Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

There are some Romulans scattered in the background who have forehead ridges. The series seems to be addressing the changes in design by mixing them together without comment. This is the right way to go and I wish that the Klingons had been handled this way by mixing a few old-style Klingons in as extras as some point and waving them off as different phenotypes instead of a convoluted plotline about human DNA retroviruses.

As far as an explanation of how they would develop ridges, I would imagine it would be a situation where the Romulans colonized a planet that had some natives with forehead ridges and found out they could have sex with them.

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The old FASA Star Trek RPG tackled the differing Klingons in a pretty good way. The ones in the old episodes were the product of "Human-Klingon" fusion. The base (Worf style) Klingon is the "purebred". They even threw in their own "Romulan fusion". Always thought it was a common sense way to retcon something like that for story purposes.
 
agreed, but even then their society hardly made much sense if you look any deeper. who even builds and designs their stuff, not to mention progresses their technology?
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Seriously, I'm quite fond of the idea that the Federation has no idea how Klingon society functions simply because it doesn't fit their preconceived template for how an interstellar civilization is supposed to look and act. 😉

looking a tad differently is imo is just the same "style over substance".
No, giving them forehead ridges in TNG was style over substance.

which you and me know about and can recognize, you can bet there will be people wondering why the humans with the elf ears, thick eyebrows and shitty haircuts are suddenly different dudes.
You've got it backwards: Turbo-nerds like you and I are the only ones who who would notice such a change in the first place.
 
One thing I will say about Voyager is that for all the reputation DS9 had about being the darkest Star Trek, Voyager imho had the most depressive episode of everything I've watched of Trek so far.

"Course Oblivion" wouldn't be out of place as an episode of The Twilight Zone.

There isn't a single trace of hope there.

So I've been watching a little more of Voyager. Maybe I'm just hitting the high-points but I thought the Year of Hell was pretty good and others not bad at all. But I've just watched Mortal Coil - the one where Neelix dies. That was really dark and I remembered your comment but not the episode you mentioned. I just came back to see if it was Mortal Coil but nope - which means I'm really not sure I want to watch Course Oblivion after Mortal Coil!

That said, Mortal Coil was extremely good and for personal reasons I could relate a lot to it. Maybe we all can.
 
So I've been watching a little more of Voyager. Maybe I'm just hitting the high-points but I thought the Year of Hell was pretty good and others not bad at all. But I've just watched Mortal Coil - the one where Neelix dies. That was really dark and I remembered your comment but not the episode you mentioned. I just came back to see if it was Mortal Coil but nope - which means I'm really not sure I want to watch Course Oblivion after Mortal Coil!

Trust me, Course oblivion, is darker...or maybe not all, depending on how much you care about the characters in the episode. Best not to watch it with spoilers tho, otherwise it loses most of its strength.

If you still have that sad episode itch, I do recommend it!
 
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Eh, actually it would be more like if a Mid-level American Officer had a device that would take down the Nazi's by killing every German on Earth, making no distinction whether they are serving in the military or not. I'm sure that would make that officer pause before pushing the button.

Nice try, Hugh. But the Borg don't have innocent civilians, the entire race is a bio-weapon.

Not to mention Picard questions his actions later on, saying that while letting the Borg live was the moral choice, it might not have been the right one.

I haven't seen TNG since it was broadcast over the air to my old 90's CRT TV, so I can't remember if he even consulted Starfleet Command. Seems like the kind of thing a quasi-military (TNG kept telling us Starfleet isn't a military, so how come they have military ranks and weapons, anyway) organization would expect.

"Hello, Admiral Restingbitchface? Yes, it's me, Jean-Luc. I might have a way to defeat our most deadly enemy..."
 
The old FASA Star Trek RPG tackled the differing Klingons in a pretty good way. The ones in the old episodes were the product of "Human-Klingon" fusion. The base (Worf style) Klingon is the "purebred". They even threw in their own "Romulan fusion". Always thought it was a common sense way to retcon something like that for story purposes.

