Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[StarkRavingMad]

It's going to get bad. Imperial College (basically, the UK's MIT... if there is a group of researchers who know data science and modelling and getting their maths right, it's them) released a report that has forced the government here to change their previous 'pint at the winchester while it blows over' strategy. Page 8.

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Even following the new advice, intensive care facilities will be at capacity by the middle to late April (a month from now) with a peak in June of 8 times available capacity. That could mean that 7 out of every 8 patients presenting with a need for critical care will not have a bed.

We're building extra ventilators like crazy, and hotels are being approached to use as temporary hospitals. I think today, after reading this report, the government has finally woken up to how underprepared they are.

While it's not good news to see that the math is pointing towards a "the worst has yet to come" forecast, I guarantee that a lot of people will see this, assume that these hospital beds will be all overflowed by "infected" people, and freak out.

It's good to remind people that other illnesses still exist. This virus isn't stopping people from getting heart attacks, developing cancer, having strokes, etc. Those types of patients are still occupying hospital beds, too.

So yeah, it's not good to not have enough hospital and ICU beds, no matter how you shake it. However, it's important to remind people that these hospitals aren't all full with COVID-19 patients, too. I can easily see people (you know, the type of people that hoarded toilet paper) seeing these numbers and this chart, and then panicking all over again, thinking that the likelihood of catching this virus has become a 100% guarantee, or something.

 

[Iuz]

Hit King Suppers today to fill prescriptions and seek potatoes, eggs and saltines. All of which where out. Which is dumb. So settled for some bagels and that delicious garden veg cream cheese that apparently no one but me likes. Pasta was completely wiped out besides the more expensive bean pasta as was the isle devoted to paper goods. Red meat besides pork bratwurst was gone. The I can't believe its meat shit was still full. Lots of shrimp and fish. The can isle was 2/3rds empty and not a egg to sea. Milk was in but the only chocolate variety was soy so hard pass. picked up some half and half to make some white Putin. Frozen veggies besides onions where out but managed to score some frozen hash browns. The cheese and Mediterranean bar was untouched, was tempted but chose not to snatch the grape leaves.

Only saw one person wearing a mask.

Edit: Colorado got Mexico too? Is Madagascar next?

Also Lol at that auto text for ha*h br*wns

 

[Botchy Galoop]

Rekieta Live is giving his hot take on Youtube right now. He is a Lolbertarain, and probably disappoint that the Dick Shows party is cancelled since he planned on going himself. I get his concern over giving over you rights to peaceful assembly and mistrust of the govt. But I haven't heard any good solutions coming from the Libertarian alarmists. Are all these shutdowns by the various local, state and federal gov't an overreach of power?


Discuss.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Info Coronavirus COVID-19

Depuis janvier 2020 une épidémie de Coronavirus COVID-19 (ex 2019-nCoV) s’est propagée depuis la Chine. Retrouvez sur cette plateforme toutes les réponses officielles aux questions que vous vous posez sur ce qu’est le Coronavir...

www.gouvernement.fr

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Spoiler: Rough Translation

All the answers to your questions about the COVID-19 Coronavirus:

On March 16, 2020, the President of the Republic decided to take measures to minimize contact and travel. A containment system is in place throughout the territory from Tuesday, March 17 at 12:00 p.m., for a minimum of fifteen days. Travel is prohibited except in the following cases and only if you have a certificate for:

Move from home to work when telework is not possible;
Make essential purchases in authorized local shops;
Go to a health professional;
Travel for childcare or to help vulnerable people with the strict condition of respecting barrier gestures;
Exercise only on an individual basis, around the home and without any gathering.

The certificate necessary to circulate will be available on this page this Tuesday, March 17.

Violations of these rules will be punished with a fine ranging from 38 to 135 euros.

I don't know if this has made the rounds yet, but France is apparently entering complete lockdown.
Citizens will no longer be allowed to leave their homes without an authorization, with a decently hefty fine associated with non-compliance. Overall, pretty Dystopian.
The interesting part is that the english section of the website details no such thing. Had I not been told to directly translate the french version it would've slipped past me.
I'm wondering how many people will play ball, and if we're soon to see all-out riots.

