Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Joker 1940]

Something fucky is going on with the recovery numbers.

According to Worldometer 736,472 out of 2,261,631 or 32% have outcomes. 79% of those recovered 21% of those died.

My local government is saying out of 256 cases, 179 or or 70% have outcomes. More than double. 98.3% are recoveries and 1.7% are deaths.

So what's happening here? Is the local government catching more milder cases that most? Are worldwide recoveries under-reported? Does being a densely populated petri-dish like New York City and getting coofed on on the subway and shit increase the viral load so much outcomes are worse? Any insight?

Something doesn't add up, and like I said before, the government where I am would not be capable over covering up a bunch of deaths given how interconnected everyone is and how gossip goes around so it's not that. If someone is covering something up its a bigger more capable government covering up recoveries for some reason.

If you live in a small population with good healthcare the recovery rates are going to be higher and vice versa, the statistics for densely populated areas with insufficient healthcare are going to see higher mortality rates.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So. Let me give you my thoughts on the whole EU situation:

Spoiler: warning. tism

Up until now it's been fairly obvious the EU was germany's reich. But, how this is developing makes me think there might be other interests at play. Let's go with historical precedents:

Let's be honest. Germany's biggest mistake is it's incapacity to find good allies. I mean holy shit they literally never could make an alliance that didn't backfire. But there's another thing. Germany never managed to keep their allies from getting it into trouble.

-WW1: everyone knows that the reason Germany was so involved was the Kaiser's fear of russian industrialization. But who actually declared war on half the fucking continent? The austro-hungarians, then when the germans joined the allies saw it as a chance to fuck them over, and the ottomans kept triggering random ass countries to join in too. Finally even within the central powers, it was the austrians pissing off the italians every few days. Only one the germans actually pulled into the war was the US-fucking-A.

-WW2: Sure everyone knows the meme that hitler declared war on the fucking planet. But let's assume it, peace between the USSR and the nazis was impossible, and the allies were primed to attack him as soon as they reformed. So if anything it was mostly preemptive attacks, even the polish got into it because france pulled them in, and then abbandoned them, fucking cunts. Who however really did declare war on half the planet? Mussoliny. Mussoliny just kept fucking triggering random people gratuituously until war was impossible, so really, it wasn't the germans pissing everyone off, at least not until the ((((six gorrillion))))

-and now: EVERYONE has reasons to be pissed off at Merkel. Whenever the EU wants to piss someone off Merkel *ejem*NEGOTIATES*ejem* with them, she keeps acting like she owns europe and practically everyone knows she's the most benefitted. But is germany actually the one most benefited? Are the EU laws rigged for it? Well they kind of are, Germany certainly benefits a lot. But the ones that actually benefit the most are france, luxemburg and the netherlands, and most EU regulations are designed at ensuring the satisfaction of france and their moroccan allies. Not germany, they're only really second best here, it's the god damned baguettes that really decide how this cart is pushed, Merkel just ACTS as if she owns the place but its macaronni carbonara that's behind her really.

And just look at this new legislation. France has that reunion where they practically admit they think the EU is plummeting and their strategy will be to grab the money and run with it, and at first the EU tries some bullshit strategy that everyone calls out, then they bend to french interests. And about that strategy everyone called out: who was benefitted again? Not germany, the multinationals. Almost every fucking thing the EU has done about this crisis until now is to benefit the multinational bizzes and the international initiatives every fucking time. Never only germany, germany allways gets a cut, but they never get the real lion's share.

And even this virus. Everyone knows Italy was sold to the chinks. But who actually cooperated with them in the higher levels? The french ministers. Then I have to ask with german media joining everyone else in pointing at china, why it seems the EU is the only one hell bent on protecting those chinese pacts... well. The EU and france of course.

And going back in time, everyone knows how much the HRE sucked, but it wasn't germans in power, it was austrians. Everyone knows how much the holy see sucked, but that was italians, everyone knows about the protestant-catholic wars, but the protestants were guided by the interests of the brits and balkans, and the catholics italy and france. Germany is never the real fucking leader they're just the god damned powerhouse whoever is in power uses to stay in power.

So, for the reasons explained in that tism outbreak, I have to ask is Germany's real issue might be the fact that they make for the perfect fucking fall guys because they're too willing to LOOK like the assholes in charge when really there's almost always someone pulling their fucking strings. Either that or I'm overthinking it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I have to ask is Germany's real issue might be the fact that they make for the perfect fucking fall guys because they're too willing to LOOK like the assholes in charge when really there's almost always someone pulling their fucking strings. Either that or I'm overthinking it.

Spoiler: EU spergery part deux

The EU was envisioned during the great war, as a means to prevent another war on the continent, but was only implemented after world war 2. It was primarmily a French-driven project to cripple Germany by preventing her from having the means to independently produce weapons of war and threaten French interests in Europe, which is why it started as the Coal and Steel Union between Germany and France.

