Wuhan Coronavirus - COVID-19 Analysis & Summary - This is not just fucking pneumonia. It is everything but the kitchen sink. Lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, brain, blood vessels, testes. It affects them all.

[DidYouJustSayThat]

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You see, you can't fight a virus with a rifle.
You can only fight a virus with information.
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Ahem...

 

[SIGSEGV]

Where are the reports of vasculitis in COVID-19 patients? Is anyone even looking?

All of the medical experts are waiting for you to find that information, so you'd better hop to it. There are lives at stake.

 

[AmpleApricots]

You guys realize the more attention you give to the tranny the more he'll soak it in and continue this, right?

 

[Sped Xing]

You guys realize the more attention you give to the tranny the more he'll soak it in and continue this, right?

Shush, Harriet! That's a sure way to get him killed!

 

[derpherp2]

I couldn't handle the information overload earlier so I went to a lolithread for a hugbox

LOL congratulations on figuring out 561 of kiwifarmers likes loliporn.
Then again, you are the retard that keeps thinking discord academics represents the entirety of academia itself.

I'm still trying to be nice to you guise honest also HENTAI GUISE AMIRITE

Some of us actually get laid, boy.

But fuck you lol SEE IM ONE OF YOU GUISE

I wouldn't pretend to get sarcasm guy who couldn't figure out this place wasn't a sadist paradise of doxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxers

I STILL THINK YOU READ MY COMMENTS REEEEEEEEEEEE

Do you just cite sources and not read them?

You know exactly what you’re doing. You’re fucking leading me on, you nitwit.

Congratulations on figuring out something people have been telling you since this thread started. You're certainly showing us by continuing to be a faggot anyways. It's certainly something that's totally unexpected and I didn't do anything earlier to create a callback for what you're no doubt about to do.

Spread misery? Nothing I do or say is going to make this virus any worse. Denial won’t miraculously make this thing any less severe. Knowing the truth about the virus doesn’t make it kill people harder to compensate.

Yes because being an all-out faggot is certainly not making things worse and you're truly doing this out of altruism and not spite at this point.

Jesus, what is it with the magical thinking? Do people think COVID-19 has a consciousness and it will somehow get angry if we unravel the truth about it? No. It’s quite the opposite.

The more we know about it, the less dangerous it is.

And yet here you are, hysterical troon and all, doomposting because youve been googling this shit while your discord academics have been creating a feedback loop of doom.

First of all, I never said it’s a mega-plague or that it will kill 99.9% of all people. As a matter of fact, the worst-case scenarios I've seen are something like 1.4% mortality in 60 to 80% of the world's population, or about 60 to 90 million people dead.

That's still potentially more than all the deaths in WWII, and plenty enough to wreck the economy, create a decade-long recession, and trigger various wars.

What should people do? Well, that's simple. Dig. Dig into the wumao asshats suppressing info about the virus. Dig into all the publicly-available info on this thing. Don't let even one single tidbit of useful information slip away.

CCP IS LYING GUISE IT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT ONLY I THE GREAT BRONY HAVE FOUND OUT.

Oh hey look I called it.

 

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You guys realize the more attention you give to the tranny the more he'll soak it in and continue this, right?

Next you'll be saying we shouldn't indulge cannibalism fetishistss.

 

[Drain Todger]

This is what makes this thread fascinating. The raison d'être of this forum is ridicule. This is a ridicule site.

Do you just cite sources and not read them?

That’s my whole point. You habitually indulge in ridicule because rhetoric simply escapes you. You people do not realize that ridicule is not a substitute for rhetoric, nor does it augment rhetoric in any way, shape, or form.

This is not a problem specific to Kiwi Farms. It is common for mouth-breathers on the internet to confuse contradiction with argument. This happened on SpaceBattles all the time. Nine times out of ten, nobody actually bothers to refute anything. All they do is invoke the burden of proof and demand more and more citations, and then, when you do actually cite your sources, they say that your sources mean the opposite of what you think. It is argumentation by means of Kafkaesque gaslighting, and it is not valid.

COVID-19 causes severe autoimmune damage in multiple vital organs, and it causes sepsis and widespread clotting that eventually leads to infarcts. All of these patients have elevated inflammatory cytokines and elevated D-dimer levels indicative of this.