It's not like the French haven't been practicing every weekend to get ready for some main event Social Unrest? What the holy hell is Macron thinking? Here in the US I don't think we are on a track to see much if any Social Unrest or Rioting. (Maybe some small scale looting in the usual areas looking for a "consumer discount"). This just isn't the sort of thing American's Generally Riot over. The only exception might be the idiot in San Francisco who is Ordering Americans to "Shelter in Place" rather than simply advising them to do so. Believe it or not, when given the choice most American's will do the right thing. It's when you rob them of choice that they get ugly. Managing the American Public in an emergency is like Herding Cats. And the Americans are nowhere near as obstinate and contrarian as the French Citizenry. Who view being such as an element of French Culture.

 

[Allanon]

Rekieta Live is giving his hot take on Youtube right now. He is a Lolbertarain, and probably disappoint that the Dick Shows party is cancelled since he planned on going himself. I get his concern over giving over you rights to peaceful assembly and mistrust of the govt. But I haven't heard any good solutions coming from the Libertarian alarmists. Are all these shutdowns by the various local, state and federal gov't an overreach of power?


Discuss.

No solution is necessary.

 

[Iuz]

Rekieta Live is giving his hot take on Youtube right now. He is a Lolbertarain, and probably disappoint that the Dick Shows party is cancelled since he planned on going himself. I get his concern over giving over you rights to peaceful assembly and mistrust of the govt. But I haven't heard any good solutions coming from the Libertarian alarmists. Are all these shutdowns by the various local, state and federal gov't an overreach of power?


Discuss.

The regulation of commerce is well within the government's jurisdiction. If the SCOTUS held up the right of the Fed to ban you from feeding your own animals with your own crops due to the possible effects on the price of grain in another state, they will surely uphold this.

 

[Blop]

OK so like so much of what’s going on reminds me of the book Alas Babylon — I’m gonna read it again and recommend it to all of you. It’s about the aftermath of WWIII but relevant and interesting now because it deals with building a society again in the aftermath of mass tragedy.

 

[TheRedChair]

Update: Sort of.

One of my Contact Providers is in Portugal. He is in quarantine. Told me that the Government will be doing a mandatory shut down in his area. This might happen in a few days. I've already talk to him if he needs any financial assistance, since he's been good to me I'll return the favor.

Now the hard question to ask. Do you people have enough money on hand.... not in the bank to weather this out?
What's going to happen when people lose their jobs is unable to get unemployment and/or get it late? Are you living pay check to pay check? And what about your creditors?

MONEY.... TALKS.... MONEY ALWAYS TALKS...

Yea it is a hard question but it is a valid one as I do not see a zombie apoc type of situation. But we have now are getting stay in place orders through out the country.

Myself and others have stated things and now they have come to pass. We are now in the next segment of this situation. Self Quarantine/Quarantine stage in certain major parts of the country.

So the question again is that do you have the resources to way this out?

I know I can, because if you have been listening to me you will have already found out I've been through some bad situations similar as this, so I calmly stalked up my supplies... have money on hand for 3+ months and took care of what needed to take care of while nursing my wife back to normal. She's off the O2 today so we will see if she does not need it at all.

I had 45 days to stock up and took care of things. Did you?

I'm going to talk to several other contact providers through out this week and get a feel on things on a more global aspect. I already know that in my region where 5% of the US population resides. Parts of it are still sideways, while other parts of the region are calmer due to the bad weather. But a lot of produce are gone in the regions I visited which includes rural areas.

We are not going to have a Zombie Apoc level of Disaster. But we are going to have a economic situation that a majority of people in the US are not yet prepared for.

So I still suggest the following:

1. Supplies are stretched and will be spotty so I calmly get what you can and ask your store manager when the next batch of produce will come in.

2. Try to get some cash on hand and don't be a dumb ass on how much you have at your home. That just invites Darwin in Action.

3. Fuel You are going to make sure your gas tanks are all filled and grab a few extra cans and fill them up as well.

4. Medicine and first aid equipment. Yes you are going to need this if things get ugly.

5. You better have some sort of contingency plan if things get ugly.

Depending on the region you life this might be nothing at all. Or it can get real ugly when people do not have the money to spend start taking things from people, usually in a violent manner. This all depends on how quickly the virus spreads the time duration of virus in question and how it is being spread. This is going to hit the poor far worse than the middle class so expect things to go sideways in those areas in a few weeks... That is if the spread of the virus disrupts the economy of that region.

