Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[TaimuRadiu]

They aren't tho? Quarantine is a natural step, even if it encompasses huge amounts of people. From the beginning China's government has had an incredibly meh attitude towards it and used the WHO to try to make a point that 'everything was fine'.

Panic would be locking down the country and wiping out cities where the virus has taken root.



They're not really though. Studies have been doing a slow trickle since it began but unless those are peer-reviewed and facts confirmed by scientific means they only give you an idea of what's happening. Results would have to be replicated and confirmed. The government(s) of the world are not going to throw their backing on anything that isn't 100% confirmed when it comes to a virus like this because they'll have to keep walking back or changing the information as more becomes available. It would cause more confusion than help. There's aspects we can make safe assumptions on and they may go that route, but at the end of the day there's a lot of what if(s) that will take time to confirm or deny and there's going to be outliers in every population that get it differently from everyone else.

It's easier and safer to point out the things they know work; wash / sanitize your hands frequently. Avoid hugely populated areas. Be aware of your surroundings. Watch for cases in your area. Cover your coughs and sneezes. Stock up in case of quarantine. Stay home if you are sick. If you've been to a place with a known outbreak and have symptoms contact medical support from home vs. possibly infecting a whole hospital. Etc.

You cannot tell how virulent or deadly an outgoing outbreak is until it's mostly over. You can guesstimate and you can tell how deadly it is among those with severe symptoms who sought medical treatment but you can't know how bad it truly is unless you look at the outbreak post it's end. Given how it's spreading there's probably way more people who had it mildly or didn't show any symptoms at all. So if you tested all of Wuhan post the outbreak and found 100,000(s) of people with the antibodies for it, suddenly your X% death rate tanks because way more people had it but were completely fine.



Big or Small, it doesn't really matter when it comes to the economic repercussions.

We've talked about the economy a lot in this thread but the fact remains that even the richest people are shit out of luck on this front when you consider it. Pulling your money out isn't really going to help you because this isn't like a war or something where you can leave one market and go to the next. Disease is a great equalizer because you can't just run from it. There's no real benefit because your money won't be able to save you from something that nobody can really control.

Whether you're a king or a lowly street sweeper sooner or later you dance with the Reaper.

 

[Male Idiot]

I do not know but China is taking steps out of a black plague guide wooden cutout that is hurting their bottom line.

If it was a country that actually cared for its citizens doing it, I would just chalk it up to being cautious.

But this is communist China. A regime with more disregard for its citizens than any European country, now or in the past.

It is like an alcoholic swearing off a booze just that bad.

 

[Bum Driller]

China still has better health care, or at least more, than slavsquat country.

And they shit on human.... well yellow locust lives. So for them to try and contain something instead of just shrugging off the casaulities, shit has to be bad.

You're quite delusional if you think that China of all places would have better healthcare than any European nation. For the rich and powerful, yes, but for the common chinese? You serious?

 

[Aria]

Iran frees 54,000 prisoners to combat coronavirus

A judiciary spokesman says the inmates were granted furlough after testing negative for Covid-19.

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Iran temporarily frees 54,000 prisoners to combat spread

Iran has temporarily released more than 54,000 prisoners in an effort to combat the spread of the new coronavirus disease in crowded jails.

Judiciary spokesman Gholamhossein Esmaili told reporters that the inmates were granted furlough after testing negative for Covid-19 and posting bail.

"Security prisoners" sentenced to more than five years will not be let out.

The jailed British-Iranian charity worker Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe may be freed soon, according to a British MP.

Tulip Siddiq cited the Iranian ambassador to the UK as saying that Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe "may be released on furlough today or tomorrow".


Her husband said on Saturday that he believed she had contracted Covid-19 and that the prison authorities were refusing to test her.

But Mr Esmaili insisted on Monday that Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe had subsequently been in contact with her family and "told them about her good health".

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Iran's Covid-19 outbreak has killed at least 77 people in less than two weeks.

On Tuesday, the number of confirmed cases rose by 50% for the second day in a row. It now stands at 2,336, although the real figure is believed to far higher.

A number of senior Iranian officials have contracted the virus. Among the latest is the head of the emergency medical services, Pirhossein Kolivand.

 

[Male Idiot]

You're quite delusional if you think that China of all places would have better healthcare than any European nation. For the rich and powerful, yes, but for the common chinese? You serious?

Europe is not just Western Europe. Have you seen an Eastern European hospital before?

Fuck, we are not on China level. We are on Iran level.

