U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

[Spergoy of Cuckkad]

I'm not familiar with Richard Spencer's manner of speaking, but you haven't been too flattering, yourself. That's why I even bothered bringing up emotional security-- well, that, and my impression of "race realists" has largely been that they have an almost pathological need to use poorly interpreted statistics in order to stave off suicide by convincing themselves of a scapegoat uniformly worse and less accomplished than them, employing principally motte-and-bailey to worm in racist theories that they don't have the guts to outright say in the way they would actually want as well as egregious logical jumps (e.g. "the average IQ of the African is 85" --> "hardly any African has an IQ greater than 85").

I think that you’ve assumed that I’m arguing for race realism when I’m simply arguing the original point that a high black population = higher crime rates, and that it’s reasonable to assume that. Which again, is supported by the fact that in poor, in middle class, and in wealthy areas black people still commit more crime.
I said a while back that:

There’s something wrong, whether you ascribe that to a culture that glorifies crime, low IQ, poverty, or nebulous racism doesn’t do much. White daddy isn’t going to fix it for them, and the same phenomenon of “mysterious black crime” applies to almost any country they’re in, not just America. (Even if some EU countries make it illegal to record race during arrests to protect the beloved immigrants’ dignity and reputation)

I don’t care much if it’s caused by cultural rot or genetics, just about the fact that it IS.

Don't do that. Whenever we talk "problems" and "data", we are almost always referring to "crime" and there's no reason to suppose otherwise. Even if it's multiple matters, we're invariably talking about crime.

I mean, noisiness and low property values would also be a decent reason not to move somewhere but okay. You still assumed that he only checked the demographics and started to sperg about race realism, when he literally said “I took many factors into account, one of them being the percentage of the black population”.

That said, you've all but denied that the issues I've brought up thus far (poverty, income inequality, the former two causing cultural rot) could be contributors, and presumably you don't think that anything outside of race (including single motherhood) would be a contributing factor. Or, maybe you think that all such issues are downstream from race-- of course, different African communities don't have the same internal issues that the African-American community has, as Africans outside America are pretty good at maintaining the nuclear family structure. Even the article you cite says that immigrant Africans have incarceration rates comparable to that of whites.

Thing is, you're not actually making that jump yourself. You're not actually explaining what about race-- and only race-- would cause higher crime rates. You're assaulting me with the perceived shock of this correlation... and you're trying to do something and nothing with it at the same time.

Again I’m not concerned with what exactly it is that causes it (poverty and single motherhood are also correlated, race is still the biggest though), just that by virtue of being African Americans (not FOB Ethiopians or something, I’m talking about the majority of the black US population, they’re a different culture) they have a higher propensity for crime. Latinos for example have the same exact poverty rate and a much lower homicide rate.

By referencing other countries I meant that the stereotype of black criminals is also common in South America and Europe.

And one could easily understand why single motherhood would correlate with crime rates. We know what single motherhood can do en masse. That still isn't the whole story, of course.

Again, I didn’t say race is the only factor, just said it’s a good predictor of crime rates in a place. I gave the example of 3 of the worst American cities just to illustrate the point. It’s statistically true (and anecdotally, it’s not a study but those high crime cities are 60%+ black) that blacks commit more crime and largely black cities are shitty places to live. You haven’t disputed that.

 

[GethN7]

Yes, we understand that NOW, we didnt' at first. That was my point.

And instead of anyone being rational, they went nuts and destroyed things before waiting for the system they cursed as not working to actually have time to work.

 

[Accidental Racism]

pewdiepie raised like 106k for BLM. he just donated 106k to a democratic funding organization. does he not research what he does? none of the money BLM gets goes to black people in need. it all goes to old white guys who want to make policies to keep black people poor.

Remember lads, unsubscribe from Pewdiepie.

 

[CDWLTY]

One thing that needs to be done is that people need to SERIOUSLY start telling these 'black leaders' to shut their fucking mouths with this constant rhetoric about how the cops and white people are just out looking to shoot a young brotha. These career race baiters like Al Sharpton are probably indirectly responsible for a ton of black people having had violent incidents with cops because they've been told that ever cracKKKer cop is just hoping for the chance to paint their brains all over the sidewalk.

I used to curse those folks for that. You can't even respond with an ambulance to a medical emergency without some dumb motherfucker telling his ailing, heart-attacked father "Don't got with 'em, they're a trap, they're tryn'a kill you!" just because EMS is wearing white uniform shirts. Of course, you've figured out the grand conspiracy. it costs us $2k an hour to kill y'all, it's a trick.

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Joe Rogan blaming the looting on white kids. Blaming some of the violence, sure, but the looting was almost entirely black people.

https://twitter.com/JamesAGagliano/status/1272232976873594880

Halfpigman Fulton County D.A. Paul Howard

Infuckingsane!

