Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Welding people into their apartments. a "moderate compromise." A "modest proposal," if you will.

You're fine with infectious people wandering around without facemasks, infecting others? Very interesting. I gather you also think it's just fine to bite nurses in the face too.

Here's the thing, just because irresponsibility that will kill and attacks by foreigners on medical staff is condoned in America, it doesn't mean it is anywhere else.

 

[Francis E. Dec Esc.]

UK Police harass man for reporting mosques for not following social distancing rules:

Police State Britain – the monolog – UK Preppers Radio Network

archived 13 Apr 2020 17:35:18 UTC

archive.vn

Spoiler: Mirror

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edit: the whole video is not the guy at the beginning giving a blow by blow account of everything, be patient. I initially thought it was and was about to skip it. It's worth the watch.

What else do you expect from the country that brought us this:

 

[JosephStalin]

Ya think? Ya think? Ya fucking think? We knew that here weeks ago. But still worth a look, has a few new details.

What Coronavirus Could Mean for China

BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 1,527, April 13, 2020EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: States all over the world stand to lose a great deal economically from the coronavirus pandemic. But in the case of China

besacenter.org

https://archive.vn/fDHjD

Oh, thanks again to the person who showed how to archive. Very easy to do.


Added: Some guy from Stanford believes we'll recover fairly quickly from the economic shocks brought on by the ChiCom Flu. Dude, if these fucking state governors and their minions would get their boots off our necks we could start recovering NOW.

https://www.governing.com/now/A-Sharp-Shock-But-Not-a-Depression-A-Historians-View.html?utm_term=READ%20MORE&utm_campaign=A%20Sharp%20Shock%2C%20But%20Not%20a%20Depression%3A%20A%20Historian%27s%20View&utm_content=email&utm_source=Act-On+Software&utm_medium=email

https://archive.vn/NyMSl

 

[Otterly]

We should totally make caps with the slogan "Make the East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere Greater again"

Make the Celtic Fringe Great Again!

He finally found Mornington Crescent...

Genuinely sad about this. If it gets Michael palin and / or Attenborough I shall have a little mope

Up to 70% of patients in intensive care suffer from physical and mental health problems such as fatigue and anxiety a YEAR after they are released from hospital, study finds

Yeah being intubated is rough, on body and mind. Intubated with no sedation shouldn’t happen IMO. But any intubation is hard on you. The triage recommendations for intubation reflect that - at a point of frailty it becomes cruel and pointless to do invasive procedures.
Just being seriously ill also seriously affects people mentally. Heart attack survivors have a really big incidence of depression, and anyone who has been through a serious illness is at risk of mental health issues. It’s a traumatic event - we are a bit numbed to people moaning about trauma from all the munchies, tumblrites and danger hairs claiming it, but physical trauma is a risk for mental trauma and a severe illness or a stay in ICU will knock you. You don’t just walk out, thank the lord for your survival and live a better life. It can take months to get back on an even keel. If you’re on a vent for almost anything, you’re talking months to be fully recovered and some may never be 100%.

 

[Freya]

Perhaps the more things change, the more they stay the same. Balancing increased travel against improved health care, the World Health Organization estimates that the next global influenza pandemic could cause 50 million deaths or more, if the strain is as virulent as the Spanish Flu.

Scientists say those millions could be saved by a concerted, lightning fast global effort to quarantine affected areas and aggressively treat the afflicted there. Scientists also say that such an effort ain't gonna happen, because of the recurring motif of the 21st century—"We'll burn that bridge when we come to it."

After all, in 2005, the U.S. couldn't coordinate its response to a hurricane it saw coming for days... and everyone involved in that effort spoke the same language, worked for the same government, followed the same rules and had the benefit of instant coverage by the news media. If influenza broke out in some politically inconvenient place, like China or Darfur, the chances of a coordinated global response are less than zero.

https://www.gwern.net/docs/rotten.com/library/history/flu-pandemic/index.html

 

[Drain Todger]

I recognize you're just being autistic, but the Chinks were doing that because they are 20% of the world's (technically) human population and some of those people are so shitty that they wander around in public after being diagnosed with COVID-19. I mean, they could have just shot them or let them roam free infecting everyone, but containing them instead and dropping food packages right outside the door seems like a moderate compromise.

