Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Quijibo69]

Well yea, it's NPR, might as well be Democracy Now or CNN.

More like NPC radio.....

 

[Aib Ld]

Not knowing what Georgia's COVID-19 stats are, this sounds prudent on the surface because it allows some stuff to resume under lessened but reasonable restrictions. One hopes that other states, especially those with numbers similar to Georgia's, take notice to see whether it would be prudent for them to follow suit as soon as they're able.

GA is around 19k cases. The reason for so many was four things.
1. Two funerals. This was a half exception since this happened before the Corona situation was known to the world. It also happened on the tine where the nasty cold was around. By the time they found out its not the cold and Corona was known, cases already blown up.
2. Kemp admitted he didn't know the virus was transmittable, despite he lives right next to a CDC location. What?
3. Sheer stupidity of people. One of the cities there (Albany?) used to be the top spot of high crime rates and high poverty of all time. That spot quickly became a hotspot.
4. Atlanta's airports. Atlanta is a pretty popular metro hub.
Not sure if GA is in the peak, though. A lot of factors made that hard to tell.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

So question, how are other states unemployment systems fairing in the US? - because this whole thing has shown up Florida's unemployment system to be an absolute mess.

I haven't personally interacted with CA's unemployment system, but from what friends tell me, both the phone system and website crashed badly after the lockdown. After spending multiple days fighting it, people are starting to get checks, and they seem generally happy with them. One friend said she's getting half her previous income. They're also trying to work out provisions for the massive net of freelancers cast adrift when the film and gig industry had to shut down.

 

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BREAKING: Trump Announces He'll Suspend Immigration Into the U.S.

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In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!


Trump pulls the pin and now the fun begins.

What's great about this is the DNC has spent the past few weeks basically claiming he didn't close the borders hard enough, fast enough, yadda yadda, after screaming RACIST!!! when he closed the border to China in January.

So now they're gonna have to switch tracks again, all while Trump and his base get to scream loudly that they're changing their tune, again.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Yeah, that's because every state has different conditions and regulations. Things became serious more rapidly in places like New York and Illinois because they have more densely populated areas, but even relatively less populated regions have become hotspots or heavy strain & shortages on medical resources due to income disparity and state policy for handling the virus.

I actually view this as a difficulty for the US, because when a single state shits the bed from doing asinine shit, it sucks up massive resources nationally, which then weaken other states. We saw this acutely when New York state was in panic mode.

Then why did you bring up New York as an example of "hospitals being overwhelmed" throughout the entire country?

the type of people you're referring to wouldn't (and probably genuinely shouldn't) get healthcare if "things go back to normal" either because they'd be at risk and not in critical need of care, so this is a moot point as far as I'm concerned. unless by "back to normal" you really genuinely mean that we just pretend none of this is happening, in which case those people are certainly fucked, along with whatever people need inpatient care and are unable to receive it from overloaded hospital systems. you're just saying "there's a bad aspect to what we're doing now, so we should do this other thing instead" without any assessment of what bad aspects come from your own plan. There is no normal anymore. Longing for it to be doesn't change anything. It's just kind of sad for your own wellbeing, tbh.

do you not have any thoughts on a nationalized hospital option for underserviced areas? this problem exists normally in certain rural areas anyway, even without the virus. hospitals make more money setting up in bigger cities, so they don't bother wasting resources on those communities.

"Genuinely shouldn't get healthcare" ... ? You mean like routine checkups (which all healthcare professionals recommend, depending on what your needs are), which help people know what their overall health is and what steps they need to take to stay healthy?

And bringing up nationalized hospitals is not the topic of discussion. Stop trying to deviate from it.

The current plan we are dealing with in combating this virus, in my opinion, is showing signs of leading to unintended consequences that I'm concerned about. And I'm not at all sorry for being concerned about it.

