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[The Pink Panther]

Well shit. The reboot to Ducktales got the SJW treatment with two gay dads and One Million Moms is fucking pissed.

https://www.them.us/story/one-million-moms-ducktales-protest/

GET THESE FAGGOT DUCKS OUT OF MY DICKSNEY CARTOONS.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Well... there's the She-Ra reboot, Sugartime! from Postcards from Buster, Scootaloo's dyke aunts from MLP: FiM and The Loud House.

Ever heard about how your second example caused such a shitstorm at the time it led to the show being cancelled?

 

[Trombonista]

@Cyril Sneer why do hate gays and blacks being in cartoons?

 

[Marissa Moira]

Honestly I won't be happy until i see gay socialist transgendered black muslims who are all married to a harem of dolphins and wolves.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Scootaloo's dyke aunts from MLP: FiM

Ah yes, the old "let's slip in the homo bullshit halfway through the pre-ordained last season of the series" ploy...

@Cyril Sneer why do hate gays and blacks being in cartoons?

1: as I've said before, there's no good reason to have any intimation of homosexuality in programming aimed at children.

2: I don't hate blacks being in cartoons, I hate Miles Morales. Important distinction.

 

[The Pink Panther]

2: I don't hate blacks being in cartoons, I hate Miles Morales. Important distinction. ☝

But why?

It's not as if he's a bad character or anything. The worst you can say about him is that he's kind of a generic screwup main character of sorts. Yeah, they used it as the big advertising ploy, but I don't think it was "forceful diversity" or "raceswapping". The whole film was about how in different universes there are different Spidermen/women and they all come together to fight one big baddie and shit. If you hate Miles, might as well hate Gwen, Spider-Ham, and that animu girl.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

On the subject of cartoon niggers I just finished season 2 of the Boondocks. Its some pretty good shit

 

[Cyril Sneer]

But why?

It's not as if he's a bad character or anything. The worst you can say about him is that he's kind of a generic screwup main character of sorts. Yeah, they used it as the big advertising ploy, but I don't think it was "forceful diversity" or "raceswapping".

See below.

Not a fan of the implicit-bordering-on-explicit "white replacement" aspect to Miles as a character in relation to Peter, which Lord and Miller (I would assume unintentionally) basically doubled down on, not only retaining the "Miles replaces Peter after Peter bites the big one" thing from the comics (after oh-so-conveniently getting bitten by a random radioactive spider; damn things are practically an infestation these days) but then compounding it by bringing in washed-up "Peter B. Parker" to act as Miles' and Gwen's mentor, which plays into the idea that "The Future is Female (and Black), Bigot!" but don't you stale, pale males dare go gently into that good night without mentoring and legitimizing the appropriation of your legacy by the up-and-coming black/female future-types (risk of getting Me-Too'd by the latter notwithstanding). Conclude with Miles as the new, improved Spider-Man, having manifested new abilities whilst taking possession of his deceased predecessor's name, job, power-set, costume (or a pointedly black variant thereof) and, if the rumors about the proposed sequel hold any water, original girlfriend.

Also:

But why?
The whole film was about how in different universes there are different Spidermen/women and they all come together to fight one big baddie and shit. If you hate Miles, might as well hate Gwen, Spider-Ham, and that animu girl.

Why do assume that I don't? If you follow the link back to my post that I quoted, you'll note that I refer to such multiverse stories featuring alternate universe versions of the same character (or character concept, at least) interacting with each other as "lazy and decadent writing."

 

[The Pink Panther]

Why do assume that I don't? If you follow the link back to my post that I quoted, you'll note that I refer to such multiverse stories featuring alternate universe versions of the same character (or character concept, at least) interacting with each other as "lazy and decadent writing."

But why? It's a fun concept.

It can often be a good way to show the contrast in what different people are like in different universes or whatnot.

 

[Trombonista]

But why?

It's not as if he's a bad character or anything. The worst you can say about him is that he's kind of a generic screwup main character of sorts. Yeah, they used it as the big advertising ploy, but I don't think it was "forceful diversity" or "raceswapping". The whole film was about how in different universes there are different Spidermen/women and they all come together to fight one big baddie and shit. If you hate Miles, might as well hate Gwen, Spider-Ham, and that animu girl.