Ehh, higher population density, faster transmission, worse consequences. Just look at New York.

Not every American city is getting hit the same. Seattle isn't. Not even close. Washingtonians are already pretty antisocial. You ever see a Seattleite approach someone on the sidewalk? Fifteen-foot gaps and a cold aura of unfriendliness were already standard practice. Only 4400 cases and 300 deaths so far in King County.

Because it is extremely contagious and if you let it go unchecked you'd get a scenario like NYC but much worse all over. Also because the virus was brand new and they had no real clue what it would do to people.

Indeed. The authorities are working off of epidemiological models that indicate exponential spread and severe casualties if nothing is done to contain it. It's already killed 118,000 globally, and there are 1.88m known cases. The daily increase in the number of cases is tapering off and leveling out. We must be doing something right. Now, a typical flu season kills about 300,000 to 600,000 people, globally. In other words, COVID-19 has already accounted for 1/6th to 1/3rd the number of deaths of a typical flu season. In about a month, this thing has gone from 143k cases worldwide to 1.8m. It was doubling about once a week. Seems to be slowing down a little bit, now. Good.

If it were allowed to double a few more times, you'd be looking at 200,000, and then 400,000, and then 800,000, and then 1.6 million, and then 3.2 million dead. And that's to say nothing of those who are still fighting for their lives in the hospital. If you’re wondering why governments are freaking out so badly, they’ve been working off of those same sorts of projections.

Now, summer starts in a couple months, and one would hope it would burn all this away, like a typical flu season. If it can be kept under control until then, maybe we'll see an end to this. However, it seems to be spreading somewhat in warmer climates, as well.

The lockdown is starting to have severe consequences of its own. Joblessness and the risks of suicide are increasing. The food supply chain is being harmed. That's a one-way ticket to social unrest. If people can't get food, they lose their fucking minds and start breaking shit.

If we let up on the lockdowns and social distancing, will all this just get worse? Will the rate of infection increase again?

This is what the CDC's been putting forth, lately:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article

Early Release - High Contagiousness and Rapid Spread of Severe Acute …

archived 12 Apr 2020 03:29:25 UTC

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Assuming a serial interval of 6–9 days, we calculated a median R0 value of 5.7 (95% CI 3.8–8.9). We further show that active surveillance, contact tracing, quarantine, and early strong social distancing efforts are needed to stop transmission of the virus.

R0 of 5.7, with a range of 3.8 to 8.9. They're basically saying it spreads as fast as smallpox. That's not good.

@EmuWarsVeteran How are things on the front lines? I’m more inclined to believe healthcare workers over clickbait.

 

[Aria]

Number of confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide reaches 1.9 million, death toll approaching 120,000

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“NEW: Number of confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide reaches 1.9 million, death toll approaching 120,000 https://t.co/ACTvkkQ0g2”

twitter.com

BNO Newsroom on Twitter: "NEW: Number of confirmed coronavirus cases …

archived 13 Apr 2020 18:45:00 UTC

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Ehh, higher population density, faster transmission, worse consequences. Just look at New York.

Not every American city is getting hit the same. Seattle isn't. Not even close. Washingtonians are already pretty antisocial. You ever see a Seattleite approach someone on the sidewalk? Fifteen-foot gaps and a cold aura of unfriendliness were already standard practice. Only 4400 cases and 300 deaths so far in King County.

So... as someone who thinks that the coronavirus is straight out of 28 Days Later- you think it's fine for tested, verified carriers who have demonstrated a refusal to isolate themselves to protect their neighbors to wander around irresponsibly coughing on people, rather than being detained to protect society, because it will all average out? Very interesting.

 

[ShinyStar]

I’m more inclined to believe healthcare workers over clickbait.

