Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Secret Asshole]

I've seen the comparisons to Evangelion in the past few pages, but to be honest, I don't think it's particularly accurate. EVA at least was a character exploration on what escapism does to you. Hideaki Anno is kind of well known for using that story to tell people all the negative outcomes of what being an Otaku does to you... which fell on deaf ears. It had some sense of self improvement themes in it.

Attack on Titan on the other hand, is just Isayama's unfiltered rage at this point. Things don't get better not because they can't, things don't get better because he's so narrow minded about what he's trying to do. The nihilism game is so strong in this guy it doesn't even warrant a Shinji comparison. Also, I think Isayama loves doing this to his readers. He thrives in it. Anno absolutely despises having to come back and work on EVA Rebuild because that entire set of movies was his "fuck you guys for not getting the message and turning my small show into a cult".

Isayama definitely enjoys hurting his audience. He's got full on GoT syndrome and has had it for awhile. The problem is everyone is already rooting for Eren, so he'll just have to do some dumb bullshit to Eren to piss everyone off. I mean, hysterically, Reiner is still fucking impotent. He's been a constant fuck up. The only thing he ever did right was smash the walls in, but otherwise he's spent nearly the entire manga getting his ass kicked.

AoT is definitely nihilism for nihilism's sake. There's no point to it.

I mean there's a difference and it's not because it's "garbage" since it's still doing well with most people. It's because there were issues with WIT Studio which originally did the series that were at fault with budgeting issues along with having too many animators overworking which is what caused Season 3 to split in half, and Iseyama wants to have some clear control over the anime's production as he helped with the Uprising arc in the anime because he didn't like it in the manga and sort of schedules things within the anime as a way to "draw parallels" with his manga, and he also places foreshadowing in the endings.

AOT's anime issues was due to not having a very reliable studio and Iseyama really wanting to have some control on the anime adaption which I don't think many studios really want or it could just be that other studios have other big projects to work on that AOT doesn't finish their schedule.

I feel a better comparison to this would've been Full Metal Alchemist because Arakawa was doing their final arc while Brotherhood was airing and made sure to get through to it so the team of Brotherhood could animate it. Hell while it was divided, Arakawa gave full creative freedom to the 2003 FMA team since she knew she wouldn't have finished the manga by then.

As for current AOT, it's not much of a surprise Iseyama is taking influence from Western Media for his most recent stuff since his original ending was literally a ripoff of the ending to The Mist.

I guess so. But still, you'd think another studio would have picked up on it. I'm already guessing that the studio has consulted with Isayama on the ending, as he can't be very far away from it and he already knows what he's going to do. I doubt it will be an anime-only ending. Though with the amount of shit they have to cram into two cours is fucking hilarious. No idea how they're going to do that. And I fucking hate the art style they're going with. Choosing to copy Isayama's style for the anime, fucking ugh. The manga is ass ugly, usually you try to make it look better. A lot of the time I have trouble distinguishing between characters because the art is so trash and everyone looks identical.

The only shame is that the music is absolutely wasted on AoT. I mean, the animation and music is beautiful. Its a shame everything else on it is trash.

 

[CapeKnight]

AoT is definitely nihilism for nihilism's sake. There's no point to it.

I'm with you 100% on this point at this time of posting. I initially thought there was some point to it, at least, that seemed to be the case awhile back. We were getting some pretty good build up and what not. The fact that it's turned into what it's become is a real shame, but I think we can savor the good parts in the beginning, can't we?

I doubt it will be an anime-only ending. Though with the amount of shit they have to cram into two cours is fucking hilarious. No idea how they're going to do that.

It seems my worst fear might be coming true. They're gonna Tokyo Ghoul:re it.

The only shame is that the music is absolutely wasted on AoT. I mean, the animation and music is beautiful. Its a shame everything else on it is trash.

Much like Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress, another WIT Studio productions that was trying to mimic the success of AoT. You know what, give the time traveling powers to me! I'll go back in time and infiltrate into the studios and make sure none of this happened!

