Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Supreme Autist]

So much for "DID is so hard to fake"
=====>> http://www.academia.edu/download/41...114-15186-9t2qm3.pdf20160115-19908-mm9je9.pdf
"
Both the simulators and DID patients endorsed such a high number of
symptoms that their average overall scores would typically be interpreted as indicative of feigning. The simulators' mean scores were significantly higher than those of the DID patients on only four out of 13
scales. These results provide preliminary evidence that well informed
and motivated simulators are able to fairly successfully simulate DID

little systematic attention has been paid to the formal assessment
of possible malingering in DID

Additionally, DID may be feigned for "factitious" reasons. According to DSM-IV TR, in factitious disorders the feigning individual
wishes to assume the "sick role" and is not motivated by financial, legal,
or similar gains ...

However, some reviews have suggested that teasing apart the issues of malingering, factiousness, unconscious feigning, and traumatization may be difficult in some cases..

rates of factitious dissociative disorders have been found to
range from 2%-14%, with higher rates having been found in referrals to
specialty dissociative disorders units and to expert consultants in dissociative
disorders
"

In short there are no reliable diagnostic tools to differentiate 'factitious DID' and true DID.

 

[Adala]

I think M&M mentioned this in a video of hers. Fully integrating/fusing means having to accept trauma and losing your protectors.

Not Fully Integration but Final Fusion.
The process when all the alters merge into one person. But it isn't simple. It years of work and after the alters merged into one personality it requires further maintenance/therapy. Someone's brain who has DID never be the same as a singlet. So after the Final Fusion new alters can develop.
The main reason why DID patients don't choose Final Fusion because it feels like the death of their alters and because the memory gaps disappear and they will remember their traumas (remember isn't equal with the processing of the traumas) the fact that Final Fusion requires maintenance and not always successful is another reason.

So nowadays Healthy Multiplicity is the popular. When DID patients learn to live with their alters and manage them.
Everybody has to choose the solution which helps him or her to live a full life and not to be a "mental health advocate" on the YouTube.
Yes M&M made videos about the way of healings from DID.
I think she is the only one who has right to call her channel educational because only she has a psychological degree.

 

[Gramh]

Not Fully Integration but Final Fusion.
The process when all the alters merge into one person. But it isn't simple. It years of work and after the alters merged into one personality it requires further maintenance/therapy. Someone's brain who has DID never be the same as a singlet. So after the Final Fusion new alters can develop.
The main reason why DID patients don't choose Final Fusion because it feels like the death of their alters and because the memory gaps disappear and they will remember their traumas (remember isn't equal with the processing of the traumas) the fact that Final Fusion requires maintenance and not always successful is another reason.

So nowadays Healthy Multiplicity is the popular. When DID patients learn to live with their alters and manage them.
Everybody has to choose the solution which helps him or her to live a full life and not to be a "mental health advocate" on the YouTube.
Yes M&M made videos about the way of healings from DID.
I think she is the only one who has right to call her channel educational because only she has a psychological degree.

The way you unironically say singlet, and capitalize that laughable "final fusion" (it sounds like some retarded "this isn't even my final form" dragon ball z shit), I have a feeling you believe in this shit. Jess also doesn't have a psychological degree, she's just in study so you're a fanboy retard on top of that. Hi Welcome.

 

[comrade666]

Jess also doesn't have a psychological degree, she's just in study

Actually, she does.

 

[Gramh]

Actually, she does.

Since when? Last video I saw in the comments she was still in study and had only interned.

 

[Roodle]

Since when? Last video I saw in the comments she was still in study and had only interned.

Either way, a bachelors degree in psych that doesn't specialize in abnormal psych (or dissociative disorders specifically) does not make someone an expert. Todd Grande has a PhD but I assume m&m doesn't and that her degree isn't specialized within the psych field.

 

[Gramh]

Oh only a bachelor's degree? Yeah that's barely useful enough for child psych at a daycare center. I was miffed that I might have missed something that was worth more than the paper it was written on.

 

[comrade666]

Since when? Last video I saw in the comments she was still in study and had only interned.

