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Considering the state of Steven universe and later Adventure time makes me appreciate how Gravity falls ended before it had a chance to crash and burn, IMO.
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This is actually the legit reason why Alex Hirsch wrapped up the show so soon; in addition to being burnt out, he wasn’t sure he would be able to keep up the quality and nearly ended it after a single season, but was convinced to make a second season.
I used to criticize Alex Hirsch for cutting it short when it had so much potential but looking back, I can totally see where he was coming from.
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The show ended exactly where it needed to. It wrapped things up in a satisfying conclusion that had been built up since the beginning.
Very few shows can do that.
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Spoken for truth, BOTH of you. When making anything, regardless of what medium it hails from - something only some of truly best cartoons/anime of our past and current times, for example, understand - it's this: it's better to have an established beginning-middle-and-end than go on and on with nothing to truly say, only to become a zombie. SU hasn't exactly done that, but like The Simpsons, you'd have a hard time not thinking that, either.
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God, it's like watching a kid be annoyed at going through puberty.
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As we enter March Madness and as the clock begins ticking on the show come Friday, I sit back and reflect on the state of the fandom once everything is over.
On the positive side, I can see the better parts of the fandom (the ones into lore and world building as well as general storytelling) joining the IT fandom. Notice how most of them left after the Rose reveal?
On the down side, given the shipping and hint of LGBT content, I can see the cancerous part of the fanbase shitting up the Owl House fandom. She-Ra is too vegetive for them and they burned bridges with the Hazbin Hotel fans.
On the positive side, I can see the better parts of the fandom (the ones into lore and world building as well as general storytelling) joining the IT fandom. Notice how most of them left after the Rose reveal?
On the down side, given the shipping and hint of LGBT content, I can see the cancerous part of the fanbase shitting up the Owl House fandom. She-Ra is too vegetive for them and they burned bridges with the Hazbin Hotel fans.
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I thought you meant the fandom for Stephen King's IT and not Infinity Train for a sec there.
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Shame to hear that, but I'm well aware that is happening right now... Especially since I actually fucking like The Owl House so far. Amphibia is better IMHO, however.
BOTH are still more fucking watchable than Gay Space Rocks has ever been to begin with for me, either way.
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You know, looking back, one of the things I think the show never could make its mind was on whether the gems were magical or not.
Early on in the show, the gems were clearly designed to be a magical species. Besides, clearly referring to what they did as "magic" and how there was clearly a temple dedicated to a moon goddess.
Also, this is very easy to forget, but early on they had an overpowered magical device that could time travel, after they had an Indiana Jones-like adventure, that could've easily been used to change the past.
Then at the end of the show, the gems are treated more like sentient supercomputers with sci-fi technology that merely use hard light projections and live in a very secular society.
So which one is it?
Early on in the show, the gems were clearly designed to be a magical species. Besides, clearly referring to what they did as "magic" and how there was clearly a temple dedicated to a moon goddess.
Also, this is very easy to forget, but early on they had an overpowered magical device that could time travel, after they had an Indiana Jones-like adventure, that could've easily been used to change the past.
Then at the end of the show, the gems are treated more like sentient supercomputers with sci-fi technology that merely use hard light projections and live in a very secular society.
So which one is it?
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Happy 100 pages, Kiwis! I hope the remaining episodes bear salty spergy fruit from all sides. 
I agreed with everything until I got to what I bolded. Like her former boss Pendleton Ward, she laid the bare-minimum for her story and her tumblr army filled in the holes until the next plot point was reached. Both shows are storyboard-driven and both had tone problems. And both were admittedly stylish.
With cringy diary entries to match. At this rate, Amber/Danny may be threadworthy just by how obsessed she/he is with trans shit. (suffering doesn't always equal art, just squiggles of a madman.)
haha you expect straight answers from SU lore.
It's both. Gems are basically power sources. They can provide life to a physical being or power tools and technology. (Lapis and the mirror.) Whatever it is the Diamonds put into ejectors is what brings them to life. I think Becky Sugar fell into the "Magic is Science, Science is Magic" trap in an attempt to be original. (Ironically AT had a couple episodes about that with PB as the soapbox mouthpiece.)
