Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[DidYouJustSayThat]

The scary thing about the Diamond Princess case is that if that many more people got infected after quarantine, that means that either this shit is so infectious that it can slip past quarantine easily, or in the even worse case, the test they're conducting can't detect infection up until a certain point.

Edit: and I love how the Ethiopians are basically making my earlier Africa to Europe doomsday prediction a reality now.

Look up difference between quarantine and isolation. Getting quarantined as a group is for protecting others, not you. Now, in ideal conditions, you would combine these two and isolate quarantined peoples from each other - cruise ship with thousands of people does not qualify. People on this ship infecting each other is not a failure of quarantine, but that jap official catching the Kung Flu from inspecting the ship is.

 

[Apathy is my superpower]

Well, well….. 2 new confirmed cases in Germany - again, the same cluster:

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany on Tuesday confirmed two more cases of coronavirus in the southern state of Bavaria, raising the overall number of known cases in Europe's most populous country to 16.
The two new cases of coronavirus are related to infections among staff at a company in the Starnberg district west of Munich, the Bavarian health ministry said.
Car supplier Webasto said last month a Chinese employee had tested positive for the virus upon returning to China following a visit to the headquarters near Munich. The employee apparently infected several German colleagues during the visit.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-02-11/germany-confirms-two-more-cases-of-coronavirus-raising-overall-number-to-16

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[wtfNeedSignUp]

North Korea's screwed. This is a country known for having concentration camps. Those are perfect breeding grounds for disease.

On its surface N. Korea is supposed to be a safe place due to the inability to easily travel around, however there is likely a large network of smuggling and black market there (including smuggling along Chinese borders) that can easily spread infections.
Ironically, that fat guy in charge there is probably in the lowest risk group for the disease. Though him needing hospital care might be used to set up some "accidents".

 

[Thumb Butler]

That's just a really sketchy way of saying 5,000 people died since yesterday, isn't it?

They're probably now confirmed cases. Yes, it's a way to make it sound better too.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Another irresponsible moron:

A Russian woman has escaped coronavirus quarantine by short-circuiting the magnetic lock in a hospital in St Petersburg, writes our Moscow correspondent Nataliya Vasilyeva .

Alla Ilyina told the Fontanka.ru website on Tuesday that she went to see a doctor with a sore throat several days after she returned from a popular holiday destination in China.

She said that she was misinformed about the length of the quarantine and was told on several occasions that she was healthy.

Ms Ilyina, dubbed Sarah Connor after the hard-nut character from the Terminator films, told Fontanka that she put her university education to good use while plotting the escape. “I did physics at university after all,” she said.

Irina Ckhindzheria, St Petersburg’s chief epidemiologist, condemned the escape as “an utterly irresponsible step”.

UK prisoner identified:

Prisoner tested for coronavirus believed to have been extradited from Thailand

It is understood that one of the two prisoners at HMP Bullingdon in Oxfordshire who are being tested for the the virus is 31-year-old Mark Rumble.

Mr Rumble arrived back in the UK on January 27 after being extradited from Thailand to face charges of conspiracy to supply class A drugs.

Both prisoners are both being held in isolation and are reported to be suffering flu-like symptoms.

Eh, should have left the degenerate to rot in Thailand. I knew he'd either be a sex offender or a junkie/junkie supplier.

First London coronavirus case confirmed as Chinese national tests positive

The first case of the coronavirus has been confirmed in London.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Meanwhile, the Chinese Grand Prix in Shanghai is expected to be postponed:

Coronavirus: Chinese Grand Prix postponed over virus fears

The Chinese Grand Prix - due to take place in Shanghai on 19 April - has been postponed because of the coronavirus outbreak.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Chinese Grand Prix is expected to be postponed as a result of the coronavirus outbreak.

The race is scheduled to be held in Shanghai on 19 April and a decision is set to be made in the next few days.

Formula 1 managing director Ross Brawn has previously said it will look to reschedule the race if it cannot be held on its original date.

The last time a race was postponed was 2011, when the Bahrain Grand Prix was affected by the Arab Spring uprisings.

On Tuesday, the FIA said it was "closely monitoring the evolving situation".

Formula 1 Group chief executive Chase Carey told Reuters: "We recognise that the postponement of the event is certainly a possibility and you could probably go even further and say a likelihood just given what seems to be transpiring."

 

[Niggaplease]

Any news about USA?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

How Fear Distorts Our Thinking About the Coronavirus

The solution isn’t to try to think more carefully. It’s to trust the experts.

Opinion | How Fear Distorts Our Thinking About the Coronavirus

The solution isn’t to try to think more carefully. It’s to trust the experts.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | How Fear Distorts Our Thinking About the Coronavirus - The …

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I don't really give a shit about the article. I'm just in awe of subtitle: "Don't think, Trust your betters."

In a non-clownworld this kind of article might have made sense. But in current climate the experts are paid off scumbags that would rather keep their stocks and investments high than actually give you helpful advise on how to keep yourself and your family healthy. Never mind that experts don't always agree and that some actions that are common sense are portrayed as being racist.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Any news about USA?