She has a degree and was pursuing her postgraduate in psychotherapy. She dropped out of her postgraduate both because of her pregnancy and because she was struggling with hearing about her patients trauma. Agreed with another commenter who stated that doesn't make her an expert. It doesn't, but she did get a degree. The source where she explains why she dropped out escapes me at the moment. I think she may have covered it in a recent video.

 

[Adala]

She has a degree and was pursuing her postgraduate in psychotherapy. She dropped out of her postgraduate both because of her pregnancy and because she was struggling with hearing about her patients trauma. Agreed with another commenter who stated that doesn't make her an expert. It doesn't, but she did get a degree. The source where she explains why she dropped out escapes me at the moment. I think she may have covered it in a recent video.

Not an expert but still better than "mental health advocates"
I don't know what the hell is this mental health advocate it seems to me a glorified form of armchair psychologist.

 

[Lieileen]

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Not an expert but still better than "mental health advocates"
I don't know what the hell is this mental health advocate it seems to me a glorified form of armchair psychologist.

The bar set for advocacy is mainly to post inspirational quotes on social media.

You don’t even have to be an armchair psychologist, you just need to be ValidTM

 

[Gramh]

Starting to get worried our dear Chloe might never come back at this rate. Hard to keep a narrative together with a now active community trying to expose you constantly on Twitter and Youtube without coming back especially knowing your ex girlfriend is a pedo.

 

[BScaller!]

Starting to get worried our dear Chloe might never come back at this rate. Hard to keep a narrative together with a now active community trying to expose you constantly on Twitter and Youtube without coming back especially knowing your ex girlfriend is a pedo.

Honestly as entertaining as it is I'd say good riddance! I really doubt she can go without the attention, although shes arguably getting more now. The longer shes gone the worse it will get, fine with me. Maybe the numbskulls will be forced to look into it, not holding my breath for that either

 

[TangerineQueen]

Honestly as entertaining as it is I'd say good riddance! I really doubt she can go without the attention, although shes arguably getting more now. The longer shes gone the worse it will get, fine with me. Maybe the numbskulls will be forced to look into it, not holding my breath for that either

Very very true. Even if she continues to remove videos, it just lends more time to have unsightly details come to the surface, not to mention it makes her look guilty as all hell. I think Chloe thought she was in control of the situation before the newer information came out, having a break to organise how she'll jump back into her videos. Now, I think she definitely feels a fire under her ass and that this is a real 'what the fuck do I do' break.

 

[Lieileen]

This article is extra spesh.

Apparently, our entire understanding of consciousness should be questioned in light of the existence of DID and we all might well be dissociated alters in a universe in which everything is conscious.

 

[prettybad]

Either way, a bachelors degree in psych that doesn't specialize in abnormal psych (or dissociative disorders specifically) does not make someone an expert. Todd Grande has a PhD but I assume m&m doesn't and that her degree isn't specialized within the psych field.

Todd Grande has a PhD and reads the literature on a subject, even if he has previous clinical experience, before saying anything definitive publicly If Jess did the same thing, there would be no qualms about her channel, degree or not, but then she wouldn't be able to make most of her videos. And Chloe's copy-paste reference links don't count, obviously.

This article is extra spesh.

Apparently, our entire understanding of consciousness should be questioned in light of the existence of DID and we all might well be dissociated alters in a universe in which everything is conscious.

This view—called “cosmopsychism” in modern philosophy, although our preferred formulation of it boils down to what has classically been called “idealism”—is that there is only one, universal, consciousness.

Somewhat related to the discussion before; one of the authors has a PhD in Philosophy. This doesn't stop him from being painfully inaccurate in the above paragraph. I have no clue how he got idealism this wrong and why he conflated it with another entirely separate idea, but that ain't it. That definitely ain't it, please end me.

 

[rot]

Very very true. Even if she continues to remove videos, it just lends more time to have unsightly details come to the surface, not to mention it makes her look guilty as all hell. I think Chloe thought she was in control of the situation before the newer information came out, having a break to organise how she'll jump back into her videos. Now, I think she definitely feels a fire under her ass and that this is a real 'what the fuck do I do' break.

