Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

[heyilikeyourmom]

"TO BE FAIR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY HIGH IQ TO UNDERSTAND A SHOW ABOUT A FAT LITTLE BOY AND HIS LESBIAN ROCK MOMS"

The sad thing is you don’t have to.

 

[Yamma Damma]

Actually, just while I'm on a roll shilling ATLA, the comparisons between protagonists are actually pretty hilarious.

Both Aang and Steven are high-powered pacifists in nature and are shown to be extremely compassionate and not eager to fight. Except Aang realizes that sometimes you can't deal with evil people by making a bunch of pretty speeches and there will come a time when you need to fight. You don't have to kill or maim someone but you need to match physical strength with physical strength. It's not done out of love for fighting or bullshit toxic masculinity or whatever the fuck tumblr says to keep men from acting like men. It's done out of a sense of protecting loved ones and taking on destructive forces that refuse to listen to reason.

Compare this to Steven's plight where he barely ever has to get physical, said fighting either being extremely brief or presented as destructive and harmful to himself and others, and he gets away with stopping eons of war by whining about love and throwing out sappy one-liners. And here we are in the very last crop of episodes and Steven is spiraling out of control instead of recognizing his responsibilities, braving through the emotional burden without making it about him, taking charge of the security of the world, or ultimately having the maturity to not collapse under pressure. In Season 3 of ATLA, Aang was nervous af about his ability to beat the Fire Lord and there were even times when he doubted himself. But he didn't outright self-destruct under the stress like Steven currently is. And he recognized that he could still be compassionate while still physically fighting for what's right.

And I get that SU is a different kind of show with a different kind of message but sometimes, fighting and mercy go hand in hand in order to protect what you love. Sometimes, it's okay to fight, especially when you know that you don't have to be brutal or malicious about it. It's about being an adult and standing up for others and what you believe in. It's okay to show mercy as well--as long as you know that sometimes there will come times when you can't talk your way out of a major threat. Aang demonstrated that far better than Steven ever will and that's ultimately why this show is a complete shitshow in terms of its themes and character development.

Every award for this. Keep on rolling, let's compare love interests.
Katara and Connie are both girls who had no friends and got tangled in the destinys of magic boys. Both of them started from the bottom and got to become good fighters through their journeys. The difference? When Katara and Aang had an issue, they talked to each other and moved on. Connie and Steven kept struggling on their own before finally talking to each other. Even THEN they still went back on their bullshit of feeling like they need to fight things without each other only to realize they can't do that and do stuff together. They did this FOUR TIMES! And then Connie just gets written off of SUFuture. No wonder Steven is losing his shit right now, Katara cooled Aang down when he went Avatar Mode but Steven may just be SCREWED. We'll see.

The sad thing is you don’t have to.

How does someone who has Randy Feltface as an icon have a sense of humor this crap?

 

[Mr. 0]

No wonder Steven is losing his shit right now, Katara cooled Aang down when he went Avatar Mode but Steven may just be SCREWED.

lol steven was never and never will be screwed because doing that with a girl is rape to the nth degree that's why she was written out
doing that with a femme trans guy on the other hand is kosher, hence not-lars x sadie

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

How does someone who has Randy Feltface

Awesome, someone recognized it!

 

[Muttnik]

Every award for this. Keep on rolling, let's compare love interests.
Katara and Connie are both girls who had no friends and got tangled in the destinys of magic boys. Both of them started from the bottom and got to become good fighters through their journeys. The difference? When Katara and Aang had an issue, they talked to each other and moved on. Connie and Steven kept struggling on their own before finally talking to each other. Even THEN they still went back on their bullshit of feeling like they need to fight things without each other only to realize they can't do that and do stuff together. They did this FOUR TIMES! And then Connie just gets written off of SUFuture. No wonder Steven is losing his shit right now, Katara cooled Aang down when he went Avatar Mode but Steven may just be SCREWED. We'll see.

I'll expand on what I said with villains.

