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This study is claiming a mortality rate of closer to 11%, although it's a small sample size
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This study is claiming a mortality rate of closer to 11%, although it's a small sample size
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Rome has got people throwing rocks at chinese people and segregation/banning signs on local bars and restaurants. This is going to be funny if this virus is ever stopped because the Italian economy iirc is stagnant and requires Chinese money to continue running.Chinese women in nyc attacked for wearing a mask.
Notice that the attacker is black
Tony He on Twitter
“Chinese woman gets attacked for wearing a mask in nyc. #coronaviruschina #coronavirus #NYC https://t.co/IlaYC9aMjE”twitter.com
Italian panic over coronavirus targets Chinese
Italy's leaders condemn a series of incidents affecting Chinese students and tourists.
www.bbc.com
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Technically, Brazil DOES NOT YET have any case, only suspects. I see the site isn't considering the cases that are only suspected or being tested.
Considering they're half owned by the Chinese (just like Venezuela), could be that they're not being honest.
Meaning, it will be hard for certain parents to take their children to muti-- I mean, to give them gender reaffirming surgery? oh, noes...
Yes, first thing I noticed too, and it's odd when you remember most hospitals are very strict about letting people enter in certain areas. At least in the ones I've been, people are only allowed to somehow wander around the rooms where people are recovering, waiting surgeries, in treatment, or ill with non-contagious things. Still, as WE could be bringing THEM illnesses, nurses and doctors don't like us to be around that much.
In the video posted few pages ago, it's strange not just how people are so close to dead bodies but how different they are from the doctors who wear protective clothes all over. I think that's the reason it's spreading all over China so fast rather than the virus being this deadly or fast. The rest of the world, even third world hellholes, are on full alert as soon as a case pops up and hospitals turn on all their alarms on how taking care of it properly.
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Rome has got people throwing rocks at chinese people and segregation/banning signs on local bars and restaurants. This is going to be funny if this virus is ever stopped because the Italian economy iirc is stagnant and requires Chinese money to continue running.
Italian panic over coronavirus targets Chinese
Italy's leaders condemn a series of incidents affecting Chinese students and tourists.
My Take: Italy's Government is about as smart as cum stained sweater. They sold their soul to China years ago for short term profits. It is one of their travel destinations. And because of this there are large Chinese communities that take care of China and that is all. Italy is no different than any of the Asian, African, Arabs, SE Asian countries that participate into China's Belt, Road Policy. You sign up for promises and you get ass reamed in the deal.
Here are some of the reasons why there is tension in Italy.
Investigation of Chinese sweatshops in Italy Note: I chose DW Documentaries due to their reliable content 4/4/2012, 9:16 minutes.
Investigation of Chinese sweatshops in Italy | Journal Reporter
Reporter Philipp Bilsky explores a network of Chinese sweatshops in Italy. He travels to Prato in Tuscany, where he is met by a wall of silence from the loca...
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The Italian Town Overwhelmed By Chinese Migrants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYSmGPI0naw 6/15/2015 8:16 minutes
As far as Italy's leaders condemning the incidents? Why of course they are. They are sucking on Whinne the Poo's ballz and getting rimmed job for years.
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Its hard to be honest if you dont have the infrastructure to care for a couple of cases.
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No, we've just reached the limit to what can be tested everyday. Looking at the rate of increase its vaguely linear as would be expected of hitting the testing ceiling.
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Also the china uncensored podcast that's currently ongoing claims hospitals only get roughly 100 new test kits a day.
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When looking at new cases, we need to start applying suspected cases when comparing to the simulation for obvious reasons.
E.g. Simulation infected | Confirmed + suspected cases | Confirmed cases | Suspected cases
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yeah, at least in China that would make sense. would be cool if the CDC could allow other hospitals to test instead of making really careful decisions about who's worthy enough to test. if you're not from wuhan or in very close contact w someone from wuhan you prob won't be considered.
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Ok, we all know the numbers we're getting out of China are bull. They're playing abadaba with death numbers, either not counting or calling it death by something else. Who knows about the infected numbers, anyone think they wouldnt play with those also? Same with the recovered numbers.
So the only thing we can really count on is numbers outside of China's control which at the moment are 185 confirmed/1 Dead/9 recovered.