Objection! Presenting facts not in evidence, here.

 

[New & Improved Username]

Ehh, higher population density, faster transmission, worse consequences. Just look at New York.

Not every American city is getting hit the same. Seattle isn't. Not even close. Washingtonians are already pretty antisocial. You ever see a Seattleite approach someone on the sidewalk? Fifteen-foot gaps and a cold aura of unfriendliness were already standard practice. Only 4400 cases and 300 deaths so far in King County.



Indeed. The authorities are working off of epidemiological models that indicate exponential spread and severe casualties if nothing is done to contain it. It's already killed 118,000 globally, and there are 1.88m known cases. The daily increase in the number of cases is tapering off and leveling out. We must be doing something right. Now, a typical flu season kills about 300,000 to 600,000 people, globally. In other words, COVID-19 has already accounted for 1/6th to 1/3rd the number of deaths of a typical flu season. In about a month, this thing has gone from 143k cases worldwide to 1.8m. It was doubling about once a week. Seems to be slowing down a little bit, now. Good.

If it were allowed to double a few more times, you'd be looking at 200,000, and then 400,000, and then 800,000, and then 1.6 million, and then 3.2 million dead. And that's to say nothing of those who are still fighting for their lives in the hospital. If you’re wondering why governments are freaking out so badly, they’ve been working off of those same sorts of projections.

Now, summer starts in a couple months, and one would hope it would burn all this away, like a typical flu season. If it can be kept under control until then, maybe we'll see an end to this. However, it seems to be spreading somewhat in warmer climates, as well.

The lockdown is starting to have severe consequences of its own. Joblessness and the risks of suicide are increasing. The food supply chain is being harmed. That's a one-way ticket to social unrest. If people can't get food, they lose their fucking minds and start breaking shit.

If we let up on the lockdowns and social distancing, will all this just get worse? Will the rate of infection increase again?

This is what the CDC's been putting forth, lately:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article

http://archive.li/kx1El

R0 of 5.7, with a range of 3.8 to 8.9. They're basically saying it spreads as fast as smallpox. That's not good.

@EmuWarsVeteran How are things on the front lines? I’m more inclined to believe healthcare workers over clickbait.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

UK Police harass man for reporting mosques for not following social distancing rules:

Police State Britain – the monolog – UK Preppers Radio Network

archived 13 Apr 2020 17:35:18 UTC

archive.vn

Spoiler: Mirror

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edit: the whole video is not the guy at the beginning giving a blow by blow account of everything, be patient. I initially thought it was and was about to skip it. It's worth the watch.

It's interesting the way the coronavirus crisis makes already present contradictions in society all the more obvious and all the more serious. UK police have long decided that covering up for Islam is a higher priority than dealing with Muslim child exploitation gangs. Now they've decided it's a higher priority than coronavirus too.

The UK is so fucked - if any group is able to get its members out to riot, the police will cover up literally anything bad that group does. In the long run, this is the death of liberal democracy because it incentivizes groups to do this. This is basically how the Weimar Republic died - in the end the Commies and the Nazis took away the state's monopoly on the use of force and once that happened it was clear that one of them would end up taking over the state.

I think part of the reasons they're so very scared of Tommy Robinson is that he can get people out to riot too. The powers that be know that is the end, hence their obsessive need to destroy him. However in a sense covering up the child rape gangs made Tommy, or someone like him, inevitable. Crush him, and you're just setting the stage for someone more ruthless.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Governor Cuomo just held another press conference today. He has basically set himself up as the Regional King of the Northeast USA, having created a coalition of surrounding states whose governors were all on a conference call with him, and deferring to him and complimenting his "great leadership." This sets them up as diametrically opposed to any Federal/Trump calls for setting a reopening date. Since they closed the state economies, only they can reopen them and if Trump wants to challenge this, he has to legally change the Federal/State model of authority. They will make the decisions for their new nation, and they will do it together.