The FASA RPG Klingons were based on a lot of older worldbuilding by author John M. Ford in a book called "The Final Reflection" which released in 1984. Purportedly, Ford's deep and nuanced portrayal of Klingon society was popular enough among Trek fans that it was partially responsible for the decision to put a Klingon in the main cast of The Next Generation (Worf was not originally planned to be a regular character in the show). Since then, subsequent development of the Klingons in TNG and DS9 has retconned almost everything from Ford's book, although random elements of it have been referenced by a few scattered episodes.

The Final Reflection definitely worth a read if you're even a casual Trek fan though, almost certainly the single best piece of licensed Trek fiction. I highly recommend it.

(Ford's other TOS book, "How Much For Just The Planet", is very tonally different, but if Star Trek: The Slapstick Comedy Musical sounds like a premise you think you might enjoy, check out that one too.)
 
Question-I havnt seen Star trek since DS9 but I was under the impression the Romulans where a major galactic power on par with the Klingons or Federation, would the destruction of the homeworld really result in a huge refugee crisis? since all you'd really need to do is move them to other worlds in the Empires borders or set up new colonies in said territory,
 
Seems like the kind of thing a quasi-military (TNG kept telling us Starfleet isn't a military, so how come they have military ranks and weapons, anyway) organization would expect.
TNG Starfleet is a military in denial about being a military. Recall that in TOS, Kirk explicitly refers to himself as a military man, whereas in the TNG era, Starfleet officers are embarrassingly coy about their role as the armed enforcers of Federation policy. It's somewhat analogous to Canada going from having one of the largest militaries on earth at the end of WWII (granted, most of the competition had been decimated) to drawing down the Army, Navy and Air Force and combining them into the nebulous and rather vaguely-defined "Canadian Forces" a couple of decades later, while telling anyone who would listen that "Canadians are peacekeepers, not soldiers" for roughly the next half-century (the increasing degree of socialism in both societies along the way is probably not coincidental, either).
 
Question-I havnt seen Star trek since DS9 but I was under the impression the Romulans where a major galactic power on par with the Klingons or Federation, would the destruction of the homeworld really result in a huge refugee crisis? since all you'd really need to do is move them to other worlds in the Empires borders or set up new colonies in said territory,

You'd also have to ask how many they could actually evacuate before its destruction. I don't know the Star Trek lore but I'm going to guess it was something dramatic rather than giving years long notice of the destruction. So the refugees you would think would primarily be those travelling away at the time and that small percentage able to flee. Which is going to be a large number of people but you would think well within their capabilities to rehouse.

TNG Starfleet is a military in denial about being a military. Recall that in TOS, Kirk explicitly refers to himself as a military man, whereas in the TNG era, Starfleet officers are embarrassingly coy about their role as the armed enforcers of Federation policy. It's somewhat analogous to Canada going from having one of the largest militaries on earth at the end of WWII (granted, most of the competition had been decimated) to drawing down the Army, Navy and Air Force and combining them into the nebulous and rather vaguely-defined "Canadian Forces" a couple of decades later, while telling anyone who would listen that "Canadians are peacekeepers, not soldiers" for roughly the next half-century (the increasing degree of socialism in both societies along the way is probably not coincidental, either).

Sounds like the Jedi. Yes, they have an army but it's an army for peace!
 
Since the death of Rene Auberjoinois, I've been playing Star Trek Online. As it is "officially" in the Prime (aka Okudagram) Universe, the explanation for the supernova was actually Remans scouting the universe for dangerous material to blow up the sun. Not unprecedented as both DS9 and TNG had stars reigniting and exploding.

Since they've been trying to tie every series together, though, and they needed a bigger and badder big boss force for expansions, they tweaked it so that the Remans were pawns of the Iconians, or some shit. In either silly scenario, it is far more obvious than a supernova the Romulans didn't see in advance. They use miniature black holes as their warp drives. If anyone should recognize a star going supernova, it's them.
 
They use miniature black holes as their warp drives. If anyone should recognize a star going supernova, it's them.

