Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Welp, China has started digging mass graves.

DW News on Twitter

“It may not seem like it, but this is a construction project that aims to save lives. China is building a hospital dedicated to dealing with the coronavirus outbreak. According to the World Health Organization, at least 571 cases of the virus have been reported in the country...

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Am I missing something? Because that looks like CGI to me...

 

[Fougaro]

Welp, China has started digging mass graves.

DW News on Twitter

“It may not seem like it, but this is a construction project that aims to save lives. China is building a hospital dedicated to dealing with the coronavirus outbreak. According to the World Health Organization, at least 571 cases of the virus have been reported in the country...

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I hope the Coronavirus is just a relative fart in the summer wind, because man did China commit quite an oops and a half if not.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

Am I missing something? Because that looks like CGI to me...

as if journalists would be allowed so close to Wuhan

 

[Return of the Freaker]

One minor point: there doesn't seem to be a real answer to how the fuck this disease was transmitted. I guess the public just badly rehashes whatever they'll see in the news, but scientists can't say for sure.

tbh I was convinced that it was transmitted from bats because the virus has such a strong homology to SARS-like bat coronavirus, but then the "snake" connection became the center of talk. it was widely discussed by media for some reason, but it's not actually scientific consensus. apparently scientists found the bat connection very quickly, but there's a problem: bats aren't around in china at this time of year... So there must be an intermediate species that would be in close contact with bats, right? They came up with snakes. Fucking snakes. The method they used was measuring codon bias and just picked whatever was closest. This is bunk. And the virus almost certainly didn't go through snakes from a bat, they're way too genetically different. It was highly contentious and scientists dropped it like its hot. I hope WHO is able to get access to what they need to research the source of this shit. Might need international pressure or something.


Start in China, symptoms are hidden and often inconsistent, start at a major transportation hub. not a bad play, but Madagascar will be tough.

I'm increasingly suspecting it came from the biolab that the CCP opened in the area a few years ago. I posted this earlier:

 

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as if journalists would be allowed so close to Wuhan

Between this horrible CG mess and the fake hazmat suits there is something strange going on. I'm thinking China dropped the ball bad so when the real numbers come in they can try and claim being proactive.

 

[Coleslaw]

Doctors are treated like absolute shit in China.

Low pay, long hours, direction by ignorant party bosses, ignorant populace that just wants traditional remedies and believes they know better than you. Automatic low social credit score, you buy all your shit at the window and travel on the tard train.

Waiters get paid better, eat better, and receive more respect. But if you made the mistake of getting a degree in medicine, this is your job for the rest of your life. Higher suicide rate amongst Chinese doctors than Foxconn plant employees.

The culture is very screwed up. If you're sick, your family might offer a doctor a bribe to save your life. If it doesn't work out, your family might kill that doctor. Police would side with the family, the bribe culture is so strong they often look at failure to perform miracles as fraud. There are a lot of stories of doctors being disappeared for a few months, only for their families to receive letters of confession to murdering their patients for money.

Just so you know I'm not shitposting:

My dentist hates the government even more than I do which is saying a lot.

 

[Xenomorph]

Corona Chan demands blood.

 

[Milk Mage]

Shame about China, but we'll be fine, right?

Right?

 

[Secret Asshole]

Not STEM myself, but I am cursed with the classic "medical family" and they shoot the shit a lot.

I remember a conversation a while back to the effect of, this year's Australian flu season was "odd" in that the flu wasn't more deadly or debilitating that expected, but it spread a little more aggressively and the symptoms weren't quite what was expected. Aussie flu season is a few months ahead of ours, so it's like the world's shittiest season preview. Plus, the flu vaccine combination this year wasn't as effective as the public health folks hoped.

@Secret Asshole is it possible that some of what we've thought were slightly odd Aussie flu cases were actually nCoV?

I mean, unless they were young, healthy people and suddenly developed pneumonia that was resistant to most, if not all conventional treatments, I'd say no.

Jesus H. Shit! Just what the world needs. Oh, yeah, the LAST thing the people in charge at that Wuhan lab wanted to do was let the local populace know, let alone Beijing.

Take a look around. First World countries are generally equipped and provisioned to deal with this. Mass communications available throughout. Russia, less so.

As a rule, Third World countries are not generally equipped or provisioned to deal with anything more than a minor outbreak. Problem - any outbreak in a Third World country will not stay minor for long, meaning the health system will be overtaxed very quickly. Mass communications not always the best, and a number of people there won't believe the news anyway. Biggest problem, as previously mentioned - this virus gets to a Third World country, mutates, spreads very quickly. People leave the country, not always screened upon departure/entry. Gonna be a mess, and this shitshow has just started.

