Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Detrogen]

Oh Donny.... Sweet, dumb, Donny...

I really hope he goes forward with his stream idea, I would love too see just how many people he can scrape from the bottom of his boot to listen to him and his "she/her" Dark Queen.

That hurt to type... Remember when Goths didn't give a fuck what you thought about them? When they were sorta edgy losers... Now they cry if you misgender them. Pussies.


EDIT: Devil's AdvoCates Cult channel. A whopping 37 subscribers, and their first show will be Saturday.

I recall listening to Donny Cates on some podcast and outside of writing comics he is dull as dirt. He might do better than Gail Simone on popularity alone, but he will definitely not be successful.

 

[CheezzyMach]

If there's one good thing about the Kung Flu Bat Bitch cratering the Direct Market it's that I won't have to listen to spineless simps like Cates desperately white knight for mental cases so he can be one of the cool kids.

Twitter is the worst thing man has invented, I miss when social maladjusts were told to shut up.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I recall listening to Donny Cates on some podcast and outside of writing comics he is dull as dirt. He might do better than Gail Simone on popularity alone, but he will definitely not be successful.

Not surprising. Outside the constant butthurt, his twitter feed is also dull as dirt. The dude has the personality of wet cardboard. He's the personification of internet corporatism, the bastard son of Wil Wheaton and Billie Joe Armstrong. Always brimming with impotent anger, raging at those who laugh at him for being a milquetoast wannabe punk. I think he might drop over dead if he ever expressed an opinion that wasn't first approved by the Twitter hivemind.

If we were in high school together, I would've given this dweeb so many fucking swirlies.

 

[instythot]

Assuming AT&T and Disney don't just pull the plug on their publishing arms to save money as Corona-Chan keeps raping them then yeah the Big 2 are the only ones who will survive the Direct Market collapsing. Boom,Dynamite,Dark Horse,IDW and Image are fucked though.

And LOL at "Digital is the future" last I checked only around 10% of comic sales are digital. These SJWs are delusional.

And yet manga, a reasonably comparable product, has pushing 60% sales digital.

The problem isn't with the format it's delivered in, the problem is with the product. In the manga world, you can find epic fantasy, slice of life, teen sports team dramas, anthropomorphized human cells, an entire subgenre or getting killed and waking up in a magical world, etc. and the marketing is sliced up into young boys/girls, teen boys/girls, young adult... etc. with the intent of graduating customers into the next bracket. Comics offers heroes in capes for a single demographic considered as a whole

 

[jspit]

Assuming AT&T and Disney don't just pull the plug on their publishing arms to save money as Corona-Chan keeps raping them then yeah the Big 2 are the only ones who will survive the Direct Market collapsing. Boom,Dynamite,Dark Horse,IDW and Image are fucked though.

And LOL at "Digital is the future" last I checked only around 10% of comic sales are digital. These SJWs are delusional.

They deserve to die, DC had a good run. But Warner can't shutter the comic division fast enough.

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I noped out on Wonder Woman because Steve Orlando is a cuck. After what he did with Supergirl I saw this coming.

 

[CheezzyMach]

And yet manga, a reasonably comparable product, has pushing 60% sales digital.

The problem isn't with the format it's delivered in, the problem is with the product. In the manga world, you can find epic fantasy, slice of life, teen sports team dramas, anthropomorphized human cells, an entire subgenre or getting killed and waking up in a magical world, etc. and the marketing is sliced up into young boys/girls, teen boys/girls, young adult... etc. with the intent of graduating customers into the next bracket. Comics offers heroes in capes for a single demographic considered as a whole

Manga is also far cheaper then Western comics. For 2.99 You get a subscription to weekly Shounen Jump meanwhile a single comic book costs 4 dollars.

Comics outside the big 2 also has a wide selection of genres that isn't the problem.

The problems are quality and price.

They deserve to die, DC had a good run. But Warner can't shutter the comic division fast enough.

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I noped out on Wonder Woman because Steve Orlando is a cuck. After what he did with Supergirl I saw this coming.

So they made Maxima gay again huh?

The Lesbian fetishism is kinda creepy though.

