Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Bunny Tracks]

The only character I still actively like is Mikasa and that's because she's a badass who's literally done nothing wrong the entire series. I just want her to be happy. She has done nothing to deserve all the shit that she gets.

I don't really care about any other character with the exception of Levi, but that's because I just want him to fucking die.

 

[Stay safe]

The only character I still actively like is Mikasa and that's because she's a badass who's literally done nothing wrong

I can't agree with that after how she treated Louise when she was on her deathbed.

If you forgot about that whole subplot, I don't blame you, Isayama did too.

But even ignoring that, I really can't get over how neglectful she was to Eren's ridiculously obvious PTSD.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I can't agree with that after how she treated Louise when she was on her deathbed.

If you forgot about that whole subplot, I don't blame you, Isayama did too.

But even ignoring that, I really can't get over how neglectful she was to Eren's ridiculously obvious PTSD.

Not gonna lie, I did completely forget about that subplot.

Like entirely.

As in I had to google who the fuck Louise was to figure out what the hell you were talking about. Yeah, that was pretty dickish of her.

Same with the PTSD thing, although I don't think the blame can land solely on her when everyone else was ignoring it as well. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't absolve her of what she did, and I do think that she of all people should've known something was up, but I can't hate her that much for it when she wasn't the only one ignoring the blatantly obvious.

Regardless, I still think she doesn't deserve all the shit she gets.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I agree with some people here that if the author always wanted Eren to become a villain he should have gone with a Frankenstein plot where everyone's mistreatment of Eren turns him into a monster.

Instead we get grimderp Nazi larping.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Not gonna lie, I did completely forget about that subplot.

Like entirely.

As in I had to google who the fuck Louise was to figure out what the hell you were talking about. Yeah, that was pretty dickish of her.

Same with the PTSD thing, although I don't think the blame can land solely on her when everyone else was ignoring it as well. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't absolve her of what she did, and I do think that she of all people should've known something was up, but I can't hate her that much for it when she wasn't the only one ignoring the blatantly obvious.

Regardless, I still think she doesn't deserve all the shit she gets.

She ignored it because of author fiat. Mikasa was blatantly in fucking love with Eren and cared about every aspect of him, and then all of a sudden she wasn't for no inexplicable reason.

I can't dislike a character who was purposefully sabotaged by the author to make his shitty story work.

I agree with some people here that if the author always wanted Eren to become a villain he should have gone with a Frankenstein plot where everyone's mistreatment of Eren turns him into a monster.

Instead we get grimderp Nazi larping.

The thing is he fucked up at Eren becoming a villain. Most people support him. So he couldn't even do THAT correct.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

She ignored it because of author fiat. Mikasa was blatantly in fucking love with Eren and cared about every aspect of him, and then all of a sudden she wasn't for no inexplicable reason.

I can't dislike a character who was purposefully sabotaged by the author to make his shitty story work.

Here's the thing. When I first read the scene, I thought Mikasa family-zoned herself because she got nervous, and was afraid of being rejected by Eren. I think she was still in love with Eren and cared about him, but she was afraid that if she told him that he wouldn't return her feelings and she'd be heartbroken.

I know that Eren was clearly hoping she felt that way about him and was obviously trying to convey that to her, and I sort of feel like she knew that too, but when you're that infatuated and in love with a person, you tend to doubt yourself and get incredibly nervous when it comes to telling that person how you truly feel. Even if they clearly feel the same way about you.

I know that I'm giving Isayama way too much credit here, but if I absolutely had to give him the benefit of the doubt, I think her suddenly family-zoning herself has more to do with the above reasons and not just author fiat.

Ya know, unlike her and everyone else ignoring Eren's obvious depression, PTSD, and declining mental health. I take a lot more issue with that personally.

The thing is he fucked up at Eren becoming a villain. Most people support him. So he couldn't even do THAT correct.

The thing is that most people wouldn't be supporting him if the entire world wasn't also absurdly racist to the point of being a-okay with holocausting his race. That's the problem.

All he had to do was just have Eren assume everyone else hated his race because of the limited terrible experiences he had with the KoM, and he just naively thought that the entire world was just as bad and hateful as them. It would still be dumb, but at least it would make more sense than the entire fucking world hating his race to the point of wanting to genocide them over what happened to some pigs two-thousand years ago.

 

[DrRockzosNose]

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All he had to do was just have Eren assume everyone else hated his race because of the limited terrible experiences he had with the KoM, and he just naively thought that the entire world was just as bad and hateful as them. It would still be dumb, but at least it would make more sense than the entire fucking world hating his race to the point of wanting to genocide them over what happened to some pigs two-thousand years ago.

IIRC, the entire world hates Paradis Island and all Eldians due to the 2000 or so years of them smushing them like fly's. The only country that treats their Eldians somewhat ok is the land where the Azumibitou come from. That dweeb kid Udo even mentioned how badly they were treated in other countries

 

[Trashfire Garbagefuck]

Not gonna lie, I did completely forget about that subplot.