Oh who am I kidding, this shit is beyond saving...

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I guess so. But still, you'd think another studio would have picked up on it. I'm already guessing that the studio has consulted with Isayama on the ending, as he can't be very far away from it and he already knows what he's going to do. I doubt it will be an anime-only ending. Though with the amount of shit they have to cram into two cours is fucking hilarious. No idea how they're going to do that. And I fucking hate the art style they're going with. Choosing to copy Isayama's style for the anime, fucking ugh. The manga is ass ugly, usually you try to make it look better. A lot of the time I have trouble distinguishing between characters because the art is so trash and everyone looks identical.

The only shame is that the music is absolutely wasted on AoT. I mean, the animation and music is beautiful. Its a shame everything else on it is trash.

Well with Attack on Titan the studio is usually commissioned by Pony Canyon to make the anime as most anime adaptations are really commissions by the creators for the most part which is how it works and Iseyama is probably one of those artists who wants direct control in the anime adaptation to get his vision to the screen.

Furthermore, no anime studio really cares about the quality of a show they are animating as long as it makes money, otherwise we wouldn't be getting so many trashy anime that have been coming out left and right that market on popular trends.

 

[Draza]

 

[DrRockzosNose]

Reiner is still fucking impotent. He's been a constant fuck up. The only thing he ever did right was smash the walls in, but otherwise he's spent nearly the entire manga getting his ass kicked.

That was Bertholdt who kicked the wall open, Reiner has sucked ass the entire series except for kidnapping Eren and Ymir(which what the fuck man, not a flashback to see her death?). Even then he was having a mental breakdown

 

[Bunny Tracks]

That was Bertholdt who kicked the wall open, Reiner has sucked ass the entire series except for kidnapping Eren and Ymir(which what the fuck man, not a flashback to see her death?). Even then he was having a mental breakdown

Bertholdt kicked down the gates of the wall, and Reiner then ran through the wall itself to make the area seemingly unsalvagable and to let more titans in.

 

[Draza]

Reiner also did fairly well in Fort Salva

 

[Stay safe]

Reiner also did fairly well in Fort Salva

But that was mainly against opponents didn't have any weapons effective against Titans. As soon as the anti-Titan cannons were brought out, Reiner was down in seconds.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Well with Attack on Titan the studio is usually commissioned by Pony Canyon to make the anime as most anime adaptations are really commissions by the creators for the most part which is how it works and Iseyama is probably one of those artists who wants direct control in the anime adaptation to get his vision to the screen.

Furthermore, no anime studio really cares about the quality of a show they are animating as long as it makes money, otherwise we wouldn't be getting so many trashy anime that have been coming out left and right that market on popular trends.

I mean, in any genre the amount of trash is going to exceed the good. But anime itself ways always basically hitting the line between profit and poverty, so it isn't a surprise we're seeing a ton of garbage coming out. Now that it can finally make money and we're away from the era were OVAs crammed a ton of story into like 3 episodes where everything was nonsense.

But yeah, aside from David Productions with Jojo (even Araki isn't heavily involved, they just respect him so much it seems like it), I can't really recall a mangaka being this hands on.

That was Bertholdt who kicked the wall open, Reiner has sucked ass the entire series except for kidnapping Eren and Ymir(which what the fuck man, not a flashback to see her death?). Even then he was having a mental breakdown

No you see people liked Ymir, so we couldn't see it.

I'm with you 100% on this point at this time of posting. I initially thought there was some point to it, at least, that seemed to be the case awhile back. We were getting some pretty good build up and what not. The fact that it's turned into what it's become is a real shame, but I think we can savor the good parts in the beginning, can't we?



It seems my worst fear might be coming true. They're gonna Tokyo Ghoul:re it.



Much like Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress, another WIT Studio productions that was trying to mimic the success of AoT. You know what, give the time traveling powers to me! I'll go back in time and infiltrate into the studios and make sure none of this happened!

