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In the hands of someone who doesn't know shit about guns? An empty 12-gauge. Practice looking unhinged while working the pump. The sound alone will probably make people scatter. But it takes a not-few amount of hours practice at a range before I'd say someone isn't just a danger to themselves and people around them with a gun, so if you don't have the time to devote to actually learning how to use it well before Corona's slutting it up in the US cities, it's too late to get a gun.

That being said, if you do unwisely buy yourself a gun without training in how to use it, at least buy frangible rounds for it. They're designed to blow apart on impact, so in theory if you miss the person you're shooting at, they won't punch through the wall and your kid on the other side of the wall. It will at least reduce the odds of you accidentally killing your family.

I am a huge proponent of the 12-gauge pump gun with a bead sight and a white light. There is no greater weapon on this planet for defending your home. There is no human being alive on the planet that can drug themselves or adrenaline themselves out of noticing a fist-sized hole in their chest from being shot by 00-buck from across a room. There is no other tool in most arsenals that truly live up to the adage of "one shot, one kill." Every red-blooded American should own a shotgun and know how to use it to defend themselves so long as they are physically capable of shooting a shotgun.

That being said.

I really don't believe the "just rack the pump and they'll run away" meme. If whoever it is means you harm, they'll just as soon shoot at where they heard a shotgun being racked than anything. I would not trust that they would be sufficiently intimidated to turn tail and run.

If you want to defend yourself and your family, and you honestly think COVID-19 is going to butt fuck us tomorrow and you got a hole burning in your pocket, an AR15 loaded with 55gr soft points would be your best bet. Put a red dot (Holosun comes to mind) and white light on it, spend a few hours at a range, and any schmuck will be able to hit an intruder center mass without much problem.

I own a few ARs. My 5'0", <100lb wife was able to ring steel at 100 yards while standing the first time she fired one of my ARs with a red dot on it. They really are about as close to "easy mode" as you can get.

With all that said, I don't believe we're on the precipice of sucking dicks for grains of rice because of global societal breakdown due to Corona, so I would personally recommend buying a pump gun and taking a fighting shotgun class.
 
Oy vey!

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You can always hope the Hepatitus, Herpes and AIDS kills him before he has a chance to pass on Corona-Chan?
One can only hope. I've been fuckin with his head dropping the info I've been reading here and other places. He gets wound up over the silliest things so it's been a hoot.

I'm waiting for the right time to drop this particular nightmare nugget on him.
 
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The way trump treats this really wont do him any favors
 
Everybody thinks where they live now is the perfect place already.

I know of a few abandoned houses and barns where, if absolutely needed, I can hole up in.

However, I'd rather not risk tetanus for anything short of the impossible: Armageddon.

In any event, where I live now is not the perfect place. There are far too many Chinese here.
 
Taking in account there is a lag factor, not an expert, but it doesn't look good.

From 10 to 11 now.


If Italy continues to give out real numbers we might finally see what's really going on with this virus... I'm sorry for them to be the reality check / test case for the rest of us.. They can thank China and the Who for being so honest that no one took the right precautions / anticipative measures.
Word on the street is that somebody let the virus loose on Italy on purpose to let the real numbers come out.
 
Comfy at home today, since apparently I won't work for a week, so I took advantage of the day off to go to the clinic and retrieve the results of my RMI. All the clerks at the counter wore latex gloves (last week they didn't). Later, my sister called me to tell me that today she went to the hospital for a blood test, and all the nurses wore goggles and masks in addition to the usual gloves.

Meanwhile, apparently the other European countries think about Italian government as a bunch of paranoid crazies, because the coronavirus should be treated like a normal flu.

At this point, I'd just like to avoid nuisances caused by other people's incompetence and lack of common sense.
They’re hoping it can be treated like the flu, especially in reasonably healthy people from developed nations. We’ll know soon enough now.
 
Thinking of window shopping for firearms this weekend. I've always kept a shotgun in my closet, but I only ever use it for hunting pheasant/water fowl (20 or 28 gauge iirc), so I may something that packs more of a wallop and isn't limited to two shots. Any /k/iwis got suggestions for what I should look for?
 
my general survival skills are lacking but guns are something I do know and have put a lot of thought into. autism incoming but there's probably not going to be one perfect gun to ride out the apocalypse so it's all about what you're willing to spend, what your personal circumstances dictate you'll be doing should the world end, the laws in your area that dictate what you can currently buy, and what performance characteristics you're willing to compromise on. Also before you pick up a gun, I'd suggest trying to get some training from someone since they do have a learning curve and you need to be instilled with proper safe handling.

