Apple Thread - The most overrated technology brand?

[CreamyHerman’s]

So I decided to Pre-order a iPhone SE 2020 model with airpods 2, feel free to call me a Appfag

 

[Bender]

So I decided to Pre-order a iPhone SE 2020 model with airpods 2, feel free to call me a Appfag

You made a purchase with your own money and, while I may personally believe that the purchase you made wasn't a good one, I will accept your decision to spend your own money on what you like. I won't call you an Appfag, because people like different things and they're entitled to.

That said, you're a cunt.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

You made a purchase with your own money and, while I may personally believe that the purchase you made wasn't a good one, I will accept your decision to spend your own money on what you like. I won't call you an Appfag, because people like different things and they're entitled to.

That said, you're a cunt.

I think the specs might be worth it, especially if it's the same chip that beats the snapdragon 865. I have Mi A3 for context so it will be faster by default.

Yeah, you're not wrong about me being a cunt.

 

[SIGSEGV]

What's a computer?

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

What's a computer?

It's a miserable pile of Circuits!

 

[Beavis]

I think the specs might be worth it, especially if it's the same chip that beats the snapdragon 865. I have Mi A3 for context so it will be faster by default.

Yeah, you're not wrong about me being a cunt.

$399 for a phone with apple’s latest processor that will be updated for at least 5-6 years is pretty good. If you paid that much for a phone running android you’d be lucky to get two updates.

What's a computer?

Is it a pad? Is it a phone?

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

$399 for a phone with apple’s latest processor that will be updated for at least 5-6 years is pretty good. If you paid that much for a phone running android you’d be lucky to get two updates.

Funny enough, I didn't realize there are updates to Android until I got a mate SE (loved that phone) I think most Android phones have definitely improved on updates though, at least 3 years.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

So I decided to Pre-order a iPhone SE 2020 model with airpods 2, feel free to call me a Appfag

Have fun paying over the odds for shit tier earbuds that leak sound everywhere because of Apple's vainglorious "courage" in deviating from a standard that everyone used because it just worked.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Have fun paying over the odds for shit tier earbuds that leak sound everywhere because of Apple's vainglorious "courage" in deviating from a standard that everyone used because it just worked.

I got the airpods at a discount, I know folks at Snapple. My 2 irl buds tell me constantly that they sound great one is a audiophile. I am curious, and I can return them if I find them not up to snuff anytime.

 

[Pissmaster]

The iPhone SE looks okay for an iPhone, though I know several people whose feet are firmly planted in the 4" phone best phone zone, and I know they won't like it being the same size as the iPhone 6. But hey, no face ID and no notch BS. Those are two big pluses.

There was a recent LTT WAN show where he talked about the SE 2020's battery being like 1800-some mAh, which is pretty tiny for a modern phone. So hopefully that'll be enough to get you through the day.

airpods 2

Even if I liked the look of those, knowing the shape of the Earpods, I still couldn't use them. One of my ears fits them perfectly and the other doesn't, and just won't keep it in.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

I mentioned to my apple cult buddy that I'm not getting apple care or iCloud, he flipped his shit on me. Never seen the man get so defensive over a product

 

[Pissmaster]

I mentioned to my apple cult buddy that I'm not getting apple care or iCloud, he flipped his shit on me. Never seen the man get so defensive over a product

Sounds about right. I knew a couple of people who moved to Cupertino to work at Apple too, and they became snobby pieces of shit when they moved. The first guy I knew got a job there back in the Steve Jobs days, and his lamenting of Jobs' death had serious vibes of when Kim Jong Il died and countless NK citizens were sobbing.

I'd love to post more about them, but the long of the short of it is that they got Trump Degrangement Syndrome hard and became interchangeable bugmen with no unique thoughts and opinions of their own. One of em was a really close friend of mine, and he basically acted like he had been bodysnatched, acting suddenly catty and retarded, and eventually blocking me because I dared questioned his chicken little reaction to Trump winning. Not gonna lie, it hurt, still does, but, fuck it. Mother of God would I love to post his bullshit somewhere here on Kiwi if it wouldn't powerlevel the fuck out of me. He always had a bit of a creepy edge to him, kinda like bronies before bronies.

 

[Marco Fucko]

So the long-rumored switch to ARM might start in 2021, according to Bloomberg:

Bloomberg: Apple's First ARM Mac to Launch by 2021 With 12-Core Processor

In line with a timeframe shared by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo last month, Bloomberg today reports that Apple is planning to release at least one Mac with...

www.macrumors.com

Apple Aims to Sell Macs With Its Own Chips Starting in 2021 - Bloombe…

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This is kind of exciting considering the A12 beats an i7 equipped MacBook Pro. Nothing is ever smooth in the first gen, though. I think it took them around 5 years of internal development to go from PowerPC to x86, IIRC.

 

[LegoTugboat]

A bit of Apple Arcade news, Kiwis.

The Oceanhorn 2 developers, which was one of the launch titles for the service, have announced that they've reached the 1 million unique players mark on the 20th of April, which is honestly a pretty bloody good achievement for an indie title.

(tl;dr, Oceanhorn was originally released exclusively for iPad, but came to mobile, console and PC later on, and was described as basically a love letter to The Wind Waker, you can find the original on Steam, but the sequel's still exclusive to Apple stuff for now.)

