of biological males, stirring up drama that can escalate, in an enclosed space.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

The reality of the matter is that they are making themselves more visible. This is the last frontier for the GLBT movement, and a lot of GLB folks would just as soon drop the T. Thing is, where does the movement have to go? It is not like they can tell their major donors "the war has ended, you can go home now."



Well that is comforting to know. So basically in order to stay safe in their own restrooms now, women need to schedule their toilet use to times when there are a lot of other women using the bathroom simultaneously, and always move in crowds.

I am assuming that working the graveyard shift is off the table, just like working late at an office, with a detached restroom? Or using the restroom at a park, in the off-season?

Ok, well I suppose on behalf of millions of natural women and girls, we can make some backwards strides, to accommodate men in our toilets. Just to make sure that these men don't commit suicide, we will restrict our free movement in society. No problem.

I am not afraid of transwomen. I am afraid of biological males, stirring up drama that can escalate, in an enclosed space.

I wouldn't say you're wrong but we can't do much about it. I'm not from the U.S from Trans people can use the public bathrooms in my country (Canada). I do prefer single room bathrooms though. Even before the trans laws there was always some men (non trans) who would slip past the security camera and hide in the womans bathroom. I had a very scary encounter when I was a teenager with one.

 

[Banditotron]

I'm fucking sick of these twisted bastards. Anyone fellow LGB reading this, for the love of god, why cant we rid ourselves of these people? I'd do anything to get rid of trannies and their gender ilk so we can live our lives normally. Hell, with them out of the picture, not only would we be able to fag it up in peace, but we might even get a chance to help fellow gays in places where they dont have equal rights. But no. Instead, we all have to wait patiently while the trannies pilot the ship into an iceberg.

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

The monetization of medicine was a mistake. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have people destroying their bodies. Doctors should get basic income so they're not motivated by greed and we need to find a real way to treat transgenderism.

 

[PBJ Sucks]

The way to treat it is to pull the plug on the internet.

 

[Eclair's Shota Paradise]

why are so many lolcow trannies mtf? is it because they see it as a way to escape reponsibility for their actions by calling everyone who disagrees with them transphobic and being able to draw a throng of aggressive troons to their side, or is there some other reason i'm missing?

 

[Otterly]

Instead, we all have to wait patiently while the trannies pilot the ship into an iceberg.

I think it’s worse than that. They’re actively setting gay rights back. I’m seeing more and more kickback against the general LGB because they are being lumped in with the T. And also not cleaning house for stuff like pup play at pride aimed at kids.
The best thing the LGB could do is to distance themselves from all of the gender madness, set their position firmly as ‘we have our rights and are now living dull suburban lives just like everyone else’ and jettison the T, the drag queen kid parents, and the arse-out pride ‘family days’ into the sun. We are seeing the T used as propaganda in countries where gay rights don’t exist to further crack down on the LGB. The backlash is going to hurt a lot of people who don’t deserve to be hurt.

 

[Banditotron]

I think it’s worse than that. They’re actively setting gay rights back. I’m seeing more and more kickback against the general LGB because they are being lumped in with the T. And also not cleaning house for stuff like pup play at pride aimed at kids.
The best thing the LGB could do is to distance themselves from all of the gender madness, set their position firmly as ‘we have our rights and are now living dull suburban lives just like everyone else’ and jettison the T, the drag queen kid parents, and the arse-out pride ‘family days’ into the sun. We are seeing the T used as propaganda in countries where gay rights don’t exist to further crack down on the LGB. The backlash is going to hurt a lot of people who don’t deserve to be hurt.

You're correct in every way. I wish I could band together with my fellow gays, but our culture has been completely subverted from the inside. None of us can band together because for every few of us that wants to oust the T, there's someone who will report you to your employer, or your professor, or to establishment owners. Theres no way to win. The only winning moves had to be made years ago. We're already in "check", it just takes one more move for the trannies to put us in "checkmate".