I feel like this exchange is just us talking in circles at this point.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

It IS a big deal. But it’s manageable and it’s not the andromeda strain. Total lockdown is a sledgehammer approach and it can only be the right thing to do in very specific times and places - if somewhere is spiralling out of control fast and only for very short periods of time.
The approach needs to be science informed and flexible. I can’t believe I’m defending trump and Sweden so much these days but sweden is right - you have to have a strategy that’s informed by science. Löfven is deferring to the scientists completely. That’s pretty rare. And the scientists there are not recommending lockdown. They’re saying small incremental steps and admitting where they’ve fucked up (like the old folks homes.) They’re also saying that as the situation changes the measures taken may need to change. It’s been interesting to see. I’m usually the first to dunk on sweden because they drive me insane, but here, I think they’re right.
Even more interesting is them still doing that when the WHO is leaning on them and Europe is too. There must be massive pressure to not do it, because of it works, it’s going to make everyone who was locked down ask why.

The problem we've got is that the UK's office of national stats reported a statistically significant rise in deaths for this time of year. With the Lolcow City of London reporting a staggering 46% increase via Kung flu Deaths. So when you put the numbers and stats that starkly, it seems locking down was the right thing to do. God knows what would've happened here had it been left unchecked. Easily a doubling of deaths via the Bat Flu Cough, I suspect.

I may have mentioned one of my relatives voluntarily went to a Communist country and became a member of that country's Politburo and her children explained to me what it was like living there with her (they all left to live in a not-communist country). Committed communists believe the People are child-like beings who must be led by a wise and informed vanguard of the proletariat. Western degeneracy and propaganda must not be allowed to poison their simple minds; therefore, the vanguard must have a system for identifying and correcting, if necessary, any thoughts or behavior that may endanger the well being of the State and its People. Thus, the necessity of the Communist surveillance state.

I am certain the Chinese learned what happened almost immediately but the problem arose when local and regional leaders were told to deal with it and instead tried covering it up, hoping to contain it so that Beijing wouldn't get involved further. Of course that didn't work so now China is trying to deal with the fallout and doing a poor job, to say the least.

Endangering the State and the Revolution is a capital crime against the People. Heads are rolling over this (the doctor that alerted his colleagues is one example).

Unfortunately this is also the attitude of many on the "liberal" side of the argument. People are uncontrollable, greedy and child like and thus need the state to come in and meddle fucking constanly look after them for their own protection. It's why there's so much rage directed towards the old and the poor at the moment because they've decided that the chuckle fucks in charge of their more traditional allegiances are no longer serving them, and ironically the other side has happily filled the power vaccum thus created.

People with that attitude are just protestors larping as government employees.

They made themselves unprofitable by being shite. I won’t be shedding any tears for the guardian, which as of a few years back had a BILLION QUID in a trust that was supposed to ensure it’s future forever. Insert joke about socialists and other people’s money here.
It’s a shame because they used to be a good paper, albeit left leaning, and they do have a few really good old school investigative journalists still on the books amidst the click bait.
Fuck knows what the interest is a year on a billion quid but I’m sure it’s more than enough To run a newspaper.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The Guardian at one point during the 70s through to the widespread use of computers used to be so poor on its spellingcheck that people who get the joke, or read Private Eye still refer to it as the "Granuiad" because that was one of its most amusing, and regular typos.

It was a good paper back in the day but we're talking 70+ years ago.

 

[Otterly]

n your opinion, is it likely that active research is being done now on the exact mechanism of the illness as you mentioned. Blood issues, whatever?
Or are they likely to be still firefighting and rushing around. Are there too many interesting lines of enquirey for the number of suitable research teams.
You are in the medical lab research field , so you might have heard on the grapevine if anybody's looking at this.

Yeah totally, I think people are firefighting. Also you can’t just treat people in that maverick way any more - much less get a trial going. I’m aware of over 100 trials for various COVID related things. Most are some combination of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine or similar, antivirals, immune modulators. There are quite a few looking at whether inhaled corticosteroids are good or bad and there are several just looking at local standard of care, or specific things like colchicine for heart patients. The only thing I’m aware of that’s specifically blood related is a small trial looking at A colony stimulating factor in the elderly. there’s nothing specifically directed towards oxidative stress. I can see why. It’s easy enough for me to tinker with a theory but if you’ve got a bunch of people in your HDU who are going to die you arent