We all need money to live on in a civilized society, when this does not work then you will see the panic, the aggression, and the riots take root. I hope that does not happen but I already went though one race riot so I know what to expect when there is a disruption in a poorer section of the region I am reporting in.

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

Just realized I only have 4 rounds of ammo in this whole house. That's enough to kill everyone but me. Going to end up being a mist movie ending here in a few months if I can't get more. Thanks governor of PA

 

[TheRedChair]

I'm absolutely fucking stoked to be able to wear a respirator in public. Our cyberpunk future is here!

Okay that's funny. The only thing I've got to say back to you is...

MONA LISA.... OVERDRIVE...

If you knew that phrase (without googling it) then you are a true Cyber Punker.

 

[beautiful person]

Four new cases of coronavirus in Oregon veterans home, authorities say

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www.oregonlive.com

Four new cases of coronavirus in Oregon veterans home, authorities sa…

archived 17 Mar 2020 05:08:03 UTC

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Four new cases at Oregon veteran's home. This brings total infections at this facility to 14, including one employee.

Eight other cases were reported elsewhere in the state, so in total there are 12 new cases today.

Overall total is 51 cases, including one death.

Edit: Also, governor has banned gatherings of 25+ people, with exceptions for workplaces, stores, etc., and bars and restaurants are only allowed to serve take out or delivery. (archive)

 

[Iuz]

Update: Sort of.

One of my Contact Providers is in Portugal. He is in quarantine. Told me that the Government will be doing a mandatory shut down in his area. This might happen in a few days. I've already talk to him if he needs any financial assistance, since he's been good to me I'll return the favor.

Now the hard question to ask. Do you people have enough money on hand.... not in the bank to weather this out?
What's going to happen when people lose their jobs is unable to get unemployment and/or get it late? Are you living pay check to pay check? And what about your creditors?

MONEY.... TALKS.... MONEY ALWAYS TALKS...

Yea it is a hard question but it is a valid one as I do not see a zombie apoc type of situation. But we have now are getting stay in place orders through out the country.

Myself and others have stated things and now they have come to pass. We are now in the next segment of this situation. Self Quarantine/Quarantine stage in certain major parts of the country.

So the question again is that do you have the resources to way this out?

I know I can, because if you have been listening to me you will have already found out I've been through some bad situations similar as this, so I calmly stalked up my supplies... have money on hand for 3+ months and took care of what needed to take care of while nursing my wife back to normal. She's off the O2 today so we will see if she does not need it at all.

I had 45 days to stock up and took care of things. Did you?

I'm going to talk to several other contact providers through out this week and get a feel on things on a more global aspect. I already know that in my region where 5% of the US population resides. Parts of it are still sideways, while other parts of the region are calmer due to the bad weather. But a lot of produce are gone in the regions I visited which includes rural areas.

We are not going to have a Zombie Apoc level of Disaster. But we are going to have a economic situation that a majority of people in the US are not yet prepared for.

So I still suggest the following:

1. Supplies are stretched and will be spotty so I calmly get what you can and ask your store manager when the next batch of produce will come in.

2. Try to get some cash on hand and don't be a dumb ass on how much you have at your home. That just invites Darwin in Action.

3. Fuel You are going to make sure your gas tanks are all filled and grab a few extra cans and fill them up as well.

4. Medicine and first aid equipment. Yes you are going to need this if things get ugly.

5. You better have some sort of contingency plan if things get ugly.

Depending on the region you life this might be nothing at all. Or it can get real ugly when people do not have the money to spend start taking things from people, usually in a violent manner. This all depends on how quickly the virus spreads the time duration of virus in question and how it is being spread. This is going to hit the poor far worse than the middle class so expect things to go sideways in those areas in a few weeks... That is if the spread of the virus disrupts the economy of that region.

We all need money to live on in a civilized society, when this does not work then you will see the panic, the aggression, and the riots take root. I hope that does not happen but I already went though one race riot so I know what to expect when there is a disruption in a poorer section of the region I am reporting in.

