Yes Pottergate does accept NHS referrals, but it is a long LONG waiting list and it is not guaranteed that the CCG's will agree to fund the assessments, because like with most things on the NHS, they are extremely underfunded and the CCG's will often only fund the private treatment of the most severe urgent cases.
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Yes Pottergate does accept NHS referrals, but it is a long LONG waiting list and it is not guaranteed that the CCG's will agree to fund the assessments, because like with most things on the NHS, they are extremely underfunded and the CCG's will often only fund the private treatment of the most severe urgent cases.
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Some updates today.
Chloe is struggling with Nan's WuFlu self-diagnosis.
Nan posted a new video. Despite her WuFlu she brought out a perfectly healthy Riven to record this video presumably because cats can't get the Wu. This video is a real fucking soap opera.
Lacy, who integrated from Ace (the slave alter who was kidnapped and held hostage in an imaginary basement in Nan's head) and Leslie (the lesbian lover of Nadia, Chloe's Native American alter) has become dormant. In the video description, Nan claims that this is like being in a coma. Condolences to Nadia.
Lacy integrated against her will last year and has been struggling with that. This is controversial in itself as many within the DID community, including Jess from Multiplicity and Me, claim that integration cannot happen against your will.
In February this year, Lacy split into Wendy and another version of Lacy before promptly going dormant. Before she went dormant, Nan let her front. Chloe let Nadia front. They had an emotional goodbye as described by Nadia herself at 04:11. Interestingly, Chloe says that when Lacy 'went to sleep' there was no one in Nan's body for a while. How is that possible?
Back to Nan, and she says that when Lacy split there was an earthquake in the inner world. Lacy is now trapped in an attic that no one can access. This is the same alter who was held hostage in a basement in the inner world albeit with a new name.
Wendy, the new alter, is a magically animated mechanical doll who has no emotions. She wears a blue cloak. She is not human. I cannot fucking believe these people have the balls to lie like this. Remarkable.
This sums it up perfectly. I don't feel that anyone should have to justify why they laugh at a cow in the first place, but particularly in this case the damage done by Chloe and Nan is clear to see.
Chloe is struggling with Nan's WuFlu self-diagnosis.
Lacy, who integrated from Ace (the slave alter who was kidnapped and held hostage in an imaginary basement in Nan's head) and Leslie (the lesbian lover of Nadia, Chloe's Native American alter) has become dormant. In the video description, Nan claims that this is like being in a coma. Condolences to Nadia.
Lacy integrated against her will last year and has been struggling with that. This is controversial in itself as many within the DID community, including Jess from Multiplicity and Me, claim that integration cannot happen against your will.
In February this year, Lacy split into Wendy and another version of Lacy before promptly going dormant. Before she went dormant, Nan let her front. Chloe let Nadia front. They had an emotional goodbye as described by Nadia herself at 04:11. Interestingly, Chloe says that when Lacy 'went to sleep' there was no one in Nan's body for a while. How is that possible?
Back to Nan, and she says that when Lacy split there was an earthquake in the inner world. Lacy is now trapped in an attic that no one can access. This is the same alter who was held hostage in a basement in the inner world albeit with a new name.
Wendy, the new alter, is a magically animated mechanical doll who has no emotions. She wears a blue cloak. She is not human. I cannot fucking believe these people have the balls to lie like this. Remarkable.
This sums it up perfectly. I don't feel that anyone should have to justify why they laugh at a cow in the first place, but particularly in this case the damage done by Chloe and Nan is clear to see.
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I'm late posting this, but in article 1 (written in 2013), Remy of Pottergate says the following:
"The most separate personalities I have seen in one person is 12, so Dawn's case is extreme. She is in desperate need of regular and sustained psychotherapy at least once a week. "
Doesn't Chloe have 23+ alters?
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Sounds like Scientology's "free personality test." You take it for shits and giggles, they tell you you're the most flawed person who ever lived, and the only way you can fix it is ponying up $1,000,000 for body thetan removal or they'll send you junk mail forever.
Except this time you want the body thetans.
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WOW.
This is the second girlfriend that's up and died on Nadia. Can't believe she committed suicide via locking herself in an attic. RIP Lacy. Welcome, magical animatronic Wendy. I look forward to seeing Nan's new Bloodborne OC on camera.
Man, this is mental health education at it's finest. And what a healthy and totally not codependent relationship Chloe and Nan have. Such a good ship.
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Self-funding through the NHS is different to paying for private treatment. While you’re right in the sense that self-funding bumps you up the same list as the NHS, private treatment will get you seen straight away but leaves you entirely outside the NHS system.
