The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

If it's not the wife, I guarantee you it'll be something with him killing a woman/women during/post-apocalypse in a really brutal way.

They're fighting a losing battle, though. Unless they make him a rapist or a pedophile, people on the whole are not gonna stop liking Joel just because he's done some dark shit. I mean fuck me, the Far Cry series is built on the backs of its villains: People love them even though they are literal murderous monsters, so I'm pretty sure Joel will be fine.

Unless- again- they decide to really fuck themselves in the mouth and make him a pedophile or rapist. Those are the ones that will make people draw back, and it would be the literal worst possible decision the devs could make with his character.

The worst.
They would have to go that far. It's not even implied that Joel has been an absolute monster before meeting Ellie, it's outright stated. After the car ambush, he flat out tells Ellie he has been on the ambush side. Joel ambushed and murdered innocent people that tried to help someone they thought was in trouble.

Either Joel raped someone, or before the apocalypse he said Nigger on Twitter and people finally found out.
 
Hideo Kojimo to a lesser extent royally fucked up MGSV and got rewarded by Sony. Although Sony is allegedly very unhappy with low Death Stranding sales so we'll see how long his bullshit is tolerated.
The thing with MGSV is Konami meddled to hell and back with it so Kojima still had the public's good graces. So that is probably why Sony hired him.
They would have to go that far. It's not even implied that Joel has been an absolute monster before meeting Ellie, it's outright stated. After the car ambush, he flat out tells Ellie he has been on the ambush side. Joel ambushed and murdered innocent people that tried to help someone they thought was in trouble.

Either Joel raped someone, or before the apocalypse he said nigga on Twitter and people finally found out.
Although it is stated that Joel did some shit, unlesss we were shown it in the first game people are still hoing to be angry as it feels like the second one will destroy his character to justify his death.
As said previously, you can't bring down an old character to make a new one better. It will turn fans off.
 
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Unfortunately, he has the special games are art badge that lets him get away with it because if Sony kills their only head with the "charisma" to run a shitshow like this, Sony will lose any appeal for devs as they alienated their weeb fanbase to the point every weeb game released is filled with crystal ball fear that the game will be censored and banking on being the narrative storytelling console means they can't just pump out dudebro shooters and call it a day. Hencewhy they are working doubletime to protect him because if he falls, Sony may have to restructure and find someone else to replace him which is not going to be possible since every AAA dev is a braindrained zombie deprieved of creativity and ambition
It goes to show that Sony really shot themselves in the foot when they started censoring Japaneses games. I doubt Sony will recover from this.
 
It goes to show that Sony really shot themselves in the foot when they started censoring Japaneses games. I doubt Sony will recover from this.
Bruh Ghosts just surpassed lifetime preorders for TLOU2, they've already recovered.

The average amount of special editions that are made are roughly 1-2 million each for the 70-90 dollar Steelbook and the 150+ Huge Box Collectors Editions. They're sold out everywhere for Ghosts..

Sony never lost the weeb audience. Who the fuck is going to be buying Kurosawa simulator and Utawererumono within weeks of each other?
 
Bruh Ghosts just surpassed lifetime preorders for TLOU2, they've already recovered.

The average amount of special editions that are made are roughly 1-2 million each for the 70-90 dollar Steelbook and the 150+ Huge Box Collectors Editions. They're sold out everywhere for Ghosts..

Sony never lost the weeb audience. Who the fuck is going to be buying Kurosawa simulator and Utawererumono within weeks of each other?
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I chose the „fuck you let everyone die“ option and laughed my ass off as these two cutsie small town hipster lesbians drove off into the sunset, while being surrounded by the shambles of their hometown (and possibly dead bodies of friends and family) with sad and pretentious hipster music in the background. Fuck this game and fuck everyone who thought it had good writing and characters.
My understanding is that the tornado happens because they fucked with time and that Chloe living was the catalyst for the disaster meaning that choosing her this one time only means it gonna keep happening until you let her die. The idea of the two characters just causing massive amounts of death is hilarious when you consider that Chloe is also too stupid to live and dies dozens of times throughout the game and only lives because of time powers. Millions will die to keep this one annoying death prone girl alive but its ok because they are lesbians.
 
Now that we are talking about life is strange. I have to admit i actually liked the game for the most part it had a great art style and a really great cinematography i even liked Chloe i mean i have her has my avatar for a reason. But the endings were atrocious not because of concepts but because of length you know you have fucked up when fire emblem awakening handles the sacrifice someone for the sake of everyone concept unironically better in fact by the time I chose the sacrifice Arcadia bay ending i started to listen to ashes to ashes by David Bowie instead the hipster music in the end i thought it fit better. The both endings could have been fixed with something like a hour long epilogues maybe the funeral home for bay ending or something like a 5 year time skip college reunion for bae ending
 