To be honest after seeing what that one guy in Thailand went through recovered should really be called survived. He's not going to be the same for a long time if ever.
So the only thing we can really count on is numbers outside of China's control which at the moment are 185 confirmed/1 Dead/9 recovered.
To be honest after seeing what that one guy in Thailand went through recovered should really be called survived. He's not going to be the same for a long time if ever.
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BNO Newsroom on Twitter
“BREAKING: Multiple people with coronavirus on cruise ship off Yokohama, Japan; 10 people taken to hospital - NHK”
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You talking about the UK hiker guy? iirc he had a different disease, not n-cov.
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“BREAKING: Multiple people with coronavirus on cruise ship off Yokohama, Japan; 10 people taken to hospital - NHK”
Cruise ships are a petri dish for disease. All crammed in together, often indoors with piped air, shared eating and entertainment facilities. Wu Flu could rip through that population the way diarrhea does after a contaminated buffet. Not to mention it's older people who tend to take cruises, the flu's primary victims.
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Because I'm paranoid and I like maps, I checked the info from Johns Hopkins CSSE map and I put it in more simply terms. The lighter the color, the less cases reported. The lightest color is only 1 case. (it's not complete bc HK and Singapore are hard to locate there and I'm not counting the Americas because there is a full Ocean between us)
When you check these number, it's easy to draw more conclusions, without being an expert so feel free to correct me:
1. The most affected are the nearest countries, but not all of them. Japan and Thailand, the ones with more tourism are the most affected of the first bunch and it makes sense. Nothng odd there. At least Japan is the kind of country that won't allow the virus to spread into their population easily.
2. Following are the countries that are near, which it's also quite an obvious thing. The cases are less than 20, which is still a number to be wary, but not yet panic. Australia is not near, but many Asians, especially Chinese, go there. Not surprised. It's still less than 20. I doubt these numbers will increase, at least in Australia. These countries (not all) have already closed the border to China, so they might make it whole).
3. People in the border of China with the Middle East aren't reporting cases. Also, those countries have no cases yet. This could be mean things: either is unreported cases or the simplest explanation that Chinese people don't go to Muslim countries (this will protect Europe). Eventually, we could be seeing a few Chinese citizens from that area trying to escape anyway because they're not sick and don't want to be put under quarantine.
4. The cases in Europe happened because of tourists. They helped the virus to spread, and they all travelled by plane. Meaning, the virus has high chances of being contained in airports and we will only see cases that are already in Europe but not coming from China.
My point is, that while things are hard in China, what we're seeing is expected and normal so far. The virus escaped a few borders, but the numbers are low and will likely be taken care of. The virus was taken by tourists, people with certain capacity for mobility, so we won't be seeing sick Chinese people running around like zombies infecting everybody.
The cases in America (Canada and US) are also quite normal due to the amount of people traveling there and 10 or 11 people are a low number.
I'm not saying "everything is fine", but not as bad as many make it look. At least for now.
When you check these number, it's easy to draw more conclusions, without being an expert so feel free to correct me:
1. The most affected are the nearest countries, but not all of them. Japan and Thailand, the ones with more tourism are the most affected of the first bunch and it makes sense. Nothng odd there. At least Japan is the kind of country that won't allow the virus to spread into their population easily.
2. Following are the countries that are near, which it's also quite an obvious thing. The cases are less than 20, which is still a number to be wary, but not yet panic. Australia is not near, but many Asians, especially Chinese, go there. Not surprised. It's still less than 20. I doubt these numbers will increase, at least in Australia. These countries (not all) have already closed the border to China, so they might make it whole).
3. People in the border of China with the Middle East aren't reporting cases. Also, those countries have no cases yet. This could be mean things: either is unreported cases or the simplest explanation that Chinese people don't go to Muslim countries (this will protect Europe). Eventually, we could be seeing a few Chinese citizens from that area trying to escape anyway because they're not sick and don't want to be put under quarantine.
4. The cases in Europe happened because of tourists. They helped the virus to spread, and they all travelled by plane. Meaning, the virus has high chances of being contained in airports and we will only see cases that are already in Europe but not coming from China.