Fire Lord Ozai might not be the most complex villain out there but he IS a credible threat and remains so throughout the series. Aang realizes that he can't simply talk his way out of dealing with him and will have to physically fight him. But even then, even when Ozai is shown to be an irredeemable bastard, a monster, and an overall terrible father, Aang values the sanctity of life and spares him. Now this could draw comparison to Steven forgiving villains that did horrible genocidal things, but where the line blurs is the fact that Ozai gets his just rewards by being locked the fuck up. He's not given a pat on the back and told that it's FINE as long as he says sowwy. He's a threat, a villain to the core, and ultimately an obstacle for Aang to prove his growth as a character while still retaining his sense of mercy. Him being the Big Bad serves a narrative purpose in regards to how it impacts both Aang and Zuko's development. Compare this to literally every last villain of the week Steven come across, befriends, and immediately lets off the hook.

Let's talk about Azula because GOD do I love Azula. A villain and a threat just like Ozai but unlike him, she has some solid complexity and psychology behind her ruthless behavior--that of a girl molded into a weapon by her father and longing for the attention she never received from her mother. You could write solid research papers about why Azula is the way she is and how it correlates to real life unstable behaviors caused by broken, abusive families. The show doesn't let Azula off the hook for the horrible things she's done but it also leaves room for a great amount of sympathy towards her--her defeat at the hands of Zuko and Katara is not framed as a triumphant moment but that of a tragic one, watching her unravel for the first time and show herself for what she truly is, a 14 year old girl driven insane by ambition, solitude, and shitty parenting. It's fascinating.

Out of all of SU's villains, Spinel comes the closest to being the most layered. That said, she's still redeemed at the end of the film with a simple pep-talk. Granted, she acknowledges that she still will have to work on her bad behavior and Steven had to be a bit more firm with her but she still is essentially redeemed without going through the weighty motions to make it feasible. I really like Spinel, but she's still rushed. She hurts a bunch of people and is then rewarded with a loving family at the end. It was a sweet moment but it's still pretty unearned.

The Diamonds are even worse. Decades of war and genocide and it's all good because UWU THEY LOST PINK THEY WERE GRIEVING UWU. Or because White Diamond got flustered and it immediately ruins her creepy threatening vibes. Now here they are playing Steven's hapless estranged aunts and everything in Gem world is A-OK. All because Steven made a speech about warm fuzzies and hugged himself or some nonsense.

I'm not saying villains need to ALWAYS stay threatening or irredeemable. I would LOVE to watch a character like Azula go through a redemption arc just to see how they could take something so pitifully broken and turn it towards the light. But there has to be a journey and it has to feel EARNED. There has to be an atonement of sins. The Diamonds or Jasper, or whoever the fuck is never goes through any of that. They're given a lecture and then put out into the world as if none of the bloodshed meant anything.

 

[Private Pyle]

And then Connie just gets written off of SUFuture.

The worst part is that she was written out explicitly to give Steven more angst. If she was there from the start and talked things through with Steven, Future wouldn’t need to exist. How much do you want to bet they’re going to rehash the lesson a fifth time?

I'll expand on what I said with villains.

Fire Lord Ozai might not be the most complex villain out there but he IS a credible threat and remains so throughout the series. Aang realizes that he can't simply talk his way out of dealing with him and will have to physically fight him. But even then, even when Ozai is shown to be an irredeemable bastard, a monster, and an overall terrible father, Aang values the sanctity of life and spares him. Now this could draw comparison to Steven forgiving villains that did horrible genocidal things, but where the line blurs is the fact that Ozai gets his just rewards by being locked the fuck up. He's not given a pat on the back and told that it's FINE as long as he says sowwy. He's a threat, a villain to the core, and ultimately an obstacle for Aang to prove his growth as a character while still retaining his sense of mercy. Him being the Big Bad serves a narrative purpose in regards to how it impacts both Aang and Zuko's development. Compare this to literally every last villain of the week Steven come across, befriends, and immediately lets off the hook.

