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Sometimes I'm like Dave is such an overrated hack! Why is he given a pass for all his dumb shit?
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Could someone better-acquainted with Filoni Wars than I give me a rundown of how Anakin's character develops (or doesn't) over the course of that series in comparison with ROTS and the Clone Wars multimedia project?
He develops over the course of the series but it's fairly subtle. His look changes little by little getting him closer to the Anakin we see in Ep. III and I feel like they made his model a little bigger and more imposing over the course of the seasons as well. If you watch the fight he has with Clovis (a rival suitor to Padme who doesn't know they're married of course) he looks pretty physically imposing. Character-wise he's much more inclined to light humour and banter in the first couple of seasons and reckless gestures like when he gives his lightsabre to Padme as a sign of his trust in her. Which is the dumbest thing he could do but completely in character with the Anakin of the earlier episodes. Later Anakin has stopped doing things like that. By the final seasons he's still making snarky remarks but they've gone from more playful wisecracks to sardonic chiding. What really begins to show is the contrast between him and the other Jedi. His men love him because he's one of them. He cares about them in a way the other detatched Jedi don't and hangs out with them. Superficially he doesn't change that much but you get more and more dark moments where the inner turmoil begins to be less and less well-hidden.
There are plenty of character moments in TCW that add to the relationship Anakin has with both Obi-Wan and the Jedi Order. You have to read between the lines but it's obvious Obi-Wan has worked out that Anakin and Padme have fooled around. But that Obi-Wan thinks it's a fling like he himself has enjoyed sometimes. When he starts to suspect that Anakin might have deeper feelings for her he warns him off. Obi-Wan is blinded by his belief that Anakin is "the Chosen One" and thinks that he'll make the right decision - i.e. remember his training. So he never really looks too closely. And in turn, you can see that Anakin really wants to tell Obi-Wan but can't. His relationship with the Order is no less complex. You'd think that he and Yoda would be at odds given Yoda's initial reluctance to allow him to be trained and their respective destinies, but it's Anakin that Yoda chooses to help him escape the Jedi temple when the other master's think he's losing his mind because like him, Anakin is a rule-breaker and sets his instincts above other's judgement.
Here are a few of my favourite character moments from TCW.
Rebels was pretty bad on the whole but I did like that moment where she kicked the crap out of the two inquisitors. It was exactly what an actual real Jedi (as opposed to Kainen and Ezra) should be like faced with cheap knock-offs with crappy gadget lightsabres to make up for lack of real training. Stopping mid-fight and turning off her lightsaber because she didn't need it was a sweet little touch.
But sadly, you're spot on - she should have had her end in that temple if she had to come back in Rebels at all. Personally I'd have liked her to live by just walking away from the Sith-Jedi war. As I said before - that would have been a personal victory. But we lost that. Personally, having Anakin kill her kind of put Vader beyond redemption for me. So he turns on the emperor for the sake of his son / Padme's child. I get it... But killing Ahsoka after all their time together in the Clone Wars was just horrifying.
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He killed countless jedi and younglings too to be honest, also the fall to the Dark Side is essentially a destruction of the old self and the birth of a new entity, one that is wholly subservient to darkness that suppresses your light half. So past means nothing to a Sith, as was the case when he tried to kill Kenobi and choked Padme, and as I said before, tragedy is sort of the point of war and it would undoubtedly be something that would cause what little good remained with Anakin untold turmoil.
But even so, Anakin wouldn't need to kill Ahsoka at all, thus avoiding further corruption for Anakin (even though it doesn't matter how much time they spent in the Clone Wars). Her death could've been caused by Dooku, Grievous, anyone really, but it would serve as something that would make Anakin's fall more believable. It would cement him with a tremendous hate and distrust for the jedi and the Republic rather than what motivated solely by ego due to them "not respecting him". Seeing her die would serve as the perfect catalyst to make him even more overprotective of Padme and even more desperate and paranoid. He could even blame Kenobi for her death, since unlike his mother, you could have Kenobi right in the middle of the situation, make Anakin resent him for it and thus make their duel more meaningful. Having Ahsoka walk away just for the sake of living doesn't add anything to her character or story as I've said in my previous post where I state the following:
Sad part is that she was probably the only consistently well-handled element in Aladdin's Rebels before her forced revival.
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You know tbh I kinda think Filoni wrote himself into a corner by introducing Thrawn back into canon in the first place. They had to find some way to get him out of the picture the moment he repaired and I doubt they could of gotten away with Rukh assassination him again since they would of had to convincingly jam the Noghiri subplot from the original 3 books into 1 season that already has a lot of subplots already and I don't think they could of used the original EU reason of Palpatine sending him to the unknown region since that would just mean letting others explain what he was doing in the ST or aftermath.
And imagining how horrifying it would of been if someone like Wendig got his grubby hands on Thrawn, is the one time I'm grateful that Filoni can be a greedy son of a bitch sometimes with characters he likes.
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Ironically both Data and C-3PO have more emotion and character than these two people.
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It's a lose-lose situation isn't it?
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My buddy likes to point out that there's a bit of a plot hole between the prequels and originals - made worse with all the expanded material (both original multimedia and CGI) - Owen & Beru.
Of course a lot of that is due to the films themselves since somehow Vader never thought to go check the house he knew his stepsiblings were staying for Obi-Wan.
