#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Own]

The overwhelming majority of "Hollywood" people never touch blockbusters, instead making their livings on lower-budget stuff.

According to the Rekieta stream he spent 5 years with Mattel as the head liason between the studios, the toy company and the manufacturers making sure the studio's vision was translated into a manufactured product that could turn a profit. That seems like pretty valuable experience for the next evolution in CG - just on the toy side (ignoring the TV/film stuff). I can't think of anyone who comes close and I'm willing to bet the secret sculptors working with Frog right now are from Fraga connects.

Another thing about Fraga is that he doesn't need to peddle his funny books to feed his family, it's something he wants to try with his old IP. He's done pretty well for himself and doesn't need the BS drama that the others must invent.

I don't doubt any of that. I said that it's very unlikely that Fraga has any stroke in Hollywood. He may have valueable contacts through Mattel but that's not gonna get a CyberFrog movie green lit.

 

[Old Man Mario]

I don't doubt any of that. I said that it's very unlikely that Fraga has any stroke in Hollywood. He may have valueable contacts through Mattel but that's not gonna get a CyberFrog movie green lit.

I'd agree. If Cyberfrog were marketable to children in an action figure line, Mattel could be interested but from what I've been hearing, they ain't doing so well.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I'd agree. If Cyberfrog were marketable to children in an action figure line, Mattel could be interested but from what I've been hearing, they ain't doing so well.

I think you're both missing the direction this is going. Big name toy companies aren't needed any more. The crowdfunding model and the internet has made them obsolete. Rekieta speculated that monolithic movie studios will soon be obsolete as well for the same reason. Frog now has the capital to pursue both on his own without the approval of any Hollywood suits. Fraga knows the technical people.

 

[Newman's Own]

I'd agree. If Cyberfrog were marketable to children in an action figure line, Mattel could be interested but from what I've been hearing, they ain't doing so well.

Agreed.

Ethan's been pretty adamant that he doesn't want to do low tier toys like Mattels. He wants to be Todd McFarlane.

 

[Snowflame]

I don't doubt any of that. I said that it's very unlikely that Fraga has any stroke in Hollywood. He may have valueable contacts through Mattel but that's not gonna get a CyberFrog movie green lit.

Maybe he buys his weed from the same guy that deals to Seth Rogen, it is after all, who you know.

 

[Newman's Own]

I think you're both missing the direction this is going. Big name toy companies aren't needed any more. The crowdfunding model and the internet has made them obsolete. Rekieta speculated that monolithic movie studios will soon be obsolete as well for the same reason. Frog now has the capital to pursue both on his own without the approval of any Hollywood suits. Fraga knows the technical people.

Nope. My point was that Ethan doesn't have an in with Hollywood.

If he wants to produce a movie himself and go broke or thinks he can get his paypigs to pony up the millions that's a different story completely. Good for him. I hope he tries.

 

[VIkkiVerse]

So I have a question for those more in the loop than I am regarding Fraga’s Black Flag campaign. I noticed he posted some art by Pat Lee on the campaign page. Exactly what is Pat Lee’s involvement with the book? He doesn’t seem to be listed as part of the creative team

Pat Lee being involved would be a HUGE issue since, for those unaware, Lee was responsible for the bankruptcy of Dreamwave Productions in the early 2000’s. A career tank that was preceded by him not paying his creative teams because he had spent all the money on stupid bullshit. Having a career scammer on your crowdfund is a bad look. Not to mention his art has always been hot garbage.

Pat Lee worked on Black Flag #0. He doesn't have anything to do with the new book, it's just Fraga posting art.

 

[SuiSui1]

I think you're both missing the direction this is going. Big name toy companies aren't needed any more. The crowdfunding model and the internet has made them obsolete. Rekieta speculated that monolithic movie studios will soon be obsolete as well for the same reason. Frog now has the capital to pursue both on his own without the approval of any Hollywood suits. Fraga knows the technical people.

Rackets is smart but can be DUMB for his audience. Let's take a big name toy: Barbie. From google 58,000,000 barbies are sold per year in 150 countries. Base price barbie is 9.99 without tax. That is Five hundred twenty-two million dollars, even the top crowd funded Spawn toy made barely 1 percent compared to that. Also Froggie is backed by a mainstream company in Dynamite and grovels before them just like one year ago.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I said that it's very unlikely that Fraga has any stroke in Hollywood.

They kicked out their only reliable Hollywood connection, doug already got a short planned.

Rekieta speculated that monolithic movie studios will soon be obsolete as well for the same reason.