Let's talk about Azula because GOD do I love Azula. A villain and a threat just like Ozai but unlike him, she has some solid complexity and psychology behind her ruthless behavior--that of a girl molded into a weapon by her father and longing for the attention she never received from her mother. You could write solid research papers about why Azula is the way she is and how it correlates to real life unstable behaviors caused by broken, abusive families. The show doesn't let Azula off the hook for the horrible things she's done but it also leaves room for a great amount of sympathy towards her--her defeat at the hands of Zuko and Katara is not framed as a triumphant moment but that of a tragic one, watching her unravel for the first time and show herself for what she truly is, a 14 year old girl driven insane by ambition, solitude, and shitty parenting. It's fascinating.

Out of all of SU's villains, Spinel comes the closest to being the most layered. That said, she's still redeemed at the end of the film with a simple pep-talk. Granted, she acknowledges that she still will have to work on her bad behavior and Steven had to be a bit more firm with her but she still is essentially redeemed without going through the weighty motions to make it feasible. I really like Spinel, but she's still rushed. She hurts a bunch of people and is then rewarded with a loving family at the end. It was a sweet moment but it's still pretty unearned.

The Diamonds are even worse. Decades of war and genocide and it's all good because UWU THEY LOST PINK THEY WERE GRIEVING UWU. Or because White Diamond got flustered and it immediately ruins her creepy threatening vibes. Now here they are playing Steven's hapless estranged aunts and everything in Gem world is A-OK. All because Steven made a speech about warm fuzzies and hugged himself or some nonsense.

I'm not saying villains need to ALWAYS stay threatening or irredeemable. I would LOVE to watch a character like Azula go through a redemption arc just to see how they could take something so pitifully broken and turn it towards the light. But there has to be a journey and it has to feel EARNED. There has to be an atonement of sins. The Diamonds or Jasper, or whoever the fuck is never goes through any of that. They're given a lecture and then put out into the world as if none of the bloodshed meant anything.

The funny thing is Future would introduce two villains who wouldn’t be redeemed...with Aquamarine and Eyeball. Two villains who are barely a threat and are treated like a joke for most of the episode. Greg even blatantly says they’re beyond redemption. So the genocidal tyrants are redeemed and are working alongside the hero but the Team Rocket duo are somehow completely irredeemable. I swear, the show sometimes has this weird morality where being mean or a jerk is tantamount to being Satan.

 

[Muttnik]

The funny thing is Future would introduce two villains who wouldn’t be redeemed...with Aquamarine and Eyeball. Two villains who are barely a threat and are treated like a joke for most of the episode. Greg even blatantly says they’re beyond redemption. So the genocidal tyrants are redeemed and are working alongside the hero but the Team Rocket duo are somehow completely irredeemable. I swear, the show sometimes has this weird morality where being mean or a jerk is tantamount to being Satan.

So we have a couple of harmless goon villains forever regulated to the BADASTRUMP villain dumpster and the genocidal maniacs turned good in a manner of single episodes.

Sometimes, I really hate this fucking show. Like REALLY despise it. I have a young tween cousin that loves the hell out of this show and spergs about it to me every family gathering and I don't have the heart to tell her that I think that it's a complete garbage-fire.

It has a lot of potential. I like the music from time to time and I do believe there are episodes that get a genuine emotional reaction out of me. I want so badly to see greatness in it but then when I dissect it, it all falls apart. It's a MESS and I have a hunch people will completely forget about it years down the line and it will become a mere footnote in animation history.
There's a reason why shows like Avatar or Justice League or Batman the Animated Series have stuck around in public consciousness. They put writing first above everything else and made sure characters were compelling and grounded.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I'm not saying villains need to ALWAYS stay threatening or irredeemable. I would LOVE to watch a character like Azula go through a redemption arc just to see how they could take something so pitifully broken and turn it towards the light. But there has to be a journey and it has to feel EARNED. There has to be an atonement of sins. The Diamonds or Jasper, or whoever the fuck is never goes through any of that. They're given a lecture and then put out into the world as if none of the bloodshed meant anything.