Other than the whole "San Diego accidentally released someone who tested positive by accident", no.

But given how easily this transmits, we'll either see a flare-up of cases there or if the theories about it infecting east Asians easier are true, it will fizzle. Since nobody with any sense trusts the reporting from China it's kind of a coin toss for what's going to happen.

 

[Apathy is my superpower]

Japanese Official Tests Positive After Visit to Cruise Ship

The man had surveyed passengers aboard the vessel being held under quarantine in the port of Yokohama.
The coronavirus has jumped from ship to shore, officials in Japan said on Wednesday, after an employee of the country’s Health Ministry tested positive for the illness after surveying passengers aboard a cruise ship being held under quarantine in the port of Yokohama.

New Cases Spike in Hubei Province

As the number of the sick and dead surged in Hubei Province, China’s Communist Party ousted the leader at the center of the outbreak.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Overly Serious]

So for someone with a whole lot of international travel over the next few weeks is this still a worry? Because it feels like this whole thing is turning out to be not too scary outside of some countries getting a bit draconian with confining people. Or is it premature to conclude this isn't going to be Spanish Flu 2: Viral Boogaloo?

 

[Unsweet]

So for someone with a whole lot of international travel over the next few weeks is this still a worry? Because it feels like this whole thing is turning out to be not too scary outside of some countries getting a bit draconian with confining people. Or is it premature to conclude this isn't going to be Spanish Flu 2: Viral Boogaloo?

Too soon to know. China fucked up bad and the numbers coming from them can't be trusted. We have to watch and see how things go in the west.

 

[Amerika First]

Coronavirus: hundreds in China sign petition calling for free speech

Led by academics, they also call on legislature to make February 6 – when whistle-blower doctor Li Wenliang died – a national day for free speech.

www.scmp.com

China wants free speech

 

[Tasty Tatty]

With that Indian killing himself and that crazy Chinese girl murdering people, I'd say we already entered to the hysteria phase.

 

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With that Indian killing himself and that crazy Chinese girl murdering people, I'd say we already entered to the hysteria phase.

Nah, they're outliers. The real madness will kick in in the next few weeks when they realize supplies are running out and the Chinese economy is collapsing.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Look up difference between quarantine and isolation. Getting quarantined as a group is for protecting others, not you. Now, in ideal conditions, you would combine these two and isolate quarantined peoples from each other - cruise ship with thousands of people does not qualify. People on this ship infecting each other is not a failure of quarantine, but that jap official catching the Kung Flu from inspecting the ship is.

The two safe options were to either take them onto the mainland and get them in isolation units or to make sure nobody entered or left the ship. Cruise ships aren't hospitals and there's no way to prevent health care workers from spreading the virus around everywhere. There's no negative pressure rooms or anterooms for removing PPE...'cause it's a damn cruise ship.

And now look what happened.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

The solution isn’t to try to think more carefully. It’s to trust the experts.

What a wonderful way to piss me off first thing in the morning. It's like they wrote this byline just for me.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

The two safe options were to either take them onto the mainland and get them in isolation units or to make sure nobody entered or left the ship. Cruise ships aren't hospitals and there's no way to prevent health care workers from spreading the virus around everywhere. There's no negative pressure rooms or anterooms for removing PPE...'cause it's a damn cruise ship.

And now look what happened.

If you reread my post, you'll see, that I made no value statements about the decision to leave them on that plague ship, my correction was purely technical and I still stand by it. The fact, that cruise ship denizens infected eachothers is technically not a failure of quarantine - the object of the procedure was to keep them avay from Tokyo as an unit. This has nothing to do with right and wrong or what's best for the passengers of that ship.

That said, I would love to see a public official without magic wand for pulling out 3000 isolation units with staff from his ass, but with the intestinal fortitude to allow these people off the ship.

 

[Ahriman]

Georgia residents returning from China forced into ‘self-isolation’ over coronavirus fears

The travelers spent time in mainland China, but not Hubei province — the epicenter of the outbreak — before returning home.

nypost.com

 

[eternal dog mongler]

That said, I would love to see a public official without magic wand for pulling out 3000 isolation units with staff from his ass, but with the intestinal fortitude to allow these people off the ship.

If anyone could do it, it'd be Japan. They have ridiculous amounts of excess capacity.

 

[JosephStalin]

Nah, they're outliers. The real madness will kick in in the next few weeks when they realize supplies are running out and the Chinese economy is collapsing.

THIS. You've heard my yaps about the web of support services people depend on, and how little margin China has in providing food to the people.

People in China have been, frankly, abused by the CCP throughout this entire thing. Every time a video of the police locking a family in, or beating up someone without a mask, people futilely begging for help for a loved one, or showing conditions in the death houses comes out, that perception is reinforced.

For some reason, the thought just popped into my head that China is already asking certain countries for help with food via the backchannel, or at least making large purchases of food overseas, very quietly. Xi knows once food riots start he will have one hell of a mess, maybe even an existential threat to the CCP. No food! My child is hungry! Streets full of garbage! Rats all over! My family's sick and no one will help! Wonder what the straw will be that breaks the CCP's back.