Like entirely.

As in I had to google who the fuck Louise was to figure out what the hell you were talking about. Yeah, that was pretty dickish of her.

Same with the PTSD thing, although I don't think the blame can land solely on her when everyone else was ignoring it as well. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't absolve her of what she did, and I do think that she of all people should've known something was up, but I can't hate her that much for it when she wasn't the only one ignoring the blatantly obvious.

Regardless, I still think she doesn't deserve all the shit she gets.

I remember being fascinated by her joining the survey corps and wanted to see where that would go and how mikasa would react. I recognized her before they outright said she was the girl mikasa saved. and it really never went anywhere. her character or mikasa's reaction to her. the way mikasa treated her on her deathbed though, bleh. I know she's said before there's only so much room in her heart, and she's an awkward person who's not the best with people skills, but she could have at least comforted her in some small way. even if it was just a pat on the head or to hold her hand for a minute.

but overall mikasa does get treated like shit for no good reason I agree

 

[Secret Asshole]

IIRC, the entire world hates Paradis Island and all Eldians due to the 2000 or so years of them smushing them like fly's. The only country that treats their Eldians somewhat ok is the land where the Azumibitou come from. That dweeb kid Udo even mentioned how badly they were treated in other countries

Its fucking hysterical to me that they're still THIS pissed after all this time. Its so pathetic its right out of a cartoon. It does not mesh at all with the story its trying to tell.

Here's the thing. When I first read the scene, I thought Mikasa family-zoned herself because she got nervous, and was afraid of being rejected by Eren. I think she was still in love with Eren and cared about him, but she was afraid that if she told him that he wouldn't return her feelings and she'd be heartbroken.

I know that Eren was clearly hoping she felt that way about him and was obviously trying to convey that to her, and I sort of feel like she knew that too, but when you're that infatuated and in love with a person, you tend to doubt yourself and get incredibly nervous when it comes to telling that person how you truly feel. Even if they clearly feel the same way about you.

I know that I'm giving Isayama way too much credit here, but if I absolutely had to give him the benefit of the doubt, I think her suddenly family-zoning herself has more to do with the above reasons and not just author fiat.

Ya know, unlike her and everyone else ignoring Eren's obvious depression, PTSD, and declining mental health. I take a lot more issue with that personally.

The thing is that most people wouldn't be supporting him if the entire world wasn't also absurdly racist to the point of being a-okay with holocausting his race. That's the problem.

All he had to do was just have Eren assume everyone else hated his race because of the limited terrible experiences he had with the KoM, and he just naively thought that the entire world was just as bad and hateful as them. It would still be dumb, but at least it would make more sense than the entire fucking world hating his race to the point of wanting to genocide them over what happened to some pigs two-thousand years ago.

I don't believe for a second she would have ignored in character wise. Mikasa is not THAT weak and cares a great deal about Eren. She's done that by author fiat because Isayama wanted Eren to turn out this way and didn't know how to do it other than by make everyone next to him an awful person. So I forgive her for that.

And you definitely are. She rejected him because it needed to be rejected. That's the long and short of it. I'm not putting story faith into a guy who rushes chapters, fucks up so badly that people confuse them for story beats and has to forcibly change character's personalities to make his story work.

Nah, lets go with the entire world is a cartoon instead. Like its a fucking joke as to how racist he makes everything.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

don't believe for a second she would have ignored in character wise. Mikasa is not THAT weak and cares a great deal about Eren. She's done that by author fiat because Isayama wanted Eren to turn out this way and didn't know how to do it other than by make everyone next to him an awful person. So I forgive her for that.

And you definitely are. She rejected him because it needed to be rejected. That's the long and short of it. I'm not putting story faith into a guy who rushes chapters, fucks up so badly that people confuse them for story beats and has to forcibly change character's personalities to make his story work.

Nah, lets go with the entire world is a cartoon instead. Like its a fucking joke as to how racist he makes everything.

Hey, I wasn't calling Mikasa weak or anything like that. All I was saying is that is being in love with someone can make even the bravest and strongest people turn into nervous, self-doubting dumbasses, and furthermore, that isn't weakness. Being scared to the person she's in love with doesn't make her any less strong at all. It makes her human, and it was an understandable, natural reaction which is something that series desperately needs as of late.

Look, I do agree that her rejecting him was author fiat, but I'm not gonna say that it makes her weak because it doesn't. I hate to say it, but that scene provided the most fucking human interaction we've had in this entire last arc, and I hate the fact that it was a good scene that was used to disguise a fucking reason to turn this series into a racist, genocidal revenge fic.