My point is, that while things are hard in China, what we're seeing is expected and normal so far. The virus escaped a few borders, but the numbers are low and will likely be taken care of. The virus was taken by tourists, people with certain capacity for mobility, so we won't be seeing sick Chinese people running around like zombies infecting everybody.
The cases in America (Canada and US) are also quite normal due to the amount of people traveling there and 10 or 11 people are a low number.
I'm not saying "everything is fine", but not as bad as many make it look. At least for now.
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“BREAKING: Multiple people with coronavirus on cruise ship off Yokohama, Japan; 10 people taken to hospital - NHK”
Gross. Never mind that cruise ships are already incubators of all sorts of nasty illnesses with how often I hear stories of outbreaks of rotovirus and so on. Anyway, time to make some obligatory Resident Evil: Revelations jokes!
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BLAST is available for free to anyone. It's actually pretty easy to use. Here's a BLAST analysis from last week confirming someone's finding of possible recombinant RNA from another coronavirus (this can happen naturally & phylogenetic analysis is needed to understand origin of the virus) and correcting the false claim that it's an insert of "old human SARS" (it isn't). If anyone is curious to learn how to use some bioinformatics tools, that exercise and the one in this post should be easy to replicate. You can BLAST directly from the NCBI page of the sequence data. Just realize that this tool is usually just to get an initial understanding of the sequence. It's a simplistic & kind of biased view, but it's good for forming predictions if you don't have much familiarity w the sequence yet.
Let's look at exactly where they claim to have found a match. This pic was shown on the article:
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Okay, let's recreate this. if you wanna try it out yourself, WuFlu is here, pShuttle-NS is here. You can also get to the BLAST tool from here.
Run the sequences against each other and query the subranges that were pointed out above. (EDIT: I realized after doing this that even though I got the ranges from this pic they probably weren't trying to specifically indicate that window as being more important. you could do this without specifying subranges and the result is p much the same. pairing estimates are better quality, but the identity score is still dogshit. this essentially allows you to be more confident in your judgement of how dogshit it is lol)
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Uh... nope.
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Fine, let's try being really lenient.
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Got it now... wait, LOL a 65.7% match? This is what we're claiming is the evidence of genetic engineering?
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Is that really the best match we can get for this little sequence? Try doing a simple search on that same genomic window of the WuFlu sequence using the same criteria, but not forcing BLAST to align it onto pShuttle-SN. Just asking it to pull out the most statistically significant matches.
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Well would you look at that. The sequence is not only found in wild type coronavirus, but is an even more significant match to the wild type.
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It's important to realize that all of these (including pShuttle-SN from earlier) have relatively weak E-values. The E-value is like a quality test, and tells how confident you can be in the result. Sort of like p-values, you want very low numbers. High numbers mean that the result isn't really statistically significant and matches could by occurring by chance. Anything higher than 1*10^-50 would not be significant enough for considering direct matches. These E-values could be decent enough to look into homology, and the identity % appears more indicative of homology anyway. Almost like coronaviruses descend from each other or something
This sequence even has a better alignment score to actual-fucking-SARS so it's funny to me that he felt the need mention some random ass sequence to make his conspiracy theory. I guess he was trying to make it more mysterious by claiming that it comes from "the 1980’s in China to create a more immunogenic coronavirus"... pay no attention to the fact that this shit was created in 2005 for a study into developing a vaccine for SARS lmao. Did SARS-like viruses even exist in the 80s?
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TL;DR: so yeah, in short, this is bullshit. it's not even accidental bullshit, this guy manufactured a hoax. thanks for the problem, it was fun.
So I just want to encourage everyone to save the comment I'm quoting here in case you ever need BLAST because this is a much better tutorial than I could've ever done if I had gotten to my computer and if you ever need to fact check genetic info (super useful against creatards and woo peddlers) BLAST can be quite useful. Holy ahit this is gold.
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That might be, and i'll damned if I can find the article I had read to double check where I got that from. Only Tuesday and my mind is already shot.