I think rekieta should be taken with a BIG grain of salt after the smash hit "success" of weeb wars. I doubt the mainstream will die but they will go streaming and stop doing billion dollar budget cinematic universe setters.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Rackets is smart but can be DUMB for his audience. Let's take a big name toy: Barbie. From google 58,000,000 barbies are sold per year in 150 countries. Base price barbie is 9.99 without tax. That is Five hundred twenty-two million dollars, even the top crowd funded Spawn toy made barely 1 percent compared to that. Also Froggie is backed by a mainstream company in Dynamite and grovels before them just like one year ago.

This is probably the wrong place to have this debate but you're all wrong

Barbie could make 500 billion dollars and it wouldn't matter if the comapny's overhead + debt is 500 billion plus one dollars. They're bankrupt.

Frog can make the same product with virtually none of that overhead. Everybody has the same computing power and access to modelling software as the toy companies in their pockets now. That was unthinkable only a few years ago. Now he has access to the talent who can freelance and the internet replaces the travel to Asia to work with the factories. The only risk is upfront production costs and that's easily managed in the beginning with crowdfunded limited runs. Two years from now if he can show $5-10 million in sales from his garage whatever's left of that industry will seek him out like Dynamite, not the other way around.

The only missing piece is a pitchman and committed fanbase with disposable income. Check and check. Unless he self-destructs I don't see how he can lose.

I doubt the mainstream will die but they will go streaming and stop doing billion dollar budget cinematic universe setters.

Ding ding ding! With no overhead or expensive barrier to entry the independent has an advantage over a monolithic studio on that playing field.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Ding ding ding! With no overhead or expensive barrier to entry the independent has an advantage over a monolithic studio on that playing field.

But they will still be making movies that people will complain but still support the films. Which I don't understand about most anti-sjws.

 

[SpiderDerp]

Agreed.

Ethan's been pretty adamant that he doesn't want to do low tier toys like Mattels. He wants to be Todd McFarlane.

*Ethan's been pretty adamant that he wants to extract at least $100 a backer so he can bleed them dry on more crap that cost him 15 cents to produce before they dwindle away.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Spectre_06]

Hmmm... Claiming a criminal referral has been sent to a DA in Texas. Too bad the voice makes it impossible to believe.

"Sources close to The Comic Book Hutt..."

That's now how it works you autistic fucking faggot. Take your Down's Syndrome-having voice the fuck outta' here.

 

[FROG]

I believe EVS is aiming for the #1 crowdfunded project. Doug and SGM are people who can de-throne him.
I also think he is cleaning house to attract more reputable artists into the fold.

Yes, but just for fun. Doug should definitely beat CYBERFROG 2 with EWJ #2, because he's clever and learns. I'll have a new goal to beat with the third CYBERFROG when he does.

SGM's attitude reminds me of myself in 2017, trying to fence-sit with the most horrible SJWs imaginable. It's frustrating to me, because the outcome is going to be the same no matter what he says or does.

I also thought his approach to his campaign, his campaign itself, and the results so far are disappointing. The mainstream promotion he received also struck me as a message to ComicsGate that "we've still got our claws in this guy."

As for attracting more "reputable artists into the fold", for what reason? How would that benefit me? The comic book industry is in shambles. Who cares who comes over here or who doesn't? I usually discourage other pros.

Recently I kind of decided I would no longer do that, and maybe help a few if they wanted. But my goal is not and never was to add more mainstream pros to ComicsGate. My goal is to survive the death of the mainstream and get myself wealthy with Frog books. To the extent that they can make my YouTube show more fun, like Dan Fraga does, I'm interested.

My impression is that he plans to milk as many people as he can for 3-4 CyberFrog books before going to Holywood, Video Game makers, cartoons or mass market reprints. once TDS dies down and he is uncancelled. Crowdfunding money is change compared to the above.
I would also argue that he does not delay CF because he is lazy, but because he wants to get the most out of each campaign. He could easily pencil 48 pages in 3-6 months and have somebody (Kyle?) ink them on the down low and have 2-3 campaigns in a year. That could be double or triple the money, but he won't be able to be #1 for the clout. @FROG is not doing it for crowdfunding money or, if he does, he is a dumb fuck.

Yes, I do want to make as much money as I can doing CYBERFROG comics. I just outlined the fifth story, so there will be more than just four.

No, I am not "going to Hollywood" or anywhere. I'm staying right here, telling Frog stories. I don't expect any mainstream outlets to come to me at all. I believe that my reputation has been thoroughly poisoned, and anything that I want to do with CYBERFROG, I'll have to do myself. The good news is that a small but enthusiastic base is all anyone needs to become independently wealthy when they produce work like this themselves, and the internet is limitless.

