Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Evilronald]

It’s easy to not see anything wrong when all that sweet Chinese money is blocking your view of anything else. This is the same exceptional individual who has parroted chinas lies on multiple occasion (no human to human transmission, travel bans don’t work, etc.).

No, I would rather walk through an Italian emergency ward that spend time on Facebook.

Guys, I heard that the Executive Director of WHO was on CNN saying that "I have absolutely no reason to believe China's coronavirus numbers are not 100% accurate." Does anybody have clip of that?

Never let a good emergency go to waste.

On one hand you have to hand it to them. They realize that the pendulum is swinging back and this disaster is going to pretty much end any chances of Marxism taking hold in the West for the rest of their lives. So of course they're trying to make a power play now, they literally don't have many chances left.

You think so? Cultural Marxism has been a lot more resilient to this outbreak than I would have expected. While the borders have been closed and globalism has taken a huge blow already, the ideologues and people who profit from division and tribalism have been really ratcheting up the bs.

It’s really unfortunate that Trump didn’t take this more seriously right away. I’m not sure it would’ve made a massive difference considering many of the policies to stop the spread either would have been seen as tyrannical, unconstitutional, or politically suicidal considering we didn’t know how bad this was going to get (or at least how bad it would have been perceived by the public). Additionally, it seems like many of the first patients in these places got it either from Italy or Iran which didn’t get really bad until this month.

 

[Allanon]

It's transparently obvious why the Dems blocked the bill, and Pelosi's response makes it even more so. It's not that they disagree with the way the funding is set up (though I disagree with it myself and would prefer the '1k for every American under (x) income level' that was being suggested earlier), nor is it the loans for the business or even the so-called 'slush fund'. All those things could have been fixed in the later stages of revisions, as people have mentioned, or just been supplemented by another bill. The fact that they rejected the bill and then Pelosi instantly had another bill written up and ready to go (while the media tries to hide that the Dems rejected it) is 100% because they just want the credit. They're that juvenile. Watch. The bill Pelosi presents is not going to be all that different from what the last one was, except with a few tweaks for Dem priorities tossed in for flavor. The substantial difference will be "This bill was written up by Pelosi, this bill was created by the Democrats, this stimulus was the Democrats' plan" - and if the GOP rejects the bill either because the tweaks are bad or they see through it, suddenly all hell will break loose in the media about how the GOP is refusing to allow the bill through and is cutting the throat of the American people over politics.

I don't really know the best way to counter this. Maybe just rubbing it in people's faces that's what the Democrats are doing, and especially underlining if the bill is essentially identical, so that everyone can see the Dems purposefully tanked the stock market and played games with the economy just so they could hog credit they don't deserve and try to avoid letting Trump get the credit for literally anything. (and try desperately to keep the veneer that the dems care about poor people)

 

[SimpleJack420]

Pretty sure I have it from my positive tested coworker that works 5 feet away, I’ll know in a day or two when the drive through test comes back. Even though I been following this thread since Jan, I made the mistake of thinking my office space was a safe area. Coworker was a neet that only went to work and the supermarket but had many health issues.

I’m 35 years old and don’t drink or smoke, and do cardio every day. Since last week I had what felt like a slight cold, the only difference I have had is I noticed when jogging I can’t go as long as usual. I would say I have about a 30% reduction in lung capacity. My oral temperatures have been in the 97.8 range with only one time hit 99 earlier this week. No throat irritation, might cough twice a day.

Unfortunately it appears my girlfriend is getting the symptoms now and they are a little bit worse.

I was embarrassed to update this, but both my girlfriend and I are negative. I was in a confined space with the positive tested (symptomatic) coworker coughing on me a a few hours a day for around 3 days. Coworker is out of ICU and recovering, that bastard should have been dead with all his issues (66 Years old, obese, type 2 diabetes, heart condition, and had a stoke). Either all the symptoms we had were in our head or we could have just had a normal cold.

 

[Otterly]

Do regular colds and flus do the same thing to those nose cells?

. Most colds and flu cause a slight temporary swelling which stops the olfactory gland from working as well. Once the swelling has gone down the sense returns. A cold with buckets of mucous also physically blocks molecules from reaching the olfactory gland and reduces smell and taste too. As do allergies.
If the sense doesn’t come back, that implies a different mechanism entirely and more permanent damage. I’m not seeing any reports on how it pans out.
Anecdotally, my sense of smell and taste are both dulled and I have an odd not quite metallic taste going on.
Day 9, still not feeling great. Very short of breath, chest pain, palpitations, low fever still. Any exertion at all is unpleasant and results in dizziness.
Interesting virus, does not feel like either a cold or the flu at all. Staying home and trying to rest and get some work done from here so I can at least be a bit helpful and not add to the treatment burden. Hopefully will improve from here.
Stay safe, kiwis.

