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The bioweapon has been discussed many times, just search for it. Fair to say, it's would be very hard to prove without somebody squealing, and like any good gang, the CCP knows that snitches get stitches.

I think it's most likely that it emerged naturally as these things do (something I said from nearly the start). I don't see how any government (i.e. either the CCP or the USG or somebody else) would intentionally release it, it is just too distructive with too high a chance of (literally) blowing up in their faces. Could be a Broken Arrow, but I doubt it.

However, I think there are some questions about the Wuhan Institute of Virology's safety procedures that aren't unreasonable to ask. I think the possibility of a link to Institute, either through the sale of test animals to wet market or the infection of a researcher that was covered up until it was too late, is quite possible. But again, hard to prove without eyewitnesses or document leaks. One circumstantial piece of evidence against this theory is that the CCP hasn't purged the Institute and it seems fairly open (by Chinese) in researching the virus. Of course, there could be a link that they don't know about, but frankly that is hard to distinguish from the completely natural case.

This virus doesn't look natural. It could be, but I doubt it is.

More likely and realistic explanation, imo? China modified this virus for very specific purposes such as create a strong vaccine so SARS wouldn't happen again. Someone exceptional sold one of the test animals to the wuhan market or the animal managed to escape and someone ate that shit.

Now, this world is fucking crazy, especially in the latest years, so I'm sure there is another less likely but very autistic explanation, I just don't know what it is.
 
When has hosting the massive pyramid scam Olympics brought actual economic benefits?
Exactly, I see it as nothing but a massive mianzi project. The term is actually valid in China and used in mainstream news, it's such a load of bluff.
I'd imagine it all being a gigantic loss... someone can correct me on it. Maybe in the long run, it boosts tourism and shit, I don't know. The first place I visited during the relatively recent Beijing trip was their Olympics stuff. Nicely lit up, colourful puzzles arranged randomly.

Project Autism.

This virus doesn't look natural. It could be, but I doubt it is.

More likely and realistic explanation, imo? China modified this virus for very specific purposes such as create a strong vaccine so SARS wouldn't happen again. Someone exceptional sold one of the test animals to the wuhan market or the animal managed to escape and someone ate that shit.

Now, this world is fucking crazy, especially in the latest years, so I'm sure there is another less likely but very autistic explanation, I just don't know what it is.
SARS had a higher death rate.
So it can go both ways. As @Otterly has stated, nature is just as capable in brewing up something like this.
Looks pretty natural to me, China has 4 times the population of the US, with landsize as big but liveable space also smaller. The States is kind of blessed in a way, much of the land is habitable compared to other massive countries such as Cucknadia and Aboland.

Instead of fiddling with dangerous pathogens and/or assisting nature in creating fucked up viruses, maybe Winnie can reign down on the filthy wet markets and filthy inhabitants of his honeypot. Learn how to wash hands and prepare protein.
 
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If doctors are saying transmission is mostly from respiratory droplets why is the most common advice to wash my hands? My lungs will be filled with death but my hands will be dry and sterile
Droplets float and land. Fomite (via surface) transmission is then a big deal. You touch a door handle, then adjust your glasses, or rub your eyes... bingo.
There are plenty of you tube videos of how far sneeze droplets can go, and plenty where they contaminate a surface with something that shows under black light and track it as people spread it round. They’re fun to watch.
People think things like toilets are dirty but they’re not that bad. Stuff that is bad is stuff that’s handled and left a lot: your phone, handrails, door handles, office desks and keyboards, PIN pads, escalator rails...
Plus the number of people who just do not wash their hands is astounding. It seems to be endemic in middle class ‘crunchy’ mum types who insist dirt is good and thus wash themselves and their kids once a week. Dirt is good if it’s your kids playing with the dog/in the garden and then washing their hands well before dinner. never washing hands in an urban environment is a recipe for disaster. There’s dirt and dirt.
 
Canadians being told to prepare for a possible novel coronavirus pandemic

As novel coronavirus outbreaks spread across a growing list of countries, Canadians are being warned to prepare for a possible pandemic.

In a shift from previous messages, Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Theresa Tam acknowledged Monday that Canada may no longer be able to contain and limit the virus if it continues to spread around the world. She said governments, businesses and individuals should prepare for an outbreak or pandemic.

“We are coming to similar conclusions,” agreed Dr. Vera Etches, the City of Ottawa’s top health officer, on Monday. “It looks like it is going to be more and more difficult to contain this virus and it may well evolve into a pandemic. That would change the efforts to contain every last case and contact.”

Etches said people can take steps now, at home and at work, to prepare.