I agreed with everything until I got to what I bolded. Like her former boss Pendleton Ward, she laid the bare-minimum for her story and her tumblr army filled in the holes until the next plot point was reached. Both shows are storyboard-driven and both had tone problems. And both were admittedly stylish.
With cringy diary entries to match. At this rate, Amber/Danny may be threadworthy just by how obsessed she/he is with trans shit. (suffering doesn't always equal art, just squiggles of a madman.)
haha you expect straight answers from SU lore.
It's both. Gems are basically power sources. They can provide life to a physical being or power tools and technology. (Lapis and the mirror.) Whatever it is the Diamonds put into ejectors is what brings them to life. I think Becky Sugar fell into the "Magic is Science, Science is Magic" trap in an attempt to be original. (Ironically AT had a couple episodes about that with PB as the soapbox mouthpiece.)
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On a more complimentary note, that shit is still my favorite episode, and the reveal still my favorite moment in the show. Where we've got this thing farting and doing shitty jokes the whole episode but it's also scared shitless of the gems and you're left wondering how benevolent they really are. Then he pulls it out and you get this mysterious new character. That shit got me hungry for more answers back in the day. 'Course it didn't really lead anywhere satisfying, but still.
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SU, like adventure time to a lesser extent, was great at hinting at a larger story. Heck one of the thing I can say they did really great is giving hints through backgrounds.
It's just that the payoffs didn't live up to that for the most part, I think. Mostly because there wasn't much to tell really. And what everyone had in their heads was more complex than what we ended up getting.
It reminds me of a lot" Star Vs" final season. It had a rushed ending that didn't explain a lot of things, and a lackluster final villain. Fans were quick to blame Disney for "cutting it short". Problem is, in that show they knew it was their final season, and they still had filler episodes. It's not that they were cut short, rather it was the fact that that was sincerely as far as they planned to go.
And now Steven Universe got a whole extra season and a movie after it's supposed ending. And nothing interesting happens. It's not because "they needed more time", rather it's because Pink Diamond's reveal and turning White diamond good really was their endgame.
A lot of people have mentioned they think the lore has a lot of potential, and it does, but I do think this is as far as Sugar planned to go: reveal Pink is Rose: have the diamonds turn good with the power of feelings.
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Wow, a cartoonist more annoying than Mike Dawson, that deserves an award.
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I will say that for all its flaws, Adventure time has some really good background art. Also, idk if you consider it late Adventure Time, but the Lemonhope arc was pretty good.
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Upon further looking back, you do have a point. As much as the fanbase loves to stroke off the show for the Pink Diamond twist and Garnet being a fusion, even the creators admit they made some shit up as they went along; the exact meaning behind Pearl and Garnet’s convo in Ocean Gem, Amethyst being defective and feral, the Cluster’s exact nature, Bismuth’s entire existence, the alien abduction. I do agree with the sentiment that it was great at giving hints through background but that’s all I can give it now.
It probably also helps that Future so far actually contradicts themes and developments from the show and movie, making it feel like a post script season and less like it’s trying to organically tie up loose ends. I figure CN is doing what Disney wanted to do with GF.
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After pondering for a bit, I think I discovered why the morality of this show is so questionable.
You see, the key is that Steven Universe doesn't judge people by their actions, but by their intentions. It's the opposite of a Greek tragedy. In Steven Universe, you can be a genocidal dictator, and even attempt to destroy all human life on Earth, but as long as you do it to express your sadness, or you thought you were doing good or were just misguided, the show treats you like a victim that just needs a hug.
It's ok White diamond tried to kill Steven because she was just a concerned mother thinking pink was making a millennia-old tantrum.
It's ok Yellow diamond tried to destroy the planet; she was just trying to cope with losing pink.
It's ok the diamonds corrupted the crystal gems because they weren't aware they caused psychological torture.
It's ok Spinel tried to make Steven suffer; She was just coping with abandonment over Pink.
It's ok Lapis almost killed all life on earth by stealing its water; She just wanted to go home.
...and so on.