Still waiting to hear from CDC re effectiveness of Tamiflu on this virus. Hope they don't blow me off.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Tamiflu ain't going to do anything. Different viruses. Masks and plenty of alcohol and hand antiseptic. Any mask or hand sanitizer by 3M is quality.

Uh oh....if they are actively fingerpointing at eachother that suggests the bugmen in the CCP are getting spooked by whatever is happening

Also "DISEASE IS HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS AND MASKS DO NOT WORK" really isnt a sentence you'd ever want to read

EDIT: wait....they assembled all the top medical personnel in Beijing and put them in a room with one of the infected....fucking really?

SCIENCE LESSON!

A mask's effectiveness is based on pore size. An average corona virus is 125 nm. To us science people, that is 0.125 microns. (That's small). Surgical masks run the gamut between 5 micron filters and 0.1 micron filters. So if you buy the wrong mask, it kinda doesn't matter.

So for all you Kiwis, the mask if you want 100% protection is an N95 mask. Remember this number. I know all about masks because I used to work with high-grain, lead powder in my research, so I had to wear a respirator. This means it filters out 95% of particles. But this is really only if you're in the 'danger zone'. That and they're fucking expensive, hard to breathe in. What you DO want is an ASTM Level 3 mask. Like if you're in Wuhan, N95 all day e'ryday. But it filters out 98% of shit at 0.1 micron. Whatever you do, just don't buy them in CVS. I mean, if you're really scared, by all means by the N95 masks. I might buy a package or two if shit hits the fan.

The problem is if the Chinese are NOT handing out masks that are rated at least ATSM Level 1, then its not gonna do shit. I'd recommend as follows:

1. N95 - I am in China right now oh my god the zombies. Or you're ultra paranoid.
2. ATSM Level 3 - I'm worried, but I'm not in a hazard zone
3. ATSM Level 2 - I'm worried but I'm not worried enough to spend that money.
4. ATSM Level 1 - Just in case, even if I don't use them they aren't that expensive. (95% filtration at micron 0.1)
5. CVS Masks - I have no idea what I'm doing lol

Just a reminder, N95 masks are very expensive, uncomftorable and pretty silly if you're not dealing with sick people all day. Which is why I recommend the level 3 ones.

Chinese healthcare works collapsing from it is frightening because they aren't giving them proper PPE.

Overreacting to seem more effective after the fact? plausible. do you think they're that crafty?

No. China's entire motivation in life is to be strong and save face. This is abject terror. They're not that smart.

One minor point: there doesn't seem to be a real answer to how the fuck this disease was transmitted.

tbh I was convinced that it was transmitted from bats because the virus has such a strong homology to SARS-like bat coronavirus, but then the "snake" connection became the center of talk. it was widely discussed by media for some reason, but it's not actually scientific consensus. apparently scientists found the bat connection very quickly, but there's a problem: bats aren't around in china at this time of year... So there must be an intermediate species that would be in close contact with bats, right? They came up with snakes. Fucking snakes. The method they used was measuring codon bias and just picked whatever was closest. This is bunk. And the virus almost certainly didn't go through snakes from a bat, they're way too genetically different. It was highly contentious and scientists dropped it like its hot. I hope WHO is able to get access to what they need to research the source of this shit. Might need international pressure or something.


Start in China, symptoms are hidden and often inconsistent, start at a major transportation hub. not a bad play, but Madagascar will be tough.

I don't have the sequence so I can't do any BLAST analysis, but count on China fucking up the sequencing. They might not have cleaned out their illumina in five years. We need a legitimate country to go in and do it, because China is a complete fuck-up in every area and not to be trusted.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

The World Health Organization announces with deep sadness the sudden death of Dr Peter Salama, Executive Director of WHO’s Division for Universal Health Coverage – Life Course.

WHO mourns passing of Dr Peter Salama

The World Health Organization announces with deep sadness the sudden death of Dr Peter Salama, Executive Director of WHO’s Division for Universal Health Coverage – Life Course.

www.who.int

So, on the scale of 9/11, how fucked are we, given the fact that the WHO brass is dropping dead from heart attacks?

 

[Samoyed]

lol goodbye china

 

[millais]

The start of the Chinese New Year holiday may actually synchronize well with the new travel restrictions in place. All the businesses and factories are shut down during the holiday, so hopefully even in the less infected cities, people will be moving around in public less.

 

[Fatrick Hamlinson]

Found this on Discord.