The funny thing is Future would introduce two villains who wouldn’t be redeemed...with Aquamarine and Eyeball. Two villains who are barely a threat and are treated like a joke for most of the episode. Greg even blatantly says they’re beyond redemption. So the genocidal tyrants are redeemed and are working alongside the hero but the Team Rocket duo are somehow completely irredeemable. I swear, the show sometimes has this weird morality where being mean or a jerk is tantamount to being Satan.

Great posts!

I just would like to add something. It's not just that SU forgives it's villains easily, but who is deserving of that easy forgiveness.

There are actually two characters that Steven Universe does treat like irredeemable jerks that receive nothing but contempt from Steven and even the lovable Greg. And I'm not talking about Aquamarine and Ruby as they are treated as a joke, more like silly and stubborn children, instead of the millennia-old gems they actually are (funny you mentoned them in the middle of me writting this).

I am talking about Marty and Kevin.

Martin is a character that Steven doesn't ever try to redeem, and who Greg even says was so bad he is dead to him. Kevin was someone both Connie and Steven outright said they hated. Were they jerks? Sure. But they never went as far as the diamonds did or any gem villain for that matter. Heck, even the lovable Peridot tried to outright murder Steven the first time she saw him.

Marty is just a greedy asshole, and Kevin was a clingy asshole that one time and he is actually pretty tame compared to many teenagers his age all things considered.

To be fair, Kevin was at his mos sympathetic his last appearance, but still, the point stands. Why are these 2 considered irredeemable jerks, while literal murderers, and genocidal dictators, get a free pass? Easy they aren't cool gems with magical powers.

Sugar and crew were obviously doing the shonen thing like Dragon Ball, that is, all the villains eventually become regular characters that befriend the hero. Dragon Ball is famous for this, pretty much most of the main characters were villains at some point.

Except Steven Universe doesn't make it believable.

Zuko became a hero, but there was a journey and even a betrayal, and a change of heart for it to happen. Steven Universe just redeems it's villains easily because it loves the cool factor of having villains turn allies, without doing any of the leg work for it to happen.

And if you aren't a gem? ...well just ask Marty and Kevin. You might as well be Hitler, because nobody is going to care about your feelings or something.

 

[Muttnik]

Great posts!

I just would like to add something. It's not just that SU forgives it's villains easily, but who is deserving of that easy forgiveness.

There are actually two characters that Steven Universe does treat like irredeemable jerks that receive nothing but contempt from Steven and even the lovable Greg. And I'm not talking about Aquamarine and Ruby as they are treated as a joke, more like silly and stubborn children, instead of the millennia-old gems they actually are (funny you mentoned them in the middle of me writting this).

I am talking about Marty and Kevin.

Martin is a character that Steven doesn't ever try to redeem, and who Greg even says was so bad he is dead to him. Kevin was someone both Connie and Steven outright said they hated. Were they jerks? Sure. But they never went as far as the diamonds did or any gem villain for that matter. Heck, even the lovable Peridot tried to outright murder Steven the first time she saw him.

Marty is just a greedy asshole, and Kevin was a clingy asshole that one time and he is actually pretty tame compared to many teenagers his age all things considered.

To be fair, Kevin was at his mos sympathetic his last appearance, but still, the point stands. Why are these 2 considered irredeemable jerks, while literal murderers, and genocidal dictators, get a free pass? Easy they aren't cool gems with magical powers.

Sugar and crew were obviously doing the shonen thing like Dragon Ball that all the villains eventually become regular characters that befriend the hero. Dragon Ball is famous for this, pretty much most of the main characters were villains at some point.

Except Steven Universe doesn't make it believable.

Zuko became a hero, but there was a journey and even a betrayal, and a change of heart for it to happen. Steven Universe just redeems it's villains easily because it loves the cool factor of having villains turn allies, without doing any of the leg work for it to happen.

And if you aren't a gem? ...well just ask Marty and Kevin. You might as well be Hitler, because nobody is going to care about your feelings or something.

^^^^ This.

