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Commander X
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The Star Wars sub reddit is weird they allow criticism for Lucas era star wars stuff, but it seems stuff from the Disney era like the sequels is off limits.
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Imagine that...
I don't know if you can do that without covering Revan. But that's the tv show we should have gotten. At this point they have to get away from the Skywalker era, not because it isn't rich and can be explored but because they can't function within it.
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I would propably not even bring Legends back wholesale in to canon since there is some atrocious shit in there too.
Just take Og and Prequels as basis, would biring Old Republic in too. Take stories and lore from Legends that isnt pure shit, might even take stuff from diney canon that isnt too bad like Mandalorian.
Make new lore post Episode 6 and leave out anything to do with sheev coming back (Yes even the legends).
If you want to make more sequel movies, jump forward in time maybe a minimum of 100 years. No new "Episode #" titles.
They could be named something like "Star Wars: Subtitle. Chapter #: Something Something",
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You know its bad when I get an Old Republic movie and I receive it with the same excitement as that french movie two those two actors that were in Amazing Spiderman 2 and Suicide Squad. Just a gigantic....
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The worst part about what is happening these days, I guess in particular with sci-fi, is that it's not even unclear if it's pure hubris, malicious intent, sheer idiocy... or.... all of the above.
Like, obviously Rian and Kathleen lean a very particular way, but I really can't decide if they openly wanted to desecrate the most beloved franchise in film history after paying 4 billion for it, or if they were just that utterly clueless to think it could be used as simply a vehicle for politics, and they could just half-ass the original stuff without pissing everybody off.
Given that they literally proceeded into this trilogy with virtually no longterm plans, how they are so desperate to remake everything now, my gut tells me it's the work of the most retarded autists around. I've said it before, if Disney wasn't already rich, they never could be now. Now they're riding it. If they go bankrupt, WHO CARES, IT'S THE FUTURE, WE'LL WORRY ABOUT IT THEN.
That's been their attitude thus far. Absolute lunacy.
But for something like Trek, or even Who, as I'm sure you know, that comes across far more openly malicious for me vs what Disney and Star Wars currently is.
There's just a seething disgust for past fans and those who don't think like them, both in the shows and from the flamboyant creators themselves.
I get that vibe with Rian Johnson and Kennedy while solo, but not Star Wars as a whole right now, I guess. But that's just my thoughts.
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Old EU pre-PT and Special Editions, the Empire had 25,000+ ISDs, several thousand star cruisers including the Executor class and over a million smaller capital ships ranging from cruisers barely smaller than an ISD on down to sub 100 meter LEO cutters.
Those ships and Death Squadron through the Rebels did not know they would be there.
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No big shocker there. The reason there are so few protests fighting back against this biased bullshit is because Disney and its drones have cleverly gotten any and all criticism labeled hate speech by treating it as attacks against women and minorities. Talk about nu-Lucasfilm's moronic decisions then you're labeled a sexist for talking about Kennedy's stupid decisions because she's the first female blablabla. Talk about JJ's moronic decisions then you're an anti-semite /pol/-ack and a sexist since he put a woman in the lead. Talk about Wendig's garbage then you're a racist, sexist, trannyphobic, BBQphobic, old GamerGator. Talk about EA and you're BBQphobic and sexist because they did rainbowflag things and put a female in the lead of EAfront II's shitastic storyline. Etc etc etc. Its deviously clever and it got even old fans to mindlessly defend Disney by tugging at their political and moralfag heartstrings, like with EckhartzLadder early on for example despite being a major old school defender.
Its an utter loathing for the past because from a moral perspective they don't see the past as progressive enough for not having enough Rey-sue esque characters and trannies running around while from a business perspective they think that having as much forced in moralfagging, virtue signaling and human-focused diversity as possible will ensure the widest market demographic appeal possible "because everyone's included with the only the most pure and loving ideas so therefore everyone will love it and consoom!", like some horrendous and educational 80s primetime special that somehow proves to be even more obnoxious and sickeningly preachy today. As for the problem lying solely with Rian and Kennedy, you only see it that way because those two are what's constantly in the news since you're not that big on SW as a whole anyway, as the problem is everywhere within nu-Lucasfilm/Disney, from their games, books, comics and all, even merch, filled with nothing but obnoxious twats with an intense hatred for anything that came before them. The biggest testament to their failure is the 4 billion dollar waste that is Galaxy's Edge. Just read the following.