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Tömeges felmondás a Szent Imre kórházban, omladozó falak a Szent János kórházban.

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[Jeffrey Epstein]

I do not know but China is taking steps out of a black plague guide wooden cutout that is hurting their bottom line.

If it was a country that actually cared for its citizens doing it, I would just chalk it up to being cautious.

But this is communist China. A regime with more disregard for its citizens than any European country, now or in the past.

It is like an alcoholic swearing off a booze just that bad.

The whole thing is a negative feedback loop downward spiral. If they cared in the first place, then the virus probably wouldn't have existed. They've welded people in and probably killed some or many. They want to make sure that the uninfected can still work themselves to the bone and die completely exhausted after backbreaking labor for years. It doesn't matter how bad the virus is compared to how many viable workers they retain. The health and conditions only exacerbate the problems, so once you're tainted, you're tainted, and thrown into the bin. They want a viable work force, they don't care about the virus. They think they're better than the virus. It's a horror show mostly because of China, and not the virus.

I truly hope that all of the many Chinese Risk of Rain 2 players that have high ping and are named Ping continue to be shut-ins and either leave the in game lobby or leave during the first 30 seconds of the game, (preferably if they are the host). thanku

 

[Male Idiot]

You're quite delusional if you think that China of all places would have better healthcare than any European nation. For the rich and powerful, yes, but for the common chinese? You serious?

Europe is not just Western Europe. Have you seen an Eastern European hospital before?

Fuck, we are not on China level. We are on Iran level.

Maternity ward

Innovative equipment:

I had to visit opposition sites for this, I am now on a list and my anti-Soros rep is ruined. See what you made me do. It had pictures of ugly faggots and minorities and kike dykes and now my appetite is gone.

 

[Logical Fallacies]

Are there any recovered people that have talked about it or profiles on mild cases or recovered people that can reveal in depth info?

The first infected in Germany talked about it to the press and he basically said it wasn't that bad. He had flu-like symptoms but felt better after a few days and only after hearing that his Chinese colleague got the virus, he went to the doctor to get himself tested. He said that most of the time he didn't even feel ill.

Er war 18 Tage in Quarantäne: Jetzt spricht der erste Corona-Patient in Deutschland

Coronavirus in Deutschland, inzwischen sind Dutzende infiziert. Nun spricht der erste Patient hierzulande über den Verlauf der Krankheit.

www.express.de

 

[Jeffrey Epstein]

Europe is not just Western Europe. Have you seen an Eastern European hospital before?

Fuck, we are not on China level. We are on Iran level.

I had to visit opposition sites for this, I am now on a list and my anti-Soros rep is ruined. See what you made me do. It had pictures of ugly faggots and minorities and kike dykes and now my appetite is gone.

Reminds me of that clinic in Syberia 3.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but China released mortality rates by age group

https://web.archive.org/web/2020030...coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Also fatality rate by comorbidity

Here's the paper by the Chinese CDC

http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51
https://web.archive.org/web/2020030...ticle/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

Like influenza, the death rates are concentrated in the old and already very sick.

 

[Male Idiot]

Reminds me of that clinic in Syberia 3.

I was in the big central lung hospital for pneumonia, and let me tell you, toilet paper and soap are non existent.
But it did have hand sanitiser. If you ran out of toilet paper, you use the shower, wipe with your hand and go to the doctor's room for sanitiser. If you are lucky some of your room mates are good people, in a good enough condition to walk and got a tp stash they are willing to share.

 

[Gallofag]

Europe is not just Western Europe. Have you seen an Eastern European hospital before?

Fuck, we are not on China level. We are on Iran level.

Maternity ward

Innovative equipment:

I had to visit opposition sites for this, I am now on a list and my anti-Soros rep is ruined. See what you made me do. It had pictures of ugly faggots and minorities and kike dykes and now my appetite is gone.

But Muh White Privilege

 

[Zig Zag]

Second case in NY confirmed, in Westchester (just north of NYC/the Bronx). Gov. Cuomo shows his slimy face to downplay the situation. Two Jewish high schools in NYC (Riverdale, North Bronx and near Westchester county line) were also apparently closed this morning due to virus fears as well. Given the virus' two-week incubation period, the large Asian population, and NYC's status as a population hub with hilariously terrible public transportation, I feel this is most likely the first of many in NYC area.