I can pretty much guarantee part of his spotify deal included a lot of training with corporate and think tank types geared towards not "becoming Alt-right". They don't drop that kind of money on you if there's a chance you become some Gavin or Ben, it's too dangerous. So, they've coached him on how to walk it back a bit and not come off so redpilled. Plus he's a cloistered, insulated mob boss rolling in money, consumed by his ego, with built up hormone-fuelled rage kept bubbling under the surface only through tranquilizing drugs and weed.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I just noticed... On the wendy's incident, the drunk guy managed to accidentally knock the bodycams of both cops down... You might wanna get a better harness for those things, like, a camera that's meant to record all incidents to distinguish the actions taken during them shouldn't be THAT easy to break when an actual incident happens.

It mostly affects non-white people, though white people are plurally represented in death-by-cop stats. Black people are disproportionately represented in those stats.

No they are not. Really, REALLY not. And that falacious argument needs to fucking die.
Say. What do you think is more dangerous, a dog or a shark? I think everyone will say a shark. Right?
Well far more people die every year killed by dogs than they do killed by sharks. So obviously people are DISPROPORTIONATELY killed by dogs. We should kill them all for being such savage brutal animals!
Why do more people die to dogs than they die to sharks? Oh yeah that's because there is a fuckload more interaction between humans and dogs than there is between humans and sharks.
Sharks are a lot more dangerous than dogs because when you look number of people killed by dogs divided by number of interaction between people and dogs it's a pittance, meanwhile a significant proportion of shark encounters end in an attack by the shark.
See where I'm getting at?
People who claim blacks die DISPROPORTIONATELY by cops use death by cops divided by percentage of population, but that is a falacious and dishonest way to measure it. The question is death by cops divided by interaction with cops. And as it turns out we can easily assess interaction with cops, by looking at criminality.
Here's the stats, I'mma use 2017 because it's the year I found the chart of arrests by race for:
In 2017 457 white people were killed by cops. In the same year 223 black people died by cop. That is cops killed twice the number of whites than blacks.

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2022 | Statista

Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 1,060 civilians having been shot, 220 of whom were Black, as of December 20, 2022.

www.statista.com

In 2017 5,626,140 white people were arrested by cops. In the same year 2,221,697 were arrested by cops. That is, cops arrested more than twice the amount of white people than they did black people.

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

So if we divide deaths by arrests, the ratio for whites is of 0.00008 for whites and 0.0001 for blacks. This is absolutely fucking ludicrously low rates either way and if anything it indicates death by cops are a fucking statistical anomaly for america in general on everyone. Yes when you look at death by cops on other countries compared with population numbers they're even lower, but when you look at it by CRIMINALITY instead of population, I'd say america is about on par or even safer than a lot of other countries. You don't have a lot of deaths by cop 'cause your cops are triggerhappy, you got a lot of deaths by cop 'cause you got a lot of fucking criminals, buddy. It's that simple. If anything right now my biggest issue with your cops is the fact that they seem cucked to hell and back when you look at how soft they're going on antifa and the fucking arsonists, and how spineless the fucks that stopped doing their job for fear of corona were. Your cops are pussies! Disarming them further is LUDICROUS LONDON TIER IDIOCY! As a buddy of mine told me when I told him london cops were unarmed. "Una policia desarmada es una policia que no sirve para nada." "A weaponless police is a worthless police." And btw said buddy is a fairly extremist leftie, so if even he could respond that way by pure instinct, burgerland politicians have no fucking excuse not to get it.

 

[trent]

For some reason, the music for the first minute of this video is the entrance theme for AEW wrestler MJF.

 

[Slap47]

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Joe Rogan blaming the looting on white kids. Blaming some of the violence, sure, but the looting was almost entirely black people.

Yeah. Although, white people do seem to be quite involved in the arson.

 

[fat ugly sped]

Some autist actually did the math, and it turns out the only thing they built was our national debt. An entirely white US would be running a modest surplus.

US government debt issuance is a good thing, not a bad thing. We import Chinese crap and TVs and Volkswagens and shit, and the dumb fucks just let us pay for it with paper.

 

[Shqueefa]

The discussion I hear for riot justification is that "Black people built this country, we should burn it down."

So if your landlord is beefing with a tenant, they should burn the property down? I don't get that logic.

Plus, if you built something, why burn it? That's like cutting off your nose to spite somebody.

Most black are narcissistic. It shouldn't come as a surprise for them to justify their shit attitude.

 

[inception_state]

US government debt issuance is a good thing, not a bad thing. We import Chinese crap and TVs and Volkswagens and shit, and the dumb fucks just let us pay for it with paper.

Imagine if we'd spent that $24 trillion on infrastructure that isn't falling apart, landing a man on Mars, or buying every American over 18 an AR-15? Debt has its place, but using it to pay for gibs is about as useful as lighting the money on fire.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Yeah. Although, white people do seem to be quite involved in the arson.