 

[instythot]

Manga is also far cheaper then Western comics. For 2.99 You get a subscription to weekly Shounen Jump meanwhile a single comic book costs 4 dollars.

Comics outside the big 2 also has a wide selection of genres that isn't the problem.

The problems are quality and price.

Yeah, but who knows about anything outside of the big 2 unless they're already deep into comics?

Maybe the smaller publishers are going to merge or get bought out by Jump since Japan isn't really shut down through all of this. It would get them in front of some eyes at the very least

 

[CheezzyMach]

Yeah, but who knows about anything outside of the big 2 unless they're already deep into comics?

Maybe the smaller publishers are going to merge or get bought out by Jump since Japan isn't really shut down through all of this. It would get them in front of some eyes at the very least

That's really no different then Shounen trash making up the majority of manga though. Most normie knowledge of manga is stuff like Dragonball and One Piece.

The Western comics industry's problem isn't capeshit being the largest genre in the medium it's the limited reach,shit pricing and quality that's plagued it for the last two decades since they decided to use the direct market as a crutch rather then fix the issues that caused the comics crash in the mid 90s that led to comics disappearing from big retail resulting in them becoming super niche.

Now Corona Chan might kill the direct market leaving only the big 2 standing unless AT&T and Disney decide to shutter them.

 

[instythot]

That's really no different then Shounen trash making up the majority of manga though. Most normie knowledge of manga is stuff like Dragonball and One Piece.

The Western comics industry's problem isn't capeshit being the largest genre in the medium it's the limited reach,shit pricing and quality that's plagued it for the last two decades since they decided to use the direct market as a crutch rather then fix the issues that caused the comics crash in the mid 90s that led to comics disappearing from big retail resulting in them becoming super niche.

Now Corona Chan might kill the direct market leaving only the big 2 standing unless AT&T and Disney decide to shutter them.

There's a lot that's probably right in there. However, the normie thing is North American normie. There's a huge potential audience of people who already regularly read illustrated, serialized fiction. The industry is dying by all accounts, so why not reverse the usual direction of the localization process and see if any of the eastern audience bites? You certainly cut out a lot of printing and distribution costs if that works

 

[KingofNothing]

The Brand campaign is officially over, time to see how Antonio did for his second book

Big oofs. This a far cry from what they got on the first campaign. A drop of 83% in funding and 90% of their backers(granted that was over a year). If we want be generous with the time frame, it was roughly 71% and 83% respectively, so still not good. This is why you don't launch your sequel before people even get their hands on the first book. I also want to hear more about he was considering giving out the first book for free, digitally when people still don't have the damn thing. That's pure exceptionalism.

There's a lot that's probably right in there. However, the normie thing is North American normie. There's a huge potential audience of people who already regularly read illustrated, serialized fiction. The industry is dying by all accounts, so why not reverse the usual direction of the localization process and see if any of the eastern audience bites? You certainly cut out a lot of printing and distribution costs if that works

I keep banging on this, but they need to stop shackling themselves to small comic shops and expand out to where the people are. Dog Man has sold like 26 million copies since it started in 2016, people who want to read comics are out there, they just aren't hitting the LCS'. They could try something similar to Shonen Jump and put out books that give a nice sampling of their library to the Barnes and Nobles of the world, but I'm not sure how viable that is for American comics. They also need to find a way to capitalize off all their movies and tv shows. Almost none of the fans of those will ever touch a comic, but I'd be hard pressed to find someone who watched an One Piece movie or the anime, but never read the manga. As for hitting the Eastern audience, they could test the waters with heroes like Spider-man or Supergirl, who I hear is surprisingly popular in Japan and then slowing add other characters and see what sticks. Although with the MCU being a huge success, Marvel could probably push this idea much faster than the others.

Also they need better artists, Japan wasn't happy when this was the cover


but they got this bullshit on the inside

 

[instythot]

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Big oofs. This a far cry from what they got on the first campaign. A drop of 83% in funding and 90% of their backers(granted that was over a year). If we want be generous with the time frame, it was roughly 71% and 83% respectively, so still not good. This is why you don't launch your sequel before people even get their hands on the first book. I also want to hear more about he was considering giving out the first book for free, digitally when people still don't have the damn thing. That's pure exceptionalism.