Also, the whole movie was about Miles Morales earning the right to be called Spiderman. He needed to prove his worth and at the end he did.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Also, the whole movie was about Miles Morales earning the right to be called Spiderman. He needed to prove his worth and at the end he did.

And another thing:


HOLY SHIT, WHY DID THIS MOVIE HAVE TO LOOK SO GOOD?! HOLY FUCK THE VISUAL ASPECTS OF IT ARE JUST FUCKING IMPRESSIVE! THE COMIC BOOK ESQUE ART WITH A POST-MODERN FEEL AND THE CGI WITHIN IT, OHMIGOD, I LOVE THIS MOVIE'S VISUALS SO FUCKING MUCH!

 

[Private Pyle]

Also, the whole movie was about Miles Morales earning the right to be called Spiderman. He needed to prove his worth and at the end he did.

This is actually a major step up from the comics and one reason why I prefer ITSV Miles over comic Miles. I honestly have no problems with the movie itself, any gruff I have is with the toxic fanbase it somehow managed to somehow gather and that’s not the fault of the movie in anyway.

And another thing:


HOLY SHIT, WHY DID THIS MOVIE HAVE TO LOOK SO GOOD?! HOLY FUCK THE VISUAL ASPECTS OF IT ARE JUST FUCKING IMPRESSIVE! THE COMIC BOOK ESQUE ART WITH A POST-MODERN FEEL AND THE CGI WITHIN IT, OHMIGOD, I LOVE THIS MOVIE'S VISUALS SO FUCKING MUCH!

This will probably be the best movie Sony Animation will make in a long, long while.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

But why? It's a fun concept.

It can often be a good way to show the contrast in what different people are like in different universes or whatnot.

It's a pretty good sign that you're getting desperate for story ideas when you start contemplating that sort of thing. I like alternate universe characters, as it happens; in fact, I'm more a fan of Miguel O'Hara as Spider-Man (at least during the original 2099 run) than I am Peter Parker. However, there was a poignancy to Spider-Man 2099 in that he was taking on the mantle of a long-dead legend: a man whom he never knew and could never really know. An inspiration, but an effervescent and forever untouchable one, like a sort of superhero Platonic Ideal. Allowing the two to meet and interact via the Horrendous Space Kablooie of the week just destroys that completely.

Also, the whole movie was about Miles Morales earning the right to be called Spiderman. He needed to prove his worth and at the end he did.

That's irrelevant to my argument.

 

[Yamma Damma]

Speak of the spider devil: Spiderverse 2 got pushed back a few months. Original date was April 8th.

Cyril I get what you're saying but Spiderverse was the kick in the ass cinematic-Spiderman needed. Hell, it got people to actually like Miles and Gwen outside of cosplay-fodder. It's capeshit, they'll go to the fucking DMV if it means a new story to molk fanbucks from. Your favorites will get their day in the sun, changing trends and Wuflu be damned.

 

[Private Pyle]

It's a pretty good sign that you're getting desperate for story ideas when you start contemplating that sort of thing. I like alternate universe characters, as it happens; in fact, I'm more a fan of Miguel O'Hara as Spider-Man (at least during the original 2099 run) than I am Peter Parker. However, there was a poignancy to Spider-Man 2099 in that he was taking on the mantle of a long-dead legend: a man whom he never knew and could never really know. An inspiration, but an effervescent and forever untouchable one, like a sort of superhero Platonic Ideal. Allowing the two to meet and interact via the Horrendous Space Kablooie of the week just destroys that completely.

That's irrelevant to my argument.

Not to spoil anything but as a fellow Miguel O’Hara fan; if you saw Into the Spider-Verse all the way through to the very end, there’s a good reason to be excited for the sequel. Speaking of which.