 

[Powder Puff Gorl]

Do regular colds and flus do the same thing to those nose cells?

Yes. I have anosmia due to a horrendous sinus infection I got a few years ago. It's annoying and I miss having a regular sense of smell and taste, but I adapted to it. Some things I can't smell at all, like skunks. I also get a chemical smell stuck in my nose sometimes, but again, it's manageable.

Anosmia

Edit: After reading my favorite otter @Otterly 's post, I realized I answered this question wrong. I had a cold that developed into an infection, so it was the infection that caused anosmia, not the cold itself. Sorry for the bad info, I'm not a med person by any stretch. But hey, enjoy the wikipedia entry anyway.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

FL update: we've been watching the CDC's tracker for a while.

Chief complaint of cough has gone up statewide, which I expected. Obviously people are going to rush the ED since they're freaked out.

Now yesterday our new data says SOB as cc is going up. Welp

Do regular colds and flus do the same thing to those nose cells?

Yes.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Fuck me this thread has somehow become even shittier than it was before. Every other post is the same dipshit group of trolls and nobody even bothered to laugh at this incredible image. I looked and didn't see a response. Maybe I missed it but I dunno...



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It happens whenever murican politics get involved. As uncle joe said, put the trolls on ignore and you'll be happier.

Do regular colds and flus do the same thing to those nose cells?

They can, yes. The news isn't so much what it doea as what it doesn't, namely it doesn't cause neurological damage as the initial report suspected.

. Most colds and flu cause a slight temporary swelling which stops the olfactory gland from working as well. Once the swelling has gone down the sense returns. A cold with buckets of mucous also physically blocks molecules from reaching the olfactory gland and reduces smell and taste too. As do allergies.
If the sense doesn’t come back, that implies a different mechanism entirely and more permanent damage. I’m not seeing any reports on how it pans out.
Anecdotally, my sense of smell and taste are both dulled and I have an odd not quite metallic taste going on.
Day 9, still not feeling great. Very short of breath, chest pain, palpitations, low fever still. Any exertion at all is unpleasant and results in dizziness.
Interesting virus, does not feel like either a cold or the flu at all. Staying home and trying to rest and get some work done from here so I can at least be a bit helpful and not add to the treatment burden. Hopefully will improve from here.
Stay safe, kiwis.

GO TO THE HOSPITAL ALREADY YOU ARE PUTING YOURSELF AT UNNECESARY RISK!

 

[Otterly]

Yes. I have anosmia due to a horrendous sinus infection I got a few years ago. It's annoying and I miss having a regular sense of smell and taste, but I adapted to it. Some things I can't smell at all, like skunks. I also get a chemical smell stuck in my nose sometimes, but again, it's manageable

It can come back, even after a few years, so don’t give up hope entirely. They’ve found people regain function up to nine or so years on. It’s not that common but it happens.

 

[that jerk over there]

Can you post the /wip/ links?

I did, but archive isn't working right on my end. I'm uploading the photo galleries here.

Spoiler: IFEMA tweet pics

Spoiler: Press images

 

[Otterly]

GO TO THE HOSPITAL ALREADY YOU ARE PUTING YOURSELF AT UNNECESARY RISK!

I’m Ok. There’s nothing they’d do there except maybe whack a bit of oxygen in and I don’t think I need it right now. Ive got antibiotics for the secondary infection that was creeping in and all the bronchodilators a girl could need. I’ll go if i have to but I’m very aware that things are slammed just now so unless I deteriorate, I’m staying home and out from under their feet. I still dont know of it is corona but going to hospital right now is a guaranteed way of getting it if it isn’t.
I promise if I’m gasping I’ll go in.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

I was just talking about this today and haven't checked. Do any of the state wide orders have an exemption for farming? We are 3 weeks out from the start of planting season for corn in zone 8. A big chunk of the cornbelt (zones 6-7) starts April 15th. If farmers sit at home for the next 4-6 weeks there will be problems by fall.



This is probably the same train you posted earlier, just a different video. A train full of JLTVs rolled through Chicago Thursday night on it's way from the Oshkosh factory WI to point of delivery. People freaked the fuck out and the Illinois National Guard had to make a tweet about it.

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To be fair, this is exactly what they would say if they were moving troops in place for martial law. Downplay to forestall panic until everything is in place and ready to go.

Yep.

You can imagine what would happen in an area like Vegas when all the service industries are shuttered. And that's...their only industry. Median rent is like 1k so trumpbucks aren't going to help much. It's gonna be a bloodbath.