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I enjoyed the side characters from Life is Strange far more than the two main characters. Warren, Kate, and Nathan were especially my favorites because they felt real and (in the case of Kate and Nathan especially) had depth to their personalities that Max and Chloe just flat-out lacked. Warren honestly felt like he could have been one of the boys I went to high school with, Kate was very sympathetic and it's shown throughout the story that she's got a variety of interests and talents and has a complex relationship with her family and her faith, and then Nathan turns out to not be as much of a shallow ass as originally presented and is more like a scared, vulnerable kid (who is also often a massive dick, to be fair) that was failed and exploited by every single person he went to for help. On the other hand, Max was just passive, boring, and obsessed with Chloe and photography and had nothing else going for her. Chloe's cunty-ness has already been discussed extensively here so I won't get into it. But because the game has extremely protagonist-centered morality, we're supposed to think they are the best and always right and that Chloe was the badass lesbian that's supposed to be the audience's fave despite having no qualities that would endear a normal person to her.

It seems like Naughty Dog is willingly walking into the same trap with Abby- she's perfect at everything, can do no wrong, and is actually a really terrible person but we're supposed to love and sympathize with her anyways. The amount of disconnect that modern game devs have from normal people and their complete and utter lack of understanding as to what makes a character likable to audiences is just baffling.
 
Bruh Ghosts just surpassed lifetime preorders for TLOU2, they've already recovered.

The average amount of special editions that are made are roughly 1-2 million each for the 70-90 dollar Steelbook and the 150+ Huge Box Collectors Editions. They're sold out everywhere for Ghosts..

Sony never lost the weeb audience. Who the fuck is going to be buying Kurosawa simulator and Utawererumono within weeks of each other?
Sony lost all their weebs to PC and switch. True weebs hate when Japanese games are censored. Sony is mostly going for the hipsters that like wannabe movie games like The last of Us and God of War 4.
 
Sony lost all their weebs to PC and switch. True weebs hate when Japanese games are censored. Sony is mostly going for the hipsters that like wannabe movie games like The last of Us and God of War 4.
That's a paradox because true weebs know that VN's are trash and neptunia and it's ilk are garbage.

Besides you now have Bandai Namco considering Tales of re-releases that the west never got for consoles, Trials of Mana exceeding sales since Secret of Mana, and Ys 9 and the PSP Ys games getting PS4 releases.

Also Atelier Ryza is either getting an english GOTY edition with all the DLC or a direct sequel because Gust sold through their entire inventory. You literally can't get the game new anymore.
 
I have to admit, the tornado to wipe out the bay is kind of hilarious because for like, 3 out of 5 episodes the universe is constantly trying to course correct and kill Chloe off. I love the idea of the butterfly effect for that in the "You know what? You want to interrupt destiny like this? FUCKING HAVE A TORNADO YOU HIPSTER BITCH."
 
Yeah, choosing to have Chloe die instead of the whole town was a no-brainer.

"Wheehh my dad died! Hey Max, help me do this thing that will risk you getting expelled from school and ruin your photography career. What's that, you don't want to? Well fuck you then!"
Life is Strange's choice is fucking HILARIOUS in that its basically 'one really terrible person dies' or 'an entire town of innocent people die'. Like, this terrible person you've tried to save from being terrible with your powers is completely and utterly responsible for the time travel fucking disaster it causes and she's still a selfish cunt. There's no choice in that, let that bitch die. She shot an innocent dog and murders people she owes money to Chloe is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE person. It isn't even a choice. The game presents it as 'sad' but if it were me, I'd be like, "Bitch, you ruined my life by forcing your way into it and abusing my abilities. Enjoy hell, cunt. Thank God you die before I even know who you are."

Oh guys, guys...

...Don't you know saving Chloe is the only logical choice?

(That thread is a wild fucking ride. Chloe-stans are fucking wild. She wanted to steal money from a handicap fund (for a wheelchair ramp iirc) for the school to pay off her fucking drug dealer, but apparently Warren is the "toxic" romantic option for Max.)

Dude, in Far Cry 4 I wanted to fucking rock and roll with Pagan Min. I HATED both drug pusher and commie factions and would loved to have just rolled them the fuck over with Pagan. That clearly should have been an option. He was more interesting than either of the factions. If you view the secret ending you actually see his motivations and you just want to hop in his chopper and just fuck up the rebels. It should have been there. Ubi shouldn't have even bothered with three factions, just Min and the others. I wanted to hop in his chopper with a SAW and just gun down rebels to rock and roll music with my step dad. Oh and that faggot Mohan deserved to die. Fuck the Golden Path. I honestly could not play Far Cry 4 that much because of how much more I liked Min than all the other options.

The thing is there's nothing they can make him now. The problem is they're re-writing him for use in this plot because its the only way to make this plot work. There is no scenario where this is acceptable, or will be accepted by the player base. It will be seen as a revision to justify his death, which it is. Its the only reason you'd make that choice. Which demonstrates that you have no justification for the story itself existing. Re-writing a character's backstory without any prior foreshadowing has always been demonstrated in really terrible stories, especially in sequel works or been done by other writers other than the character's creator.

