Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Dafuqisdis?]

Perception and reality being what they are I was trusting in Crescent Fresh's numbers. If you have data that contradicts him I'd be happy to change my mind.

As it is if a creator is about twice as likely to succeed on KS over IGG, as those numbers indicate, one would think there's a larger audience to tap into in the larger platform. If the ecosystem was more healthy on IGG I'd expect IGG projects to fund more than 44% of the time compared to KS at 84% funded

Nice try Vox Gay, you can open up a couple of browser tabs and confirm what I said in less than a minute. That's some really clever rhetoric you got goin'

 

[Comicsgeist]

Hell, Zack’s guilty of this as well. Constantly refers to himself as a publisher... yet only publishes books that he’s had a direct hand in. With all this money flying around to the top creators, you’d think they’d actually try and do something productive with it. Something along the lines of a publishing label of sorts that functions as a way to get good crowdfunded comics properly promoted and in stores would be a pretty incredible way to further the cause they claim to be fighting for, but it’s never going to happen, because the personal bank accounts will always be first.

Why rag on Richard? He's one guy self-publishing indie books out of his bedroom. He's a cottage industry.
Suggesting he somehow become Image is stupid. He's just not capable of that. He's not even capable of creating good content for his own YouTube channel these days.
All his videos are about 5 minutes too long and rambling into a phone in your car is so 2008. He's too stubborn and resistant to change to edit and polish his content. You're asking him to be Comics Jesus (so many are), but he's really comic's John the Baptist.
His recent video on comics revolutionaries ignores the fact that few revolutionaries ever survive the revolution, they all end up with their head on a platter.
RCM hammered the second last nail in to the Comic's industry's coffin (the coof did the rest), but now he's just hammering the nail head until the wood splits and his channel is dying. I'm not really optimistic that he can evolve before it croaks, because change is is foreign country to the man.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Here’s an update on those numbers now that Frog’s book and its parody are out of the way:

Kickstarter has 30 comics projects ending in the next week. Out of those, 23 are already funded, with two of the remaining seven past the three-quarters-funding mark, for a total percentage of 77-80%.

IGG has 11 comics projects ending in the next week. Out of those, four are already funded, with one of the remaining seven past the three-quarters-funding mark, for a total percentage of 36%-45%.

Things are really not looking good for IGG if you’re a smaller creator.

Also, for those wondering how I’m calculating these numbers, I’m just looking at KS’s “Ending Soon” tab for anything with 6 days or less remaining, and comparing that to IGG’s own “Ending Soon” sort that shows all projects ending in that same span of time.

This is all just very uninteresting but you're really trying to cherry pick numbers for your thesis. You're just comparing mostly bottom of the barrel stuff based on a small time slice and trying to extrapolate the relative successes of each platform.

You could just look at the overall picture of active projects to tell you what's going on, but that would make things kinda obvious, no?

 

[Analog Devolved]

He'll do better on IGG, but I wish I could have helped him with this. He priced his original art too low, at $500 per page and 50 pages, he sold out immediately. $25,000 bought the entire book, and that's almost half of what he's earned so far.

The original chapter break pages are good, for $5000 each...he's sold one and he's got another $15K coming when he sells the other three. All of his other high priced tiers are sold thru. When he sells what remains, he'll be stuck at under $100K.

I'd scrap the digital for $10 and the $1 thank you tier. Those are Kickstarter garbage tiers.

We'll see how it goes, but he's going to hit $100K and drag a bit.

Also, launching with the full 60 days right out of the gate is another mistake.

FWIW SGM is a snake that tries to play both sides of the fence.
To put it in words WC can understand you can't be a power top and a powerbottom at the same time.
I'm not backing "plot holes". Too many plot holes and way too many back holes.
I'd back EVS again before I backed SGM. The way I see it is I'll give money to a fart huffing self indulgent uber fag before I give money to a whale friendly blue hair loving SJW fence riding homo that snipes political horseshit on twitter instead of just saying how he feels. Hell, I'd back TUG before I backed SGM. Sean has no goodwill with me he's just another liberal sperg with a cult following from his mediocre batman story.
All of this cyberfrog cheerleading is gay and proud but SGM is a disingenuous faggot.
Also I 100% agree his art was underpriced he could have easily charged 1000 dollars and made a guaranteed 50k right off the top huge mistake.
If he had talked with any of the big CG players about how to properly run a campaign he could have made 50k+ right into his pocket. Who the fuck leaves that much money sitting on the table? Talk about an amateur gambler.