The irony is, Germany did what she always does and made France her bitch. While France was using the EC/EU to create a protectionist shield against foreign agricultural imports, Germany turned the EC/EU into a captive market and supply chain for her industrial base. Each expansion since Maastricht has been used as a way to source cheaper resources for German industry.

Make no mistake though, Germany isn't "in charge" of the Eu any more than France. The EU has its own institutional identity and its own class of "international" citizens inhabiting and running it (no, not Trump's favoured friends, they're all europeans, like Merkel, divorced from identity with their parent nations). The long-term plan for the EU was to abolish national borders and re-organise the continent into regional units with parallel government structures that answered directly to the EU, which would mean that no one member state could act independently of any other, but also that no national identity could be created in the "regions" as they would cross ethnic and national boundaries and mash disparate people-groups together in a way that prevented them forming a coherent demos.

Germany benefited in the same way a kapo would, cooperating in ways that brought her a great deal of comfort and wealth, but ultimately she's still as much a prisoner of the EU as any other member state, and her fate is the same as the rest.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Preliminary results from the Stanford antibody study show that there are 50x-85x more asymptomatic carriers of wuflu than had previously been tested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/antibody-study-suggests-coronavirus-is-far-more-widespread-than-previously-thought

http://archive.is/MmG1M

 

[Rotollo]

And I almost want masks to be a fashion statement akin to that in Asian countries.

countries like japan have it kinda engraved into them to do this, while in the west, america especially, early on into this it was kind of looked down upon.
I never got why though since masks could be cool if paired with the right outfit, then again considering most of the people who wear them are absolute weebs I kinda get why it was looked down upon

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Preliminary results from the Stanford antibody study show that there are 50x-85x more asymptomatic carriers of wuflu than had previously been tested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/antibody-study-suggests-coronavirus-is-far-more-widespread-than-previously-thought

http://archive.li/MmG1M

Would be careful to put too much trust in that study.

Participants are not randomized, they were recruited from Facebook and reported feeling sick at some point prior to the study. Self-selection may affect the outcome.

The test they used was recently developed by Stanford. There's concerns it may give a positive if someone has had any coronavirus, not just Covid-19.

The test and the study need more review.

 

[FatalTater]

Gah! I made the mistake of looking at Facebook (I know I know, in my defense I was drunk) only to be inundated with virtue signaling psychotic head games from New York Liberal Family Members shrieking "For Shame! How dare you wish to leave your hovels! Don't you know how hard Nurses work! Here's one that even saw 4 dead bodies! If You Protest or demand to be let out you will be responsible for those 4 dead bodies. Think how their parents must feel" and similar insane drivel. You just want to scream back at these fools, "at least you have jobs! You know your mortgage will be met. You've put food on your table. "

Much like the last election, Corona Chan has helped me weed out a few unnecessary idiots from my life. Luckily for me they make it easy by posting OMG How Dare U shit.

Some older lady I'm Facebook friends with shared this post from some hysterical liberal boomer page. I read through the comments and it's almost scary how many people believe this shit.

Heh. I keep a list of kids around with that very purpose in mind. Where do I send it?

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

countries like japan have it kinda engraved into them to do this, while in the west, america especially, early on into this it was kind of looked down upon.
I never got why though since masks could be cool if paired with the right outfit, then again considering most of the people who wear them are absolute weebs I kinda get why it was looked down upon

I heard rumors, that people wearing masks in Germany in early March were being insulted in the streets by passersby for some stupid reason.
Similarly, years ago, a friend of mine went to work with a bit of a cold and wore a mask (well, she is a weeb) some colleague asked her why, she explained it, said colleague said that it's remarkable and how nice it was of her to take such care for the others... and then trashtalked her behind her back for just showing off that she's working while having a cold to garner pity or whatever.

Some people are really fucking dumb.

 

[cuddle striker]

Something fucky is going on with the recovery numbers.

According to Worldometer 736,472 out of 2,261,631 or 32% have outcomes. 79% of those recovered 21% of those died.

My local government is saying out of 256 cases, 179 or or 70% have outcomes. More than double. 98.3% are recoveries and 1.7% are deaths.

So what's happening here? Is the local government catching more milder cases that most? Are worldwide recoveries under-reported? Does being a densely populated petri-dish like New York City and getting coofed on on the subway and shit increase the viral load so much outcomes are worse? Any insight?

Something doesn't add up, and like I said before, the government where I am would not be capable over covering up a bunch of deaths given how interconnected everyone is and how gossip goes around so it's not that. If someone is covering something up its a bigger more capable government covering up recoveries for some reason.