 

[DrRockzosNose]

The fact that they are what a couple hundred years removed and genocided and treated like slave cattle is what cracks my shit up. Like holy hell, the AoT verse humanity holds a grudge more than the most petty people we've ever seen! Like honest to god, this whole thrust into "modern age" fucked up what was once my favorite manga. Had high hopes for the shit across the sea after the timeskip break

 

[Stay safe]

The fact that they are what a couple hundred years removed and genocided and treated like slave cattle is what cracks my shit up. Like holy hell, the AoT verse humanity holds a grudge more than the most petty people we've ever seen! Like honest to god, this whole thrust into "modern age" fucked up what was once my favorite manga. Had high hopes for the shit across the sea after the timeskip break

Apparently, Marley feeds the hate machine by using mindless Titans as weapons. Which makes no fucking sense, because it's incredibly obvious the Eldians aren't doing it willingly.

It's like the world just hears the word Eldians, forgets all context, and starts foaming at the mouth with rage.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

It's all just so dumb and completely unnecessary.

All we had to do was get to the basement, kill all the titans, and see the ocean. This series didn't need anything else.

 

[DrRockzosNose]

Apparently, Marley feeds the hate machine by using mindless Titans as weapons. Which makes no fucking sense, because it's incredibly obvious the Eldians aren't doing it willingly.

It's like the world just hears the word Eldians, forgets all context, and starts foaming at the mouth with rage.

So this is what a world infected with TDS would be like......

Also, I think they shouldn't have show the spine jellyfish thing. Just have her fall into the tree and then explode out in titan form.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It's all just so dumb and completely unnecessary.

All we had to do was get to the basement, kill all the titans, and see the ocean. This series didn't need anything else.

Should have known the series was gonna go to shit when the first part of the plan didn't happen in due time.

 

[Uranus Pink]

The novel Shin Sekai Yori which came out in 2008 shown how to carry out a multi thousand year grudge for very damn good reason.

Satoshi Urushibara's Chirality 1995-97 despite the "porn with plot" tier writing proven ending the story at the "basement" type scenario does work. Granted it does involves self-awareness to know your limitations as a writer.

 

[Stay safe]

Here's something you guys might find interesting, it's a Titanfolk thread showing what the Japanese fandom thinks of the recent chapters.

To sum it up, the Cringevengers receive even more hate there, especially Hange, more then one person is hoping that Floch (who seems to be more popular there) will pass divine retribution onto her. This is probably because Eastern countries hate betrayal even more then Western countries do.

They're also even more baffled by their lack of a plan then we are, and don't understand why Isayama won't have them come up with one.

Despite this, they have the more neutral nickname of "Rescue Team" for them.

Levi has been given the insulting nickname of "Doll" because he hasn't said or done shit since he was crippled.

Unlike in the West, where the Gabi hate fizzled out because people grew to dislike the Cringevengers even more, it's still just as strong in Japan and they feel Isayama is trying way too hard to make them like her.

They really miss Historia, and at least one person said he'll give up on the series if she's not on Eren's side.

 

[Strange Wilderness]

IIRC, the entire world hates Paradis Island and all Eldians due to the 2000 or so years of them smushing them like fly's. The only country that treats their Eldians somewhat ok is the land where the Azumibitou come from. That dweeb kid Udo even mentioned how badly they were treated in other countries

The fact that they are what a couple hundred years removed and genocided and treated like slave cattle is what cracks my shit up. Like holy hell, the AoT verse humanity holds a grudge more than the most petty people we've ever seen! Like honest to god, this whole thrust into "modern age" fucked up what was once my favorite manga. Had high hopes for the shit across the sea after the timeskip break

The fact that the whole world has simultaneously decided to hate the Eldians to the point of having a worldwide conference to say 'Fuck these guys" is so absurd and ridiculous. The hatred of the Eldians could have been something Marley enforced throughout its vast empire that other nations parroted to get on Marleys good side so they wouldn't get invaded next making Erens actions rash and foolish as well as giving a reasonable end goal to the series, defeat Marley and get a happy ending. Instead because the whole world hates them from government officials to lowly peasants Erens genocide plan has become the most reasonable and logical solution to conclude the story.

It's all just so dumb and completely unnecessary.

All we had to do was get to the basement, kill all the titans, and see the ocean. This series didn't need anything else.

Agreed. After the uprising arc or after the Shingashima arc have the cast discover what Zeke and the other Titan Shifters plans are before having the final battle. Zeke should have been the main antagonist who wanted to weaponize the Wall Titans for his own nefarious plans, either as an agent of Marley or as an independent antagonist in a Titan filled world. Eren defeats him, lets go of his hatred and uses the power of the coordinate to eliminate the Titans forever. He and his friends decide to spend the rest of their lives exploring the newly freed world. No need for plot twists just a basic simple story with a conclusion that won't alienate its entire audience in an attempt to copy GoT.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Levi has been given the insulting nickname of "Doll" because he hasn't said or done shit since he was crippled.

I mean, I hate to defend Levi for anything, but he did just get his ass blown up.

Frankly, I'd be pissed if he was running around doing shit.

Edit: Random, but Eren now has a page on the Villains wiki.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Lol, Everytime I catch up on AoT in this thread, I keep wondering what happened to those first few seasons I enjoyed.

Like...wow.