Deliberate arson, like deliberate serial killing, is a majority white profession. Blacks need to step up their game.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

buying every American over 18 an AR-15?

Universal Basic Armament

 

[frozenrunner]

It's just that low-IQ low-impulse-control blacks commit more crimes and have more police encounters.

And/or that blacks are not discouraged from thinking collectively and tribally, which is humanity's default mode of thinking. (The claim that you have to be "taught racism" is the polar opposite of the truth.) And because they see everything through that racially tribal lense, they revert to another default form of human existence, the "honor culture," where there is no effective rule of law and so you have to keep people in line with personal displays of power and demonstrate your willingness to use aggression against people who will take advantage of you otherwise.

And so, because of the above, blacks take every encounter with the police personally (they've been taught that police are from an enemy "tribe" that will abuse them) and overreact consistently, and then they also assign blame collectively/tribally, too.

And it's even worse than that. Because American blacks now straddle the line between honor culture and victim culture. At least in honor culture you have to take personal responsibility for your relationships with other people, even if they're aggressive, violent relationships. In victim culture, you believe you have no agency and so aren't responsible for anything that goes wrong in your life, and being as big a victim as possible gets you social cred!

This is a really important point I think needs to be brought up in discussions about what's happening. We are operating on different models of what civilization is. And white, progressive leftists are explicitly saying that blahpipo are so different and special that the rules should be different for them.

 

[NadeND-001]

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I find it insulting that these selfish tards compare their situation to actual slavery.

Do these idiots still think they are slaves? God damn these people are dumb.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Do these idiots still think they are slaves? God damn these people are dumb.

The person that wrote that tripe is a writer in LA.

She has no room to say that she’s oppressed.

 

[Technetium]

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"Black Lives Matter! Minorities need a voice! Unless they disagree with us, then those uppity Negroes need to shut their mouths."

Boy, that one was more direct than I was expecting. You guys are gonna' straight-up call them niggers by the 2020 election, aren't you?

Re-quoting this article again. I know I'm going for the low-hanging fruit, a Huffpost opinion piece about race politics, but fuck it. Also this has probably been discussed already so rate me late if that's the case, this thread is moving quick.

It is mentioned that Michael B. Jordan, (A-list actor) is being praised as a positive trail-blazer (archive) by vowing to only hire private security from now on, which I assume means never relying on calling the police for any matter anymore. So yes, he is in his way following through with the movement's ideals, and he's putting his money where his mouth is.

There are two reasons why I think his reaction is bad:

First, a millionaire proudly proclaiming to be hiring his own security firm should raise some alarm bells. For example after hurricane Katrina, the wealthy people of New Orleans were called out for hiring private security (archive) to protect themselves from the looting and chaos which followed the hurricane, a chaos which is directly and indirectly attributed to the wealthy themselves, because, respectively, of the poor management of the emergency response, and because the wealthy's industrial enterprising has caused increases in greenhouse gases, which in turn increases the amount of extreme weather events such as hurricane Katrina. The idea is that in general, the elites will always be immune from the physical, real-world consequences of their actions by surrounding themselves with their private armies. It's how the elites can survive the consequences of disaster capitalism. But I digress.
The obvious difference here is that in the case of New Orleans, the private security and the national security (such as the army) which was also present at the scene, were working on the same side, so there would be less potential for serious conflict ensuing, but the oi polloi is nevertheless left to deal with the chaos and disorder of a catastrophe-stricken area. In this case, Jordan's private security would not be on the same side as the government forces (they are the evil, racist, enemy army), which could arguably set the stage for some serious conflict to start. Nevertheless, the end result is the same: once again the general population is left on their own to deal with the chaos and destruction.

The second reason depends on what kind of private security company he had in mind when he made his proclamation, so I'm probably heading into strawman territory, but bear with me. This private security should be accountable to him or the head of the company, which is all fine and dandy today because we're all in this together (Jordan: "if you’re not with me, if you don’t stand with me and people that look like me, you don’t need to be with me."), hashtag BLM unites us all, etc. but what happens tomorrow? Who will hold Jordan accountable for his decisions? Will he or the head of the security company punish any henchmen who acts too violently, who goes rogue? That depends on the company's terms. But who will make sure the company upholds its terms? Will the federal government, which is often accused of not dealing with felonious cops appropriately or being unjust in the case of civil lawsuits (archive), intervene? What will happen when other wealthy "woke" people follow Jordan's example, and more and more private security companies are used to replace the police? Won't there be the need for some large-scale accountability network?
Maybe Jordan's security team will strictly work in a progressive, non-violent way, following the principles of community policing which are being proposed by the BLM movement, but even then: the private security is still a separate entity to the community, so who makes sure they're really adhering to those principles? And also, since Jordan is not yet ready to fully rely on community policing, I'm assuming this private security firm he has in mind will still be trained for engaging in situations of immediate danger, i.e. be armed at some level, even if the focus is on de-escalation. But the current police is also trained in de-escalation, albeit inefficiently, so who guarantees us that the de-escalation training of Jordan's hypothetical security also doesn't end up as inefficient? Will Jordan allow his security to be a little less de-escalating when dealing with someone he doesn't like (archive)?