Oh who am I kidding, this shit is beyond saving...

I mean, I've been wanting to steal the first third of Attack on Titan for a long while now and do my own thing with it. But hopefully some anime does steal the first third and keeps it into the horror genre it was.

The problem with horror is that you never let your audience know what your monster is about. What made the Titans truly terrifying were that they looked like people, except their motives were completely alien. They didn't need to eat people to survive. They attacked for seemingly no purpose. When they killed you, it wasn't even malicious it seemed. It was just this robotic action that you couldn't comprehend. They couldn't be negotiated with, they couldn't be bargained with either. They were just going to fucking kill you with this smile on their face and seemingly killing them serves no purpose or barely slows them down.

When you remove this unknown aspect, the fear level plummets. You can no longer have the first third and have that primal level of fear. Which is what made AoT so compelling. They weren't zombies, they were something more, something out of a Grimm fairy tale, alien, magical and incomprehensible to humanity. The story lost a HUGE amount with me when they explained them. And it just kept getting worse. It kept absolutely no mystique to the titans, to the fact where they've been basically pushed into the background and the threat of them unceremoniously eliminated by the titan crusher.

When they appear later on, they're more like an inconvenience or done to unceremoniously kill named/nameless characters by transforming them. Most of the focus is on Titan shifters, which is boring as fuck because they're just people.

An d as for Tokyo Ghoul, never seen it. I've heard the endings suck to all of them. But yeah, the amount of shit to cram into season 4...lesse...they hit the basement in 2016. So basically, they've got over four years of manga to cram into 24 episodes, since it probably won't be done until the middle or end of 2021. That's a lot of manga. AoT also can't really be divided up like Jojo into easy pieces. No idea what its going to look like.

Reiner also did fairly well in Fort Salva

I mean, he's still been shit all over for 90% of the manga. I don't know why Isayama hates him, but for some reason he does.

But that was mainly against opponents didn't have any weapons effective against Titans. As soon as the anti-Titan cannons were brought out, Reiner was down in seconds.

Also this.

 

[Stay safe]

I mean, he's still be shit all over for 90% of the manga. I don't know why Isayama hates him, but for some reason he does.

I can't decide if Isayama hates him or if made him so pathetic and nonthreatening to make it easier to go "Look, when you get down to the basics of it, the Nazis were the real victims".

 

[Bunny Tracks]

And as for Tokyo Ghoul, never seen it. I've heard the endings suck to all of them.

To massively oversimplify, Tokyo Ghoul is like AoT in that they're both horror manga revolving around monsters eating people. Both had really unique premises and really strong beginnings, and both managed to ruin themselves by dumping in a fuckton of unnecessary lore and characters and shoving the majority of the old cast into the background and adding over-the-top edgy stuff just for the sake of being edgy. The only difference is the TG did not wreck itself, nor go off the rails nearly as badly as AoT did, and TG actually ended on a shockingly, and rather cheap, fake, and forced feeling happy note.

Also, the author, Ishida, seems to be a surprisingly chill, polite, and kind person. He frequently (or frequently used to, I haven't checked in years) replies to his readers' questions on twitter, and seems to be very happy, and grateful for their support and continued interest in his series.

Contrast this with Isayama who seems to hate everyone and everything.

I mean, he's still be shit all over for 90% of the manga. I don't know why Isayama hates him, but for some reason he does.

I can't decide if Isayama hates him or if made him so pathetic and nonthreatening to make it easier to go "Look, when you get down to the basics of it, the Nazis were the real victims".

I distinctively recall Isayama once claiming at one point that Reiner was his favorite character. I take that to mean he was his favorite because he loved torturing him so much.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I was listening to the soundtrack recently (amazing despite the material) and watching another anime, Babylon, and another thing struck me in the earlier days of the manga: The absolute helplessness humanity felt in the face of the Titans. Its a hard emotion to evoke and it really does capture that. Which is really lost later on.

Like there is so much good emotional shit with the first third of AoT, to throw that all away is just...its sad. Its a waste of a good story.