Spoiler: Hospital flowchart for Corona chan

... I'm kind of not surprised. These seem to be the same people who are bleating about people not vaccinating their kids, but also refuse to identify what brought certain diseases (back) to our shores or rather, which immigrants from certain third-world shitholes infected the US population. It's almost like they lump communicable and/or airborne diseases with the crackpot theory of miasma causing illnesses because they're so incredibly desperate to avoid anything that even remotely smacks of racism or isolationism.

Well chums I found this case tracker thingy from John Hopkins University which might be of interest
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Between the aging population and how crappy the average immune system must be thanks to all the gnarly shit in the air/water/food, I wonder whether this shit is going to have a far worse effect on China than other places

It makes me think that the infection rate/percentage would decrease in a country with actual hygiene and health services that can cater to the population, and that people shouldn't freak out about the infection rate/percentage quite yet.

I am not going anywhere now

I had seriously considered going out of the country for spring break, but now I'll just buy gold and non-perishable food items with my vacation money and bury it in an unmarked location.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

The World Health Organization announces with deep sadness the sudden death of Dr Peter Salama, Executive Director of WHO’s Division for Universal Health Coverage – Life Course.

WHO mourns passing of Dr Peter Salama

The World Health Organization announces with deep sadness the sudden death of Dr Peter Salama, Executive Director of WHO’s Division for Universal Health Coverage – Life Course.

www.who.int

So, on the scale of 9/11, how fucked are we, given the fact that the WHO brass is dropping dead from heart attacks?

I vote we all go the Howard Hughes route if push comes to shove.

It makes me think that the infection rate/percentage would decrease in a country with actual hygiene and health services that can cater to the population, and that people shouldn't freak out about the infection rate/percentage quite yet.

You mean to tell me street shitting may have long-term consequences?

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Background chatter, pointing fingers at that Wuhan Bioweaponssafety lab - same one Jim mentioned on his Wu Flu stream - keeps increasing. That tripfag on 4chan last night, claiming that virus is escaped bioweapon might have been not a LARP after all. Blaming people eating bat sashimi could be a convenient cover story.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

China are corpratists, not socialists

You post clinge, you gonna roose social cledit points.

 

[XYZpdq]

Background chatter, pointing fingers at that Wuhan Bioweaponssafety lab - same one Jim mentioned on his Wu Flu stream - keeps increasing. That tripfag on 4chan last night, claiming that virus is escaped bioweapon might have been not a LARP after all. Blaming people eating bat sashimi could be a convenient cover story.

why not both
virus escapes lab via bats, rides bats into people

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

why not both
virus escapes lab via bats, rides bats into people

You mean an underpaid maintenance worker decided to make couple of quick yuan by selling the bat carcasses designated to incinerator at local market?

 

[Keystone]

SCIENCE LESSON!

A mask's effectiveness is based on pore size. An average corona virus is 125 nm. To us science people, that is 0.125 microns. (That's small). Surgical masks run the gamut between 5 micron filters and 0.1 micron filters. So if you buy the wrong mask, it kinda doesn't matter.

So for all you Kiwis, the mask if you want 100% protection is an N95 mask. Remember this number. I know all about masks because I used to work with high-grain, lead powder in my research, so I had to wear a respirator. This means it filters out 95% of particles. But this is really only if you're in the 'danger zone'. That and they're fucking expensive, hard to breathe in. What you DO want is an ASTM Level 3 mask. Like if you're in Wuhan, N95 all day e'ryday. But it filters out 98% of shit at 0.1 micron. Whatever you do, just don't buy them in CVS. I mean, if you're really scared, by all means by the N95 masks. I might buy a package or two if shit hits the fan.

The problem is if the Chinese are NOT handing out masks that are rated at least ATSM Level 1, then its not gonna do shit. I'd recommend as follows:

1. N95 - I am in China right now oh my god the zombies. Or you're ultra paranoid.
2. ATSM Level 3 - I'm worried, but I'm not in a hazard zone
3. ATSM Level 2 - I'm worried but I'm not worried enough to spend that money.
4. ATSM Level 1 - Just in case, even if I don't use them they aren't that expensive. (95% filtration at micron 0.1)
5. CVS Masks - I have no idea what I'm doing lol

Just a reminder, N95 masks are very expensive, uncomftorable and pretty silly if you're not dealing with sick people all day. Which is why I recommend the level 3 ones.

Chinese healthcare works collapsing from it is frightening because they aren't giving them proper PPE.

And where would an M50 gas mask with matching filters rank on that list?

 

[XYZpdq]

You mean underpaid maintenance staff member decided to make couple of yuan by selling the bat carcasses designated to incinerator at local market?

I was thinking either an animated adventure where anthropomorphic germs learn to train and ride bats to escape their oppressors or a hilariously shit managed facility that got bats in its belfry. But that's good too.