When they come in sick:

if they come early, they're either put in a bed or sent home. let's take those who get a bed. most of them are going to need a vent. most of those will be on a vent for over a week. this isn't a fast disease. on a vent, you die over weeks, not days.

some people come in very sick, almost too late. they go right to a vent and will be on it for weeks until they either die or go on to get extubated and do physical rehab. even a week on a vent is long enough to not be able to walk afterward.

the outcome of "recovered" is people off-vent testing negative. our testing capacity is shit. it can't catch up. so there's that- people recovering from the vent who are waiting on a test result, that's a delay.

people on a vent for weeks, that's a delay.

people going home then returning to the hospital a few days later, dying- that's a delay.

it's not a fast disease. you get sick, you're either sick-ish for two weeks, or you're very sick for up to six weeks.

there will be a big difference between cases and resolved cases for a very long time to come. I wouldn't expect anything accurate for months.

edit to add; name me a place where they are testing asymptomatic people on a large scale, and you've named the place with the best statistics

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Our local weatherman has jokes today:

 

[simulated goat]

What if Southern California became its own state after the Mexican American War?

There are some natural divisions in the west that transcend state boundaries. Regional now, but there are nascent states like Cascadia, which is WA and northern OR, Jefferson, which is mid OR to northern third of CA, there is arguably another zone belting CA from Tahoe to Sac to Bay extending from Redding to Fresno or Bakersfield to the south, and a southern CA below that mapwise. These regions are somewhat more coherent than the lines drawn over them. Still what ya gonna do?

 

[Meat Poultry Veg]

So. Let me give you my thoughts on the whole EU situation:

Spoiler: warning. tism

Up until now it's been fairly obvious the EU was germany's reich. But, how this is developing makes me think there might be other interests at play. Let's go with historical precedents:

Let's be honest. Germany's biggest mistake is it's incapacity to find good allies. I mean holy shit they literally never could make an alliance that didn't backfire. But there's another thing. Germany never managed to keep their allies from getting it into trouble.

-WW1: everyone knows that the reason Germany was so involved was the Kaiser's fear of russian industrialization. But who actually declared war on half the fucking continent? The austro-hungarians, then when the germans joined the allies saw it as a chance to fuck them over, and the ottomans kept triggering random ass countries to join in too. Finally even within the central powers, it was the austrians pissing off the italians every few days. Only one the germans actually pulled into the war was the US-fucking-A.

-WW2: Sure everyone knows the meme that hitler declared war on the fucking planet. But let's assume it, peace between the USSR and the nazis was impossible, and the allies were primed to attack him as soon as they reformed. So if anything it was mostly preemptive attacks, even the polish got into it because france pulled them in, and then abbandoned them, fucking cunts. Who however really did declare war on half the planet? Mussoliny. Mussoliny just kept fucking triggering random people gratuituously until war was impossible, so really, it wasn't the germans pissing everyone off, at least not until the ((((six gorrillion))))

-and now: EVERYONE has reasons to be pissed off at Merkel. Whenever the EU wants to piss someone off Merkel *ejem*NEGOTIATES*ejem* with them, she keeps acting like she owns europe and practically everyone knows she's the most benefitted. But is germany actually the one most benefited? Are the EU laws rigged for it? Well they kind of are, Germany certainly benefits a lot. But the ones that actually benefit the most are france, luxemburg and the netherlands, and most EU regulations are designed at ensuring the satisfaction of france and their moroccan allies. Not germany, they're only really second best here, it's the god damned baguettes that really decide how this cart is pushed, Merkel just ACTS as if she owns the place but its macaronni carbonara that's behind her really.

And just look at this new legislation. France has that reunion where they practically admit they think the EU is plummeting and their strategy will be to grab the money and run with it, and at first the EU tries some bullshit strategy that everyone calls out, then they bend to french interests. And about that strategy everyone called out: who was benefitted again? Not germany, the multinationals. Almost every fucking thing the EU has done about this crisis until now is to benefit the multinational bizzes and the international initiatives every fucking time. Never only germany, germany allways gets a cut, but they never get the real lion's share.

And even this virus. Everyone knows Italy was sold to the chinks. But who actually cooperated with them in the higher levels? The french ministers. Then I have to ask with german media joining everyone else in pointing at china, why it seems the EU is the only one hell bent on protecting those chinese pacts... well. The EU and france of course.

And going back in time, everyone knows how much the HRE sucked, but it wasn't germans in power, it was austrians. Everyone knows how much the holy see sucked, but that was italians, everyone knows about the protestant-catholic wars, but the protestants were guided by the interests of the brits and balkans, and the catholics italy and france. Germany is never the real fucking leader they're just the god damned powerhouse whoever is in power uses to stay in power.