How does Joel not have sympathy for women or treat them poorly, after losing a daughter, a wife and nearly losing an adopted daughter? It makes absolutely no sense.

Also, allowing the 'all men are rapists' basically joke hypothesis and pretty much a living straw-man into your story is probably the stupidest fucking idea you can ever do. For one, no one but a VERY VERY small minority even take that shit seriously. The only people I have ever seen take it seriously are so mentally broken that they don't have normal human relationships. If they're in your writing room, your story is dead. Sorry, there's no saving it. Your story is fucked.

If this is true, then there's no fucking way Cuckman works at any AAA studio ever again and Sony is even more of an embarrassment to not even break through the walls of Naughty Dog like the fucking Kool-Aid Man and strangle Druckman to death on the writer's room table for even having the idea pop into his soy-filled brain. Its the antithesis of securing a wide audience. Its like pouring poison into your product. Even the most progtarded corporations have avoided this because even THEY know this is a very fringe idea that shouldn't ever be put into anything where you're putting a even a dollar into. I have RARELY ever seen a progtard advocate this. At best, they laugh nervously and avoid it altogether when one of their 'allies' goes off on it because they know its psychotic but that group-think be strong. At worst, its mocked in those circles. Those who actually think like this are few and far between, genuinely joyless, unpleasant and loathsome individuals.

'All men are rapists' is a fucking joke. Everyone treats it like one. The people who take it seriously are locked away in some Gender Studies department, being paid nothing and generating revenue for a university or are mentally ill, broken people who can barely relate to humanity as a whole and will probably end up killing themselves at some point. No fucking joke, I do not believe you can hold this ideology and live a normal life. I believe it is fundamentally impossible as it contradicts reality on every level. That Druckman even considered doing this means he is so painfully fucking stupid, it hurts.

Pagan Min was glorious, best part of the game easily. He's just fun.

re: Joel, that's exactly the problem: If they had set him up as being a more controversial character, the kind of person I could believe would attack a woman unprovoked or commit a rape, this would be less surprising to me. But the whole thing about Joel is that he's portrayed as that sort of "gruff, cynical dude with a heart of gold" character. I can believe he's done some dark shit, but I don't believe he's done it unprovoked to innocent people. That's not how they wrote him: Joel does not revel in the shit he does. He does not kill because he enjoys it; he kills to survive. If they go this route, it's not going to be believable and it will alienate people who enjoyed his character arc in the first game.

The kind of people who buy into the "all men are rapists" theory are

A) little feminist zealots who are new to the ideology and suddenly have an outlet for all their unresolved daddy issues,

B) intellectually dishonest feminists who claim to believe it and preach accordingly, but don't really believe that all men are rapists deep down, or

C) paranoid feminist shut-ins of the Valerie Solanas type that genuinely, whole-heartedly believe all men are actual rapists and are total fucking nutcases as a result.
 
I enjoyed the side characters from Life is Strange far more than the two main characters. Warren, Kate, and Nathan were especially my favorites because they felt real and (in the case of Kate and Nathan especially) had depth to their personalities that Max and Chloe just flat-out lacked. Warren honestly felt like he could have been one of the boys I went to high school with, Kate was very sympathetic and it's shown throughout the story that she's got a variety of interests and talents and has a complex relationship with her family and her faith, and then Nathan turns out to not be as much of a shallow ass as originally presented and is more like a scared, vulnerable kid (who is also often a massive dick, to be fair) that was failed and exploited by every single person he went to for help. On the other hand, Max was just passive, boring, and obsessed with Chloe and photography and had nothing else going for her. Chloe's cunty-ness has already been discussed extensively here so I won't get into it. But because the game has extremely protagonist-centered morality, we're supposed to think they are the best and always right and that Chloe was the badass lesbian that's supposed to be the audience's fave despite having no qualities that would endear a normal person to her.

It seems like Naughty Dog is willingly walking into the same trap with Abby- she's perfect at everything, can do no wrong, and is actually a really terrible person but we're supposed to love and sympathize with her anyways. The amount of disconnect that modern game devs have from normal people and their complete and utter lack of understanding as to what makes a character likable to audiences is just baffling.


In one scene you can see Warren watching Max - it's never brought up or referenced, but puts a new spin on his character. First time through I tried and failed to save Kate, and felt genuinely bad about it.

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That's a paradox because true weebs know that VN's are trash and neptunia and it's ilk are garbage.

Besides you now have Bandai Namco considering Tales of re-releases that the west never got for consoles, Trials of Mana exceeding sales since Secret of Mana, and Ys 9 and the PSP Ys games getting PS4 releases.

Also Atelier Ryza is either getting an english GOTY edition with all the DLC or a direct sequel because Gust sold through their entire inventory. You literally can't get the game new anymore.
That doesn't sound like true weebs to me. Weebs hate it when anything from japan gets changed in anyway. That's why Japanese gaming fans are flocking to PC and switch. It also explains why so many Japanese games are PC and Switch exclusives as they have to follow the consumers. Only customers Sony has left are the hipsters and SJWs.
 
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