Coronavirus in New York: Westchester man has state's second confirmed case

Spoiler: Coronavirus in New York: Westchester man has state's second confirmed case

ALBANY – A Westchester County man has tested positive for the coronavirus disease overnight despite no known travel links to China or other countries at the center of the outbreak, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday morning.

The 50-year-old man, who lives in New Rochelle and works as an attorney in Manhattan, remains in a New York City hospital and has an "underlying respiratory illness," according to Cuomo.

The patient is in serious condition, Mayor Bill de Blasio said.

The case marks New York's second confirmed case of the coronavirus, following a health care worker from Manhattan who remains quarantined in her apartment.

The New Rochelle man was initially treated at Lawrence Hospital in Bronxville before he was transferred to a New York City hospital, which Cuomo did not name.

One of his children attend the SAR Academy in the Bronx, which voluntarily closed Tuesday, according to Cuomo.

The patient works in Manhattan. State officials said they are tracing how the man commuted to the city, including whether he took public transportation.

This illustration reveals ultrastructural morphology exhibited by the novel coronavirus, COVID-19. (Photo: U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

The man had not traveled to China, Italy or other outbreak-affected countries in recent weeks.

He had traveled to Miami, though not while he was contagious, according to state Health Commissioner Howard Zucker. The Florida city is not known to be a coronavirus hot spot.

"We have a case today of a gentleman in Westchester who tested positive," Cuomo said on LI News Radio. "The initial review of his travel doesn't suggest any direct connection to China or any of the countries on the watch list."

Cuomo said the state, which recently received federal approval for its own coronavirus test, is quarantining two families in Buffalo who recently traveled to Italy, though lab results remain pending.


The governor urged people to remain calm, noting the spread of the virus is similar to the flu.

"This is New York," he said. "We deal with things like this and we're stronger for it."

Watch: Gov. Andrew Cuomo details Westchester case of coronavirus

Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday, March 3, 2020, that New York's second case of coronavirus was confirmed in Westchester County -- a New Rochelle lawyer who works in Manhattan.

uw-media.lohud.com

At least two New York high schools close after suspected coronavirus case in local community

Spoiler: At least two New York high schools close after suspected coronavirus case in local community

At least two New York area high schools closed Tuesday after a suspected case of the COVID-19 coronavirus in the local community.
SAR Academy and SAR High School said in a statement that it was a precautionary measure, following guidelines from the New York City Department of Health. The school is located in the Bronx neighborhood of Riverdale, according to its website. It’s a modern orthodox Jewish High School, according to its Facebook page.

Another Jewish school outside New York City, Westchester Day School, also announced it would be closed Tuesday due to the potential case at SAR. Westchester Torah Academy was also reportedly closing.
The New York City Department of Health did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment. Representatives from Westchester Day School were not immediately available for comment. Reuters first reported the school closure.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he will hold a press conference to update the public on the COVID-19 outbreak at 9:00 am ET.

Over the weekend, New York health officials confirmed the state’s first coronavirus case, a woman who recently traveled to Iran and is currently isolated in her Manhattan home.

As of Monday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says there are 91 cases of COVID-19 in the United States.

At least 48 of those cases are repatriates from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, and the Diamond Princess cruise ship, according to an update on the agency’s website. At least 17 cases — 12 confirmed and 5 presumptive positive — are travel-related infections. Twenty-six cases — 4 confirmed and 22 presumptive positive— are from human-to-human interaction, according to the CDC.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Subway train and stations are filthy, I avoid them as much as I can.

Second case in NY confirmed, in Westchester (just north of NYC/the Bronx). Gov. Cuomo shows his slimy face to downplay the situation. Two Jewish high schools in NYC (Riverdale, North Bronx and near Westchester county line) were also apparently closed this morning due to virus fears as well. Given the virus' two-week incubation period, the large Asian population, and NYC's status as a population hub with hilariously terrible public transportation, I feel this is most likely the first of many in NYC area.

Coronavirus in New York: Westchester man has state's second confirmed case

Spoiler: Coronavirus in New York: Westchester man has state's second confirmed case

ALBANY – A Westchester County man has tested positive for the coronavirus disease overnight despite no known travel links to China or other countries at the center of the outbreak, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday morning.

The 50-year-old man, who lives in New Rochelle and works as an attorney in Manhattan, remains in a New York City hospital and has an "underlying respiratory illness," according to Cuomo.

The patient is in serious condition, Mayor Bill de Blasio said.

The case marks New York's second confirmed case of the coronavirus, following a health care worker from Manhattan who remains quarantined in her apartment.

