The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[Dumpster dived waifu]

So, has anyone uncovered the terrible, awful, unforgivable thing Joel did that's supposed to make us cheer for Abby when she kills him?

Three actually.

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Yes, his name is Joel.

 

[Super Hans]

So, has anyone uncovered the terrible, awful, unforgivable thing Joel did that's supposed to make us cheer for Abby when she kills him?

Serious answer, her father is the one surgeon that Joel had to kill to get Ellie out of the Firefly compound. It's been a while, but I think he pulled out a scalpel as soon as Joel got into the room without a firearm drawn, so you could argue Joel was the one on defense, neverminding the procedure had a 100% death rate.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Serious answer, her father is the one surgeon that Joel had to kill to get Ellie out of the Firefly compound. It's been a while, but I think he pulled out a scalpel as soon as Joel got into the room without a firearm drawn, so you could argue Joel was the one on defense, neverminding the procedure had a 100% death rate.

If you don’t shoot him, he stabs you in the neck with the scalpel and you die. If you disarm him, I think you either pistol whip him and he dies or stab him with his own scalpel and he dies.

And the procedure was to remove her brain. So yes, it was 100% fatal.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

And the procedure was to remove her brain. So yes, it was 100% fatal.

Then how is Druckman still putzing about?

 

[John Merston]

Serious answer, her father is the one surgeon that Joel had to kill to get Ellie out of the Firefly compound. It's been a while, but I think he pulled out a scalpel as soon as Joel got into the room without a firearm drawn, so you could argue Joel was the one on defense, neverminding the procedure had a 100% death rate.

I thought it was something that happened during the 20 years between the prologue and main story of the first game.

 

[Marissa Moira]

So, has anyone uncovered the terrible, awful, unforgivable thing Joel did that's supposed to make us cheer for Abby when she kills him?

Joel kills the doctor at the end that you're forced to kill in order to win the game.

When Joel gets the the last hall way there's no possible kill state in the game for him Joel is effectively invincible. I've dicked around in that area enough to try and fuck up the ending, you can't.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I thought it was something that happened during the 20 years between the prologue and main story of the first game.

Oh yeah, they did hint that they were going to reveal something terrible Joel did in the 20 year gap.

 

[Super Hans]

I thought it was something that happened during the 20 years between the prologue and main story of the first game.

No, but that would have been the smart thing since Druckmann's shitty storytelling in 1 told us that Joel was a real piece of shit in the interim years. The reason he knew he and Ellie were about to get ambushed in the car was because he did that sort of thing before.

Instead of Joel getting justifiably killed for the many shitty things he's done, he gets murdered because one of the very few good things he did. Ain't that ironic?

 

[Salubrious]

Instead of Joel getting justifiably killed for the many shitty things he's done, he gets murdered because one of the very few good things he did. Ain't that ironic?

Two actually.

Joel gets killed because he escorted Abby back to her group after saving her life. Nobody in the group hesitated for a second either.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Man this leak is Based and Abby-Pilled.
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I love me some senator maamstrong

 

[Salubrious]

To be fair to Abby (because there's a lot of this shitshow we can make fun of anyway), 20 years into a zombie apocolypse these zombies are going to be so decayed that stomping one's head in isn't that implausible.

Zombie apocolypses are usually implausible anyway because human beings love to hunt and kill. The original "Night of the Dead" actually had it right: this would last one day before a bunch of rednecks decided it was Christmas and started hunting. There's a reason human beings are out of the food chain.

Trust me, there is PLENTY more to make fun of. And I will be for the next week or so.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Some TV Tropers have commentated on the plot:

"I do find it here amusing that the fans Abby killing Joel makes her unlikable whereas Joel dooming the entire human race somehow doesn’t. Oh well, everyone is allowed a little Moral Dissonance."

"Murdering your way through grunts only to go "it's bad to kill the main villain" isn't just cliche, it's one of the most hackneyed writing tropes out there. It devalues the lives Ellie's taken if she only wises up right at the end.