So, for the reasons explained in that tism outbreak, I have to ask is Germany's real issue might be the fact that they make for the perfect fucking fall guys because they're too willing to LOOK like the assholes in charge when really there's almost always someone pulling their fucking strings. Either that or I'm overthinking it.

Got a gut feeling that after the EU breaks up, Germany will break up into a thousand petty hamlets like back in the HRE days.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

There are some natural divisions in the west that transcend state boundaries. Regional now, but there are nascent states like Cascadia, which is WA and northern OR, Jefferson, which is mid OR to northern third of CA, there is arguably another zone belting CA from Tahoe to Sac to Bay extending from Redding to Fresno or Bakersfield to the south, and a southern CA below that mapwise. These regions are somewhat more coherent than the lines drawn over them. Still what ya gonna do?

LA and SF will be taken care of by the mother of all earthquakes then we can redraw.

 

[Aqua Panda]

So can confirm that the housing/rental market is chaos right now. I helped sell my folks old place back at the end of January and they dodged a fucking bullet like you wouldn't believe. The realtor we used is practically begging us to refer any friends and family. Home buying has cratered and the people that do show up are scoffing at city places. (Most want rural now.)

I'm really interested to see what is going to happen to rental prices. They have been skyrocketing for the last decade and have needed a correction for awhile now.

 

[Polystyrene Glioblastoma]

So most of the NYC cases are caused by Jews.

 

[simulated goat]

10 million chinks there? They seem so asexual but they multiply like rats. Also they foster disease like rats.

They have horrific mechanichal sex like rats. Explains it.

 

[Never Scored]

Most people will survive the coof. Obese diabetics with asthma or other lung conditions will have a more severe reaction as will the elderly in nursing homes. The fish tank cleaner with certain antibiotics works well for most seriously ill folks. Vents are a death sentences. CPAP machines delivering oxygen work better, Wearing a mask helps. Some people will die from the China-made virus. Orange Man haters are playing politics so they are not trustworthy sources of information; some may be working for the CCP.

Well, I guess that's the part that's confusing me. About a month in, we have 70% of our cases resolved, and 98% of those cleared the virus which is much higher than the stats being provided by NGOs and stuff. When the John Hopkins map was reporting recoveries, we had over 100 recoveries here and they weren't listed, so I kind of suspect there are a lot more than 739,725 people recovered worldwide right now and recoveries are being under reported by the sites collecting data like Worldometers and John Hopkins .

It's also worth noting that my province has extremely high obesity and diabetes rates, so lol America fat is not an explanation. We have a 34% obesity rate to America's 40%.

 

[Exbein]

quick flipland update:
The documentary I am Patient PH 2828, made by the award winning documentary maker Howie Severino is uploaded on youtube. The documentary details his fight against the wuflu when he contracted it. I am currently adding english subtitles so everyone can enjoy it. I'll post the link later after I am finished with it.

 

[FatalTater]

So I saw that #FloridaMorons was trending on twitter so I looked to see wtf Florida was doing that was so bad that people noticed.
It seems to be mostly about the beaches reopening, a move that will surely lead to certain death for all, right? Can't have any fun since Corona Chan thrives on it. Then I went to the You of Tubes and looked at beach livecams. No people on the beach, but there were a few more boats on the water than last week. When can we expect mass casualties?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

So most of the NYC cases are caused by Trump's Chosen People.

It's mostly the older folks keeling over. Like everywhere else. My landlord is a Hasid and he lit a fire under the lazy super so that he cleans the building everyday and disinfects common areas.

Well, I guess that's the part that's confusing me. About a month in, we have 70% of our cases resolved, and 98% of those cleared the virus which is much higher than the stats being provided by NGOs and stuff. When the John Hopkins map was reporting recoveries, we had over 100 recoveries here and they weren't listed, so I kind of suspect there are a lot more than 739,725 people recovered worldwide right now and recoveries are being under reported by the sites collecting data like Worldometers and John Hopkins .

It's also worth noting that my province has extremely high obesity and diabetes rates, so lol America fat is not an explanation. We have a 34% obesity rate to America's 40%.

Much like China, NYC has horrid air quality and environmental issues (I had to buy air purifers for the apartment). That might be enough to push people over the coronavirus edge. And as a native Californian I was absolutely shocked at the bad eating habits here, fresh food is not on menu and expense is not the main cause, it's habit so there's that. I used to buy from a patisserie because I loved their custard and the owner told me he uses real cream, eggs and sugar and most places do not. I was genuinely shocked. Years of bad food and chemicals can't be good for you and if you have a bunch of other diseases, well, even a mild flu can kill you.

I suspect there is a particular factor that causes severe illness/death that we don't know about yet. Some trigger that sets it off. Maybe if the chinks had been upfront about it from the beginning we'd be near a vaccine/therapy for it, it's going to take months to years to figure it out.