Speak of the spider devil: Spiderverse 2 got pushed back a few months. Original date was April 8th.
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Cyril I get what you're saying but Spiderverse was the kick in the ass cinematic-Spiderman needed. Hell, it got people to actually like Miles and Gwen outside of cosplay-fodder. It's capeshit, they'll go to the fucking DMV if it means a new story to molk fanbucks from. Your favorites will get their day in the sun, changing trends and Wuflu be damned.

I still remember how much salt generated from the Spider-Verse and Voltron fandom when it turned out that the showrunners from Legendary Defender were in charge of the sequel and spin offs. It got to they point that they were legitimately expecting Spider-Verse 2 to be this racist/sexist fest and swearing off the franchise.

Fandom speeding aside, I’m cautiously optimistic with JDS and LM and I hope the sequels keep the same quality as the first movie.

 

[PopRocks]

Not to spoil anything but as a fellow Miguel O’Hara fan; if you saw Into the Spider-Verse all the way through to the very end, there’s a good reason to be excited for the sequel. Speaking of which.

I still remember how much salt generated from the Spider-Verse and Voltron fandom when it turned out that the showrunners from Legendary Defender were in charge of the sequel and spin offs. It got to they point that they were legitimately expecting Spider-Verse 2 to be this racist/sexist fest and swearing off the franchise.

Fandom speeding aside, I’m cautiously optimistic with JDS and LM and I hope the sequels keep the same quality as the first movie.

I mean, considering just how fucked Voltron ended up being, I don't think it's too far a exaggerated response.

 

[Private Pyle]

I mean, considering just how fucked Voltron ended up being, I don't think it's too far a exaggerated response.

Eh, I disagree with this line of thinking for a couple of reasons.
1. What many people never talk about is how VLD was meddled with heavily by WEP and toy companies, altering some of their plans. So the staff at least has some of my sympathies with how things turned out.

2. While it’s fair to criticize the writing, it’s absurd to accuse them of being bigots trying to bring down women and minorities with cartoons.

3. Just because someone had bombs on their records doesn’t mean they can’t redeem themselves in the future, especially considering they have some decent credits under their belt. Remember how Danny Antonucci went from Brothers Grunt to Ed Edd n Eddy?

If they do end up fucking up the franchise, I’ll eat crow. But until then, I’m hopeful things will turn out alright.

 

[Agent Wet]

Not to spoil anything but as a fellow Miguel O’Hara fan; if you saw Into the Spider-Verse all the way through to the very end, there’s a good reason to be excited for the sequel. Speaking of which.

I still remember how much salt generated from the Spider-Verse and Voltron fandom when it turned out that the showrunners from Legendary Defender were in charge of the sequel and spin offs. It got to they point that they were legitimately expecting Spider-Verse 2 to be this racist/sexist fest and swearing off the franchise.

Fandom speeding aside, I’m cautiously optimistic with JDS and LM and I hope the sequels keep the same quality as the first movie.

Its stuff like this that makes want to avoid fandoms in general especially with stuff I like. I probably going to stay optimistic with the sequel even if the people who made Legendary Defenders are part of it .It will probably be alright worst. Also what is the context with the expecting Spiderverse to be sexist/racist stuff from anyway did they do something to trigger both fandoms besides not virtual singling hard enough or some shipping pair didn't happen ?

 

[Private Pyle]

Its stuff like this that makes want to avoid fandoms in general especially with stuff I like. I probably going to stay optimistic with the sequel even if the people who made Legendary Defenders are part of it .It will probably be alright worst. Also what is the context with the expecting Spiderverse to be sexist/racist stuff from anyway did they do something to trigger both fandoms besides not virtual singling hard enough or some shipping pair didn't happen ?

At the very end of VLD, Allura sacrificed herself to save the entire universe. Many fans saw this as extremely racist and sexist due to the fact that Allura had the appearance of a young black woman in the reboot.

As such, because Miles is black and Gwen is female, they assume horrible shit will befall on their faves. Doesn’t help the fanbase is extremely defensive over any little thing with Miles.

 

[Sayon]

Allura had the appearance of a young black woman in the reboot.

She looked like an animu dark elf. Not a Shaniqua.