But, if you do something good, but with bad intentions, then the show judges you as an evil monster. Look no further than Marty. Even if he was a jerk, as far as Greg is concerned, he was actually a good manager.He advised him to further his career over, what he thought, was a one time crush. And thanks to him Greg did become a millionaire, even after they had already parted ways. Technically he did his job perfectly. So, why does the show treat him as an evil monster to the point Greg says he is "dead to him". Easy. His intentions were selfish even if his actions, mostly, were good.
TL;DR: SU judges people as good or evil based on their intent, with their deeds, no matter how destructive or helpful, being largely irrelevant.
You see, the key is that Steven Universe doesn't judge people by their actions, but by their intentions. It's the opposite of a Greek tragedy. In Steven Universe, you can be a genocidal dictator, and even attempt to destroy all human life on Earth, but as long as you do it to express your sadness, or you thought you were doing good or were just misguided, the show treats you like a victim that just needs a hug.
It's ok White diamond tried to kill Steven because she was just a concerned mother thinking pink was making a millennia-old tantrum.
It's ok Yellow diamond tried to destroy the planet; she was just trying to cope with losing pink.
It's ok the diamonds corrupted the crystal gems because they weren't aware they caused psychological torture.
It's ok Spinel tried to make Steven suffer; She was just coping with abandonment over Pink.
It's ok Lapis almost killed all life on earth by stealing its water; She just wanted to go home.
...and so on.
But, if you do something good, but with bad intentions, then the show judges you as an evil monster. Look no further than Marty. Even if he was a jerk, as far as Greg is concerned, he was actually a good manager.He advised him to further his career over, what he thought, was a one time crush. And thanks to him Greg did become a millionaire, even after they had already parted ways. Technically he did his job perfectly. So, why does the show treat him as an evil monster to the point Greg says he is "dead to him". Easy. His intentions were selfish even if his actions, mostly, were good.
TL;DR: SU judges people as good or evil based on their intent, with their deeds, no matter how destructive or helpful, being largely irrelevant.
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Might as well post some news to pass the time a bit. Course it’s not exactly news if you heard it but I digress.
-Johnny Hawkes is voicing is voicing a new character in the upcoming episodes, apparently someone smart. People are speculating it to be a doctor while I’m just wondering what the hell they’re doing still introducing characters this late.
-A press kit was released featuring a sappy speech from Sugar and photo from the end credits saying “We’ll always be family”, more or less confirming that Steven is leaving for good. This has actually rattled some parts of the fanbase, pointing out that making a season dedicated to mental health and having him dip is contradictory. Naturally, most of the fanbase still sees this as amazing writing.
-Not strictly SU related, but Charlyne Yi, the voice of Ruby, has recently made accusations against Pat McHale (creator of Over the Garden Wall) and his friend Justin Rubenstein over their alleged psychological abuse. Time will if this will blow over or turn into #KickVic 2.0/#PuntPat.
-Crossposting from the SJW thread, this exists. Why does it exist: https://www.amazon.fr/Representation-Steven-Universe-English-Ziegler-ebook/dp/B083SB16J9
-Johnny Hawkes is voicing is voicing a new character in the upcoming episodes, apparently someone smart. People are speculating it to be a doctor while I’m just wondering what the hell they’re doing still introducing characters this late.
-A press kit was released featuring a sappy speech from Sugar and photo from the end credits saying “We’ll always be family”, more or less confirming that Steven is leaving for good. This has actually rattled some parts of the fanbase, pointing out that making a season dedicated to mental health and having him dip is contradictory. Naturally, most of the fanbase still sees this as amazing writing.
-Not strictly SU related, but Charlyne Yi, the voice of Ruby, has recently made accusations against Pat McHale (creator of Over the Garden Wall) and his friend Justin Rubenstein over their alleged psychological abuse. Time will if this will blow over or turn into #KickVic 2.0/#PuntPat.
-Crossposting from the SJW thread, this exists. Why does it exist: https://www.amazon.fr/Representation-Steven-Universe-English-Ziegler-ebook/dp/B083SB16J9
Akumaten
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A trans-gem-der with mental health issues. Of course
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