 

[Least Concern]

So the long-rumored switch to ARM might start in 2021, according to Bloomberg:

Bloomberg: Apple's First ARM Mac to Launch by 2021 With 12-Core Processor

In line with a timeframe shared by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo last month, Bloomberg today reports that Apple is planning to release at least one Mac with...

www.macrumors.com

https://archive.li/lXlMO

This is kind of exciting considering the A12 beats an i7 equipped MacBook Pro. Nothing is ever smooth in the first gen, though. I think it took them around 5 years of internal development to go from PowerPC to x86, IIRC.

I'm not sure how to feel about ARMacs. Most of what I do for work can be done with an ARM with no problems, and if that means I can have an affordable laptop which can last an intercontinental flight with juice to spare, that would be great. But I already use my laptop at a desk far more often than away from one, and there's one big, big element of my work that I couldn't do with ARM: virtualizing a Windows machine to test stuff. If any of you remember back in the PowerPC days when we had to emulate Intel machines rather than just virtualizing them… It worked, but it was dog slow, and I'd rather not have to do that sort of thing again just to get a bit of work done.

There's also the fact that there'd probably be even fewer big-name games being ported over given that the different architecture would make that more difficult. There'd be some hope if/when big engines like Unity and Unreal get ported over, but my Steam wishlist is already getting crowded with Windows titles I'm watching in the hope that a Mac port eventually gets announced… not to mention that my entire current Steam library would be unplayable anyway (whatever games are left after the big 32-bit purge in the first place…)

I think my fantasy system would have both an Intel chip and an ARM chip, kind of the same way that some of Apple's laptops have both the Intel integrated graphics and a discrete graphics chip. Newer Mac-native apps or apps which don't need much power can run on the ARM, but older apps, Windows ports, virtual machines, and power-hungry apps can run on the Intel. As ARM chips can be made in-house-ish by Apple and are less expensive to manufacture than Intel chips, theoretically such a system wouldn't be that much more expensive than a system which just has an Intel chip. This is probably a pipe dream, though; I imagine there'd be some serious architectural issues Apple's engineers would have to work out. But it would be a way to make this transition without having to leave anything behind (not that Apple has cared about that sort of thing in the past).

 

[Never Scored]

Here's my theory:

They are working toward combining the Mac and iPad lines.

Check this article out. Macs are 10% of revenue. ipads are 8% of revenue. They make the same amount selling services as they do Macs and ipads combined this point. iphone is over half of their revenue. Switching to arm is about being able to share software development resources between ipad and Mac, because neither line makes enough to justify having dedicated teams developing software for them.

The writing has been on the wall for a while now. The inability to upgrade simple things like ram in Macs. Blocking non-approved third party applications by default in Mac OS. iPad apps for Mac. The introduction of iPad OS which allows multitasking and has mouse support. Safari on iPad OS shows desktop sites by default now. It all points to a convergence of the product lines. The ipad and mac are increasingly treading on each other's toes. The Mac is gradually becoming more like an ipad and the ipad is gradually becoming more like a Mac. Eventually they're going to meet somewhere in the middle.

It makes sense Your average consumer doesn't give two shits about having a full desktop OS anymore, and you average business user or power user is just going to use a PC. Your average consumer doesn't even use a desktop computer at home anymore and only cares about having a screen that turns on a let's them post to social media and watch videos. Most people who need some important Windows program to run a business just get a Windows machine. In my experience, most type-A upper management types are rocking a Microsoft Surface/iPhone combo, for example. Most hardcore gamers prefer to build their own desktop. Outside of those two markets, you're chasing a shrinking niche of casual users who still want a desktop and a handful of hardcore users who like OS X.

 

[Least Concern]

[your] average business user or power user is just going to use a PC.

You're right about everything up to here. There still are a wide swath of professionals, myself included, in fields like multimedia production and web development who will continue to buy Apple hardware until the grave, if it's available for us to buy. There's not many of us but we are stubbornly (perhaps foolishly) loyal. And Apple recently acknowledged our existence when they ditched the dumb trash can Mac Pro for the decent, if comically expensive, Cheese Grater 2.

 

[Never Scored]

You're right about everything up to here. There still are a wide swath of professionals, myself included, in fields like multimedia production and web development who will continue to buy Apple hardware until the grave, if it's available for us to buy. There's not many of us but we are stubbornly (perhaps foolishly) loyal. And Apple recently acknowledged our existence when they ditched the dumb trash can Mac Pro for the decent, if comically expensive, Cheese Grater 2.

My professional life is devoid of anything creative so I'll take your word for it. Still, I don't think that market is big enough to save the Mac from morphing into iPad deluxe in the end.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

My professional life is devoid of anything creative so I'll take your word for it. Still, I don't think that market is big enough to save the Mac from morphing into iPad deluxe in the end.

They'll probably start by watering it down. First it'll be aimed at professional users, then it'll be aimed at "professional" users (i.e. posers), then it'll be aimed at "prosumers," i.e. fanboys. With each iteration it'll get more expensive and lower in quality.

 

[a_lurker]

the changover to arm is a good move IMO, if they can turdpolish their software well enough that it feels the same and remains compatible-enough to not break anything.

Arm is cheap, fast enough for most of the silly shit stupid people use computers for, and with proper tweaking can run a long fucking time on very little power.

I look forward to laughing at people who wind up getting assmad that they have to charge their iphone every day, but their arm based macbook air can run for 3 fucking days because the mobo is the size of a condom wrapper and the rest of the goddamned thing is a battery.