As a matter of fact it's such a bad take I'm doubtful it's true. I jab a lot at Naughty Dog's writing but even they gotta be smarter than that." (Oh you naive soul)

"I just figured the whole point of TLOU and now its sequel was in devaluing the myth of heroic and cathartic violence. Like, you're not Nathan Drake quipping your way over dead bodies, these are real people trying to survive just like you, and while Joel ran afoul of the occasional cannibal pedophile (a decision to kill them being as morally challenging as swatting a fly with a rolled up newspaper) I thought this one was gonna be about "hey what if we completely pulled back the curtain on your murder fantasy?"

" I would have liked Abby to be trans. First trans hero. Then again, would it benefit or hurt representation given the Internet Backdraft?"

"How evil is Abby really other than wanting to kill Joel who is an Asshole Victim?"

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

"I do find it here amusing that the fans Abby killing Joel makes her unlikable whereas Joel dooming the entire human race somehow doesn’t. Oh well, everyone is allowed a little Moral Dissonance."

Except he didn't, and if you explored the final area you find out all the experiments were literally pointless.

I get that it's a subtle plot twist and it's something you have to actively look for, but it's convenient everybody, including Druckmann, forgot about it.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

It also depends which hand she loses her fingers on, if it's her left hand she won't be able to easily finger a minor while playing with her g-string, if it's her right she should be okay as long as she has her thumb as well as her index and/or middle finger.


Counterpoint: MGS4. 5 minutes of gameplay to get to the next 30-minute cutscene.

MGS4’s cutscenes have badass ninja fights and a gay cowboy taking out a chopper with a finger gun. I’ll take that over finger biting trannies

 

[Salubrious]

For someone that didn't play the first game, how was it explained why the crazy doctors needed Ellie's brain and not just blood samples?

I know there was apparently a secret document saying they've been butchering people anyway to try to find a cure, and that Ellie might be sacrificing herself for nothing anyway, but I don't know why they needed brain samples in the first place.

You would think having a live host with the immunity would be more beneficial in the long term.

 

[Internet's Boyfriend]

" I would have liked Abby to be trans. First trans hero. Then again, would it benefit or hurt representation given the Internet Backdraft?"

Don't know if I'd call Abby a hero...

"How evil is Abby really other than wanting to kill Joel who is an Asshole Victim?"

So first Joel was amazing and cool and everyone loved him, now he's an asshole? The Asshole Victim trope usually applies to actual villains or at best really jerky characters. I got the impression that while Joel did some fuck up shit it was a necessary evil that he feels guilt over, not like full blown sadist shit.

I wonder if this guy had heard the whole "killing every guy named Joel" plot point before he wrote this.

 

[Cuatro Vaginas]

Is just there as an excuse to make the ending "impactful". Even if it wasn't there and you played the game you would see how incompetent The Fireflies are, their leader is begging people outside the group for help with Ellie, one of their scientists gets bitten by an infected monkey like a complete asshole and they all get taken out by one man. How is Joel suppose to trust such useless people with Ellie? It's a cult, they were in denial and in their insanity they wanted to sacrifice a girl. Joel did nothing wrong.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

Except he didn't, and if you explored the final area you find out all the experiments were literally pointless.

I get that it's a subtle plot twist and it's something you have to actively look for, but it's convenient everybody, including Druckmann, forgot about it.

Except he didn't, and if you explored the final area you find out all the experiments were literally pointless.

I get that it's a subtle plot twist and it's something you have to actively look for, but it's convenient everybody, including Druckmann, forgot about it.

Also even if they were to get a vaccine up and running there’s still the issue of production and distribution.

 

[DrRockzosNose]

You would think having a live host with the immunity would be more beneficial in the long term.

Ya know, I have no fucking clue why they would need to extract her brain tbqh. They didn't have any kind of decent set up to do any indepth testing nor any kind of power set up beyond generators. The whole firefly operation seemed to have zero idea of what to actually do beyond hack up people who were immune. How would they even produce/mass produce a vaccine?

 

[Bender]

a gay cowboy taking out a chopper with a finger gun

It says a lot that I don't remember that part yet I don't doubt it in the slightest.