Some of those steps include stocking up on needed prescriptions ahead of time so there is no need to do so during a possible pandemic. She also recommended people stock up on non-perishable food.

“Imagine if someone was ill for a week. What would you need?”

She said there are ongoing discussions about setting up an assessment centre outside of hospitals to reduce pressure on the health system.

“The global risk situation is evolving,” said Tam, noting that the novel coronavirus, or COVID-19, has grown beyond its epicentre in China to include rapid community spreading in several countries. “The window for containment is closing. These signs are worrisome.”

She made the comments shortly after Ontario and British Columbia confirmed their latest cases of novel coronavirus, bringing the Canadian total to 11. In Ontario, a woman in her twenties, who returned to Toronto after travelling in China, is the latest presumptive case. The patient has only mild symptoms and has isolated herself, say Ontario health officials.

The World Health Organization is telling countries to prepare as if COVID-19 is a pandemic, although it has not declared it one.

Etches, meanwhile, said people should be prepared in the workplace as well, by ensuring someone else is available to take on necessary tasks if an employee is sick.

Etches and other health officials continue to encourage people to wash their hands regularly and practice keeping their hands away from their faces to prevent spread.

There have been no cases of COVID-19 in Ottawa. To date, 25 people have tested negative. Etches said one or two people come to the attention of Ottawa Public Health every day and are assessed as to whether they meet the case definition for testing.

In Ontario, 540 potential cases have tested negative, nine are under investigation, three cases have not been resolved and there is one new presumptive positive. British Columbia has had a total of seven cases.

Meanwhile, the remaining Canadians repatriated from Wuhan and quarantined at Trenton Air Base are due to head home. In Cornwall, at the Nav Centre, 129 Canadians are being quarantined after having been evacuated off the Diamond Princess cruise ship. In Japan, 48 Canadians who were aboard the cruise are being treated for symptoms of COVID-19. Thirty four of the former passengers are hospitalized, said Tam, two of them in critical condition.

Globally, there have been 79,331 confirmed cases of COVID-19, 77,262 of them in China. There have been 2,595 deaths in China and 23 deaths outside China, with cases in 30 countries.
 
Minnesota experts: It’s time families plan for COVID-19 outbreak
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/...y-its-time-families-plan-for-covid19-outbreak (http://archive.vn/lAikt)

So far, there are a few dozen confirmed cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, in the United States.

But Minnesota Department of Health infectious disease director Kris Ehresmann said it's very likely there will be outbreaks of the virus here. And Michael Osterholm, an expert in infectious disease at the University of Minnesota, said people should assume the virus will hit hard.

Ehresmann said Monday that the state is well prepared to identify cases quickly and isolate them. But if cases are widespread, it's likely that schools, churches and other public meeting spaces would be closed.

"When we talk about shutting things down, we look at how can we use that strategy effectively to slow down the spread of the disease so that we can manage it better," she said.

Ehresmann said slowing the spread of a fast-moving virus can be critical to helping manage it. The World Health Organization has praised China for shutting down communities in an effort to slow the virus.

She explained why the speed with which the virus spreads is important: “Because if you have a really steep acceleration of new cases of disease, that has the potential to overwhelm your health care system."

Ehresmann said health officials are concerned about adequate supplies for hospitals in the event of a pandemic. Many hospitals are already handling a lot of patients from a busy influenza season, she said.

Osterholm, director of the university’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, said people should plan for the worst.

"We're sure not trying to project doom and gloom,” he said. “But we have to be honest so that when people begin to see this unfold that they say, ‘Well, you know, we knew this could happen, and this is what we're going to do about it.’"

Osterholm said there need to be plans for keeping basic infrastructure like electricity flowing and food supplies on store shelves if large numbers of people are sick. And families also need to have a plan.

"Families need to have plans for how they will stay in contact with each other,” he said. “Who's going to take care of Grandma if she gets sick? For single parent families, who's going to be there when the kids get sick or the or the mom or dad gets sick? That's the kind of thing right now that is really important that we need to begin to address, and you know we haven't."

Ehresmann said there are some simple but important things everyone can do to reduce the spread of a virus: Stay home when you're sick. Limit physical contact like handshakes.

And she said everyone should think about what they would need to care for sick family members at home.

“Just to make sure that you know you have some basic resources, in terms of foodstuffs and things like that,” she said. “So that if you would have family members get sick and you were unable to go out for a few days, do you have enough basic supplies to kind of keep going?"

Ehresmann and Osterholm both said no one should panic, but everyone should prepare.


It will be interesting to see how the WuFlu affects the Somalis in Minnesota.
 
This virus doesn't look natural. It could be, but I doubt it is.