His fix fic is that rather than Asoka, Beru should have been in her place and as a literal lost little sister (Beru Skywalker). Then rather than Rex, Owen should have been a regular soldier and war buddy of Anakin. In both the movies and the shows, this would give someone his own age to bounce off of and given the audience a viewpoint of how everyone else in the galaxy viewed the war outside of the Jedi, politicians, and clones. Eventually he would marry Beru and give Anakin more to lose in the war than just a wife and child. Through their friendship, we could watch Owen's horror at Anakin falling from the friend he used to know before he goes fleeing to Tatooine for refuge.
Then at least we could smile in the episodes when Obi-Wan shows up and drags Anakin and Owen off on a new mission for the war. Because then we would understand the line "He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damned-fool idealistic crusade like your father did."
He should have sent Thrawn off into the unknown regions and then the sequel trilogy should have replaced Hux with him. (I mean you can still keep Domhnall Gleeson as the actor - paint him blue and I think he'd make a dang fine Thrawn.)
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I always thought that Beru should always have been Anakin's actual sister, with an actual bitter relationship between Anakin and what he saw as her less than worthy husband Owen.
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At least hollywood admitted Cats was a mistake.
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Only because it tanked at the box office, if it made its money back or worse megabucks. Hollywood would have been flooding the theaters with more movies with that kind of CGI.
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Or they could of just lifted the Thrawn trilogy wholesale and not do what they did with the ST.
Besides it was kinda to late to introduce him into the ST since TFA came out in 2015 and Thrawn wasn't re canonized until the 3rd season of rebels in 2016. If they really wanted to add him it would of been in TLJ but then there you would of risked the probably of Johnson using him as another form to subvert our expectations.
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CGI which supposedly included giving all the cat people butt holes before being edited out. Imagine the world where Cats was a success and its "art style" became the norm...
Also the Tusken Raider language/alphabet is some kind of warped version of Arabic and Muslim calligraphy in Disney canon.
I don't get it. Disney's Woke Brigade is willing to decry the Vong as "Islamaphobic" but Disney making savage sand assholes literal space muslims isn't? Then again, they have been trying to make them dindus and troons in some novels...
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That’s gotta be some good things about the Disney trilogy guys like, right?
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Fair amount of decent rule34 and SFW fan art is online but actual Disney SW İ drawing a blank here.
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It made us reappraise George and come to appreciate what he was trying to do after we spent the better part of a decade shitting on him
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Question not the klan member in denial, for their logic is stupid and dumb. Especially when they borrow more from the Aztecs than anything else if you have to reference a culture.
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kind of reminiscent of when some people called the Covenant from Halo islamophobic (despite the covenant being more of a hybrid between the Catholic Church and Islam but with aliens). NJO and Halo aren't anti Islam but anti extreme religious fundamentalism to the point of (literal) xenophobia.
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The claims typically go like this: a zealous religious society that believes in essentially cutting a bloody swath against the part of the world that doesn't cow-tow to their religious beliefs, all while committing acts of pseudo-terrorism like dropping moons on planets like Serpindal or bombing planets like Ithor into oblivion. It's worth nothing that the timing of the NJO story arc only made these comparisons all the more rampant. as they were coming out just pre and post 9/11.
Now, the thing that the cum-swilling soy brigade doesn't realize when they make these comparisons is that they're inadvertently making statements about Islam as a whole that the writers don't even vaguely hint at, which says more about them than the writers' intentions. Further, if there's any Islamic group that the Vong resemble, it wouldn't be the modern cabal of splinter terrorist factions---the Vong are not some small, ragtag threat: they're an entire legion, an empire waging a mass crusade in numbers that all but blanket the known galaxy. If anything, they have a stronger resemblance to the Ottoman Turks....sweeping into Europe, deflouring sacred capitals like Constantinople (or Coruscant, in this case), defiling holy sites and libraries to deal a blow to morale (which the Vong also do with the libraries of Obroa-Skai), and imprisoning and enslaving heretic civilians before indoctrinating them into their religion by force (the Enslaved Invasion Force on planets like Dantooine being similar to the Janissary Corps). The Vong's efforts have more in common with historical Islamic military efforts like the Ottoman Invasion, and even the Crusades, considering their behavior. But the biggest thing that Disney Drones completely omit in their assessment of the Vong is that for all the comparisons one could make between them and any Islamic movement, the fact of the matter is that the authors have explicitly stated that the Vong do in fact have a real-world cultural basis of inspiration...and that is Mesoamerican Tribal Culture, not Islam. In the Round Robin Table Interview that was included with the Unifying Force Bonus CD-Rom (which yes, I own), the authors state outright that sacrifical war-obsessed cultures like the Aztecs informed how the Yuuzhan Vong behaved, looked, and spoke. Their self-flaggelation, obsession with pain as some kind of celestial connection to the gods, their deities, their hierachies, and their sacrificial nature are all traced back to tribes like the Aztecs...who, yes, did the exact kind of depraved shit that the Vong do in the name of religious piety, to both themselves and innocent people within their culture. But of course, this kind of thing completely eludes the Disney Defense Force, because they're too busy touching themselves to hardcore BDSM erotica of Rey and Kylo to do anything even remotely resembling research.