I think the show has SOMETHING to offer in that it has a message that (almost)everyone is worthy of compassion and redemption. But the fact that some characters unfairly get the shaft and said redemption is never earned for the show's biggest monsters is the biggest fucking nail in this coffin. It makes the whole show look like a shallow, lazily-made clusterfuck.

Which it is.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Steven universe is a garbage show written by a pedophile, The objective of this lazy dumpster fire is to spread intersectional LGBTPP propaganda to children. (Sugar has made this clear her self)
If you like the show your on par with the short bus crew.

 

[Private Pyle]

Great posts!

I just would like to add something. It's not just that SU forgives it's villains easily, but who is deserving of that easy forgiveness.

There are actually two characters that Steven Universe does treat like irredeemable jerks that receive nothing but contempt from Steven and even the lovable Greg. And I'm not talking about Aquamarine and Ruby as they are treated as a joke, more like silly and stubborn children, instead of the millennia-old gems they actually are (funny you mentoned them in the middle of me writting this).

I am talking about Marty and Kevin.

Martin is a character that Steven doesn't ever try to redeem, and who Greg even says was so bad he is dead to him. Kevin was someone both Connie and Steven outright said they hated. Were they jerks? Sure. But they never went as far as the diamonds did or any gem villain for that matter. Heck, even the lovable Peridot tried to outright murder Steven the first time she saw him.

Marty is just a greedy asshole, and Kevin was a clingy asshole that one time and he is actually pretty tame compared to many teenagers his age all things considered.

To be fair, Kevin was at his mos sympathetic his last appearance, but still, the point stands. Why are these 2 considered irredeemable jerks, while literal murderers, and genocidal dictators, get a free pass? Easy they aren't cool gems with magical powers.

Sugar and crew were obviously doing the shonen thing like Dragon Ball, that is, all the villains eventually become regular characters that befriend the hero. Dragon Ball is famous for this, pretty much most of the main characters were villains at some point.

Except Steven Universe doesn't make it believable.

Zuko became a hero, but there was a journey and even a betrayal, and a change of heart for it to happen. Steven Universe just redeems it's villains easily because it loves the cool factor of having villains turn allies, without doing any of the leg work for it to happen.

And if you aren't a gem? ...well just ask Marty and Kevin. You might as well be Hitler, because nobody is going to care about your feelings or something.

Hell, Lapis straight up tried to kill both Steven and Connie but Steven never held a grudge. Kevin made them uncomfortable and Steven hates the fuck out of him. Everything said here is 10x worse with the fanbase.

Another factor is that Marty and Kevin don’t have convenient sad backstories or excuses the Gems have. Lapis tried to steal an ocean and was an unpleasant person to others but it’s okay because of her backstory. Jasper was hunting the CGs for several episodes and championed the Diamond’s belief but Steven does a 180 when she starts talking about her Diamond. The Diamonds themselves need no introduction. I guarantee you that if Kevin and Marty or Aquamarine and Eyeball whipped out a sob story, Steven would instantly forgive them and try to be friends.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I fond there are two kinds of people, the ones who love Steven Universe and the ones that don’t get it.

No, not really. The show is simple the core premise is that understanding and friendship are more powerful than straight up strength.

However Sugar is a complete fuck up and manages to mangle that message completely through awful writing and one of the worst plot twists in western animation. Stephen Universe was a passable show, and generally okay up until the Pink Diamond = Rose reveal. Anyone who tries to defend it as "Good" after that horseshit has no taste.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

No, not really. The show is simple the core premise is that understanding and friendship are more powerful than straight up strength.

However Sugar is a complete fuck up and manages to mangle that message completely through awful writing and one of the worst plot twists in western animation. Stephen Universe was a passable show, and generally okay up until the Pink Diamond = Rose reveal. Anyone who tries to defend it as "Good" after that horseshit has no taste.

