Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

[Piga Dgrifm]

I mean, you laugh but between Sadie and Lars splitting and Connie all but confirmed to be separating from him, it would not surprise me the least bit if Steven hooked up with a guy in a last minute montage, like in Regular Show. After last minute lesbians, the logical next is obviously last minute gays.

But they can't fap to Yaoiz like they can to Yuriz. Also gay men are misogynistic since they don't like wamen.

 

[GhostButt]

I've still never understood the insane amount of praise Adventure Time receives. I tried to watch the show but holy hell I just could not force myself to give a shit about any of it.

When AT came out everything was either a flashtoon or anime inspired and adventure time blasted out of nowhere with a fun little style of its own and was about literally just "fun". A lost child's forever sleep over with twee indy pop vibes JUST as the man baby peterpan crown was becoming mainstream.

Sucks the show couldn't deliver on its promises and started over explaining its lore and over played its hand. Also stopped being fun and started being dumb (finn got ptsd and stopped adventuring, instead using his words to solve conflicts, never hitting puberty)

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

Tell more jokes, you purple fucker.

Then the chicken said “minkle-tit”!

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

I hope Steven's new love interest (if there even is one) ends up being white so I can mine some of that delicious salt from SU Critical.

 

[Private Pyle]

When AT came out everything was either a flashtoon or anime inspired and adventure time blasted out of nowhere with a fun little style of its own and was about literally just "fun". A lost child's forever sleep over with twee indy pop vibes JUST as the man baby peterpan crown was becoming mainstream.

Sucks the show couldn't deliver on its promises and started over explaining its lore and over played its hand. Also stopped being fun and started being dumb (finn got ptsd and stopped adventuring, instead using his words to solve conflicts, never hitting puberty)

It’s probably beating a dead horse in terms of AT discussion but a couple of things that really killed AT was the shipping and fan pandering. The first thing that springs to mind is of course Bubbline but there was also all those wasted episodes regarding Finn’s love life. Because that’s totally what kids want to see.
In addition, similar to what happened to SU later, it would engage in a lot of pseudo deep crap that tried to appease the college crowd but just came off as uncomfortable and pointless (ie Breezy).

 

[Shokew]

It’s probably beating a dead horse in terms of AT discussion but a couple of things that really killed AT was the shipping and fan pandering. The first thing that springs to mind is of course Bubbline but there was also all those wasted episodes regarding Finn’s love life. Because that’s totally what kids want to see.
In addition, similar to what happened to SU later, it would engage in a lot of pseudo deep crap that tried to appease the college crowd but just came off as uncomfortable and pointless (ie Breezy).

And as much as I liked AT, it's so NOT an easy show to revisit as a result. Not even the earlier seasons. Guess it's just right to move on to something better and with less of... All of that, which I more than already have, as it is.

 

[TungstenCarbide]

What amazes me is that Sugar thinks that THIS is what little kids want to see--all the couples breaking up, our main character's lovable father fucked in every which way, our main character (The one they're supposed to be relating to btw) completely losing his mind and making the worst choices, etc.

Stupid stunted woman-child fanbase aside, this is a show for kids. And yet the way this series is wrapping up has pretty much nothing kids would find hopeful or charming. It's a black hole of lazy writing and forced themes that will go completely over their heads because kids want to watch a coming-of-age hero's journey and not a stupid mental illness story written by hack tumblr writers that have no idea what tone or pacing is. Yeah, I get that the show is supposed to be challenging them with adult concepts but I've spent countless posts discussing how ATLA pulled it off much better so see that for reference. Kids wouldn't find this stuff appealing. Little boys would be put off by the fact that Steven is too much of a wimp to take proper action and little girls would be pissed to shit that all the romances between some of the series' prime couples are falling to pieces in the most unnecessary, heartless ways imaginable.

It's a kind of hubris a lot of creators succumb to. I've already seen series that had been created as 'feel good' material for certain target audiences (kids, teens, gays...) mutate and becoming 'edgy' because the writers thought that, since the viewers liked the first 1-2 seasons. they would adore every shitty idea they crapped out their asses. Couples who stop communicating all of a sudden, who betray and hurt eachother, villains who are redeemed with a pat on their back... Sugar makes no exception, plus she already sucks at writing, so...

 

[Private Pyle]

I've already seen series that had been created as 'feel good' material for certain target audiences (kids, teens, gays...) mutate and becoming 'edgy' because the writers thought that, since the viewers liked the first 1-2 seasons.

This is a good summary of how weird the direction has been. I’m not saying cartoons shouldn’t have more mature themes and even vanilla SU could be dark but Future is a different story.
The entire thing feels like a moody teen trying to prove he’s a not a kid anymore; it started as a happy go lucky cartoon where even the darkest times could be overcome with optimism and compassion. Come the new series, Steven is now spiraling out of control because things are changing too fast, characters are abruptly leaving just to twist the knife further, and the adult characters are clueless on how to help him. It tries to be this show that bravely tackles mental health issues but does so in such an over the top and forced way, it comes off as fake deep.
People try to defend this because Steven is a teenager now and he’s been bottling this up for years, causing it to spill over...the problem is that they had to get rid of all the lessons he learned and all the character development he had so now he’s less emotionally mature than when he started out. It doesn’t help his support network is of no help, despite the show preaching open communications multiple times.

 

[Jormungand]

This is a good summary of how weird the direction has been. I’m not saying cartoons shouldn’t have more mature themes and even vanilla SU could be dark but Future is a different story.
The entire thing feels like a moody teen trying to prove he’s a not a kid anymore; it started as a happy go lucky cartoon where even the darkest times could be overcome with optimism and compassion. Come the new series, Steven is now spiraling out of control because things are changing too fast, characters are abruptly leaving just to twist the knife further, and the adult characters are clueless on how to help him. It tries to be this show that bravely tackles mental health issues but does so in such an over the top and forced way, it comes off as fake deep.
People try to defend this because Steven is a teenager now and he’s been bottling this up for years, causing it to spill over...the problem is that they had to get rid of all the lessons he learned and all the character development he had so now he’s less emotionally mature than when he started out. It doesn’t help his support network is of no help, despite the show preaching open communications multiple times.