I get what you're saying, but in terms of canon, the whole canon-label is moronic as Disney has put it forth. So while I agree that bringing back the EU without stuff like Jedi Academy, Crystal Star and elements from Children of the Jedi would be for the best, what should be brought back alongside it is the old canon system, ie one where everything doesn't fall under the one true canon bullshit, where you can enjoy one thing without something else needing to be 100% required to enjoy the other thing, as is the case with the Disney trilogy and its shitty tie-in material, or demanding that you play Lego Star Wars to understand why 3PO couldn't read fake Sith-ese or why Lando was bumfucking around in the middle of nowhere in Plan IX. As with the old "canon" system, you can just pick and choose what you like and the most questionable stuff gets dumped into S-Canon and ignored, like Jaxxon was until Disney brought him back for some weird reason. Meanwhile the worst stuff like Crystal Star or most controversial stuff like Dark Empire could be brought back but as adaptations that change and improve on them to be less controversial, as for example, Dark Empire during its conceptual phase wasn't even going to have Palpatine as a villain at all, instead the writers wanted it to be a whole new villain wearing his own version of Vader's armor, using Vader's image and name to rally the splintered Empire together and turning it into what he assumed would be Vader's ideal Empire should he had succeeded the Emperor, with the unraveling of this mysterious figure's identity being one of the main focuses of the story. However George himself was not fond of the idea and instead had the team drop their new villain and replace him with a cloned emperor, a decision which would prove highly divisive at the time, as expected of George's weird indecisive nature. So if they do bring back Dark Empire, it should be with this original idea in mind, or just have it so this clone emperor was also a pretender, or at least move it to a different point point in the timeline so it doesn't mess with the Thrawn trilogy or handle it in such a way that its no longer as story breaking as Plan IX's shit without demeaning Vader's sacrifice. And on the matter of movies, if Disney wants to start new movies they should do exactly that (after wiping their shitty new canon) and have it take place hundreds of years after the OT and New Republic era with no more Episode crap, thus preserving the past and giving them room to do whatever shit they want to do. As for Mandalorian, remove the crappy fobs and Disney Trilogy references.
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Star Wars as a franchise just doesn't work well with choose your own characters. The comics did keep it ambiguous but even there it was kind of weird that Alek talked about his best buddy in such vague terms. If they were going to expand the era, and with KOTOR selling like hotcakes it was inevitable, they really had to give Revan a definitive identity. And mullet man was probably the best option, to be honest, considering the limited amounts of characterization Revan was given in the game (roguish, yet an efficient and capable leader) and how important the romance with Bastila was to the story.
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The Empire had 25K Star Destroyers and over a million other warships, presumably including auxiliary ships needed to keep them functioning (not even getting into the usual complaint about numbers in science fiction). So I think the numbers at Endor are too low. The Emperor and Vader both are there alongside a few grand admirals, a host of other admirals and moffs, and the base doesn't have it's superlaser ready. The Empire already knows the Bothan spies found the location of the base, and at that moment they should've called for reinforcements. Maybe make a show out of it, show the average crewman how great the Empire is with thousands of Star Destroyers, a couple battlecruisers and Super Star Destroyers, and firing the Death Star II's superlaser at the Forest Moon of Endor. There's no reason why there's only 33 (thanks Wookieepedia) Star Destroyers there rather than something like 3,300. They have a giant base (DSII is 160 km, 100x the length of a Star Destroyer, so presumably could dock at least a hundred by itself, although Wookieepedia seems to say otherwise) right by them and could bring enough support ships in and out until the Emperor leaves.
Now sure, it was a trap for the Rebels so they can't just protect the Emperor with a sizable chunk of the Imperial fleet, but why not just stash the fleets in neighboring systems so the minute the Rebel fleet jumps in, they get assraped by the full force of the Empire's fleets and deal with the Death Star II's superlaser?