We have all (definitely most) of them archived anyway, it's not really of use. All it does is make her look like she has something to hide or has had a slip-up in the video she has deleted, only furthering suspicion of her.
ETA: at least she's giving us hints on which videos to re-watch

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

I don’t think we should bother disproving her DID diagnosis. Inconsistencies in her story are easily brushed off by ‘dissociative amnesia!’. It was recently pointed out to me that there is virtually no literature about what malingered DID looks like, but there is a lot about what malingered PTSD looks like. Since DID is comorbid with PTSD (literally you need PTSD to have DID, some professionals are pushing for DID to be a dissociative subtype of PTSD), it’d be easier to discredit her by examining her PTSD and other descriptions of comorbid disorders. She’s so focused on her LARPing that she hasn’t paid too much attention to the other things that can discredit her.

One good place to start is flashbacks. She describes flashbacks as ‘randomly throughout the day it’ll feel like someone has touched me or burned me’. That is NOT what flashbacks are like. They are triggered by something, even if the individual is not consciously aware of what it is at that time. Flashbacks include more than one sensation and are highly emotional. Sometimes, flashbacks are only emotional, particularly in those who have mainly been emotionally and verbally abused.

 

[undefined]

How do they explain the "voices" they've all claimed to hear at some point? If alters are separate identities in different parts of the brain that they have no idea about, and that have no idea about each other, then what the fuck are these voices? Who's talking to them if they can't communicate directly with one another? I don't understand this shit.

Going back a bit in the thread here but wanted to respond to this- Chloe's descriptions of 'hearing voices' constitute some of the most damning proof of her malingering, imo. She's clearly never experienced an auditory hallucination in her life.

Spoiler: sperging about that hearing voices video

In Hearing VOICES?! COMMUNICATING With ALTERS (9:17 onwards) Chloe recounts how she never thought her so-called 'voice hearing' was unusual. She describes thinking that it was just her inner-monologue/internal thoughts. She uses air quotes here, indicating she wants her audience to assume that she doesn't have a clue what it's like to have normal inner speech (she reenforces this idea later). She says that these voices initially came across as 'background noise'. Describing untreated AVH (by nature an intrusive experience) as inconsequential 'background noise' sets off serious bullshit alarms. She says that when she described this to a crisis team nurse, she was told that she "needed to talk to a doctor". ....

If a CRHT nurse thinks you're hearing voices and there is no previous mention of it on your file, the issue would not have been dropped just there with the patient. All crisis teams function slightly differently in the UK, but as crisis teams directly involve psychiatrists/doctors and regular discussion of patient cases, a CRHT mental health nurse would be obliged to highlight this. An appointment with a CRHT psychiatrist would have been scheduled for as soon as possible to find a solution. Crisis teams rarely make a correct diagnosis when certain symptoms (that can result from multiple disorders) are detected for the first time, but anti-psychotics would likely be prescribed regardless of prognosis if the psychiatrist concluded that the patient was in fact experiencing auditory verbal hallucination. AVH is understood as a psychotic symptom even when it occurs in non-pyschotic disordered patients. Chloe has never mentioned being on antipsychotics at any point, if she ever had she would certainly have mentioned it.

In her Toi interview, where she recounts things differently than in the hearing voices video, she says that she did see a psychiatrist shortly after confiding in the CRHT nurse. If any of this shit actually happened it's likely that this was a CRHT psychiatrist doing a standard assessment, whether prompted or not by this interaction with the nurse who knows. According to her, they said 'hearing voices is normal'. This is clearly Chloe-speak for a psychiatrist telling her that having INNER SPEECH is normal, because inner speech doesn't constitute AVH. Hence she was not prescribed neuroleptics.