That's the ultimate irony about Steven Universe, it loves to talk about how people need more open-mindedness and be honest with honest each other and talk to each other but the characters in SU are so insecure and are incapable of talking to others about their problems.
You can see this with Steven, he's clearly struggling with the idea of being like Pink Diamond but because he's not willing to discuss this problem with anyone, rather it be he's father, the gems or even the diamonds and thus he's never learned to deal with his issues.
As a result, were stuck listening to them whiney about their problems but they make no real effort to fix their problems and will just use magic that they pull out of nowhere to fix their problems.

 

[Wabbu]

Something I'll never understand the praise for in SU are the songs, there are some nice ones here and there, but most of them are hipster bullshit scores with forced lyrics

 

[Muttnik]

Something I'll never understand the praise for in SU are the songs, there are some nice ones here and there, but most of them are hipster bullshit scores with forced lyrics

Every now and then there will be something catchy and fun--lots of the early season songs were not that bad. I rather liked any song that Spinel or Greg were involved in, consistent with the fact that they are the best characters and get the best material. It kind of depends on whether or not the artists gave a shit that day.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It’s probably beating a dead horse in terms of AT discussion but a couple of things that really killed AT was the shipping and fan pandering. The first thing that springs to mind is of course Bubbline but there was also all those wasted episodes regarding Finn’s love life. Because that’s totally what kids want to see.
In addition, similar to what happened to SU later, it would engage in a lot of pseudo deep crap that tried to appease the college crowd but just came off as uncomfortable and pointless (ie Breezy).

One thing to add was just how bad the supporting cast became, Bubblegum became an absolute bitch. Marceline got shoved into the BLT fridge and become nothing else, the weird ass shit with the Lemon Kingdom, and the whole "Elemental property" thing that cropped up out of nowhere.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

Bubblegum became an absolute bitch.

A bitch? She became literal sugar hitler.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

A bitch? She became literal sugar hitler.

A little bit off-topic, but can I say I'm so glad I'm not alone in thinking Adventure Time had a massive decline in quality in later seasons? I felt I was going crazy with the number of people praising it.

It went from a fun show that, overall was actually about a kid having adventures to a group of tumblrites trying too hard to be deep. The only things that remained consistently good over the years were the Marceline and Ice King plots. In fact, I would say it often felt that the show lost interest in its main protagonists in later seasons.

Personally, I didn't like the Marceline X Bubblegum last-minute hook up, not because it was gay, but rather because I don't like Bubblegum at all. Marceline was likable throughout the whole show, but Bubblegum, for me, became plain unlikeable

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

A little bit off-topic, but can I say I'm so glad I'm not alone in thinking Adventure Time had a massive decline in quality in later seasons? I felt I was going crazy with the number of people praising it.

It went from a fun show that, overall was actually about a kid having adventures to a group of tumblrites trying too hard to be deep. The only things that remained consistently good over the years were the Marceline and Ice King plots. In fact, I would say it often felt that the show lost interest in its main protagonists in later seasons.

Personally, I didn't like the Marceline X Bubblegum last-minute hook up, not because it was gay, but rather because I don't like Bubblegum at all. Marceline was likable throughout the whole show, but Bubblegum, for me, became plain unlikeable

Let's not forgot the romantic subplots with Finn. Boy were those a pain to watch.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

Let's not forgot the romantic subplots with Finn. Boy were those a pain to watch.

I actually thought Huntress Wizard would have actually been a cool character to pair him up with. Definitely better chemistry than with PB or FP, but then they were only in a vague relationship for like two episodes and it never got mentioned again. Just more wasted potential with the screen time instead filled up with that gum war shit nobody cared about.

 

[Private Pyle]

Everything said here is pretty on point in regards to Adventure Time. The romance subplots were meandering and went nowhere, while Finn himself became the supporting character in his own show. Plot wise, they kept adding shit in an attempt to seem deeper than it really was when really, it was just trying to play catch up with more popular shows after AT’s own popularity was dwindling. Yet somehow, CN saw it fit to bring it back for another round on HBO Max; I honestly can’t see where else they could go with it.

To rerail this back to SU, Rebecca (either the bane or boon of AT depending on who you ask), really didn’t learn the right lessons when making her own show. Just like the previous show, SU had a neat little premise but threw it to the wayside in favor of a soap opera, to the point that the final battle with the main villain turned into a metaphor for abusive families, while Future has just been a PSA for mental health. Not to mention, like AT, SU would introduce loads of characters that either added nothing to the plot or started out prominent but then got shoved to the background. There are a few differences I give credit for:
-Barring Sadie and Shep, the series has a much better track record of LGBT representation, at the very least with Pearl. Compare this to Bubbline, which was teased for the entire show and only got hooked up at the very last minute yet was still hailed as “brave”.
-Love it or hate it, Sugar and her crew did at least put some planning ahead with their show. AT made it up as it went along and it showed, big time.
-Rebecca made sure that the focus stayed on the main character, rather than let him slip further into the background like Finn. Unfortunately, she went too far into the other extreme.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

Here's to the next season of Infinity Train.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I caught up to the Future episodes and let me say..the only two episodes worth a shit were the 2 where Stephen was interacting with the Crystal Gems and not random nobody Gems.

 

[NSJAP]

Bruh, i really hope she will be delusional enough to make herself a meat sausage