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I keep banging on this, but they need to stop shackling themselves to small comic shops and expand out to where the people are. Dog Man has sold like 26 million copies since it started in 2016, people who want to read comics are out there, they just aren't hitting the LCS'. They could try something similar to Shonen Jump and put out books that give a nice sampling of their library to the Barnes and Nobles of the world, but I'm not sure how viable that is for American comics. They also need to find a way to capitalize off all their movies and tv shows. Almost none of the fans of those will ever touch a comic, but I'd be hard pressed to find someone who watched an One Piece movie or the anime, but never read the manga. As for hitting the Eastern audience, they could test the waters with heroes like Spider-man or Supergirl, who I hear is surprisingly popular in Japan and then slowing add other characters and see what sticks. Although with the MCU being a huge success, Marvel could probably push this idea much faster than the others.

Also they need better artists, Japan wasn't happy when this was the cover
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but they got this bullshit on the inside
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Building the western market to where it is in the east is a decades long project of getting kids in with kids comics, graduating them to comics specifically aimed at teens, then young adults, then adults, etc.

But to break into an eastern market with already voracious consumers might not be such a monumental task. Literally any of the existing companies have nothing to lose but however long it takes to get an established Japanese company to take a chance on them and few hundred dollars to translate a book if the rates for anime are any indication. Even if you're not making how much you're used to on a book, the door is open for licensing and merchandise if a success happens

 

[CheezzyMach]

I'd be perfectly happy if Marvel and DC started outsourcing the art to the Asians.

I'd rather have generic weeb art then Tumbler shit.

 

[New Fag]

And LOL at "Digital is the future" last I checked only around 10% of comic sales are digital. These SJWs are delusional.

Yep it's been stuck at roughly $100 million forever. Just wait till this years figures come out and they ignore the WuFlu damage by saying "look how digital has increased market share of sales CoMiCs AreN'T DyInG!!1!"

2010 $8m
2011 $25m
2012 $70m
2013 $90m
2014 $100m
2015 $89.4m
2016 $90m
2017 $90m
2018 $100m
2019 $104m

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Comic books buck trend as print and digital sales flourish

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Digital Comic sales increased by 4% in 2019

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Comichron: Industry-wide Comics and Graphic Novel Sales for 2017

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Comichron: Industry-wide Comics and Graphic Novel Sales for 2018

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[KingofNothing]

Building the western market to where it is in the east is a decades long project of getting kids in with kids comics, graduating them to comics specifically aimed at teens, then young adults, then adults, etc.

But to break into an eastern market with already voracious consumers might not be such a monumental task. Literally any of the existing companies have nothing to lose but however long it takes to get an established Japanese company to take a chance on them and few hundred dollars to translate a book if the rates for anime are any indication. Even if you're not making how much you're used to on a book, the door is open for licensing and merchandise if a success happens

This actually reminded me that the manga Spider-man Fake Red exists and is fresh from last year, so you're not wrong. It is completely possible for these guys to just farm out IP's the to the east, they just aren't doing this as much as they could for whatever reason.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Its a shame that brand 2 is kinda a flop, he will probably variant cover the fuck out of it and he needs to fulfil both books accordingly if he thinks he could make profit off of brand 2 or even attempt making brand 3.

 

[Adamska]

If anyone here wanted to back Mitch but didn't due to his RR incompetence, I'd still recommend picking up the Futurists at Walmart

No. Fuck no. Never.

Mitch can't fucking commit to doing something I payed for? Then I don't give a shit even if he made a masterpiece with something else. If I won't ever give Rian Johnson a second chance despite his own credits, then Mitch sure as shit isn't getting one.

He's dead to me.

And yet manga, a reasonably comparable product, has pushing 60% sales digital.

The problem isn't with the format it's delivered in, the problem is with the product. In the manga world, you can find epic fantasy, slice of life, teen sports team dramas, anthropomorphized human cells, an entire subgenre or getting killed and waking up in a magical world, etc. and the marketing is sliced up into young boys/girls, teen boys/girls, young adult... etc. with the intent of graduating customers into the next bracket. Comics offers heroes in capes for a single demographic considered as a whole

They don't even offer capes anymore really; it's just whining propoganda more often than not, with things like Immortal Hulk being rare gems that then get ruined by spiteful trust fund kids or manchildren parasites who survive off of others to "work" in comics.