 

[Wise Man]

Why rag on Richard? He's one guy self-publishing indie books out of his bedroom. He's a cottage industry.
Suggesting he somehow become Image is stupid. He's just not capable of that. He's not even capable of creating good content for his own YouTube channel these days.
All his videos are about 5 minutes too long and rambling into a phone in your car is so 2008. He's too stubborn and resistant to change to edit and polish his content. You're asking him to be Comics Jesus (so many are), but he's really comic's John the Baptist.
His recent video on comics revolutionaries ignores the fact that few revolutionaries ever survive the revolution, they all end up with their head on a platter.
RCM hammered the second last nail in to the Comic's industry's coffin (the coof did the rest), but now he's just hammering the nail head until the wood splits and his channel is dying. I'm not really optimistic that he can evolve before it croaks, because change is is foreign country to the man.

Pewdiepie employed two editors and rented a studio when he was making the longer videos with sets.

He still has 1 editor even when it's just him sitting on a floor looking at memes on reddit. Good editing takes lots of effort and Pewdiepie only makes 5 videos a week, on top of his hours of livestreaming. Richard could never put that much time into a video if he wants to make 3 a day. He still has the job of making comic book content on top of his youtube channel. He needs an editor for his channel as badly as CG in general needs more editors for their books.

 

[Newman's Own]

To get a physical copy of SGM's new book is 30 bucks.

Waaaaay too much for 100 pgs. The indiegogo route for former comic industry pros is lucrative, but it's too much for my wallet. 30 bucks will buy you a lot more entertainment than a comic book. 10 -15 bucks at most, but not 25, definitely not 30 even with a great artist.

Comics have too much of a barrier to entry anymore. Better entertainment elsewhere.

If Murphy hits his stretch goals which he will the book will be hardcover, 120 pgs and likely will get extra upgrades to the dress. He appears to be following the Doug TenNaple model for stretch goals.

$30 plus shipping is a pretty good deal by crowd fund standards for that but of course can't compete with free shipping through Amazon Prime. No crowd fund can compete with Amazon other than by providing original content not available elsewhere or sweet perks. On price point plus shipping does anyone compete with Amazon?

Nice try Vox Gay, you can open up a couple of browser tabs and confirm what I said in less than a minute. That's some really clever rhetoric you got goin'

You've got a lot of pent up rage for me Dafuq. Did I bang someone in your family and then never call or something? Mom? Sister? As to the rhetoric, thank you, we can't all be the clever wordsmith you are.

Keep raging son.

 

[Adamska]

I'll actually say congrats to EVS, cause getting 850+K is pretty impressive. My problem is that he said he only drew 12 pages so far. Let's start betting if this book comes out in time.

Haha he didn't learn you're supposed to have at least half of it finished before you panhandle.

What a maroon.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Maybe he's taking a shot at me! But it seems like it's the entire ComicsGate model that he's thumbing his nose at.

Crowdfunding isn't a "comicsgate model". You get work from dynamite so what's your angle of "hE's alSo gOt the LaMeStrEaM CoMIcs mEdIa pRoMoTiNg hIm Ree!"

 

[Smug Freiza]

TUG also launched his sequel book the Case of the Littlest Sonichu 2: Electric Booglaoo. If anyone who follows him on twitter (or if you follow the TUG thread) you would have noticed TUG was extremely butthurt that SGM was launching Plot Holes the same day as TUG was launching his crappy sequel, which also happens to be his birthday.

It's been live for about 8 hours and is doing quite well, according to TUG.

He also claims that "anti-CG" attacked his stream trying to flag it, whether his referring to the SJW Anti's or the OGCG anti's is unknown.

https://twitter.com/ThatUmbrella/status/1261542041718272001

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The previous campaign raised $14,940 from 280 suckers backers so his already ahead of his previous book. I'm not sure how well TUG will do this time though considering CG books have less backers overall, Weeb Wars has pretty much died and TUG has been exposed to have been behind multiple gay ops within both CG and WW. Not too mention of all the Comicsgate books, The Case of the Littlest Umbrella was probably one of the worst reviewed on youtube.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

TUG has been exposed to have been behind multiple gay ops within both CG and WW.

Tug is banking on the onision and johnny deep group to fund this book. Every well he poisons he will always find another.

The Case of the Littlest Umbrella was probably one of the worst-reviewed on youtube.

Even worse than stealing solo?