Like I said.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

I'm gonna be honest, this show started out with a pretty good premise and a lot of potential. But even from the start it was tainted with some good old fashioned SJW bullshit thanks to it's creator.
But SJW bullshit aside, Rebecca Sugar has been absolutely terrible at managing this whole thing. For one thing it really looks like the entire story of SU could have been told in a single season if we hack out all the needless slice-of-life episodes. They wrote too little of the actual story and instead we get treated to a bunch of bullshit we really don't need (or in many cases want) to see just to pad out the series.
Not to mention her continual inability to not fuck around with what her writers have done. When Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond first appeared they were absolutely ruthless. Blue Diamond sentenced Garnet to death for being a fusion. Yellow Diamond ordered the complete destruction of Earth. But Rebecca couldn't stand that, she wanted sympathetic villains despite the fact that she doesn't know how to write them for fucking shit. I mean, if these Diamonds WEREN'T already evil pieces of shit, why the fuck would they be colonizing planets that already had sapient species living on them? Humans have been around on this planet for a long time, civilization has existed for 50,000 years. And the gems just show up and decide "Fuck these people, we're taking their planet!" Exactly how is that excusable or forgivable at all?

And then there's the redemptions. Characters that might deserve a second chance never get it. Characters who, by all right, should be ether bubbled forever or even shattered outright (The Diamonds certainly come to mind) are somehow worthy of redemption when much less evil characters somehow aren't.
This would be like saying that a blue collar thief or a drug addict is beyond redemption, but lets all give Hitler a second chance! At the very least WHY ARE THE DIAMONDS STILL IN ANY POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY?! No, I don't give a fuck if they seem to have changed, the fact is they should have been removed from their stations after everything they did. Nope, lets just leave the previously genocidal assholes in charge.

The Pink Diamond arc was the worst thing ever, largely because even literal window licking tards could see it coming from halfway across the fucking galaxy. It was the most utterly predictable shit ever. And it just made Pink Diamond into one of the worst characters.

I'm not even going to get into some of the character bullshit, like Steven never seeming to actually learn anything. Oh, he learns things, but then tards the fuck out and seems to forget everything he learned by the next episode. Or the way characters don't seem to actually need to learn lessons outside of Steven being a preachy little faggot at them.

And it seems like it's all only gotten worse since I've stopped watching.

Honestly, I wish there was some way to take control of the whole thing away from Sugar and hand it over to someone who would JUST TELL US A GOOD FUCKING STORY AND KEEP YOUR IDEOLOGICAL BULLSHIT OUT OF IT!
Maybe it'd make a good anime so long as the Japanese could just do their thing with it and not have to listen to any input from Sugar.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Like I said.

Not really. You were just praising the show and getting all autistic over other people not praising it with you.

 

[Yamma Damma]

The worst part is that she was written out explicitly to give Steven more angst. If she was there from the start and talked things through with Steven, Future wouldn’t need to exist. How much do you want to bet they’re going to rehash the lesson a fifth time?

If they do, coupled with what you said about Greg suffering even further, I'm demanding this show give me my lost time back. What a shame.

Not to mention her continual inability to not fuck around with what her writers have done. When Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond first appeared they were absolutely ruthless. Blue Diamond sentenced Garnet to death for being a fusion. Yellow Diamond ordered the complete destruction of Earth. But Rebecca couldn't stand that, she wanted sympathetic villains despite the fact that she doesn't know how to write them for fucking shit. I mean, if these Diamonds WEREN'T already evil pieces of shit, why the fuck would they be colonizing planets that already had sapient species living on them? Humans have been around on this planet for a long time, civilization has existed for 50,000 years. And the gems just show up and decide "Fuck these people, we're taking their planet!" Exactly how is that excusable or forgivable at all?

I just had a thought: Why don't any of the Humans say anything? I'm not talking about Beach City, they clearly don't give a fuck, I'm talking about the rest of Earth. Pink just shows up one day, starts drilling for Gems, realizes it's bad and wants to fight for Earth and give it to the Gems... BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HUMANS?! Earth was never hers to give! They were here first and they didn't tell these asteroid lesbos to fuck off?! None of the Diamonds were in the right when it came to Earth: Pink wanted it to be a Gem commune, Blue and White wanted it to be just another conquered planet, and Yellow wanted it to be destroyed. (The Cluster) For all the crystal gems' boistering about "Earth is precious and worth protecting", they never mention the humans. Just the rock. Figures.