More likely and realistic explanation, imo? China modified this virus for very specific purposes such as create a strong vaccine so SARS wouldn't happen again. Someone exceptional sold one of the test animals to the wuhan market or the animal managed to escape and someone ate that shit.

Now, this world is fucking crazy, especially in the latest years, so I'm sure there is another less likely but very autistic explanation, I just don't know what it is.
Well, we know that back in July a Canadian virologist specializing in coronavirus was caught smuggling samples out for China and fired. So... yeah.
 
Perhaps we can get Ilhan Omar to visit her constituents to assure them everything's going to be OK.

Sadly, Minnesota's so cucked that people will probably stage "Hug-a-Somalian" events to make sure that Coronavirus spreads good and far. Hacking and coughing your brains out are a sign that you're not racist!
 
1,000 tourists 'are quarantined' at Tenerife hotel popular with British families after Italian holidaymaker tested positive for coronavirus
By Jack Elsom and Gerard Couzens and Rita Sobot For Mailonline01:53 25 Feb 2020, updated 08:05 25 Feb 2020
  • The patient had travelled from Lombardy, which has now been locked down
  • Guests have reportedly been quarantined inside the H10 Costa Adeje Palace
  • Italy has 229 cases of the virus and 7 deaths, the largest outbreak in Europe
  • EU officials foresee a 'moderate to high' risk of more new coronavirus clusters
  • Are you staying at the hotel? Get in touch - tips@dailymail.com or tim.stickings@mailonline.co.uk
A Tenerife hotel was on lockdown today after an Italian tourist tested positive for coronavirus.

The visitor was found to be infected yesterday after feeling unwell during his stay at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace.

Around 1,000 guests have now been quarantined inside the hotel, Spanish media says, with police reportedly surrounding the complex which is popular with Britons.

The case will spark further fears over the spiralling virus outbreak coming from Italy, amid growing calls for EU chiefs to suspend the Schengen free travel rules.

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An Italian holidaymaker was found to be infected yesterday after feeling unwell during his stay at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace (file photo) in Tenerife
The Italian tourist was tested for the killer virus after going to a private clinic in Adeje in the south of Tenerife after falling ill.

The visitor, who comes from Italy’s Lombardy region where several people have died, had reportedly been staying at the hotel for seven days with his wife.

A report by Canary Islands newspaper Diario de Avisos said state security forces were stationed at the complex to prevent anyone from entering or leaving.

Canary Islands president Angel Victor Torres confirmed yesterday: 'This afternoon the coronavirus protocol has been activated for an Italian tourist in the south of Tenerife.

'The result from the first test carried out in the Canaries is positive. Tomorrow new tests will take place in Madrid. The patient has been quarantined.'

A spokesman for the regional health authority added: 'The protocol states that a second test must take place at the National Microbiology Centre at the Carlos III Health Institute in Madrid.

'The patient has been quarantined and is under the care of health workers.'

Source
 
1,000 tourists 'are quarantined' at Tenerife hotel popular with British families after Italian holidaymaker tested positive for coronavirus
By Jack Elsom and Gerard Couzens and Rita Sobot For Mailonline01:53 25 Feb 2020, updated 08:05 25 Feb 2020
  • The patient had travelled from Lombardy, which has now been locked down
  • Guests have reportedly been quarantined inside the H10 Costa Adeje Palace
  • Italy has 229 cases of the virus and 7 deaths, the largest outbreak in Europe
  • EU officials foresee a 'moderate to high' risk of more new coronavirus clusters
  • Are you staying at the hotel? Get in touch - tips@dailymail.com or tim.stickings@mailonline.co.uk
A Tenerife hotel was on lockdown today after an Italian tourist tested positive for coronavirus.

The visitor was found to be infected yesterday after feeling unwell during his stay at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace.

Around 1,000 guests have now been quarantined inside the hotel, Spanish media says, with police reportedly surrounding the complex which is popular with Britons.

The case will spark further fears over the spiralling virus outbreak coming from Italy, amid growing calls for EU chiefs to suspend the Schengen free travel rules.

25159374-8040361-image-a-10_1582615070735.jpg
An Italian holidaymaker was found to be infected yesterday after feeling unwell during his stay at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace (file photo) in Tenerife
The Italian tourist was tested for the killer virus after going to a private clinic in Adeje in the south of Tenerife after falling ill.

The visitor, who comes from Italy’s Lombardy region where several people have died, had reportedly been staying at the hotel for seven days with his wife.

A report by Canary Islands newspaper Diario de Avisos said state security forces were stationed at the complex to prevent anyone from entering or leaving.

Canary Islands president Angel Victor Torres confirmed yesterday: 'This afternoon the coronavirus protocol has been activated for an Italian tourist in the south of Tenerife.