The New Rochelle man was initially treated at Lawrence Hospital in Bronxville before he was transferred to a New York City hospital, which Cuomo did not name.

One of his children attend the SAR Academy in the Bronx, which voluntarily closed Tuesday, according to Cuomo.

The patient works in Manhattan. State officials said they are tracing how the man commuted to the city, including whether he took public transportation.

This illustration reveals ultrastructural morphology exhibited by the novel coronavirus, COVID-19. (Photo: U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

The man had not traveled to China, Italy or other outbreak-affected countries in recent weeks.

He had traveled to Miami, though not while he was contagious, according to state Health Commissioner Howard Zucker. The Florida city is not known to be a coronavirus hot spot.

"We have a case today of a gentleman in Westchester who tested positive," Cuomo said on LI News Radio. "The initial review of his travel doesn't suggest any direct connection to China or any of the countries on the watch list."

Cuomo said the state, which recently received federal approval for its own coronavirus test, is quarantining two families in Buffalo who recently traveled to Italy, though lab results remain pending.


The governor urged people to remain calm, noting the spread of the virus is similar to the flu.

"This is New York," he said. "We deal with things like this and we're stronger for it."

Watch: Gov. Andrew Cuomo details Westchester case of coronavirus

Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday, March 3, 2020, that New York's second case of coronavirus was confirmed in Westchester County -- a New Rochelle lawyer who works in Manhattan.

uw-media.lohud.com

At least two New York high schools close after suspected coronavirus case in local community

Spoiler: At least two New York high schools close after suspected coronavirus case in local community

At least two New York area high schools closed Tuesday after a suspected case of the COVID-19 coronavirus in the local community.
SAR Academy and SAR High School said in a statement that it was a precautionary measure, following guidelines from the New York City Department of Health. The school is located in the Bronx neighborhood of Riverdale, according to its website. It’s a modern orthodox Jewish High School, according to its Facebook page.

Another Jewish school outside New York City, Westchester Day School, also announced it would be closed Tuesday due to the potential case at SAR. Westchester Torah Academy was also reportedly closing.
The New York City Department of Health did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment. Representatives from Westchester Day School were not immediately available for comment. Reuters first reported the school closure.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he will hold a press conference to update the public on the COVID-19 outbreak at 9:00 am ET.

Over the weekend, New York health officials confirmed the state’s first coronavirus case, a woman who recently traveled to Iran and is currently isolated in her Manhattan home.

As of Monday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says there are 91 cases of COVID-19 in the United States.

At least 48 of those cases are repatriates from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, and the Diamond Princess cruise ship, according to an update on the agency’s website. At least 17 cases — 12 confirmed and 5 presumptive positive — are travel-related infections. Twenty-six cases — 4 confirmed and 22 presumptive positive— are from human-to-human interaction, according to the CDC.

As if, this is on par with the Augean stables. Too little, too late.

MTA preps ‘stockpiles’ of disinfectant for daily coronavirus cleaning

The MTA will routinely disinfect stations, trains and buses as a precaution against coronavirus, transit officials said Monday. Starting Monday night, transit workers will deep clean the entire sys…

nypost.com

 

[Logical Fallacies]

Breaking News: Corona-chan is now basically at my doorstep. Nobody's panicking, no facial masks, no sign of "Hamsterkäufe" in my region yet, only an unusually large amount of people at the doctor. At all our local doctors as I have been told. Weird.

We now have 200 confirmed cases. Apparently some politician in Thuringia is also suspected to be infected which would be bad for the election on Wednesday. If he's actually infected something like half the politicians in Thuringia state parliament have to be quarantined.

Coronavirus-Newsticker: In Deutschland jetzt rund 200 Infizierte - manager magazin - Politik

Das Coronavirus hat die Weltwirtschaft im Griff. In Deutschland breitet sich die Krankheit weiter aus. Verfolgen Sie die aktuellen Entwicklungen in unserem Newsticker.

www.manager-magazin.de

Corona-Krise: Niedersachsen und Bremen setzen drastische Maßnahmen um

Das Coronavirus breitet sich auch in Norddeutschland rasant aus. In Niedersachsen und Bremen bleiben seit 16. März Schulen und Kitas geschlossen. Nun sind weitere drastische Schritte beschlossen worden.

www.kreiszeitung.de

I don't think this is containable. More and more cases will pop up. Anyways, if I get, I get it. If I don't, I don't. I do have a runny nose and a bit of a sore throat, you know.