To massively oversimplify, Tokyo Ghoul is like AoT in that they're both horror manga revolving around monsters eating people. Both had really unique premises and really strong beginnings, and both managed to ruin themselves by dumping in a fuckton of unnecessary lore and characters and shoving the majority of the old cast into the background and adding over-the-top edgy stuff just for the sake of being edgy. The only difference is the TG did not wreck itself, nor go off the rails nearly as badly as AoT did, and TG actually ended on a shockingly, and rather cheap, fake, and forced feeling happy note.

Also, the author, Ishida, seems to be a surprisingly chill, polite, and kind person. He frequently (or frequently used to, I haven't checked in years) replies to his readers' questions on twitter, and seems to be very happy, and grateful for their support and continued interest in his series.

Contrast this with Isayama who seems to hate everyone and everything.


I distinctively recall Isayama once claiming at one point that Reiner was his favorite character. I take that to mean he was his favorite because he loved torturing him so much.

Maybe I'll watch it then. If I had to chose bad endings, I'd rather have a forced happy ending than a forced nihilistic ending.

Yeah, he's more like Isayama's favorite puppy to torture, the sociopathic autist.


EDIT:
I also don't recommend Babylon, don't watch that shit.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I was listening to the soundtrack recently (amazing despite the material) and watching another anime, Babylon, and another thing struck me in the earlier days of the manga: The absolute helplessness humanity felt in the face of the Titans. Its a hard emotion to evoke and it really does capture that. Which is really lost later on.

Like there is so much good emotional shit with the first third of AoT, to throw that all away is just...its sad. Its a waste of a good story.



Maybe I'll watch it then. If I had to chose bad endings, I'd rather have a forced happy ending than a forced nihilistic ending.

Yeah, he's more like Isayama's favorite puppy to torture, the sociopathic autist.


EDIT:
I also don't recommend Babylon, don't watch that shit.

If you're watching the anime for Tokyo Ghoul I wouldn't recommend it as it is really rushed and the second season had the mangaka try to get hands on but created a major mess. If you're going to experience Tokyo Ghoul, I'd recommend reading the manga

 

[Secret Asshole]

If you're watching the anime for Tokyo Ghoul I wouldn't recommend it as it is really rushed and the second season had the mangaka try to get hands on but created a major mess. If you're going to experience Tokyo Ghoul, I'd recommend reading the manga

Thanks for that, I'll do that instead.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

I mean, in any genre the amount of trash is going to exceed the good. But anime itself ways always basically hitting the line between profit and poverty, so it isn't a surprise we're seeing a ton of garbage coming out. Now that it can finally make money and we're away from the era were OVAs crammed a ton of story into like 3 episodes where everything was nonsense.

But yeah, aside from David Productions with Jojo (even Araki isn't heavily involved, they just respect him so much it seems like it), I can't really recall a mangaka being this hands on.



No you see people liked Ymir, so we couldn't see it.



I mean, I've been wanting to steal the first third of Attack on Titan for a long while now and do my own thing with it. But hopefully some anime does steal the first third and keeps it into the horror genre it was.

The problem with horror is that you never let your audience know what your monster is about. What made the Titans truly terrifying were that they looked like people, except their motives were completely alien. They didn't need to eat people to survive. They attacked for seemingly no purpose. When they killed you, it wasn't even malicious it seemed. It was just this robotic action that you couldn't comprehend. They couldn't be negotiated with, they couldn't be bargained with either. They were just going to fucking kill you with this smile on their face and seemingly killing them serves no purpose or barely slows them down.

When you remove this unknown aspect, the fear level plummets. You can no longer have the first third and have that primal level of fear. Which is what made AoT so compelling. They weren't zombies, they were something more, something out of a Grimm fairy tale, alien, magical and incomprehensible to humanity. The story lost a HUGE amount with me when they explained them. And it just kept getting worse. It kept absolutely no mystique to the titans, to the fact where they've been basically pushed into the background and the threat of them unceremoniously eliminated by the titan crusher.

