The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[Titos]

Nope they moved the date to TBD, refunded the money, and then the leak happened.

After the leak they gave the June release date.

No you fucking moron, they showed the release date in a trailer 8 months ago. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II5UsqP2JAk&t=1s), then they "delayed it due to supply chain constraints) from Wuflu. If they only released it when they did due to leaks why the fuck did they show the release date way before leaks actually happened? If you think a few months delay would be able to fix this trashfire and they only released it as is due to leaks then you must not know much about either writing or game development.

 

[GaddafyTheLooneyDuck]

Roge, mate, I get your point, but you're giving it a bit too much credit.

If you don't know, this guy is a va of Arthur from rdr2.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The leak hapened before the 24 hour time frame the date was changed from TBA to 06/19/20
They had to release it fecause the leak forced them too.

No you fucking moron, they showed the release date in a trailer 8 months ago. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II5UsqP2JAk&t=1s), then they "delayed it due to supply chain constraints) from Wuflu. If they only released it when they did due to leaks why the fuck did they show the release date way before leaks actually happened? If you think a few months delay would be able to fix this trashfire and they only released it as is due to leaks then you must not know much about either writing or game development.

The Last of Us Part II delayed indefinitely due to novel coronavirus

Naughty Dog hopes it won’t be a long delay.

www.theverge.com

No they originally used the big 'rona as the cover. It was the indefinite release date and the leak happened shortly after.

 

[Titos]

The leak hapened before the 24 hour time frame the date was changed from TBA to 06/19/20
They had to release it fecause the leak forced them too.

The leaks started on around April 24, the initial release date was February 21st of 2020. Then it was delayed to May, a few months would not give them time to completely re-write the script or fix any of the issues with the game. The delay that pushed it further was announced on April 2nd of 2020, before the leaks even started.

The Last of Us Part II delayed indefinitely due to novel coronavirus

Naughty Dog hopes it won’t be a long delay.

www.theverge.com

No they originally used the big 'rona as the cover. It was the indefinite release date and the leak happened shortly after.

It was originally delayed to May before wuflu was even a massive concern as it was supposed to release in February. They announced the indefinite delay before the leaks. Again, the indefinite delay was announced on April 2nd, the leaks happened around April 24th. This shit is all available to easily read. In fact, part of the reason people thought the leaks happened in the first place was due to the indefinite delay.

 

[verissimus]

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Roge, mate, I get your point, but you're giving it a bit too much credit.

If you don't know, this guy is a va of Arthur from rdr2.

A landmark in the medium...god people are so stupid and so weak-minded.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The leaks started on around April 24, the initial release date was February 21st of 2020. Then it was delayed to May, a few months would not give them time to completely re-write the script or fix any of the issues with the game. The delay that pushed it further was announced on April 2nd of 2020, before the leaks even started.


It was originally delayed to May before wuflu was even a massive concern as it was supposed to release in February. They announced the indefinite delay before the leaks. Again, the indefinite delay was announced on April 2nd, the leaks happened around April 24th. This shit is all available to easily read.

I know but what I was saying was they announced the "indefinite delay" (the May 29th date was not the last delay announced) and then refunded the money before the leaks happened.

Like they clearly saw trouble with the last build before it went gold.

They put shit on indefinite delay and issued refunds because the game needed way more than a few months.

 

[Titos]

I know but what I was saying was they announced the "indefinite delay" (the May 29th date was not the last delay announced) and then refunded the money before the leaks happened.

Like they clearly saw trouble with the last build before it went gold.

They put shit on indefinite delay and issued refunds because the game needed way more than a few months.

Ok, that's fine. But what did the indefinite delay even do? If the leaks forced their hands why would they indefinitely delay it only to change jack shit? It's not like the game shipped with any more bugs than the average Sony first party game, in fact I'd say from what I've watched it probably has had less, or at least less Tier 1 bugs. I've gotten entire save files in Bloodborne locked out due to bugs but haven't personally seen that happen to anyone yet with Angry Lesbos 2. How did the leaks really force their hands? Do you really believe they would have put another 2-3 years of work to completely change the plot of the game?

 

[SolidZone 26]

If this were true, they would have forced the hand of From Software and other developers.

You're making up shit.

The game would have been put back into development if the leak didn't happen, that's why they refunded the digital pre-order money. The leak forced them to release it.

I forgot Sony owns From Software. Do they own you too?

 

[Gamepad]

I know but what I was saying was they announced the "indefinite delay" (the May 29th date was not the last delay announced) and then refunded the money before the leaks happened.