Do you have anything to back up this claim? Comparatively, I mean. The number of people dying & suffering by making things "getting back to normal" vs. the number of people dying and suffering via taking other options. Do you have any solid support for this?

this is really interesting because I was looking for a number for excess deaths in the 2008 recession last week and I got vastly different opinions on it. It seems that it depends what you’re looking at. There are figures for between 260-500,000 excess cancer related deaths in wealthy nations: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)00577-8/fulltext
Archive: https://archive.li/3CGR7

but, there are also studies showing that all-cause mortality decreases during economic contractions. Road traffic deaths drop, pollution related deaths and some stress related deaths, particularly in women. It’s also seasonal so perhaps flu etc spreads less when everyone isn’t crammed together on the tube commuting?
Here’s that study:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-08539-w
Archive: https://archive.li/6js2d

In short, no one knows. I suspect it’ll be variable depending on deaths from what, in who, where you look and on what time frame. You’d expect a lag for example from an economic expansion period starting to the real effects of it being felt by the ordinary person. Also many health issues are long term ones and manifest years after exposure to an event.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Usual weekend dip seems to have appeared yesterday in the figures:

501,379 Tested (+19,316)

124,743 Positive (+4,676)

16,509 Dead (+449)

We'll see later if it becomes a trend. I doubt it.

 

[Maurice Caine]

Usual weekend dip seems to have appeared yesterday in the figures:

501,379 Tested (+19,316)

124,743 Positive (+4,676)

16,509 Dead (+449)

We'll see later if it becomes a trend. I doubt it.

That's roughly a 20% death rate? That's kinda serious, isn't it?

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

That's roughly a 20% death rate? That's kinda serious, isn't it?

The UK also tests differently, most of those cases are already in hospital. So a lot of the deaths are people with severe underlying conditions that basically cause the Kung Flu to be a death sentance.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Not to dance on this man's grave or anything, but doesn't this give strong support to the 0.1% CFR that we've all been guessing?
I assume that Spain is testing all health workers, or is it just all workers with any symptoms? Whichever, out of a known population you've had 1 in 1000 deaths. There's been so much speculation and guessing about asymptomatic and mild cases, this seems like a strong data point .

Yep. Mortality is really fucking low. The number of asymptomatics under controlled conditions and in a population less likely to do stupid shit is in fact ginormous.

In your opinion, is it likely that active research is being done now on the exact mechanism of the illness as you mentioned. Blood issues, whatever?
Or are they likely to be still firefighting and rushing around. Are there too many interesting lines of enquirey for the number of suitable research teams.
You are in the medical lab research field , so you might have heard on the grapevine if anybody's looking at this.

I know we like to keep patting ourselves on our backs in this thread for being ahead of the curve, but by now the bigger organisations of states should have been fired up and pointed in the right direction.

I already linked the isciii library. I can tell you over here they're literally measung every little fucking thing they can. It seems only people whose blood melts is either those who got so extreme that we expected randomass issues to start popping up as the body literally can't take it anymore, and chinks. I propose that indeed the reason why this is the case, is that China's atmospheric and environmental conditions are so alien that they cannot be counted as humans anymore, they are pollution goblins, and therefore you can't assume their biology not to reflect this status.

These guys wont be allowed in McDonald's anymore

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They're puting viri in the air, that turn the freaking chinks black! Don't you understand that?!

 

[northstar747]

In the US they have shut down most medical care to reserve space for WuFlu cases.
Even in states with under 1,000 total cases.
California with almost the population of the UK is shut down with under 1,100 dead.

The decision makers aren't being rational at all so predicting what they are actually doing rn? *shrugs*

one interesting aspect of this is who was catching the wuflu. basically people who could afford to travel and who socialized with eachother.

Our elites are a incestuous lot and shake hands and socialize and meet. Someone pass through an airport goes to a fun raiser etc. This illness was ignored in the US till three things happened. 1) people in the political ranks started to be exposed. 2) THE NBA CANCELED BASKETBALL thus killing the "its no big deal" MSM spine. 3) the shit show in italy.

No leader wants to ever ever have the "Failure to deal with a pandemic on its head" it would be to real for their enemies to say they are the reason grandma died.