Attempting to distance her own psychology from that of 'singlets', Chloe claims to have no idea what normal inner speech is like. Whether she meant to or not, this implies that she is constantly experiencing some degree of AVH that she communicates with through 'thinking back' or talking out loud, as a substitute for inner speech:

"Sometimes you can sort of talk back, "think back" I guess it would be like, if you have a single personality, you don't have D.I.D or O.S.D.D, thinking to yourself.... what your actual inner monologue would be... when you can sort of communicate with yourself... I'm assuming that you can do that?"

D.I.D. does not prevent you from having inner speech, AVH does not replace inner speech. Chloe is going into overkill mode here, probably because she thinks she is cleverer than she is and that her single semester of psychology undergrad entitles her to just make shit up. It is very common for people who suffer from dissociative disorders to experience AVH, but this isn't how it fucking works. Voices heard by those who suffer from textbook D.I.D. are likely to have nothing to do with any alters, closely resembling the AVH a paranoid schizophrenic might suffer, a common incorrect diagnosis someone with legit D.I.D might receive.

I don't know where Chloe got the info from for these pop ups but they're bull. A bit of google shuffling suggests they come from unaccredited bloggers.

ETA: there's plenty more to say about this video but I had to stop before I go full MOTI

 

[rot]

Bonus points for the extra invented DID processes (Rapid Switching?)

Ugh. "Rapid cycling" is a similar term used to describe cyclothymia, a form of bipolar disorder where the depressive and manic episodes last shorter than usual. (they probably 'stole' it from that)

According to her, they said 'hearing voices is normal'. This is clearly Chloe-speak for a psychiatrist telling her that having INNER SPEECH is normal, because inner speech doesn't constitute AVH. Hence she was not prescribed neuroleptics.

This reminds me of that one post where a guy went to the doctor, afraid that he had schizophrenia because "he had a voice in his head". The doctor calmly told him that that is called thinking.

 

[DissociaDONT]

I don’t think we should bother disproving her DID diagnosis. Inconsistencies in her story are easily brushed off by ‘dissociative amnesia!’. It was recently pointed out to me that there is virtually no literature about what malingered DID looks like, but there is a lot about what malingered PTSD looks like. Since DID is comorbid with PTSD (literally you need PTSD to have DID, some professionals are pushing for DID to be a dissociative subtype of PTSD), it’d be easier to discredit her by examining her PTSD and other descriptions of comorbid disorders. She’s so focused on her LARPing that she hasn’t paid too much attention to the other things that can discredit her.

One good place to start is flashbacks. She describes flashbacks as ‘randomly throughout the day it’ll feel like someone has touched me or burned me’. That is NOT what flashbacks are like. They are triggered by something, even if the individual is not consciously aware of what it is at that time. Flashbacks include more than one sensation and are highly emotional. Sometimes, flashbacks are only emotional, particularly in those who have mainly been emotionally and verbally abused.

Girl has a "traumaversery." It's ridiculous.

In one of her Patreon videos, she described being triggered and then barely making it out of the room before the flashbacks hit. She seems to think it's a physical thing you can push down like needing to run to the bathroom and vomit. She does mention the emotional side of PTSD, but it feels a bit like an after thought. She mostly talks about flashbacks and how PTSD is "a memory filing error in the brain that makes it impossible for you to distinguish whether or not you're back in that traumatic event."

I find it odd that she focuses on PTSD as it pertains to one event. DID is supposedly caused by repeated trauma. So C-PTSD. Which she talks about, but AFAIK it isn't typified by intense flashbacks of a single event that are indistinguishable from reality.

Spoiler: Small powerlevel because my knowledge of PTSD is almost entirely anecdotal

The smell of stale alcohol is a trigger for me. It doesn't bring up one very bad, very traumatic memory. It stirs up lots of memories that all come tumbling through my brain at once. When there's a lot of bad shit that caused your PTSD, i.e. DID's ritualized trauma, one thing seldom stands out. It's all just varying degrees of bad.

Also, re-watching her videos on PTSD makes it so glaringly obvious that she hasn't read any of the materials she cites. She reads one article, uses its sources, then parrots them, even keeping in the "et al" abbreviation like someone who says the word "lol" out loud in conversation.