When they appear later on, they're more like an inconvenience or done to unceremoniously kill named/nameless characters by transforming them. Most of the focus is on Titan shifters, which is boring as fuck because they're just people.

An d as for Tokyo Ghoul, never seen it. I've heard the endings suck to all of them. But yeah, the amount of shit to cram into season 4...lesse...they hit the basement in 2016. So basically, they've got over four years of manga to cram into 24 episodes, since it probably won't be done until the middle or end of 2021. That's a lot of manga. AoT also can't really be divided up like Jojo into easy pieces. No idea what its going to look like.

I think one of the things that killed AoT's mystique was that suddenly everyone was a Titan. Eren should have stayed the only shifter for a good long while, but of course, time and effort aren't worth it.

As far as the last season, they'll probably do timeskips and montages as necessary to skip dead air as much as possible. Even then, that might not be enough, they'll have to go Full-Metal Alchemist and make up a final arc that is similar but just different enough, in this case probably come up with a better origin that "the fucking pigs got out, start the holocaust".

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Remember when people thought the massive trash that was Isayama's art was evidence of time fuckery and complex plots? I do. But nope, it was just him being a perpetual fuck up.

This is late, but even back when this series was good, I can remember on two separate occasions when his fuck ups actually caused massive confusion and panic in the fandom.

Example one is when after getting his arm bitten off, Erwin appeared to have it back in one of the next panels. This led to everyone speculating that Erwin was also a titan-shifter, and that he might've also been a villain. Admittedly, the latter part had more to do with people suddenly taking issue with him being named after an actual Nazi (even though that had been a known fact for quite a while) and not because his plans seemed almost intentionally designed to cause damage like I did.

The other example is when everyone thought Marco was also a titan-shifter, and a villain because he was always seen with Annie, Reiner, and Bertholdt, there was a background character who looked just like him (I think it might've been Samuel, but I can't remember for sure) and people were speculating that Marco's corpse was actually that guy's, and when during the time when the SC was trying to capture Annie in the woods, the fandom thought the unknown person following them could've been Marco because the person (who later turned out to be Annie) was drawn with a mannish build for some reason. Like I know it was because he was trying to not give it away, but she deadass looked like a man. Kinda like how Mikasa does now.

I love how even Isayama's own shitty art can make better stories than he can.

 

[madethistocomment]

This is late, but even back when this series was good, I can remember on two seperate occasions when his fuck ups actually caused massive confusion and panic in the fandom.

Example one is when after getting his arm bitten off, Erwin appeared to have it back in one of the next panels. This led to everyone speculating that Erwin was also a titan-shifter, and that he might've also been a villain. Admittedly, the latter part had more to do with people suddenly taking issue with him being named after an actual Nazi (even though that had been a known fact for quite a while) and not because his plans seemed almost intentionally designed to cause damage like I did.

The example is when everyone thought Marco was also a titan-shifter, and a villain because he was always seen with Annie, Reiner, and Bertholdt, there was a background character who looked just like him (I think it might've been Samuel, but I can't remember for sure) and people were speculating Marco's corpse was actually that guy's, and when during the time when the SC was trying to capture Annie in the woods, the fandom thought the unknown person following them could've been Marco because the person (who later turned out to be Annie) was drawn with a mannish build for some reason. Like I know it was because he was trying to not give it away, but she deadass looked like a man. Kinda like how Mikasa does now.

I love how even Isayama's own shitty art can make better stories than he can.

The Titan-Shifter Marco theory was a genuinely awesome theory and to this day I am ever so slightly salty that it never came true.

Probably for the best though, since Isayama would inevitably fuck it all up.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Probably for the best though, since Isayama would inevitably fuck it all up.

Knowing Isayama, he probably would've made it so that Marco was the one who actually let the pigs out in the first place.