 

[Puddleduck]

Something occurred to me about SJW creators apparently trying to prove they won't profit from their crowdfunds … maybe they're on NEETbux? See below for TMI shit no-one cares about, but maybe they'd get in trouble or lose their tardmoney if they make too much money?

Spoiler: TMI shit

I'm currently working but won't be able to forever due to a progressive disability. I'll be entitled to NEETbux, but I'll also be allowed to work part time, but if I earn too much in doing so, I won't get it any more.

So maybe the SJWs are off sick with "depression" and "anxiety", so want to show Daddy Government they're not making too much?

 

[Crescent Fresh]

This is all just very uninteresting but you're really trying to cherry pick numbers for your thesis. You're just comparing mostly bottom of the barrel stuff based on a small time slice and trying to extrapolate the relative successes of each platform.

You could just look at the overall picture of active projects to tell you what's going on, but that would make things kinda obvious, no?

I mean, it certainly does make it obvious, but not exactly in the way that you’d like. The reason that IGG is so much worse for smaller creators is the exact reason why it’s so good for the larger names: InDemand.

On Kickstarter, you’re competing against every other active project during that period of time. On IGG, you’re competing against every active project... plus a massive amount of ended campaigns that have converted themselves into ongoing storefronts. And, to top it all off, a bunch of ended, non-InDemand campaigns that still all show up in the results for some reason! Now, it would be one thing if you could just go and turn InDemand and Ended off and only sort by currently active projects, but there literally isn’t an option to do that. You can say that you don’t want to see InDemand on your front-page recommended feed, but that’s it.

Its sort options are genuinely terrible, which means that the creator has to do far, far more work to promote their title in the case that IGG’s algorithm deems it unworthy. Kickstarter’s easy-access, chronological “Ending Soon” tab is responsible for a good chunk of the percentage gap, I’d say, making it far, far simpler to find and fund projects just about to end.

(Special mention goes to Little Fuzzy, an ongoing, active campaign that IGG decided to put at the very end of the trending list. The trending list of literally every single comics project ever put on the site, active, InDemand, and ended, had a currently-active campaign listed after hundreds if not thousands of ended campaigns from years ago. If I were an indie creator looking to start a campaign on either site, the idea of that having even the slightest chance of happening would legitimately scare the hell out of me.)

Bonus stats: Taking into account all active campaigns on both platforms regardless of time remaining, KS still has a 7% success lead over IGG even though it has over twice the active campaigns, 156 to 65.

Also, the current total of all funds being channeled through IGG’s 65 active comics campaigns is $550K. The current total being channeled through KS’ 156 is $1,84M.

Why rag on Richard? He's one guy self-publishing indie books out of his bedroom. He's a cottage industry.
Suggesting he somehow become Image is stupid. He's just not capable of that. He's not even capable of creating good content for his own YouTube channel these days.
All his videos are about 5 minutes too long and rambling into a phone in your car is so 2008. He's too stubborn and resistant to change to edit and polish his content. You're asking him to be Comics Jesus (so many are), but he's really comic's John the Baptist.
His recent video on comics revolutionaries ignores the fact that few revolutionaries ever survive the revolution, they all end up with their head on a platter.
RCM hammered the second last nail in to the Comic's industry's coffin (the coof did the rest), but now he's just hammering the nail head until the wood splits and his channel is dying. I'm not really optimistic that he can evolve before it croaks, because change is is foreign country to the man.

I’m not asking him and him alone to do something, but with the amount of money flying around in the name of this “movement”, it’s disappointing to not see anything substantial done with it to actually benefit said movement.

 

[Wise Man]

Kickstarter also features Late-Pledge options, basically InDemand mode with a different name.

NEETbux, Is that code for Medicaid, Welfare, or Unemployment? EBT? Or do they mean the second wave of stimulus checks from the Democrat's Bill that gives every illegal Immigrant a free income, healthcare, rape card, and probably also gives our missile codes to the ChiComs?

Not Employed in Education or Training, is a japanese acronym and label for those it describes. Sometimes the NEETs suffer from some kind of maladjustment disorder, or malaise, or a fear of leaving the house. I'm sure these folks are just talentless slackers though.


Doug just had one of the happiest days of his life yesterday, finding out he gets to spend many more years with his wife and children. He was also asking for people to forgive Tess Fowler and support her through her cancer. Magnanimous of him considering he knows Fowler is the one that bullied Sean Murphy into pulling the Bigfoot Bill 2 cover.

Ethan was celebrating that his frog comic and chicken boxes outrevenued the Earthworm Jim graphic novel. He keeps copying Doug, maybe he'll catch cancer too.