'The result from the first test carried out in the Canaries is positive. Tomorrow new tests will take place in Madrid. The patient has been quarantined.'

A spokesman for the regional health authority added: 'The protocol states that a second test must take place at the National Microbiology Centre at the Carlos III Health Institute in Madrid.

'The patient has been quarantined and is under the care of health workers.'

Source
I mean, there are worse places to be quarantined at least
 
Maybe there is some thruth to the higher susceptibility of ethnic groups with more ACE2-cells, apart from the evironmental and behavioural influences. Lombardy is in northern Italy, but so is Tuscany. The Toscani genome was the last in the list of populations at higher risk someone posted earlier. I'm neither competent in that realm nor do I know the origin of that list other than someone took it of the 1000 Genomes project somehow. but maybe the Lombardese have comparable genomes?
You forget that in the North live hundreds of thousands of people from the South (think Naples, Palermo, people from Apulia etc.). The internal migration is bleeding dry the South. There is a huge shortage of work in the North, especially skilled, guess how the situation can be in the poorest areas of the country. Young people migrate to the North not just for work but also for studying. If you walked in the area around Bocconi University in Milan you wouldn't hear people talking with a northern accent, you'd hear primarily English and southern accents. This has been going for generations. In Piedmont and Liguria there are huge communities of families from Calabria, Lombardy has tons of people from everywhere since it's the richest region. I doubt it's genetic.

Keep also in mind that in 2018 in Milan alone there were 400,000 Chinese tourists and the figures have gone up in 2019. In 2018 Lombardy had more than 7 million tourists. It was expected for Chinese tourism in Italy (especially in the North and Milan) to grow thanks to an Italian-Chinese trade agreement, the new so-called Silk Road. As I said previously, Milan and Lombardy are the economic and financial heart of the country, it goes without saying that many firms (from small manufacturing ones to huge multinational corporations) have an almost daily contact with China. I'm not surprised there have been many contaminations here. (Sources: Lombardy figures; Chinese tourism 2019; Chinese tourism in Milan.)

By the way, Italy is the third most visited country in Europe. You know who the other two are? Germany and France. This is why I don't believe for a second that only we have been hit so harshly with the virus.

I have a cousin living in Italy right now, I can confirm free travel is still allowed in most of the country. He didn’t see any signs of a lockdown anywhere in southern Italy. Apparently the south is not panicking like the north is.
When the first cases are confirmed in the South I can guarantee that panic will ensue. We're known for being drama whores for a reason, more so in the South.
 
I also find it really weird that there haven't been more cases confirmed across the continent,
Still, it's hard to separate this from the seasonal background crud.
Exactly. Nobody has looked, and most of Northern Europe gets hit with a load of respiratory illnesses every winter anyway. Nobody is doing community surveillance so nobody knows
 
Had an interesting convo with my elderly Mom today.
It made me aware of something I haven't been doing IRL, and that is communicating honestly and truthfully (with people I know and care about) some of the info that has been collated here. Not to alarm, but to educate, gently.

Mom gets most of her world info from one source, probably like most elders and normies. For my mom, that info comes from Fox network on the TV... I was not surprised to hear that what little she knew about Corona, was heavily biased in one direction and sorely lacking in actual info. And my mom even spent almost 50 years in the medical profession, so I kind of expected her to have a little more savvy on world medical happenings. She hadn't even heard about the outbreak in Italy and how large it was; nor the occurrences in Iran.

I was appalled at how little news she had been exposed to, but gladdened by how open she was to more info. That probably has to do in part with the fact that her father barely survived the Spanish Flu in 1919. I did not present it as doomsday bullshit, in fact, most of what she had heard from her particular source was rather skewed towards conspiritard horseshit. so mostly what I told her was the numerical facts. When I see her tomorrow, I will bring my PC and let her have a gander at as much of this thread as she can stand at 84 years old and will probably start her off with watching Dr. Grampy Campbells vids . I was happy that the question she kept asking me was if the this info was true and verified, Our elders are not stupid, just not savvy to the whole world of info.

All this to say, one of the most proactive things anyone of us can do is to spread AWARENESS to those we know irl. The info contained in this thread is common sense for any type of virus, so even passing on the info that there is a "bad strain of flu" going around can only serve to remind people to protect themselves and others. Give as much info to that individual as they are able to grok. Calm the more prone to hysteria, and wake up the uninformed. Just like we do here on KF, let them read it all, and then form their own opinions.

There is no stopping a pandemic, if this is what Corona turns out to be, but forewarned is forearmed. At the very least, it may stop the old fucks from coughing in the buffet at the Golden Corral.
 
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