That whole thing was a joke. Arrangements of fleets like that can look incredible (just look at Legend of Galactic Heroes, although there it's always a wall or cloud of ships fighting like it's 18th century Europe) but somehow Disney and Jar Jar Abrams made it look utterly stupid. So the control beacon is that easy to destroy and these massive ships are totally helpless without it? Brilliant ripoff of The Phantom Menace and its Droid Control Ship too. And then the arrival of the Resistance ships is just dumb. Why are they so tightly packed? In an atmosphere supposed to be almost impossible to navigate in? Who the fuck are half these people anyway?
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Jar Jar doesn't think beyond "hehe lasers go bzzzt." He can do visuals that look good (when you can see them past the shakycam and any other garbage he puts in front of them), but he doesn't give a rat's ass about any kind of logic with regards to the plot. He thought that the Star Destroyers would look cool all evenly spaced like that, so that's why they are. Battle tactics don't matter to him, it's just whatever he thinks looks cool or badass or whatever. That's why there's no logic with regards to the control beacon (why is there only one tower with the signal, especially when it's as easy as pushing a button to transfer the signal to another ship? why weren't multiple towers built, especially since the Emperor should know the problems of single points of failure from both Death Star destructions? when they figured out that the Resistance changed plans and assaulted the Star Destroyer instead of the tower, why didn't they move the signal back down to the tower after they'd already committed their forces?).
Same answer for the backup ships. Ignore that getting to Exegol was supposed to be a difficult task, and also ignore that it isn't the best place to fly a starship anyway, and definitely don't put those together and realize those ships would probably all smash into each other within seconds. Didn't it look sooooo cooooooool to see hundreds of different ships on screen all at once? Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product!
I know that Hollywood nepotism will mean that Jar Jar will continue getting work until he finally kicks the bucket, but I'd really like if some studio heads would actually bother to watch his movies and understand just how much of a hack he is. At the very least, don't let him anywhere near the writing. Same goes for Rian Johnson, and Robert Orci, and Alex Kurtzman, and whoever the fuck has been running Doctor Who into the dirt, and all these hack frauds that have shat all over sci-fi/fantasy for years, with a recovery seeming increasingly unlikely. Fuck 'em all.
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JJ has now set his sights on two franchises he’ll give the cancer he gave to Star Wars and Star Trek: The Shining and Justice League.
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At least he's not going to touch the DCAU. That's forever Bruce Timm and Paul Dini's purview and no one seemed interested in defiling that particular corpse just yet.
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I’m surprised he hasn’t gone after Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings yet.
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Can JJ come up with his own material and stop raping other franchises?
Tcw episode 9 released and Sam Witner says the last four episodes are best viewed as movie, yet they are still doing the weekly airing. The episode was pretty good overall, though it felt rushed, and just a reminder the last dud of episodes before were pointless, Also they mention the micro series. Funnily they dragged the last batch of episodes to an insufferable level, yet they rushed through the Ahsoka and Anakin reunion right to Mandalore.
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Clearly the actual explaination on the numbers of ships is the limitations of the effects at the time the film was made and yes I would agree that there should have been at least several hundred Imperial ships, you could justify it by saying the Emperor was so overconfident he didnt think he needed anymore than a few ships to crush a small rebel force. Again, how well would 5,000 Star Destroyers actually fare in a space battle? Most would be so far from the action (in all directions as a space battle is not arranged linear) they wouldnt fire a shot and if they could they would be firing through their own ships. The real benifit would be the fighters though, but even this would cause a problem because thousands of fighters could not maneuver around each other that well, especially when there are as few targets as the rebel fleet/fighters. I agree with your overall premise, but I just dont think thousands of ships would be how a space battle would be fought.
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Watching that is what reminded me I hadn't gotten alerts about this thread in awhile.
And a primo selection of tubers there sir. *chef kiss* I'm so glad you're not human because it'd be a shame to kill you.
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There's also the possibility that the number low on purpose for another reason.
Correct me if I'm wrong but in the old EU it was theorized that Palpatine was using the force to directly enhance each ships overall capability and coordination with the rest of the fleet at Endor, which is why the empire's forces fell apart after he died and partly why Thrawn ended up recruiting C'baoth to his side in the Thrawn Trilogy.
So the low number of Star Destroyers could of been something of a test, both in terms of how effective a force controlled fleet could be, and how many ships Palpatine could handle at once.