 

[Puddleduck]

NEETbux, Is that code for Medicaid, Welfare, or Unemployment? EBT?

Welfare basically, yeah. Be it out of work due to sickness, "sickness", or unemployment.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

Kickstarter also features Late-Pledge options, basically InDemand mode with a different name.

Those are not actually done through Kickstarter, rather through a third party service that can be linked at the top of the project page. There is no way to fund a project directly through KS after a campaign has ended unless the project creator makes a second campaign entirely for the late pledges.

Once a Kickstarter campaign ends, it’s effectively scrubbed from the listings unless you specifically search for it. That page, the default catalogue that you reach through the navigation menu, will give you every single current campaign that’s running before it starts giving you ones that have ended.

Compare that to IGG’s absolute mess of a main catalogue, where you can see InDemand options as early as result #3 and completely ended campaigns as early as result #21, with no way to turn either off.

 

[CapeKnight]

Not Employed in Education or Training, is a japanese acronym and label for those it describes. Sometimes the NEETs suffer from some kind of maladjustment disorder, or malaise, or a fear of leaving the house. I'm sure these folks are just talentless slackers though.

Strongly disagree. There's been a lot of documentation on the hikikomori syndrome that a lot of NEETs fall into. There's a larger societal and cultural problem that produces these people other than "you're just making excuses and being lazy", and to be honest, that's always the type of dismissive tone that ends up contributing to them falling further into their problems. Personally, I've interacted with quite a few people who are extremely talented but fall under this bracket (it's the internet after all, this is where they all hang out). Many of them have crippling disorders that hampers their confidence or will to live one way or another. There are plenty of them who have gone on to produce works on the indie scene, particularly under pen names and such, and have received a lot of recognition. One of the more revered animes that has a cult following is "Welcome to N.H.K.", which is thoroughly reviewed a lot in a positive light since the writer himself went through it. It's a fascinating insight on how these people became who they are.

I don't think it'd be a surprise for some of the NEETs to be paypigs to shit like twitch thots or a cult like ComicsGrift either.

EDIT: Also, crises like this pandemic is also more likely to be causing more of them to emerge. So, I wouldn't fault them for anything either other than not reaching out for the help they need to rehabilitate.

 

[Wise Man]

Strongly disagree. There's been a lot of documentation on the hikikomori syndrome that a lot of NEETs fall into. There's a larger societal and cultural problem that produces these people other than "you're just making excuses and being lazy", and to be honest, that's always the type of dismissive tone that ends up contributing to them falling further into their problems. Personally, I've interacted with quite a few people who are extremely talented but fall under this bracket (it's the internet after all, this is where they all hang out). Many of them have crippling disorders that hampers their confidence or will to live one way or another. There are plenty of them who have gone on to produce works on the indie scene, particularly under pen names and such, and have received a lot of recognition. One of the more revered animes that has a cult following is "Welcome to N.H.K.", which is thoroughly reviewed a lot in a positive light since the writer himself went through it. It's a fascinating insight on how these people became who they are.

I don't think it'd be a surprise for some of the NEETs to be paypigs to shit like twitch thots or a cult like ComicsGrift either.

EDIT: Also, crises like this pandemic is also more likely to be causing more of them to emerge. So, I wouldn't fault them for anything either other than not reaching out for the help they need to rehabilitate.

I meant the ones in America tweeting about NEET bux are the talentless slackers, lol. I liked NHK the anime too.

 

[CapeKnight]

I meant the ones in America tweeting about NEET bux are the talentless slackers, lol. I liked NHK the anime too.

My bad, somehow it must have slipped my mind. And yes, that anime is frickin dope.

 

[Absurdity]

Doug just had one of the happiest days of his life yesterday, finding out he gets to spend many more years with his wife and children. He was also asking for people to forgive Tess Fowler and support her through her cancer. Magnanimous of him considering he knows Fowler is the one that bullied Sean Murphy into pulling the Bigfoot Bill 2 cover.

That's because whether you agree with him on his belief system or not, Doug still has integrity and is an overall decent human being. Why that should be a rare thing in CG is beyond me but we have Ethan to thank for that.

Ethan was celebrating that his frog comic and chicken boxes outrevenued the Earthworm Jim graphic novel. He keeps copying Doug, maybe he'll catch cancer too.

Ethan is cancer.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Time for the Comicsgate Daily News.