We could be seeing refugees here in the US, migratory waves of displaced US citizens, and mass shantytowns/refugee camps over the next several years.

 

[heathercho]

Interesting piece in Bloomberg about what's the deal with Japan? Are the undercounting cases (for fears of losing the 2020 Games), are going to be hit with an explosion soon, or have they just kept it under wraps?

Japan may have some built-in advantages, such as a culture where handshakes and hugs are less common than in other G-7 countries. It also has rates of hand-washing above those in Europe.

Cases of seasonal flu have been declining for seven straight weeks, just as the coronavirus was spreading, indicating Japanese may have taken to heart the need to adopt some basic steps to stem infectious diseases. Tokyo Metropolitan Infectious Disease Surveillance Center data shows that influenza cases this year are well below normal levels, with nationwide cases at the lowest, according to data going back to 2004.

If that decline in flu cases is real, that would be a good indicator that it's real, but we'll have to wait and see.

Japan is an interesting case. It didn't go into full retard shut down like many countries are proposing - it closed logical places, museums, for a month I believe, well until the 31st of March for some places, but it didn't go as full nuts as other places have. It shut schools, limited things, enforced social distancing, but it didn't go insane.
Neither did South Korea. South Korea hasn't had many deaths either in contrast or need for ventilators.

The way the news is reported in SK and Japan has been completely different too. The two places I work for (one in SK and one in Japan) have decided to lay off being negative because it was upsetting the readership.
South Korea has been a little bit more dramatic in its reporting, but they had 8000ish cases of Corona.

Both places haven't gone into full doomtard mode like the US etc have. Australia, NZ, UK.

There was one (funny but horrible) story from the outbreak in Aichi, where one a guy wanted to infect people and well - he did. He caused that outbreak. He was the town asshole and drunk.

Overall though, it seems divided. Most family and friends who live there are of the opinion that the west is over exaggerating and deliberately making the Corona Virus worse by all the mass hysteria.
Some expats I know who live in Japan, think Japan is under reporting cases because "muh olympics".
I don't believe that to be true, because I have 2 friends who work in hospitals in Tokyo and neither have said it is that bad. I have a family friend who is a pharmacist in SK and he doesn't believe it's as bad as all that.

He believes that Italy is a bad case, because testing is low so infection:death ratio is off + they have a poor health system. I've asked some Italian family friends who live here what their take on why Italy has been so badly effected and they express that it's due to the region that it's hit the hardest having woeful healthcare. Like most people there can't access good healthcare so they're in poor health anyway.

Going back to Japan, I don't think they are under-testing or under-reporting. I truly believe that the west is going all doomsday to get people in line.

They also aren't Glorious Nippon or SK either. They aren't immune to outbreaks, in fact they had a bad flu season coming into 2019. I think the number one reason why SK and Japan are doing better out of it, is the fact that they aren't over reacting, they haven't got as many leftist nuts spewing end of world scenarios, they haven't got people willfully trying to crash the stock market and they (most of the people) are trying to stay positive and are given timelines for when things will open again.
Giving no timelines or making it REALLY long makes people depressed and angry. It makes people less compliant because they no longer give a shit if they get it or not. Trump is right to say 14 days and then get your shit together.
The media legit saying "TRUMP IS BEING HOPEFUL! STOP HIM" really tells you what you need to know.

At least that's what I've collected as an opinion from friends, family and co-workers there - being normal, positive, hopeful and carrying on is important. Shutting down, having media blast misery at you constantly and locking people away is just not what you do.
You just don't put people out of work and then tell them "lol... the virus will probably kill you and if it doesn't you'll be homeless, jobless and having to get used to massive restrictions on life FOREVER. #BRAVE NEW WORLD."

 

[Otterly]

- being normal, positive, hopeful and carrying on is important. Shutting down, having media blast misery at you constantly and locking people away is just not what you do.

Sweden seems to be taking this approach too. Schools below a certain age are still open (not sure what it corresponds to here but juniors and day are still open) and no lockdown. But, unlike Korea and Japan they aren’t testing or isolating. I suspect Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö are going to get hammered while rural places will fare better.
Healthcare in Lombardy isn’t third world. Other bits of Italy aren’t great but Milan for sure is good. I think their death rates are compounding because of system collapse, on top of high smoking rates, high pollution, and an aged population that often lives in multigenerational households. And all the kissy kissy extrovert culture and the fact they ignored it for too long. Things are pretty dire there now.