This New Union will coordinate resources, research, and COVID shutdown/reopening policy for their states. So far it consists of:

1. New York
2. New Jersey
3. Connecticut
4. Pennsylvania
these 4 were the original ones that he coordinated to close down with. In addition he has added:
5. Rhode Island
6. Delaware.

States that have opted out so far are Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. Otherwise he has the whole Northeast. Other states though, can join in if they want. Interestingly, there is already an association of all 50 state governors, the National Governors Association (https://www.nga.org/) but Cuomo is only second banana there, whereas presumably if you join this Kool Kids Klub you will be under his wise stewardship as opposed to Larry Hogan of Maryland who runs the NGA.

He is also adamant that we will not open businesses until schools open due to day care concerns (or would be out for the season in June, whichever comes first I guess).

 

[Lards and Lasses]

You're fine with infectious people wandering around without facemasks, infecting others? Very interesting. I gather you also think it's just fine to bite nurses in the face too.

Here's the thing, just because irresponsibility that will kill and attacks by foreigners on medical staff is condoned in America, it doesn't mean it is anywhere else.

whats it like being this retarded?

 

[Drain Todger]

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It’s kinda hard to scratch your nose when you can’t touch your face. Here, I demonstrate the touch-free itch removal technique used in the Post-Corona Era. You have to manipulate your facial muscles in just the correct sequence to curl your upper lip and deform the area around your nose. Continue “scratching” in this manner until the itch is banished.

pfft... hahahaha

 

[Radical Cadre]

whats it like being this exceptional?

Look at his post history, it's hilarious. The last two days have consisted of twisting what people are saying and mind reading. Very interesting.

Oh right, can't forget the obligatory dumb/MatI rating. Very interesting.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Governor Cuomo just held another press conference today. He has basically set himself up as the Regional King of the Northeast USA, having created a coalition of surrounding states whose governors were all on a conference call with him, and deferring to him and complimenting his "great leadership." This sets them up as diametrically opposed to any Federal/Trump calls for setting a reopening date. Since they closed the state economies, only they can reopen them and if Trump wants to challenge this, he has to legally change the Federal/State model of authority. They will make the decisions for their new nation, and they will do it together.


This New Union will coordinate resources, research, and COVID shutdown/reopening policy for their states. So far it consists of:

1. New York
2. New Jersey
3. Connecticut
4. Pennsylvania
these 4 were the original ones that he coordinated to close down with. In addition he has added:
5. Rhode Island
6. Delaware.

Hmmm. Interesting... sort of like a looser... Confederation of States... of America... hmmm. Never seen anything like this pop up before.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

John Conway, who invented the Game of Life, died of COVID19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Horton_Conway

https://web.archive.org/web/20200413120204/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Horton_Conway

John Horton Conway FRS[1] (26 December 1937 – 11 April 2020)[3] was an English mathematician active in the theory of finite groups, knot theory, number theory, combinatorial game theory and coding theory. He also made contributions to many branches of recreational mathematics, most notably the invention of the cellular automaton called the Game of Life. Conway spent the first half of his long career at the University of Cambridge in England, and the second half at Princeton University in New Jersey, where he held the title John von Neumann Professor Emeritus.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] On 11 April 2020, at age 82, he died of COVID-19 at his home in New Jersey.[11]

Numberphile have an obituary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsecAiJDI8s

https://archive.vn/wip/beVv5

This made me laugh

 

[Fareal]

Make the Celtic Fringe Great Again!


Genuinely sad about this. If it gets Michael palin and / or Attenborough I shall have a little mope

Yeah being intubated is rough, on body and mind. Intubated with no sedation shouldn’t happen IMO. But any intubation is hard on you. The triage recommendations for intubation reflect that - at a point of frailty it becomes cruel and pointless to do invasive procedures.
Just being seriously ill also seriously affects people mentally. Heart attack survivors have a really big incidence of depression, and anyone who has been through a serious illness is at risk of mental health issues. It’s a traumatic event - we are a bit numbed to people moaning about trauma from all the munchies, tumblrites and danger hairs claiming it, but physical trauma is a risk for mental trauma and a severe illness or a stay in ICU will knock you. You don’t just walk out, thank the lord for your survival and live a better life. It can take months to get back on an even keel. If you’re on a vent for almost anything, you’re talking months to be fully recovered and some may never be 100%.