Pistols are the easiest guns to keep on your person at all time, which is great because the biggest most badass gun ever made can't help you if it's not within easy reach. There's lots of choices out there for semiauto pistols that should go for thousands if not tens of thousands of rounds with no more maintenance than occasional cleaning, and maybe an easily-replaceable part like a new mainspring or extractor along the way. (Beretta, CZ, Glock, SIG, Walther, HK, S&W, etc- most will shoot well and run fine so it kinda comes down to personal preference. Maybe rent some guns at a local range?) Be sure to pick a common caliber, no hipster shit that would be hard to obtain like .357 SIG or 10mm! 9mm Luger is the most popular centerfire handgun caliber and for good reason- it's the cheapest, it strikes a good balance between decent power and manageable recoil, and it also allows high capacity in a reasonably-sized gun. Budget for accessories as well- grab a bunch of mags, a bunch of ammo, some spare parts like I mentioned earlier, and I'd make sure my gun has a rail so I can slap a weaponlight on it. For a fullsize pistol the Streamlight TLR-1 and Olight PL-2 Valkyrie are two affordable CR123 lights I've had good experiences with, and can be found in the $100 range. Stock up on batteries and see if you can find a holster that will fit your chosen pistol with the chosen light mounted, if not there are shops that can make custom holsters for your specific setup. I for real cannot stress how much you want a good holster. Features like fiber optic or tritium sights will help you get a sight picture in low light, if you decide against the added size/cost of the weaponlight or just want to be sneaky. The downside of pistols are that the terminal effects on bad guys are less impressive than the following choices, and they're also the hardest to shoot accurately since you don't have the support of a shoulder stock.

A shotgun can be a good choice for home defense, but I'd rather have a semiauto pistol or rifle. Still shotguns are affordable, they usually don't require the added cost of mags, they're usually extremely durable and reliable, and 12ga ammo is pretty common. 20ga is less common, but not exactly rare either. Birdshot can be nasty at point blank range but is only good for killing birds at any sort of distance, so buckshot or slugs are what you want (for close-medium or medium-long range shots respectively.) I'd stick with a tubefed pump action like a Mossberg 590A1 or an older Remington 870, probably an 18-20" barrel, since those will last forever and parts availability is great. Get a good sling, get a weaponlight and some way to attach it to the gun, and search around to figure out what might break on whatever gun you have and order spares. Downsides are low capacity, long reload times, fairly high recoil, pump-actions can suffer from malfunctions if you don't work them with authority, and it's not as easy to carry around all day compared to a much smaller pistol.

My preference for home defense is actually an intermediate or pistol-caliber carbine, like a shorter 5.56 AR-15 or a CZ Scorpion EVO with a shoulder brace. The AR-15 will be loud as hell indoors, but is otherwise mild to shoot and a very effective round between 0-250 yards. (That range isn't needed for home defense in urban areas, but it's nice if you're out in the sticks and trying to keep a perimeter on property with clear lines of sight.) Expanding or frangible 5.56/.223 ammo is common and affordable, so are accessories and spare parts. You can build an AR from scratch with fairly minimal hand tools, so with the right tools repairing them yourself is entirely possible. Decent ARs are all over the place and they aren't that expensive, just look for one with a 5.56 or .223 Wylde chamber matched to a C158 bolt and 4150 CMV barrel. Get a spare bolt and small parts kit, they're readily available. A good red dot or 1-4x scope like an MTAC work great on those guns, depending on how far you think you'll be shooting. Pmags are good, Lancer L5AWMs are prooobably better overall? Alternatively some pistol caliber carbines like the Ruger PC or some AR-9 models will take mags from pistols, which means you could get a rifle/pistol combo that draws from the same pool of magazines and ammo. Carry the pistol just in case, and grab the rifle if shit goes down. Most pistol ammo will get a velocity boost from the rifle barrel, and it'll be easier to land hits with. Again not as portable as a pistol but both choices are compact, accurate, have low recoil, and will stop an aggressor.

Get some good safety glasses and electronic earpro too. If you really wanna go ham with this end-of-the-world shit there's affordable body armor that can stop rifle-caliber rounds from companies like AR500 armor, because it's nice to be able to be shot at and at least have some of your most important bits be covered
shit like this makes me wish i was an american. i can't buy any guns not even a fucking crossbow without jumping through hoops, the only weapon i could buy just to make sure i had something to protect myself with if shit goes bad is a fucking bow and arrows.
 
Fair enough. Any idea of the vector they used? Did they just send some guy over or did someone infect themselves on purpose? Or is it like a smallpox blankets scenario?
 
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Italy has tens of thousands of visiting Chinese tourists, settled diaspora Chinese who go back home to relatives for New Year and Chinese business-linked people flying back and forth at any one time who could have shed the virus while there. It's a far simpler explanation that in an age where the average person can afford to fly around the world every year and business is conducted globally, that a virus came in with someone from China or someone exposed somewhere else to someone from China. Could even be someone from another part of the EU who came in, spread their germs around unwittingly before developing symptoms, and crossed back over the border into France or Switzeland or wherever, and was maybe unaware they even had the virus at all. Some people are asymptomatic while shedding virus through every orifice. They could have used a public bathroom and someone used it after them and didn't wash their hands and then ate their lunch sandwich or rubbed their eyes. Who the hell knows, but I'll go with that before dark fantasy plots about deliberate infection.
 
Fair enough. Any idea of the vector they used? Did they just send some guy over or did someone infect themselves on purpose? Or is it like a smallpox blankets scenario?
From what I understand of the rumor, it was a cooperative thing between governments and it was just agreed that Italy would be the chosen guinea pig.

Ah yes, here it is.
See the part in the middle that has the bold underline? Apparently the WHO somehow knew this would happen back in January and were planning for it.
 
shit like this makes me wish i was an american. i can't buy any guns not even a fucking crossbow without jumping through hoops, the only weapon i could buy just to make sure i had something to protect myself with if shit goes bad is a fucking bow and arrows.
Think out of the box, improvise. Make some grenades.
 
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