FROM INDIEGOGO
Despite not being Comicsgate, SGM has hit the six figure target (in under 24hrs) which has unlocked a hardcover tier. He also added several other perks including an over-sized artist edition and prints pack. The Plot Holes has also out funded Earthworm Jim in its first days takings becoming the second most funded book on Indiegogo within 24hrs after Rekt Planet.

The Plot Holes

From fan-favorite comic book creator Sean Murphy comes an all-new tale of action and adventure! | Check out 'The Plot Holes' on Indiegogo.

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Every bodies favorite Boi Zack announced his first stretch goal at 100K, which will be a collaborative backup story with writer Mike Baron. The backup story will feature Mike's own character Nexus with art by Aaron Alfeche. In typical Zack fashion he neglects to mention how many pages the backup story will be, something that his been doing a lot of lately. Jawbreakers Grand Bizarre seems to be struggling compared to previous campaigns, but I'm sure Zack will bring it in for a home run before it ends.

JAWBREAKERS: GRAND BIZARRE Graphic Novel

The Origin Of The Team On And UNDER The Battlefields Of Afghanistan! | Check out 'JAWBREAKERS: GRAND BIZARRE Graphic Novel' on Indiegogo.

www.indiegogo.com

FROM THE TWITTERVERSE
Liam Gray recently posted an interesting tweet that reinforces one of my previous points when speculating his campaign may possibly be in trouble, that was that the Australian dollar is tanking. Ro Kumar however came to comfort his friend and ally by offering some sage advice.

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As other users have pointed out Doug TenNapel's surgery for cancer seems to have been a success, Doug even took some time out of his day to offer Sean Gordon Murphy his endorsement of his campaign. Considering SGM succumbed to SJW pressure to stop working with Doug on Bigfoot Bill 2 by removing his cover, Doug T again shows his Christian values by magnanimously promoting Seans campaign.

https://twitter.com/DougTenNapel/status/1261633698002276355

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And TUG in typical fashion has been using the tried and tested outrage machine in order to promote his sequel book to the Littlest Umbrella, which appears to have been drowned out by the success of The Plot Holes on TUGs birthday no less. TUG claims that "dem damn anti's" have been flagging his IGG and shutting down his streams, however given TUGs propensity to engage in self inflicting gay ops, this reporter remains skeptical.

https://twitter.com/ThatUmbrella/status/1261579831537537024

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FROM YOUTUBE
Speaking of TUG's birthday and self inflicting gay ops, up and coming youtuber DA Talks gave TUG a special gift for his birthday. A video giving examples of some of his previous self inflicted gay ops, mail boxes not included.

Our Boi Zack released a video explaining why Sean Gordon Murphy chose to fund on Indiegogo rather than Kickstarter.

The amazing, spectacular, the terrific, the great one, the peoples champion, your host The Hut also released a video covering SGM and his Plot Holes campaign. In a clear show of objectivity The Hut claimed that he would hold Sean to the same standards as Comicsgate creators and if SGM delivered a late book he'll quote "be hearing from me."

The peoples champion followed this video with a breaking news story, that Mitchell Breitweiser originally pitched Tim Lim's Black Hops to Walmart for his exclusive Allegiance Arts deal. Hut refuses to name his source, but we can presume this is the infamous "The Shadow" individual who feeds him information from time to time.

Doug TenNapel fresh from his surgery performed a stream and announced that he has opened up a shopify storefront and is selling books, prints and original artwork. This reporter can't help but notice that 1st Edition copies of Bigfoot Bill 1 are for sale for the low price of $35 USD, when they had been selling on ebay for as high as $200-$300 USD. What these lower priced books will do to the speculator market on ebay, we can only guess.

Newcomer to youtube Dan Shahin of Comic Book News also hosted a second stream discussing the future of local comic book shops. His guest was Brian Garside, the creator of Manage Comics - a cloud based subscription manager.

And eternal internet muck raiser Preston Poulter, owner Pocket Jacks Comics and Comicsgate™ released another "This Week In Comicsgate" discussing all the drama of the previous week. Such topics included the Simeti Swatting Saga, Liam Gray's autistic insanity, an internet truce formed between Cecil and Warcampaign, discussion of the impending cyberstalking trial against Panboy Soychild Donglover and Ethan's comments on Tess Fowler and Micah Curtis.

That's all your news for today.

Just a final note Liam Gray has been streaming on his co-hosts channel Oz Arts Creations since his channel has been struck. I haven't had the time to watch most of the streams but will report on anything of interest as I get through them, Oz Arts channel is linked below for anyone who wishes to keep up with the tism fest that is Liam's daily life.

oz art creations

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