Wow. Thank you for such detailed answer! I thought it was either a fool making stupid mistakes or a lucky fool stumbling onto something. Wasn't expecting a straight up hoaxer.BLAST is available for free to anyone. It's actually pretty easy to use. Here's a BLAST analysis from last week confirming someone's finding of possible recombinant RNA from another coronavirus (this can happen naturally & phylogenetic analysis is needed to understand origin of the virus) and correcting the false claim that it's an insert of "old human SARS" (it isn't). If anyone is curious to learn how to use some bioinformatics tools, that exercise and the one in this post should be easy to replicate. You can BLAST directly from the NCBI page of the sequence data. Just realize that this tool is usually just to get an initial understanding of the sequence. It's a simplistic & kind of biased view, but it's good for forming predictions if you don't have much familiarity w the sequence yet.
Let's look at exactly where they claim to have found a match. This pic was shown on the article:
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Okay, let's recreate this. if you wanna try it out yourself, WuFlu is here, pShuttle-NS is here. You can also get to the BLAST tool from here.
Run the sequences against each other and query the subranges that were pointed out above. (EDIT: I realized after doing this that even though I got the ranges from this pic they probably weren't trying to specifically indicate that window as being more important. you could do this without specifying subranges and the result is p much the same. pairing estimates are better quality, but the identity score is still dogshit. this essentially allows you to be more confident in your judgement of how dogshit it is lol)
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Uh... nope.
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Fine, let's try being really lenient.
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Got it now... wait, LOL a 65.7% match? This is what we're claiming is the evidence of genetic engineering?
View attachment 1130348
Is that really the best match we can get for this little sequence? Try doing a simple search on that same genomic window of the WuFlu sequence using the same criteria, but not forcing BLAST to align it onto pShuttle-SN. Just asking it to pull out the most statistically significant matches.
View attachment 1130372
Well would you look at that. The sequence is not only found in wild type coronavirus, but is an even more significant match to the wild type.
View attachment 1130368
It's important to realize that all of these (including pShuttle-SN from earlier) have relatively weak E-values. The E-value is like a quality test, and tells how confident you can be in the result. Sort of like p-values, you want very low numbers. High numbers mean that the result isn't really statistically significant and matches could by occurring by chance. Anything higher than 1*10^-50 would not be significant enough for considering direct matches. These E-values could be decent enough to look into homology, and the identity % appears more indicative of homology anyway. Almost like coronaviruses descend from each other or something
This sequence even has a better alignment score to actual-fucking-SARS so it's funny to me that he felt the need mention some random ass sequence to make his conspiracy theory. I guess he was trying to make it more mysterious by claiming that it comes from "the 1980’s in China to create a more immunogenic coronavirus"... pay no attention to the fact that this shit was created in 2005 for a study into developing a vaccine for SARS lmao. Did SARS-like viruses even exist in the 80s?
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TL;DR: so yeah, in short, this is bullshit. it's not even accidental bullshit, this guy manufactured a hoax. thanks for the problem, it was fun.
I guess ... it makes sense in a way. This guy sometimes sounds like he knows what he's talking about but then gets totally incoherent in those important parts.
That makes one wonder, so there really are hoaxers actively discrediting antivaxers by pretending to be one?
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Of course you care more about tourism than your own people
Banning mainland travellers a risky ‘overreaction’ to virus, UN envoy says
‘Isolation is not beneficial to international collaboration and may interfere with prevention and control efforts,’ Chen Xu says, echoing World Health Organisation Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
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Any cases in Hawaii? That's likely a place that gets numbers of Chinese tourists.
@Computer Boy - You've got to be fucking shitting me. Never in my life have I seen a regime as obtuse as the CCP. Guess what, Needledick Chen? Nobody WANTS Chinese tourists in their country until China gets a handle on this virus outbreak. That may be some time from now. We cannot and do not trust your statistics. Hell, we cannot and do not trust the CCP. Tell the Emperor he has no clothes, and China's fucked this up almost beyond belief.
@Computer Boy - You've got to be fucking shitting me. Never in my life have I seen a regime as obtuse as the CCP. Guess what, Needledick Chen? Nobody WANTS Chinese tourists in their country until China gets a handle on this virus outbreak. That may be some time from now. We cannot and do not trust your statistics. Hell, we cannot and do not trust the CCP. Tell the Emperor he has no clothes, and China's fucked this up almost beyond belief.
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