 

[Zaryiu]

I'll never stop being amused, amazed, and utterly baffled by how AoT has literally turned itself into an AU fanfic. Like, I'm looking at old memes, parodies, and fanart, and they've aged so poorly it's like they're not even from the same series. It's so jarring it doesn't even feel real sometimes.

I keep getting YouTube recommendations for videos gushing about how "genius" this series is, and every one of them just makes me wanna blow my brains out.

I just wanna grab the person, and say "Look me in the eye and tell me that time-travel, genocide, and global bigotry against a single race all because a little girl let out some pigs over two-thousand years ago is genius. Do it. Tell me."

I thought it was implied that whatever race the show is centered around (I shouldn't have to remember that if nothing in this matter) used a whole bunch of Titans to try and conquer part of/the world or is that more thought than the hack in charge put in? Because in that case I could see people being utterly pissed at that kind of atrocities (atrocities I assume would happen in that case because well this is AoT) but the whole world wanting or being okay with genocide would still be bullshit from a hack

That's amazing.

*Is having literal PTSD from concentration camp flashbacks to the extent that he doesn't know where he is*

"Hey emo faggot, stop spacing out."

"Yeah, why are you being a bitch, we're trying to enjoy some ice cream over here, God."

*five years later*

"WHY DOES EREN WANT TO MURDER EVERYONE?! IT IS A MYSTERY"

Levi is so fucking incompetent. He's supposed to be supervising this living weapon and absolutely does not give a singular absolute fuck about Eren. He's like an angry babysitter who is annoyed he has to look over this child who he expects will never ever ever disobey him. Its absolutely perplexing. He looks after Eren basically at the barest obligation to Erwin. His friends in those flashbacks basically ignore his increasing isolation and his memories. They don't even bother trying to counsel him. Levi basically treats him like a loose cannon when all he's been wanting to do is just protect people he cares about and he's just ignored and treated like dirt over and over again.

When Eren reaches out to Mikasa, as basically a last act of desperation, Isayama basically has to write a shitty excuse as to why this fails. Its not really tragic when its so badly done and you basically have no build up. He shouldn't have even had the shot, it should have been prevented by Levi (who should have been written as a villian). But for some fucking reason, after clearly loving Eren this entire time, she's just like, 'Nah' and basically brushes him off without a concern. For no fucking reason I can figure out.

Levi needed to be the villain. He's always greatly disliked Eren, right from the start. Levi has NEVER respected Eren, ever. He's viewed him as a means to an end and pretty much hates him and basically offers him the barest respect. But for some fucking reason he's written as a hero? Uh, no. Levi needs to be written as a villain. Otherwise you're just writing a fucking idiot (which Levi is, but he's clearly not meant to be). Other people will say, "Well, Levi saw Eren as a loose cannon!" No motherfucker. If he foresaw that, he would have done something to curb it, not do everything in his power to reinforce that attitude and hatred. At every turn Levi treats Eren with absolute contempt. If Eren was a grease fire, Levi put on an apron and danced around, pouring more and more water on it until the entire house was engulfed in flames.

Levi should have been purposefully written as a villain. Instead of incompetent, he's actively malicious. He treats Eren with disdain because he doesn't want to be shown up. He prevents Eren from transforming in the forest not because of any trust issues, but because of his own hubris. He's Levi fucking Ackerman. Then he rages and blames Eren for getting his squad killed, even though he's the one at fault. He chooses Armin over Erwin because he WANTS Erwin to die. He's questioned his loyalty to Erwin ever since Eren arrived, since he views Eren as inferior. With Erwin dead, he'd be in charge. So he is relieved that he didn't have to betray Erwin, the choice is made for him. As a result, he treats Eren like trash. Even worse than before. He isolates him from his friends. Tortures him mentally. Trains him to become a weapon. Just regularly beats the emotion out of him. Maybe the other scouts look the other way, because Levi is so effective. Perhaps its even kept from his friends, whom Levi lies to regularly. With perhaps the exception of Mikasa, who is kept as far away from Eren as possible because she's the only one who would ever have the fortitude to stop what is going on.