I would imagine Chloe went properly private. There’s no way she got diagnosed so quickly having anything to do with the NHS. It’s also why she has a chip on her shoulder about being ‘professionally diagnosed’ and never talks about therapy, because she’s not getting any.
Also, proximity to specialist centres in London doesn’t mean anything if they’re national. The wait list will be long. Wealth doesn’t necessarily reflect on things fully either.
I live under the same trust as the national unit for my condition but couldn’t get a look in whether I self-funded or not. I moved borough, to a more deprived area under a different CCG in the same trust and got referred to the unit straight away.
I live in the hope that this might actually be the point where they’ve gone too far.
I also love when Nan or any of her characters go into teacher mode and start talking authoritatively about mechanisms they’ve made up. They all have the same level of insight.
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Thank you! I completely agree! One Google shows this guy isn't qualified to profide a diagnosis!!Not sure I've seen anyone comment on this who is actually from the UK. To clear up once and for all, in the UK specifically, a psychologist cannot diagnose - only a psychiatrist. A psychologist is not a medical doctor.
If you're bored, there are various NHS pages you can read through about UK mental health services:
Differences between psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy
Below is a brief description of each of the different areas.www.healthcareers.nhs.uk
Mental health assessments
Wherever you go for help, you'll get a detailed assessment. The purpose of an assessment is to build up an accurate picture of your needs.www.nhs.uk
Despite these being NHS pages, and Chloe having paid privately for her bollocks 'diagnosis', the laws are the same whether NHS or private. If she claims to have been seen and 'diagnosed' solely by Remy and not the psychiatrist he keeps on staff, then she's talking shit. She's probably so intent on touting his name because he clearly has a public presence on the subject so she thinks it gives her more credibility to say he diagnosed her, even though he himself cannot actually do so. She was probably banking on the fact that her teenage fans won't go so far as to establish this for themselves, which is sadly true.
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The sad news was brought to us by an age-sliding were-cat. Judging by all the mourners in the comments, I think this is just another day in the bizarre soap opera that is their lives.
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That whole video was surreal to the point of parody.
"Hey guys, It's me Riven the were-cat. Bad news. There was an earthquake and Lacy locked herself in the attic of our inner world. She's dead. Here's a word from her bereaved ex,
"SHE KILLED HERSELF! I THOUGHT SHE WAS JUST GOING TO SLEEP! I THOUGHT SHE WAS JUST GOING TO SLEEP!"
"So, anyway, now we've got Wendy the magic doll instead. Let's have a moment of silence for Lacy... All right! Don't forget to like, subscribe, and ring that bell!"
*cue outro music with an ad for their overpriced con in the background.*
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Yeah, If she was seen quickly it was almost certainly done 100% private. I was given an estimated wait time of I think it was 8 months +? to get funding/refferal for Pottergate via NHS.
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The other well known influencer who talks about Pottergate is Jess who has four alters so I wonder how many alters Remy tends to work with? If he felt that 12 was extreme how is he feeling about 20+? I know in 2018 when Chloe started her channel she claimed to only have 17 which is still a lot. They've been multiplying with Nan's influence.
Nadia must be utterly unbearable if her girlfriends keep hitting self destruct on her.
Highly optimistic I'm afraid. This is the same audience who supported Nan through the trauma of having an evil alter run rampant through her inner world kidnapping and enslaving people in imaginary basements.
The difference with Nan is she stammers and slips into "I don't know, I can't explain it!" a whole lot. Her fantasy world comes out much more. Chloe maintains that creepy eye contact and talks in that calm but psycho Nurse Ratched voice. She quotes a lot of research and puts a lot of text on screen to give the illusion of being educated but it literally is the exact same shit Nan is spouting just with more confidence. Chloe's more careful not to seem like a fantasist but they're exactly the same.
So they do take NHS referrals? Interesting. Chloe insisted that there is no NHS treatment for DID. If you've been, have you met Remy? Thoughts?
His diagnoses does not hold much weight within NHS, however, the center does acknowledge that and make it known to anybody requesting assessment from the. They ask if you are seeking to receive NHS treatment after his assessment if so he does make it very clear before you agree/pay that you will need a psychiatrist to confirm his diagnosis for NHS too accept it. His diagnoses is more of a confirmation from a specialist for people suffering but also questioning and unsure, to help reassure them, so that they can feel comfortable and confident pursuing the correct diagnoses/treatment, whether that be NHS or private. And although his opinion is not official within NHS, he is a respected and well-known psychotherapist within the community, so if you wish/can afford to pay for treatment privately then a "diagnosis" from him can open a lot of doors for treatment from private specialists of dissociative disorders within the uk. He will also write letters of recommendations for people to give to their GP for treatment. He offers these letters completely free of charge after you have done the free screening tests. So the center is genuinely trying to help people, but yes his diagnoses alone is will not hold much weight officially.