 

[AmpleApricots]

It's really not a good idea to put italy in the same basket of the more northern european countries regarding anything, especially things like healthcare. It's an incredibly badly ran and also corrupt country.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So. On the american outbreaks. The charts are extremely disheartening... for SOME states anyway. Megacities are a fucking nightmare during pandemics, just look at Madrid. They're always affected the most. But even compared to Italy, the rise of nCoV on American megacities is unprecedented, and America not only has the most megacities, it has the largest too. And population density is an extremely important factor for pandemics. Just look at maps of infected and pop density on spain, they're practically identical.

I think another kiwi pointed out the rise. In case you haven't noticed the best we can do at this point is slow down spread, and that's after quarantining EVERYONE. This is the norm for pandemics. Once it gets going best you can hope for is flatening the curb, there is no win. So if you allow the exponential growth to get going... it's just gonna hurt.

Growth in NYC and other american megacities has been exponential to a fault, it practically delineates the bell curve. And guvernmental response has been slow and lacking. Please don't take this to be a diss against Trump or the Dems or whatever. I don't care who is to blame right now that is not the point is to explain what is going on. Spread wasn't controled until way too late and it has been controled way too little, the growth curve has been significantly worse than in Italy. That's just a fact.

Don't get this to mean america as a whole will get fucked. Again, look at spain, while madrid burns the south is fine outside of guvernmental stupidity. Same with Italy, same everywhere. Rural areas with sufficient healthcare will stand. The rust belt is likely to be even economically benefited by business migration. But... if any of you lives in a megacity. Do beware, and consider going to second homes before it explodes if possible. Shit's gonna get rough and with all megacities under Dem control having been less than cooperative with federal Reps... Shit looks real ugly.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Markets open in a little over half an hour. We ready to see stock brokers jump from buildings?

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Frankly, I think both sides have a point.

The Republicans are right in that there needs to be relief now, and the Democrats are right in that there needs to be relief for everyone, and even more relief given.

I don't agree with the Democrats blocking the bill, but I do see where they're coming from. They really just should've passed the bill, and then have come up with their own to help things down the line.

I think one possible problem the Dems are seeing is that if they pass this fucked up bill, the Republicans will wash their hands of the issue. Then when the expanded and fixed bill gets introduced, fuck heads like Graham will just say "we already did a bill to help. We don't need another one."

 

[Goronnn]

Don't get this to mean america as a whole will get fucked. Again, look at spain, while madrid burns the south is fine outside of guvernmental stupidity. Same with Italy, same everywhere. Rural areas with sufficient healthcare will stand. The rust belt is likely to be even economically benefited by business migration. But... if any of you lives in a megacity. Do beware, and consider going to second homes before it explodes if possible. Shit's gonna get rough and with all megacities under Dem control having been less than cooperative with federal Reps... Shit looks real ugly.

I think you are picturing the rust belt as largely unpopulated or something, it isn't. They are some of the most populated states in America, with dense populations.

Most populated states:

1. California (Population: 39,747,267)
2. Texas (Population: 29,087,070)
3. Florida (Population: 21,646,155)
4. New York (Population: 19,491,339)
5. Pennsylvania (Population: 12,813,969)
6. Illinois (Population: 12,700,381)
7. Ohio (Population: 11,718,56
8. Georgia (Population: 10,627,767)
9. North Carolina (Population: 10,497,741)
10. Michigan (Population: 10,020,472)

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I think you are picturing the rust belt as largely unpopulated or something, it isn't. They are some of the most populated states in America, with dense populations.

Most populated states:

1. California (Population: 39,747,267)
2. Texas (Population: 29,087,070)
3. Florida (Population: 21,646,155)
4. New York (Population: 19,491,339)
5. Pennsylvania (Population: 12,813,969)
6. Illinois (Population: 12,700,381)
7. Ohio (Population: 11,718,56
8. Georgia (Population: 10,627,767)
9. North Carolina (Population: 10,497,741)
10. Michigan (Population: 10,020,472)

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They aren't unpopulated I know that. Thing is, their population density is on par with, say, seville or barcelona. Low enough to not be megacities, high enough to be atractive to businesses, hence they're likely to be where industry flees when the megacities go to shit.

 

[Stoneheart]

He believes that Italy is a bad case, because testing is low so infection:death ratio is off + they have a poor health system. I've asked some Italian family friends who live here what their take on why Italy has been so badly effected and they express that it's due to the region that it's hit the hardest having woeful healthcare. Like most people there can't access good healthcare so they're in poor health anyway.

You sure you talked to people in the right region of Italy? the 2nd richest region has the most cases, they have the best healthcare in Italy and are on par with the swiss and austrians in most regards. the high cases numbers are mostly in the rich regions.