Why Some COVID-19 Patients Crash: The Body's Immune System Might Be To Blame

An overblown immune response could be killing a portion of the sick, and some doctors think that new treatments being tested could help at least some of those patients.

www.npr.org

COVID-19: Abnormal Clotting Common in More Severe Disease

Chinese clinicians on the early front lines argue for anticoagulation

www.medpagetoday.com

I have provided ample evidence of these claims. Now, if you’re going to argue this, you have to actually refute the fucking claim.

“Oh, that’s crazy, that’s absurd, you’re being silly, let's discuss how you came to be so silly and ignore the content of your argument,” is not a refutation. Trust me, you Kiwis aren’t the only ones to get that wrong. I see this sort of faux-argumentation everywhere online, where all argument consists essentially of attacking credibility of sources or simply declaring ideas absurd without any actual refutation. It is an anti-intellectual poison that is ruining online discourse, and I tire of it.

Stop engaging in Bulverism and refute the fucking claim.

 

[SIGSEGV]

WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

Do you just reply to comments and not read them?

 

[Vince McMahon]

That’s my whole point. You habitually indulge in ridicule because rhetoric simply escapes you. You people do not realize that ridicule is not a substitute for rhetoric, nor does it augment rhetoric in any way, shape, or form.

This is not a problem specific to Kiwi Farms. It is common for mouth-breathers on the internet to confuse contradiction with argument. This happened on SpaceBattles all the time. Nine times out of ten, nobody actually bothers to refute anything. All they do is invoke the burden of proof and demand more and more citations, and then, when you do actually cite your sources, they say that your sources mean the opposite of what you think. It is argumentation by means of Kafkaesque gaslighting, and it is not valid.

COVID-19 causes severe autoimmune damage in multiple vital organs, and it causes sepsis and widespread clotting that eventually leads to infarcts. All of these patients have elevated inflammatory cytokines and elevated D-dimer levels indicative of this.

Why Some COVID-19 Patients Crash: The Body's Immune System Might Be To Blame

An overblown immune response could be killing a portion of the sick, and some doctors think that new treatments being tested could help at least some of those patients.

www.npr.org

COVID-19: Abnormal Clotting Common in More Severe Disease

Chinese clinicians on the early front lines argue for anticoagulation

www.medpagetoday.com

I have provided ample evidence of these claims. Now, if you’re going to argue this, you have to actually refute the fucking claim.

“Oh, that’s crazy, that’s absurd, you’re being silly, let's discuss how you came to be so silly and ignore the content of your argument,” is not a refutation. Trust me, you Kiwis aren’t the only ones to get that wrong. I see this sort of faux-argumentation everywhere online, where all argument consists essentially of attacking credibility of sources or simply declaring ideas absurd without any actual refutation. It is an anti-intellectual poison that is ruining online discourse, and I tire of it.

Stop engaging in Bulverism and refute the fucking claim.

David, pls.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The refutations are there, champ, you're just too obsessive to see them. You're breathlessly repeating worst-case scenarios, which are shared by whole families of viral infections, as if they're going to happen to everyone who so much as looks at this virus from across the room.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

What's your point, Troon Doodger?

 

[derpherp2]

That’s my whole point. You habitually indulge in ridicule because rhetoric simply escapes you. You people do not realize that ridicule is not a substitute for rhetoric, nor does it augment rhetoric in any way, shape, or form.

Yes yes bravo, you figured out I don't pay attention to most of your autism. Congratulations.

This is not a problem specific to Kiwi Farms. It is common for mouth-breathers on the internet to confuse contradiction with argument. This happened on SpaceBattles all the time. Nine times out of ten, nobody actually bothers to refute anything. All they do is invoke the burden of proof and demand more and more citations, and then, when you do actually cite your sources, they say that your sources mean the opposite of what you think. It is argumentation by means of Kafkaesque gaslighting, and it is not valid.

And this is your flaw, you think just because of your anecdotal evidence magically everyone's a mouth breather - you'd think someone pretending to research shit would at least pretend better, and magically you think research bias doesn't effect you somehow because you think your discord academics are worth shit.
GG on using a neurologist's word as proof of virology ethos btw, that's such a good take.

REEEEEE DISPROVE MY ARGUMENTS REEEEEEEEEEEE

There is more than one way to win arguments faggot, besides this implies you were ever part of any debate.

I have provided ample evidence of these claims. Now, if you’re going to argue this, you have to actually refute the fucking claim.

Kk you're not a doctor, your bias is obvious, and you're a fucking troon. There, debate over.