On that note Colorado has already announced that they will be be waving the work search requirements for unemployment for those who separate due to Corona Chan. I imagine other states will follow through, though how generous those payments are can vary widely. In Colorado its around 1/3rd of your salary up to a point. Other states like Florida are much much less generous.

I still want Trump to approve nation wide emergency disaster assistance as that also covers the self employed and those not covered under regular unemployment.

Edit: And yes, if your not working your separated. Even if it's mandatory unpaid leave and your expected to come back.

Eddit: fuck me I'm wrong. Colorado is allowing unemployment in the event your going back to the same employer within 16 weeks and the employer confirms it. Normal requirements still apply.

 

[UtadaWasabi]

My workplace just issue mandatory unpaid leave.
Good thing that I already prepared for this

 

[Botchy Galoop]

No solution is necessary.

Let the market decide? Should the various gov't have a totally hands off approach? Let people do as they will?

I am not being obstreperous here, I am truly curious. Where is the balance? I certainly don't want to live under a govt like CCP, where they bar their citizens into their homes and force people into sick wards. Rekieta was specifically speaking about the case where the man who was diagnosed with Covid checked himself out of the hospital AMA(against medical advise) and then said he would not confine himself to his home, and was subsequently arrested.

I value my Constitutional rights. I also do not trust the govt to always act in my best interest. Is all this just a panic reaction by all these countries? What would be the motive to tank their own economies? I am not conspiracy minded, but I can understand that some may attribute nefarious motives to such an unprecedented display of gov't control over their populations. Slippery slope?

 

[Cure Milquetoast]

I bought coffee and beer today, which are two total non-necessities, but considering both were on sale (both businesses are temporarily closing due to COVID-19 quarantines) and I'll be working from home, I feel justified.

Also, I echo the sentiments about people not knowing how to cook, but I feel it's primarily laziness versus lack of ability.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Outside China:

101356 confirmed / 3924 dead / 10647 recovered

95075 / 3296 / 9414 yesterday

Iran:

14991 confirmed / 853 dead / 4996 recovered

13938 / 724 / 4590 yesterday

USA:

4661 confirmed / 85 dead / 17 recovered

3774 / 69 / 12 yesterday

 

[the fall of man]

It's not like the French haven't been practicing every weekend to get ready for some main event Social Unrest? What the holy hell is Macron thinking? Here in the US I don't think we are on a track to see much if any Social Unrest or Rioting. (Maybe some small scale looting in the usual areas looking for a "consumer discount"). This just isn't the sort of thing American's Generally Riot over. The only exception might be the idiot in San Francisco who is Ordering Americans to "Shelter in Place" rather than simply advising them to do so. Believe it or not, when given the choice most American's will do the right thing. It's when you rob them of choice that they get ugly. Managing the American Public in an emergency is like Herding Cats. And the Americans are nowhere near as obstinate and contrarian as the French Citizenry. Who view being such as an element of French Culture.

Shelter in Place in California is mostly an earthquake measure (as usual), but we’re encouraged to go outside to get sun and exercise in this case

 

[feral cat #6385]

Why would you marry someone you hate to be around?



The Fed measures likely helped make the drop so bad.



Because he really, really wants it to be, since daddy Trump hasn't been killing us colored folk.



You're arguing with an obvious sock.

Because women change after you marry them. Ultimate false advertising.

 

[the fall of man]

Okay that's funny. The only thing I've got to say back to you is...

MONA LISA.... OVERDRIVE...

If you knew that phrase (without googling it) then you are a true Cyber Punker.

I liked Virtual Light best

 

[feral cat #6385]

This must really suck for the poors that couldn't shop until their food stamps were loaded onto their cards, and those on SSI and SSDI that get paid once a month. How are they suposed to stock up with limited funds that only happen at certain times?

Many of these poor are poor for a reason and aren't what you call forward thinkers they immediately use all their "gibs" to buy junk food and grape soda.

Our Schools are failures, Absolute Failures.

I learned to cook from Good Eats, no really..Alton Brown taught me to cook when my school didn't.

Me too! Thanks to Alton Brown I have a huge appreciation of cooking. Got the whole series downloaded. Will probably rewatch it on while on lock down. His sarcado recipe gave me an appreciation for Sardines.