I don’t know if any of you guys have come across Bessel van der Kolk’s The Body Keeps The Score, but it’s a fascinating book about the physical effects of psychological trauma.

Spoiler: “powerlevel”

I had a really bad delivery of my third baby a while back. Emergency surgery and stuff. Baby was fine, but it was really touch and go for me, and I really do mean touch and go. I came round in ICU, alone, no baby in sight... it was all shit.

I felt really weird for weeks and weeks afterwards after I finally got out of hospital. At first I put it down to: you had a big operation, you’re still trying to heal and make up blood, yada yada. But I couldn‘t shake it. I kept waking up in the night from terrible nightmares absolutely soaked in sweat. I just kind of... sat there holding the baby during the day whilst spouse tried to work from home and run the household, I felt like an absolute fucking passenger in life, like I literally could not mentally pull myself together.

I found myself a professional who specialises in perinatal brain shit, and told her, look this is my problem. Is this postnatal depression? It doesn’t feel like depression, but there’s something Very Wrong. What the fuck is wrong with me?

She told me, this is PTSD and I honestly burst out laughing. Who the fuck gets PTSD from a birth? Shit things happen, the baby‘s perfect, I’m alive, why is this an issue? It turns out, the rest of my brain was not on board with my expressed opinion there and the combination of agonising pain and being held down whilst people did Bad Things and I felt terrified had in fact fucked my brain somewhat. There was a part of it curled up in a wee ball pissing itself, and that bit needed help.

She brainfixed me, but since that I’ve read more and realised this is a thing that happens. But we don’t really talk about it. I think so many people have been sick at once with this chinky flu, we are going to have to talk about it and recognise it more.

 

[Pargon]

Governor Cuomo just held another press conference today. He has basically set himself up as the Regional King of the Northeast USA, having created a coalition of surrounding states whose governors were all on a conference call with him, and deferring to him and complimenting his "great leadership." This sets them up as diametrically opposed to any Federal/Trump calls for setting a reopening date. Since they closed the state economies, only they can reopen them and if Trump wants to challenge this, he has to legally change the Federal/State model of authority. They will make the decisions for their new nation, and they will do it together.

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This New Union will coordinate resources, research, and COVID shutdown/reopening policy for their states. So far it consists of:

1. New York
2. New Jersey
3. Connecticut
4. Pennsylvania
these 4 were the original ones that he coordinated to close down with. In addition he has added:
5. Rhode Island
6. Delaware.

States that have opted out so far are Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. Otherwise he has the whole Northeast. Other states though, can join in if they want. Interestingly, there is already an association of all 50 state governors, the National Governors Association (https://www.nga.org/) but Cuomo is only second banana there, whereas presumably if you join this Kool Kids Klub you will be under his wise stewardship as opposed to Larry Hogan of Maryland who runs the NGA.

He is also adamant that we will not open businesses until schools open due to day care concerns (or would be out for the season in June, whichever comes first I guess).

I for one support Cuomo. I wouldn't be caught dead trying to wrest power away from a man who's the head of an organization called NigGA.

 

[Otterly]

She told me, this is PTSD and I honestly burst out laughing. Who the fuck gets PTSD from a birth?

You can probably divide the world into people who are really surprised to hear they have PTSD because they didn’t want to make a fuss, and well, you’ve seen the munchie thread, right?

Birth can be grim - it’s not an uncommon source of genuine medical trauma because it’s a mix of lack of control, pain, injury and often long lasting effects. There are a lot of women out there with it. And their partners too - not uncommon for a dad to have a breakdown after seeing the wife almost bleed out.

There will be significant trauma after all this. People losing loved ones and being unable to say goodbye. There will be a lot of anger as well.