P.S. complaining about my arguments without actually refuting them while being frustrated over me doing the same exact thing is hilarious.
Also we can still see you being avoidant on other arguments that actually bring up good points.

Let me guess, cite them. I already have, multiple times. Repeating this process is pointless. And not really entertaining, so at this point you find them.

“Oh, that’s crazy, that’s absurd, you’re being silly, let's discuss how you came to be so silly and ignore the content of your argument,” is not a refutation. Trust me, you Kiwis aren’t the only ones to get that wrong. I see this sort of faux-argumentation everywhere online, where all argument consists essentially of attacking credibility of sources or simply declaring ideas absurd without any actual refutation. It is an anti-intellectual poison that is ruining online discourse, and I tire of it.

Yes yes, because we're not powerlevelling like you magically means we don't have ACTUAL experience in this field. Bravo.

Stop engaging in Bulverism and refute the fucking claim.

Stop pretending you actually know what you're talking about.
Why attack a logos and ethos that doesn't exist when I can just keep spamming pathos because you're such a faggot?

 

[mr.moon1488]

That’s my whole point. You habitually indulge in ridicule because rhetoric simply escapes you. You people do not realize that ridicule is not a substitute for rhetoric, nor does it augment rhetoric in any way, shape, or form.

This is not a problem specific to Kiwi Farms. It is common for mouth-breathers on the internet to confuse contradiction with argument. This happened on SpaceBattles all the time. Nine times out of ten, nobody actually bothers to refute anything. All they do is invoke the burden of proof and demand more and more citations, and then, when you do actually cite your sources, they say that your sources mean the opposite of what you think. It is argumentation by means of Kafkaesque gaslighting, and it is not valid.

COVID-19 causes severe autoimmune damage in multiple vital organs, and it causes sepsis and widespread clotting that eventually leads to infarcts. All of these patients have elevated inflammatory cytokines and elevated D-dimer levels indicative of this.

Why Some COVID-19 Patients Crash: The Body's Immune System Might Be To Blame

An overblown immune response could be killing a portion of the sick, and some doctors think that new treatments being tested could help at least some of those patients.

www.npr.org

COVID-19: Abnormal Clotting Common in More Severe Disease

Chinese clinicians on the early front lines argue for anticoagulation

www.medpagetoday.com

I have provided ample evidence of these claims. Now, if you’re going to argue this, you have to actually refute the fucking claim.

“Oh, that’s crazy, that’s absurd, you’re being silly, let's discuss how you came to be so silly and ignore the content of your argument,” is not a refutation. Trust me, you Kiwis aren’t the only ones to get that wrong. I see this sort of faux-argumentation everywhere online, where all argument consists essentially of attacking credibility of sources or simply declaring ideas absurd without any actual refutation. It is an anti-intellectual poison that is ruining online discourse, and I tire of it.

Stop engaging in Bulverism and refute the fucking claim.

David, Pls

 

[Spooky Bones]

That’s my whole point. You habitually indulge in ridicule because rhetoric simply escapes you. You people do not realize that ridicule is not a substitute for rhetoric, nor does it augment rhetoric in any way, shape, or form.

This is not a problem specific to Kiwi Farms. It is common for mouth-breathers on the internet to confuse contradiction with argument. This happened on SpaceBattles all the time. Nine times out of ten, nobody actually bothers to refute anything. All they do is invoke the burden of proof and demand more and more citations, and then, when you do actually cite your sources, they say that your sources mean the opposite of what you think. It is argumentation by means of Kafkaesque gaslighting, and it is not valid.

COVID-19 causes severe autoimmune damage in multiple vital organs, and it causes sepsis and widespread clotting that eventually leads to infarcts. All of these patients have elevated inflammatory cytokines and elevated D-dimer levels indicative of this.

Why Some COVID-19 Patients Crash: The Body's Immune System Might Be To Blame

An overblown immune response could be killing a portion of the sick, and some doctors think that new treatments being tested could help at least some of those patients.

www.npr.org

COVID-19: Abnormal Clotting Common in More Severe Disease

Chinese clinicians on the early front lines argue for anticoagulation

www.medpagetoday.com

I have provided ample evidence of these claims. Now, if you’re going to argue this, you have to actually refute the fucking claim.