So I'll make my own toys. I'll make animated short features. I'll commission an indie video game.

CYBERFROG will either grow because of word of mouth or it won't, but I've already made more money than I would have if I'd finished out a career at DC Comics. Things are good!

Doug T. was his ticket. And he blew that chance away himself.

Ha ha ha.

What records did it (or he) break, exactly?

I know he's done very well for himself, but I somehow thought there've been bigger crowd funded comics, both before and after Cyberfrog. Is Cyberfrog the biggest of all time?

There's one other project from 2011 or 2012, a Kickstarter, called THE ORDER OF THE STICK. It was a big hit from the early days of crowdfunding. It raised $1,254,120.

https://www.geeknative.com/68259/5-most-funded-kickstarter-comics-of-all-time/

That's the only one I know of that's beaten CYBERFROG: BLOODHONEY, which quit at $1,066,000.

REKT PLANET could possibly do it, but it's a big reach.

 

[Adamska]

In this newest attempt to peacock and damage control, we see Ethan showing how he's a faker human being than Matt "boulder king" Jarbo.

He's totally not trying to pretend that he isn't an insecure and angry narcissist at the best of times and didn't kill his own market by backing and using fall guys for gay ops.

 

[FROG]

In this newest attempt to peacock and damage control, we see Ethan showing how he's a faker human being than Matt "boulder king" Jarbo.

He's totally not trying to pretend that he isn't an insecure and angry narcissist at the best of times and didn't kill his own market by backing and using fall guys for gay ops.

Now you listen here...!

 

[CapeKnight]

I usually discourage other pros.

Why you always lying? In a previous stream, you just said you're gonna stop saying that and tell people to be ComicsGate and to join now. Now you're going back to "I usually tell people to not join". Are you retarded, or do you think we don't jump into your snorestreams once in a while to find the contradictions in your words?

Things are good!

I'll use the same reply you like to use:

Ha ha ha.

There's one other project from 2011 or 2012, a Kickstarter, called THE ORDER OF THE STICK, which was a WEBCOMIC, something I despise and have dismissed for years. It was a big hit from the early days of crowdfunding. It raised $1,254,120.

https://www.geeknative.com/68259/5-most-funded-kickstarter-comics-of-all-time/

That's the only one I know of that's beaten CYBERFROG: BLOODHONEY, which quit at $1,066,000, which I had to do 6 campaigns for to just reach that number, unlike most other people in my competition range who only did it once.

REKT ARSEHOLE could possibly do it, but it's a big reach because I have a shrinking audience size, and my growth is limited to how much I can squeeze my paypigs.

Fixed this one for you, big guy.

 

[FROG]

Why you always lying? In a previous stream, you just said you're gonna stop saying that and tell people to be ComicsGate and to join now. Now you're going back to "I usually tell people to not join". Are you retarded, or do you think we don't jump into your snorestreams once in a while to find the contradictions in your words?

"I usually discourage other pros.

Recently I kind of decided I would no longer do that, and maybe help a few if they wanted."

Read the whole thing before you shit your pants and post here, retard.

 

[CapeKnight]

"I usually discourage other pros.

Recently I kind of decided I would no longer do that, and maybe help a few if they wanted."

Read the whole thing before you shit your pants and post here, retard.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself Eehee, you don't help anyone, and like I said, no one should take you at your word. You spent a good amount of time shittalking SGM in a stream. Then you switch your stance. I read it all, and I don't buy your bullshit. You don't have it in you to help anyone and not hold it over their head so they'd kiss the ring and bend the knee.

Also, didn't you just say Black Lives Matter, but SJW Lives don't? Care to comment on what happens to a Black SJW? Do they matter? Your dumbass can't create a venn diagram to find a common ground with anyone, only the dumbest of the dumbest would come to you for help.

 

[FROG]

Check yourself before you wreck yourself Eehee, you don't help anyone, and like I said, no one should take you at your word. You spent a good amount of time shittalking SGM in a stream. Then you switch your stance. I read it all, and I don't buy your bullshit. You don't have it in you to help anyone and not hold it over their head so they'd kiss the ring and bend the knee.

Also, didn't you just say Black Lives Matter, but SJW Lives don't? Care to comment on what happens to a Black SJW? Do they matter? Your dumbass can't create a venn diagram to find a common ground with anyone, only the dumbest of the dumbest would come to you for help.

Everyone is helped by me, and everyone should listen to me.

#ShouldaListenedToEVS