What breaks Eren is Levi lying to Eren about why Mikasa is staying away from him. At this point, Levi would basically be his 'mentor' and only connection to the outside world, even. Levi, sensing an opportunity to twist the knife further, just says to Eren Mikasa views him as a disgusting thing, not a friend or family member. Just a creature, which is why she stays away from him. I mean, make him fucking Iago from Othello. Pretending to be this friend, but just secretly loathing Eren. And that just BREAKS Eren, past the point of no return. Then you can have him become engulfed with rage and possessed by it.

But nope, its just trash writing instead.



Eren isn't a deconstruction. As much as I hate Shinji, there's your deconstruction basically. Fuck, even Asta from Black Clover is more of a deconstruction of a shonen protagonist than Eren.

Because the more Grimdark you are, the smarter your work is.

And this is why the "everyone dies" endings sounds like the best idea for this, is there ANYONE in this shit story that even remotely deserve to live? I genuinely don't know anymore, everyone in it disgust me

 

[Secret Asshole]

I think one of the things that killed AoT's mystique was that suddenly everyone was a Titan. Eren should have stayed the only shifter for a good long while, but of course, time and effort aren't worth it.

As far as the last season, they'll probably do timeskips and montages as necessary to skip dead air as much as possible. Even then, that might not be enough, they'll have to go Full-Metal Alchemist and make up a final arc that is similar but just different enough, in this case probably come up with a better origin that "the fucking pigs got out, start the holocaust".

Pretty much. Tons of titan shifters as a whole destroyed it. It removed any mystique there was to the titans themselves. But hey, what the fuck ever. We got pigs right?

This is late, but even back when this series was good, I can remember on two seperate occasions when his fuck ups actually caused massive confusion and panic in the fandom.

Example one is when after getting his arm bitten off, Erwin appeared to have it back in one of the next panels. This led to everyone speculating that Erwin was also a titan-shifter, and that he might've also been a villain. Admittedly, the latter part had more to do with people suddenly taking issue with him being named after an actual Nazi (even though that had been a known fact for quite a while) and not because his plans seemed almost intentionally designed to cause damage like I did.

The example is when everyone thought Marco was also a titan-shifter, and a villain because he was always seen with Annie, Reiner, and Bertholdt, there was a background character who looked just like him (I think it might've been Samuel, but I can't remember for sure) and people were speculating that Marco's corpse was actually that guy's, and when during the time when the SC was trying to capture Annie in the woods, the fandom thought the unknown person following them could've been Marco because the person (who later turned out to be Annie) was drawn with a mannish build for some reason. Like I know it was because he was trying to not give it away, but she deadass looked like a man. Kinda like how Mikasa does now.

I love how even Isayama's own shitty art can make better stories than he can.

Haha. Well, most things can tell a better story at this point. I kind of remember that about Marco. But I legit think Isayama forgot about Marco a lot of the time. And since all his characters look alike, its impossible to tell apart. But yeah, there was several. There was a recent one too where he had everyone turning into Titans and people pointed out all the inconsistency and were maybe thinking it was time travel, but nope, just a rushed chapter.

I thought it was implied that whatever race the show is centered around (I shouldn't have to remember that if nothing in this matter) used a whole bunch of Titans to try and conquer part of/the world or is that more thought than the hack in charge put in? Because in that case I could see people being utterly pissed at that kind of atrocities (atrocities I assume would happen in that case because well this is AoT) but the whole world wanting or being okay with genocide would still be bullshit from a hack


And this is why the "everyone dies" endings sounds like the best idea for this, is there ANYONE in this shit story that even remotely deserve to live? I genuinely don't know anymore, everyone in it disgust me

I'd say there's really no emotional core to anyone dying at this point. They've honestly just been servants of the story. All of the characters are complete slaves to it. I just can't think of anyone I really care about. Maybe Mikasa? But still. Its hard to develop attachment to characters who are just written purposefully to make what the author wants happen in the most inorganic way possible.