Yes they do. Its just slow and not guaranteed the CCG's will accept it. And yeah i think she just has not explained it well/fully. There is no NHS guidelines for the treatment of any dissociative disorder, so the NHS themselves and their staff do not have any treatment specifically for DID or DPDR or anything. However, they do accept referrals to fund treatment and/or assessments at certain private clinics that specialize in dissociative/trauma-based disorders. I believe Pottergate and the London clinic are the only two. And yes i had an assessment with him. He seemed very genuine with me, asked a lot of questions for over 3 hours, seemed really in-depth. I am happy to answer any specific questions about it all though and i will try and be as unbiased as i can.
Right? This is extremely interesting to me. The woman in the article in which I quoted him had 22 alters, by the way. If DID is the so-called specialty of Pottergate, and the most he'd ever seen was 12 alters in one individual, then Chloe must have seemed like... I don't know, a medical anomaly or something?
Everybody with a dissociative disorder is different and that amount of alters is possible however I will say that I got the same gist from Remy when i saw him that, that amount of alters is ALOT. I cant remember the statistics exactly but vast majority of people with DID have covert DID and overt DID like you often see online is supposedly the much more uncommon type.
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I've got all of these videos archived but I can't upload anything longer than five minutes at the moment so I'll link for now. She talks about the studies in this video and the studies are from 1992, 2001, 2007. She linked a lot of things so they're under the spoiler.
Studies and sources used in this video: Reinders, Willemsen, Vos, den Boer, & Nijenhuis, (2012) Sar, Unal, and Ozturk, (2007) Reinders et al., (2003, 2006) Elzinga et al., (2007) Sar, Unal, Kiziltan, Kundakci, and Ozturk, (2001) Putnam (1997) Saxe, Vasile, Hill, Bloomingdale and van der Kolk, (1992)
Dissociative Part-Dependent Resting-State Activity in Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Controlled fMRI Perfusion Study
Background In accordance with the Theory of Structural Dissociation of the Personality (TSDP), studies of dissociative identity disorder (DID) have documented that two prototypical dissociative subsystems of the personality, the “Emotional Part” (EP) and the “Apparently Normal Part” (ANP), have...journals.plos.org
(PDF) Voluntary switching between identities in dissociative identity disorder: A functional MRI case study
PDF | Patients who suffer from dissociative identity disorder present unique scientific and clinical challenges for psychology and psychiatry. We have... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGatewww.researchgate.net
Abnormal hippocampal morphology in dissociative identity disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder correlates with childhood trauma and dissociative symptoms: Hippocampal morphology in DID and PTSD | Request PDF
Request PDF | Abnormal hippocampal morphology in dissociative identity disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder correlates with childhood trauma and dissociative symptoms: Hippocampal morphology in DID and PTSD | Smaller hippocampal volume has been reported in individuals with post-traumatic...
The first study is a literature review of neuroimaging studies on general dissociative disorders. DID itself has the smallest section of the paper, with only 2 paragraphs and no figures. They say right off the gate that neuroimaging studies of DID have inconsistent results and end the section with a study that finds no functional difference in working memory between DID patients and healthy controls. The only relevant supporting study cited found abnormal fluctuations in cerebral blood flow, around the orbitofrontal cortex which actually looks legit.
The second study was designed to test a new empirical measurement of integration for tracking the progress of DID treatment. Only 11 participants, all female, heavily relied on self-report with only a little observational inference. Quality of study aside, it has little to do with the question at hand (neurological/psychological basis of DID), and its main finding is that integration might not be linked to time in therapy.
Third study was a comparison of hippocampal volume between patients with DID, PTSD, and healthy controls. The study found decreased volume as well as abnormal anatomy of hippocampus in DID patients compared to the controls, particularly in the CA2 and CA4-DG region. The CA2 region is responsible for time processing and social memory, while the CA4-DGregion is responsible for spacial awareness and plays a role in pattern recognition. While this does show a significant difference in neuroanatomy in DID patients, the study is limited to the hippocampus, which mainly tells us about spacial awareness and some aspects of working memory. This lends credence to the idea of dissociative amnesia, but, frankly, that's not what's being called into question.
The fourth paper is a case study of a woman who claims she can voluntary and rapidly switch between alters. Ever word of that last sentence raises massive red flags on its credibility. They found activation primarily in sensory-motor areas of the brain (due to the subject scrunching her face when "switching"), as well as activation in the nucleus accumbens, which plays a role in the reward and reinforcement system. Given that they didn't report any other changes in brain function, I'd say this finding is more consistent with Munchhausen's than anything else. I wonder if other scientists laugh at these researchers behind their backs?