 

[Jarolleon]

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From SA, “eat the rich” is very funny after 3k people have died including 6 elderly here in the US.

If the doomers are right it wouldn't eat the rich, it would kill the poor. The Black Death killed so many more poor than rich that there was a severe labour shortage afterwards and the working classes had bargaining power.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I wonder if it would be possible to use a coronavirus similar enough (but not virulent or with all the nasty bits stripped away) to the Wu coronavirus for a vaccine, like how Jenner used cowpox to inoculate against smallpox. Someone with expertise like @Otterly tell me if I'm being silly.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Just heard this on the Russian news, and checked it on the NHK: apparently, some asthma drugs can help for pneumonia caused by the virus:
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200303_20/

They don’t fight the virus. But they help with the respiratory distress. Bronchodilators and such. It’s normal for any pneumonia.

Heard a few minutes of Rush Limbaugh yesterday. He was opinining this is a nothingburger, a mainstram media/Democrat op to distract from their shitshow circus primary and make Trump look bad. That it would soon blow over and they'd focus on another distraction.

He also compared this to the swine flu panic of 1976 where President Ford mandated vaccines and the vaccines made more people sick than the actual flu implying that we should not trust govt vaccines if they get them for Corona.




This. Looking at that vid from the Russian dude on the ground in China posted yesterday, I was fairly impressed with the Chinese tactics, response, and ability to clear the streets. I cannot see that happening in America, One thing that would unite the races is both Shenequa and Karen will be equally shrill and refusing to cooperate if some gov'mint types DARE to tell them they need a pass to go outside and why don't they open another register these lines are unacceptable where is the manager?

Rush has quite severe lung cancer. He’s a dead man wheezing already.

There's a lot of reports lately that mysteriously leave out the age and pre-existing illnesses of the people...

Don’t read too much into that. As Corona-Chan progresses into the West you bump into some complex patient privacy laws. So they will not state any info that can be used to tie the report back to a specific named individual. Even when they probably can say more they won’t because laws like Hippa are so bloody confusing and draconian that they err on the side of minimal detail.

These are the first two articles I found on it.

Coronavirus: Some live, some die. Why?

This week, the state of Washington reported two new coronavirus cases. One is resting at home, recovering nicely. The other is dead. Why do some people fare so much worse than others?

www.mercurynews.com

Most Coronavirus Cases Are Mild. That’s Good and Bad News. - The New …

archived 28 Feb 2020 04:16:15 UTC

archive.ph

Haven't found testimonies though. It seems like most people are experiencing mild enough symptoms that they dont go to the doctor.

there was a piece written by the 83 year old American couple in Japan from the Cruise ship who have recovered. I can’t find it at the moment, but it should be 10 or 12 pages back.

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but China released mortality rates by age group

https://web.archive.org/web/2020030...coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

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Here's the paper by the Chinese CDC

http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51
https://web.archive.org/web/2020030...ticle/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

Like influenza, the death rates are concentrated in the old and already very sick.

Keep in mind 80 is contrary to hipster journalists, not the new 70. At 80+ pretty much anything looks to have similar outcomes to Corona-Chan. Any illness or trauma can and often will start causing a cascade failure in the patient. It’s why Grandma can be perfectly fine till she suffers a fall, then things start rapidly getting worse. The body can no longer deal adequately to stresses.

it is fascinating that kids seem able to shrug it off.

 

[Otterly]

I wonder if it would be possible to use a coronavirus similar enough (but not virulent or with all the nasty bits stripped away) to the Wu coronavirus for a vaccine, like how Jenner used cowpox to inoculate against smallpox. Someone with expertise like @Otterly tell me if I'm being silly.

No you aren’t, that’s basically what vaccines are. The body needs to ‘see’ the bits of the virus that are antigenic ( the bits we make antibodies to.) You either weaken the virus and show it to the body (attenuated virus vaccine like MMR) or kill it (dead virus vaccines like whooping cough) and show it to the body. Or, in many newer systems, you just show the specific proteins or bits or even the toxins produced . The immune system responds, and has memory cells that file away and remember what they have seen. Next time you see it they have a head start.

 

[Aria]

Pope Francis tests negative for coronavirus

Pope Francis, who cancelled a series of engagements last week after falling ill, has tested negative for coronavirus - amid an outbreak of the disease in Italy that has sickened 2,000 people.

www.dailymail.co.uk