A friend of mine just mentioned that the Romulans have far better technology than either the Federation or the Klingons. This alone raises alot of questions as to pretty much everything which occured.
-Why didnt they just barter the tech in exchange for a cushy refugee status?
-Why didnt they just ask to take all those now empty marquee worlds in the badlands post dominion war?
-Why didnt they just ask the Vulcans if they could come home on favourable terms to the Vulcans? Something the Vulcans have been pining for since TNG
-The federations has succesfully used time travel to prevent disaster, why didnt the Romulans use the fact they can time travel to prevent the fall of Romulus rather than sending the time travel equivelant of a mass shooter on a wall mart killing spree in that shitty movie?

He also raised an issues which I didnt consider.

-The federation has a long entrenched history of humanitarianism with hostile powers some of which are far worse then the federation. Romulans have a long proud history of being totally unlikable and a walking diplomatic gaff but considering the Dominion, the Cardassians and even the Klingons are they really that bad?
-Why did losing the shipyards set them that far back? the fedaration got fucked by the Dominion real bad during the massive Galactic scale war a few years back right and they seemed okay after.

Although he suspects Warmaster janeway is behind it all.
 
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Heresay, from what I understand. McFarlane did want to do another Trek. Hell, he has the liquidity to fund one on his own, but they rejected it. Likely the Paramount-CBS split. So he turned to Fox, since that's where his empire is. They accepted it. I think he honestly wanted to do a series, because a lot of the jokes seemed really tacked on at the last minute. Like notes in the margin saying they should put a joke here if they can.

As for the Worf series, I doubt it, too. One of the unwritten rules (again, heresay), is that the captain should always be human, because they represent us as humans, and thus relatable. Having him as a first officer and playing against a peaceful, logical captain could be an interesting inverse on the Kirk-Spock dynamic. I think Dorn would be fine with that, so long as he got to play Worf, though I believe he's the ambassador to Qo'nos post DS9.

Tim Russ loves Tuvok so much that he tries to insert him where he can, even making fanfiction of him. He had a show going, but then the CBS Fan Film rules went into effect, so he had to change all the names. Still a Vulcan in Tuvok's vein.
 
I'm willing to buy the Romulan forehead ridge thing as being a physical trait that some Romulans have and some don't.

Unfortunately, I'm not willing to "buy" CBS all access to watch anymore of this shit.
Good thing The Scene is taking care of that for you with webrips. As for Romulans, TNG established that they're different enough from Vulcanians to the extent that they can't accept blood/organ transplants for them, which might suck if one of their deep cover agents gets in some kind of accident.

Heresay, from what I understand. McFarlane did want to do another Trek. Hell, he has the liquidity to fund one on his own, but they rejected it. Likely the Paramount-CBS split. So he turned to Fox, since that's where his empire is. They accepted it. I think he honestly wanted to do a series, because a lot of the jokes seemed really tacked on at the last minute. Like notes in the margin saying they should put a joke here if they can.

As for the Worf series, I doubt it, too. One of the unwritten rules (again, heresay), is that the captain should always be human, because they represent us as humans, and thus relatable. Having him as a first officer and playing against a peaceful, logical captain could be an interesting inverse on the Kirk-Spock dynamic. I think Dorn would be fine with that, so long as he got to play Worf, though I believe he's the ambassador to Qo'nos post DS9.

Tim Russ loves Tuvok so much that he tries to insert him where he can, even making fanfiction of him. He had a show going, but then the CBS Fan Film rules went into effect, so he had to change all the names. Still a Vulcan in Tuvok's vein.

I want a Worf Chronicles with Tuvok as his security chief. Worf is back from the Empire, his commission reactivated by Starfleet to find a threat to the Federation and the Klingon Empires. Tuvok is there for some reason, transferred from the Titan. (Tuvok being security chief on board the Titan is canon.)
 
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I mean, Worf is my favorite, so I'd probably be more excited for that than a Picard show...

But I don't know if I trust anybody with Star Trek at this point.
 
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I think Dorn would be fine with that, so long as he got to play Worf, though I believe he's the ambassador to Qo'nos post DS9.
The TNG movies shit all over that by dragging him back and making him a depressed drunk or something in Nemesis who ended back at his old post. It was an especially cruel move since Worf had been blackballed from further promotions in Starfleet
 
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