So yeah I dont expect much positive reacion from our leaders they arent gonna be that good in an emergency

 

[2021Murder]

Its amazing how quickly shit hit the fan with the NBA. Didnt they cancel the whole season mid game?

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Another attack ad from the Trump campaign, this time on Pelosi. This one is better than the last one on Biden

”𝑳𝒆𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒎 𝒆𝒂𝒕 𝒊𝒄𝒆 𝒄𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎.” - 𝑵𝒂𝒏𝒄𝒚 𝑨𝒏𝒕𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒆𝒕𝒕𝒆

Americans are losing their jobs since the virus rocked the economy. Nancy Pelosi blocks funding for people to keep getting paychecks. But she’s got a $24K fr...

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https://archive.vn/QVKTI

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Another attack ad from the Trump campaign, this time on Pelosi. This one is better than the last one on Biden

”𝑳𝒆𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒎 𝒆𝒂𝒕 𝒊𝒄𝒆 𝒄𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎.” - 𝑵𝒂𝒏𝒄𝒚 𝑨𝒏𝒕𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒆𝒕𝒕𝒆

Americans are losing their jobs since the virus rocked the economy. Nancy Pelosi blocks funding for people to keep getting paychecks. But she’s got a $24K fr...

www.youtube.com

https://archive.vn/QVKTI

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I, for one, enjoyed the complete lack of actual content in this ad.

 

[irishAzoth]

Just wondering if this is some real stuff
apparently the WHO and Gates Foundation has some accounts leaked
I have no idea if this is real or spergs from ppl who are tired of the lockdown and have nothing else to do

MARTIN ERLIĆ 🇭🇷 on Twitter

“So the Gates Foundation, WHO and Wuhan Institute of Virology have all been hacked and people are logging in via SSH and downloading everything, and I mean everything.”

twitter.com

https://archive.is/JIJ2b#selection-441.40-334.36

https://archive.is/j6sgo

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I, for one, enjoyed the complete lack of actual content in this ad.

It's just mocking her for showing off her expensive fridge full of expensive ice cream at the time she was blocking a refill of the Paycheck Protection Program for dubious reasons

https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-more-paycheck-protection-11587079767

https://archive.vn/ZYVoi

In a joint statement Monday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called for “further changes” to the Paycheck Protection Program, plus “significantly increased” funding for disaster grants and loans, plus “additional support” for the food-stamp program, plus “adequate funding” for nationwide virus testing and personal protective equipment, plus “the collection and publication of demographic data” so that “we can accurately determine the level of impact on under-served communities and communities of color.”

Identity politics and the social pork barrel trump jobs and business solvency.

And it frames it into an 'uncaring, sybaritic elite refuse to help the poor who are literally starving' narrative, which is a trope often used in Hollywood movies and is ingrained into the public consciousness. I think it's an effective attack ad.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

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The City of New York is a mess with dead bodies piling up but the degenerate fag parade is canceled? STOP THE PRESSES!
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There was a column in the Times today that outright called for the government to permanently track us even after the pandemic’s ended.
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Make it mandatory for voting and watch them change their minds in a nanosecond.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It's just mocking her for showing off her expensive fridge full of expensive ice cream at the time she was blocking a refill of the Paycheck Protection Program for dubious reasons

https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-more-paycheck-protection-11587079767

https://archive.vn/ZYVoi



And it frames it into an 'uncaring, sybaritic elite refuse to help the poor who are literally starving' narrative, which is a trope often used in Hollywood movies and is ingrained into the public consciousness. I think it's an effective attack ad.

I agree, it is very effective, but when you really look at it, it offers nothing aside from "Pelosi is bad". It doesn't promote anything, it doesn't suggest a solution for anything, it doesn't support any course of action or demand anything.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I agree, it is very effective, but when you really look at it, it offers nothing aside from "Pelosi is bad". It doesn't promote anything, it doesn't suggest a solution for anything, it doesn't support any course of action or demand anything.

All those Hollywood movies have primed people with the notion that if you have a sybaritic elite ruling over you and you overthrow them, things will be 100% fine with no downside. Even though historically this is a dubious proposition at best.