“Oh, that’s crazy, that’s absurd, you’re being silly, let's discuss how you came to be so silly and ignore the content of your argument,” is not a refutation. Trust me, you Kiwis aren’t the only ones to get that wrong. I see this sort of faux-argumentation everywhere online, where all argument consists essentially of attacking credibility of sources or simply declaring ideas absurd without any actual refutation. It is an anti-intellectual poison that is ruining online discourse, and I tire of it.

Stop engaging in Bulverism and refute the fucking claim.

Why so salty? You've been agreeable for the most part despite being distinctly bovine in character.

 

[AltisticRight]

You misread that. The first one is plus, the other is a division sign.

No I didn't.
Division/multiplication first, then plus.

So it's that first number plus 1. You left out the brackets.

But numerous sources have indicated China's data was dishonest.

China’s Coronavirus Figures Don’t Add Up. ‘This Never Happens With Real Data.’

Anomalies had shown up in China’s coronavirus numbers even before health officials changed how they diagnose the Wuhan virus this week. For instance, the number of deaths reported appeared to correspond to a simple mathematical formula to a very high accuracy.

www.barrons.com

Of course their data is dishonest. Corruption will exist on many levels, from hospital, to different levels in the state. Hospital takes out 1 or 2 to make themselves look nice, then the politicians alter the sources more. Results in astronomical data errors.
Already 2 high level politicians have been arrested for covering up the data to save their role.
So what, doesn't mean the data is bad. It's an inherent flaw in sampling.

Let's see, the article you dug up starts out with China's economical data which we all know is unreliable.

In terms of the virus data, the number of cumulative deaths reported is described by a simple mathematical formula to a very high accuracy, according to a quantitative-finance specialist who ran a regression of the data for Barron’s. A near-perfect 99.99% of variance is explained by the equation, this person said.

So this "quantitative-finance" specialist fit a regression curve for the data, and obtained a high r-sq?
R-sq is almost meaningless in this context. R-sq only shows how much explanatory power the model has in terms of variance, for the regression line.
They didn't justify why they used cumulative deaths instead of day-to-day deaths.
99.99% means that 99.99% variance can be explained with the formula they made. That's it. A model with 99.99% R-sq can be a shit model.

You don't know what R-sq is. R-sq can be increased by simply including larger data. If I want to make a model to predict a person's location on the autism spectrum, I can include data such as the amount of posts on Kiwifarms, their height, weight, favourite colour, race, times they've had sex, number of dildos they own, number of pony plushies.... you fucking get it.
R-sq isn't dictatorial.
This is what we call "chance correlations", spurious data is bad.

Oh no, spending money on space causes people to hand themselves! Nicolas Cage appearing in films cause people to fall into their pools and drown!

This is what R-sq does:
- Explains variability of the model
- Fitness of the model
- Layman's terms "how close is the dot to the line? Closer, better R-sq"

This is what R-sq can't do:
- Explain bias
- Explain the reliability of the model

The article you linked suck because:
- No graphs, I'll make my own
- Is the data normal?
- Residual plots? Just because R-sq is high, doesn't mean there's a good random spread of data.
- Is the adjusted R-sq 99.99%?

“I have never in my years seen an r-squared of 0.99,” Goodman says. “As a statistician, it makes me question the data.”

Agreed, as a statistician, it also makes me question the model.
The biggest problem with their number is the data they used. Presumably it's WHO's update reports. This alone makes their analysis stupid.
- Under China, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan is included
- This suggests that HK and TW are in with the CPC, forging numbers, definitely not the case
- Maybe China accounted for that? Sure, China's able to predict the growth, right? No they can't. So this suggests that China and WHO are together, making fake data
- 99% r-sq doesn't mean the data is fake. Maybe their model sucks gigantic dick, maybe they don't know what they are talking about.

I'm gathering WHO's data now, maybe you shouldn't skip your statistics class. All this shit is taught in a first year's statistics class, and you're failing so hard.

You can send me $500 for this course to bateatingchong@cpc.gov.cn, via Alipay.

Report of Urns in Wuhan Raises Questions About COVID-19 Death Toll

Many are skeptical of China's tallies given Wuhan’s overwhelmed medical system and authorities’ initial attempts to cover up the outbreak

time.com

Wuhan's death toll could be astronomically higher than the Chinese government has reported, some residents say

Officials in Wuhan, China, reported that 2,535 people in the city have died from COVID-19. Some residents suspect that's a severe undercount.

www.businessinsider.com

The media in the US is reporting that 40,000 to 50,000 people died in Wuhan of COVID-19 and it was covered up. The official number of deaths for Hubei province is 3,212, according to the JHU COVID-19 map:

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

coronavirus.jhu.edu

Even on the face of it, this seems very, very low compared to what the virus has done in other countries, especially when one considers that China went as far as to commandeer stadiums and build temporary hospitals to house the sick. It seems obvious that there were many more deaths than we're being told.