The Pink Diamond arc was the worst thing ever, largely because even literal window licking tards could see it coming from halfway across the fucking galaxy. It was the most utterly predictable shit ever. And it just made Pink Diamond into one of the worst characters.

And what it did to my girl Pearl. She was never a rebel, just played a part. Like master, like slave.

I'm not even going to get into some of the character bullshit, like Steven never seeming to actually learn anything. Oh, he learns things, but then tards the fuck out and seems to forget everything he learned by the next episode. Or the way characters don't seem to actually need to learn lessons outside of Steven being a preachy little faggot at them.

What happens when you base your main character off your brother? You get a show so afraid of having ANYONE being more likeable than him that you take it as an attack on your brother and ruin whatever development every character had to keep him "interesting". How embarrassing.

 

[Private Pyle]

And it just made Pink Diamond into one of the worst characters.

That one in particular gets to me. They wanted her to be this morally grey character who had to make hard decisions but was still sympathetic. By the end of the show, she turned out to have abandoned her friend and physically abused her Pearl, with Steven having nothing but disdain for his mother. It actually got to the point that people labelled her “Villain of the Year” and “The True Villain of SU”. How do you fuck up a morally grey character that bad?

The frustrating part is how people defend her saying “She had a tough life, lay off!”or “You don’t get it, we’re watching her character development in reverse!”

For all the crystal gems' boistering about "Earth is precious and worth protecting", they never mention the humans. Just the rock. Figures.

This goes back to what I was saying about the townies. They claim to be protecting humans but never interact with them that much, again outside of one wedding. What makes this even more bizarre is the whole point of the show is to show “the magic of the mundane” and how humanity is great. Sugar kind of missed the mark on that...

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

Not really. You were just praising the show and getting all autistic over other people not praising it with you.

If I was autistic over this show, I wouldn’t need a response notification to remind me the thread exists lol

 

[Meowthkip]

It's cuz he's a Straight! White! Male! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

But in all seriousness, Greg is the only consistently good thing about the show, and the only character other than Spinel with any kind of charm or appeal. The fact that the gems act like assholes to Greg and take him for granted only makes him more appealing.

Greg reminds me a lot of my dad. It makes me kind of sad when people hate him.

I fond there are two kinds of people, the ones who love Steven Universe and the ones that don’t get it.

I liked it. I thought it had a lot of interesting ideas and I was willing to stick with it until it revealed a twist that I just thought was fucking bullshit because people saw it coming from a mile away. So no, I don't love it, but it's not because I don't "get" it. I had higher expectations for it, and that, along with the fanbase, I was finally fed up.

The Pink Diamond arc was the worst thing ever, largely because even literal window licking tards could see it coming from halfway across the fucking galaxy. It was the most utterly predictable shit ever. And it just made Pink Diamond into one of the worst characters.

Yep, that was the part that made me throw in the towel.

If I was autistic over this show, I wouldn’t need a response notification to remind me the thread exists lol

Oh, you're a cheeky one.

 

[Private Pyle]

I hate to break up the conversation but new leaked audio dropped: https://www.reddit.com/r/SULeaks/co...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This is important to note because it confirms a rumor going around; Steven tries to propose to Connie Ruby style and gets BTFO’d. With this in mind, some other rumors are mostly confirmed.
-Greg’s van is crushed thanks to Steven and Greg ends up in the hospital (Seriously what is their problem with Greg?)
-Spinel and the Diamonds are now “craftswomen” who focus on healing gems (Progress I guess?)
-Steven gets corrupted and possibly brings back the Cluster (Oh wow, yet another twist everyone saw coming)
-Steven eventually decides to leave Beach City in order to “find himself”.

Yeah, this is totally a story that needed to be told in 20 episodes.