Considering there are minorities present at all levels of law enforcement (ok, I don't have a source on that so please correct me if I'm wrong!), and there are no explicitly racist laws (again, here I'm just repeating a talking point I've been hearing recently, and also it can always be argued that certain laws may have arguably racist consequences in some contexts), maybe at this point in time, diving head-first into private security instead of working on reforming a system that is already in place is not the best option. Why is the best way of action now to erase everything and start over, when there's no guarantee we won't just end up in the same situation we are today, with corrupt/racist/unjust security and laws? Of course, as long as the general perception is that the situation we are in today is already beyond salvation, starting over is seen as the preferable choice.

Rate me "sperg".

 

[anionfarflung]

Yeah. Although, white people do seem to be quite involved in the arson.

Smart people of all races: refrain from eating the 1 marshmallow to get 2 later on.
Low-IQ blacks: eat that marshmallow right away and then rampage the research facility looking for the rest of the bag.
Low-IQ white antifa pinkos: throw the marshmallow in the researcher's face then firebomb the whole building

 

[haurchefant]

Remember lads, unsubscribe from Pewdiepie.

PDP caved to the twitter white people that drew interracial porn of him and Jews to protest his ADL donation, if he's that susceptible to gay Nazis making fanart for their spank bank then why wouldn't he be susceptible to this too?

 

[Str8Bustah]

Right-wingers are hedonists with no vision of the future, and no understanding of the present. When the world changes, instead of adapting they stamp their feet and pretend it's not happening. When it comes to making friends, they're choosing beggars and actively burn all their bridges because they're stronk independent individualists who get a dopamine rush from acting like sociopathic assholes. They prefer feeling like they're powerful from acting this way then actually consolidate any real power. They're mentally incapable of seeing the big picture, which is why almost all of their impotent rage is focused on minorities and the average soyboy instead of elite that's pulling their strings. You're actually more likely to find them defending the elite that's trying to destroy them. They view compromise as a weakness and they're unwilling to sacrifice anything, if they had to choose between having friends and being able to call people "niggers", they will choose the latter. They may as well be monkeys when it comes to diplomacy. Their stance on free speech isn't really any different from the leftists, I've seen how they act in their own hugboxes to different opinions, the only difference is their hugboxes are irrelevant and have no power over society. Right-wingers do not know when to pick fights and when to avoid them, they don't even bother to consolidate power or try to set themselves up into a position where they'd be able to win a fight, and they severely overestimate the power that they have, which is why they keep chimping out or getting deplatformed. Also their "do nothing let muh free market handle it" ideology is extreme suicide, especially when you're not the elite, which is ironic considering how much right-wingers accuse western countries of self-destructive behavior. Trump only got as far as he did specifically because he's not a right-winger, so he doesn't share their fatal flaws.

All you did was describe the average left-winger though. Have you tried looking in a mirror lately?

 

[X Prime]

Right-wingers are hedonists with no vision of the future, and no understanding of the present. When the world changes, instead of adapting they stamp their feet and pretend it's not happening. When it comes to making friends, they're choosing beggars and actively burn all their bridges because they're stronk independent individualists who get a dopamine rush from acting like sociopathic assholes. They prefer feeling like they're powerful from acting this way then actually consolidate any real power. They're mentally incapable of seeing the big picture, which is why almost all of their impotent rage is focused on minorities and the average soyboy instead of elite that's pulling their strings. You're actually more likely to find them defending the elite that's trying to destroy them. They view compromise as a weakness and they're unwilling to sacrifice anything, if they had to choose between having friends and being able to call people "niggers", they will choose the latter. They may as well be monkeys when it comes to diplomacy. Their stance on free speech isn't really any different from the leftists, I've seen how they act in their own hugboxes to different opinions, the only difference is their hugboxes are irrelevant and have no power over society. Right-wingers do not know when to pick fights and when to avoid them, they don't even bother to consolidate power or try to set themselves up into a position where they'd be able to win a fight, and they severely overestimate the power that they have, which is why they keep chimping out or getting deplatformed. Also their "do nothing let muh free market handle it" ideology is extreme suicide, especially when you're not the elite, which is ironic considering how much right-wingers accuse western countries of self-destructive behavior. Trump only got as far as he did specifically because he's not a right-winger, so he doesn't share their fatal flaws.

Okay, forget everything else about this, even if it may or may not have decent points.

Have you heard of paragraphs? Jesus Christ.