The last paper is the most legitimate source, and I don't see any glaring issues with it. An fMRI scan of diagnosed DID patients found significant increase in activity around the temporal gyrus, dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, and the orbitofrontal cortex, which handles auditory/language processing, sense-of-self, and context-specific responding, respectively. Pretty much exactly what you'd expect if you're assuming DID is true. I'll go over this one closer later, but it looks like I'll have to mark this one as legitimate.
The second study was designed to test a new empirical measurement of integration for tracking the progress of DID treatment. Only 11 participants, all female, heavily relied on self-report with only a little observational inference. Quality of study aside, it has little to do with the question at hand (neurological/psychological basis of DID), and its main finding is that integration might not be linked to time in therapy.
Third study was a comparison of hippocampal volume between patients with DID, PTSD, and healthy controls. The study found decreased volume as well as abnormal anatomy of hippocampus in DID patients compared to the controls, particularly in the CA2 and CA4-DG region. The CA2 region is responsible for time processing and social memory, while the CA4-DGregion is responsible for spacial awareness and plays a role in pattern recognition. While this does show a significant difference in neuroanatomy in DID patients, the study is limited to the hippocampus, which mainly tells us about spacial awareness and some aspects of working memory. This lends credence to the idea of dissociative amnesia, but, frankly, that's not what's being called into question.
The fourth paper is a case study of a woman who claims she can voluntary and rapidly switch between alters. Ever word of that last sentence raises massive red flags on its credibility. They found activation primarily in sensory-motor areas of the brain (due to the subject scrunching her face when "switching"), as well as activation in the nucleus accumbens, which plays a role in the reward and reinforcement system. Given that they didn't report any other changes in brain function, I'd say this finding is more consistent with Munchhausen's than anything else. I wonder if other scientists laugh at these researchers behind their backs?
The last paper is the most legitimate source, and I don't see any glaring issues with it. An fMRI scan of diagnosed DID patients found significant increase in activity around the temporal gyrus, dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, and the orbitofrontal cortex, which handles auditory/language processing, sense-of-self, and context-specific responding, respectively. Pretty much exactly what you'd expect if you're assuming DID is true. I'll go over this one closer later, but it looks like I'll have to mark this one as legitimate.
Damn, another one died?
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Interesting. So you didn't pay for your consultation? I think the difference is that Chloe paid for her consultation and went in with a diagnosis in mind.
Absolute gold. So am I right in reading this as when Chloe said different areas of the brain 'lit up' during the switch that had little to do with DID but more to do with the fact the woman was using her brain to literally move and the fact she was getting some kind of thrill out of the attention she was being given?
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Oh no I did end up paying in the end, I just began by starting the route for going via NHS funding but my condition was becoming so unstable and worrying to those around me that luckily I was very privileged to have a family member offer to pay so i could FastTrack it. But yes i don't believe you should go in with a diagnosis in mind. I thought it was likely i had a dissociative problem but tried hard not to have anything specific in mind as i knew that could skew the results. Thats really what seeing Remy is for anyway, its not for a definitive provable diagnosis, its for anybody who is confused/unsure to have a specialist pinpoint which dissociative disorder that its very likely to be and set out what route you should follow for the treatment. He gives you like a soft diagnosis that other therapists in the community will accept, but makes it clear that If you want a fully official diagnosis that nhs will accept, you need a psychiatrist to confirm it.
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For that study, sure. The last study has credence to it though, so I'll have to give that to her.
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I'm quite skeptical of your account in regards to Pottergate as your bias is showing. I find it very hard to believe that someone who charges people thousands for a confirmation to 'make them feel comfortable' to pursue treatment has the best interests of his patients at heart. The fact that his diagnosis holds no weight with the NHS is particularly telling too. I don't buy this. Pottergate remains a scam in my opinion.
People with a very low score on the diagnostic test he offers for free are invited to pay for a consultation. That, combined with the fact that 90% of people come out with a diagnosis and 60% come out with a very rare diagnosis tells me all I need to know about Aquarone and his practice. The man is a charlatan.
Source?
What you've seen on YouTube is the fake side of DID. It just isn't possible to have 22 well developed people in your head or to have the ability to summon them at will to take a Pottermore quiz.
And you decided to pay thousands for this unofficial soft diagnosis? Why?
I think that's one of the interesting things about Chloe. In amongst all the fantasy she scatters legitimate sources which gives her some legitimacy to her audience who don't dig too deeply.