So? You're regurgitating shit we all know.
The deaths are well under-estimated. We all know it.
CPC lies, or 2+2=4. Wow I am surprised.
If someone dies of Coronachan and wasn't previously diagnosed, they aren't included.
No diagnosis, not included in dataset, not verified to carry the virus.
Also for a city like Wuhan, there's people dying naturally everyday anyway.
This applies to every country, not just China.
A very low percentage of the population was tested, out of this small sample, some are dead.
This also tells me that you really don't know what you're talking about. As time goes on, people die of causes other than the disease. Depression from being indoors, ageing, dying from cancer because hospitals are full, suicide after reading this retarded post of yours... All this will skew the CFR you're desperately trying to push.
Doesn't mean I think China's numbers are accurate, they definitely are not.

@AltisticRight

Let's do a little RCFR comparison here, real quick.

2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in mainland China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

China is claiming 77,167 recoveries and 3,331 deaths. That's a 4.13% fatality rate.

Now, let's see what Italy is saying.

COVID-19 pandemic in Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Italy is claiming 24,392 recoveries and 17,127 deaths. That is a 41.2% fatality rate. Ten times higher.

Why the disparity, there? What part of China having 77,167 recoveries and a mere 3,331 deaths is believable, given the viciousness of the disease elsewhere?

Did you just calculate CFR by dividing death with death plus recovery? ( Also, 17127/(17127+24392)=41.25099...%, or rounded to 41.3%... but oh well. C- for effort)
(Null should let us use LATEX so I can sperg more)
You still don't understand. The formula you're using is only applicable after the epidemic.

135586 cases, 17127 deaths, 24392 recovered.
CFR: 17127/135586=12.6318%
RCFR is that 41.3% of yours.
Still that CFR is 6 times higher than overall for China, but so what?
Why are you comparing the RCFR of China where the virus is effectively over to Italy, where coronachan is still circulating, looking for the next pizza chef to infect?
Didn't I point out how wrong it was in my initial response?

China locked down Wuhan, then the province, then the surrounding provinces in less than a week from the 23rd.
Italy let the virus spread.
China could have done all this 7-10 days earlier, if the politicians of Wuhan weren't corrupted traitors of the nation that tried to cover the virus up.
Italy could have done this... on the first day of fucking March.

Maybe, just maybe Italy sucks.

South Korea is claiming 6776 recoveries and 200 deaths.
RCFR: 200/6976=2.8670%
CFR: 200/10384=1.9260% Diagnosed, 2% death rate.

RCFR: 6/412=1.4563%
CFR: 6/1623=tiny

RCFR: 50/1086=4.6041%
CFR: 50/6010=<1%

Italy sucks.
China's numbers are fake.
But Italy still sucks.

 

[Captain Communism]

EVERYONE EXCEPT ME IS LIKE LITTLE GIRLS!

Stop it with that Attitude David. You're gonna get yo ass killed one day! I mean shiieeet...

 

[derpherp2]

Why so salty? You've been agreeable for the most part despite being distinctly bovine in character.

Dude's autism assumes being a caustic faggot would mean people would believe him on the farms.

Essentially he's being edgy so we take him seriously.
If you haven't noticed, alongside that screenie @Yotsubaaa has of him looking at the loli thread, he's been trying to go through the farms to try and make a psych profile of a regular kiwifarmer.

Autists don't make great psych profiles, who knew.

 

[Sped Xing]

That’s my whole point. You habitually indulge in ridicule because rhetoric simply escapes you. You people do not realize that ridicule is not a substitute for rhetoric, nor does it augment rhetoric in any way, shape, or form.

Is that how you treat your ponyfag friends?

"Your pictures of Mimsy Piffle with dicknipples is not an argument! Refute me or I win!"

 

[Vince McMahon]

@Drain Todger

Has any Britfag ever pointed out that by switching letters in your original nickname, you actually gave yourself a nickname that amounts to "trash dick"?

 

[AmpleApricots]

do you think he's mad because they canceled his dick-chopping surgery?