And yeah, that variety and the fact you can get entire volumes in one better kept together batch makes manga very appealing. I always did prefer tradebooks over floppies tbh.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

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I'm reporting you for this.


But in all seriousness, it's a shame Brand 2 didn't do well, but he really did goof the fuck up out of his campaign. He wasn't on as many big streams as he used to be, and again, no one has the first issue... I don't know what Antonio was thinking. Because as far as I can tell, the books are ready, just needing to be shipped, so it's not like Cridious where there is no fucking book... Or Mitch where he's doing all these moves and deals before his first campaign gets fulfilled. Canaan White's art is really great, especially compared to the bozos we have at the big 2 now... Brand 2, assuming the story is actually compelling, could have been a hit, but instead, it's barely a success (and I only mean success in that he at least got just over 10k funding). It's not a success in the grand scheme of things, and it probably could have.

 

[verissimus]

Someone might have already posted this before, but just in case :

N.A.P Misfit (Liberty and Comics) on Twitter

“Yeah, Doug is the one that's filled with hate for gays. Not religious beliefs, but hate. Okay. Go shit your shower, you hateful overgrown infant @EthanVanSciver. https://t.co/J3KGLrCCla”

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I'm sure this will be filed under locker room talk or something.

...guess EVS isn't the only one with a mouth. Freaking hell, Doug

Doug TenNapel on Twitter

“Going to the Dr. for melanoma on my face. If it reaches my lymph nodes (tests coming) I'll have a 65% chance of survival... and while LGBTQ activists like Comicsgate/Tess Fowler try to destroy my comic business, my family has instructions to publish my work forever. So fuck you.”

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Edit : Goddang Doug is a boss. Who knew.

Doug TenNapel on Twitter

“No, but I do think it's time to concern troll. https://t.co/L8aC1miHwf”

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Edit 2 : Well that escalated

Earthworm Jim Creator Doug TenNapel Fires Back At Tess Fowler and Comicsgate "F*** You" - Bounding Into Comics

Earthworm Jim creator Doug TenNapel recently fired back at Dungeons & Dragons artist Tess Fowler as well as Comicsgate saying, "F*** you."

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[Detrogen]

Someone might have already posted this before, but just in case :

N.A.P Misfit (Liberty and Comics) on Twitter

“Yeah, Doug is the one that's filled with hate for gays. Not religious beliefs, but hate. Okay. Go shit your shower, you hateful overgrown infant @EthanVanSciver. https://t.co/J3KGLrCCla”

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I'm sure this will be filed under locker room talk or something.

...guess EVS isn't the only one with a mouth. Freaking hell, Doug

Doug TenNapel on Twitter

“Going to the Dr. for melanoma on my face. If it reaches my lymph nodes (tests coming) I'll have a 65% chance of survival... and while LGBTQ activists like Comicsgate/Tess Fowler try to destroy my comic business, my family has instructions to publish my work forever. So fuck you.”

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Don’t worry. Of course some sped tagged EVS in the comments and now he’s in there causing a stir. Also, I remember seeing those EVS DMs a while back. They’re pretty old at this point but people pretty eagerly forgot them.

Attachments for EVS’ tweet aren’t working so here’s the archive.

ComicArtistPro Secrets on Twitter: "Filled with hatred for gays, even…

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[instythot]

Don’t worry. Of course some sped tagged EVS in the comments and now he’s in there causing a stir. Also, I remember seeing those EVS DMs a while back. They’re pretty old at this point but people pretty eagerly forgot them.

Attachments for EVS’ tweet aren’t working so here’s the archive.

ComicArtistPro Secrets on Twitter: "Filled with hatred for gays, even…

archived 26 Mar 2020 20:08:53 UTC

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I remember Ethan complaining about other people being overly concerned about a statement of his that could be taken hatefully if viewed from the exact right point of view like it was yesterday. Oh wait, that did happen yesterday