Like they clearly saw trouble with the last build before it went gold.

They put shit on indefinite delay and issued refunds because the game needed way more than a few months.

To add on that, you can't just delay a game nily wily. They had to pass that through the stakeholders, who then decided yay or nay on switching to TBD. It got a yes, which allowed their entire marketing and community branch to announce it to the public.

You don't see the happenings behind doors, but yes, there were cases where some projects got told "No. Release on time." and that's that.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Ok, that's fine. But what did the indefinite delay even do? If the leaks forced their hands why would they indefinitely delay it only to change jack shit? It's not like the game shipped with any more bugs than the average Sony first party game, in fact I'd say from what I've watched it probably has had less, or at least less Tier 1 bugs. I've gotten entire save files in Bloodborne locked out due to bugs but haven't personally seen that happen to anyone yet with Angry Lesbos 2. How did the leaks really force their hands? Do you really believe they would have put another 2-3 years of work to completely change the plot of the game?

Because it was an actual playable build that leaked. It was more than likely decided that they spent enough money developing it and that they needed some kind of return on it at that point and that any long term delays would hurt the bottom line. The leaks kinda forced a point of no return.

That's why they moved another one of their big releases up to July to cover for any shortcomings in sales from TLOU2. I mean you normally don;t have one big release follow another in the month after. Normally that's a form of cannibalization. Idealy you want to give at least a two month break so the sales have some breathing room.

 

[Raiken]

Ok, that's fine. But what did the indefinite delay even do? If the leaks forced their hands why would they indefinitely delay it only to change jack shit? It's not like the game shipped with any more bugs than the average Sony first party game, in fact I'd say from what I've watched it probably has had less, or at least less Tier 1 bugs. I've gotten entire save files in Bloodborne locked out due to bugs but haven't personally seen that happen to anyone yet with Angry Lesbos 2. How did the leaks really force their hands? Do you really believe they would have put another 2-3 years of work to completely change the plot of the game?

I think the delay was more that they knew people where not going to like aspects of it and where going to edit it out and then try to release it just before the launch of the PS5.
That, or they where planning on porting it to the PS5.
The leak was big enough that changing parts of it would not be possible anymore.

 

[Titos]

Because it was an actual playable build that leaked. It was more than likely decided that they spent enough money developing it and that they needed some kind of return on it at that point and that any long term delays would hurt the bottom line. The leaks kinda forced a point of no return.

That's why they moved another one of their big releases up to July to cover for any shortcomings in sales from TLOU2.

The leaks were mainly plot shit though, hell the only glitch I remember seeing in the original leaks was a texture issue and it was pretty clearly a build that was about a month to two months old if I remember the dates shown in the prompts in the videos. Wouldn't it make more sense to release at the original shown date at that point to avoid more people being spoiled and losing even more sales as a result? It's not like the videos showed a No Mans Sky tier clusterfuck of glitches, it just showed a bunch of plot points. If it forced their hands why would they delay it further?

 

[MysteriousStranger]

I'm watching a normie play through on Twitch, a simple guy with a tiny following. He managed to avoid the spoilers so this is a virgin take. He's He's about 14 hours in, well past Joel's death scene. He hated that, but that was a few minutes of misery followed by hours of gameplay as Ellie that he's enjoying so far. We shall see how events unfold. We ain't got to the sex scene yet.

Comments from me, having stupidly watched many hours of gameplay:

Only one glitch so far (a cordyceps didn't spawn so Ellie wrestles with thin air).

The graphics are beautiful. No lie. This guy likes to play with the environment, so he's spent time knocking snow off trees and shattering glass. Footprints in the snow, blood spatter, environments generally. Face rigging is excellent when it's excellent, which isn't always.

I didn't play either game (I don't own a console) and I didn't watch a playthrough of the first one. I was struck by how unoriginal the game is. Nothing in here that hasn't been done to death by other franchises: Dead Space, Fallout, Left 4 Dead on and on. I feel like I was seeing things I've seen a hundred times, only prettier.

If anything was original and powerful about the first game, it was the relationship, and they just deliberately took a giant steaming dump on it.

 

[SolidZone 26]

I think the delay was more that they knew people where not going to like aspects of it and where going to edit it out and then try to release it just before the launch of the PS5.
That, or they where planning on porting it to the PS5.
The leak was big enough that changing parts of it would not be possible anymore.

I have a feeling Last of us 2 was going to be a launch title for the PS5. Seeing that the PS5 does not have much heavy hitter exclusives launch titles may point to that being the case.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

does anyone know if the vagina and the penis is modeled??

What vagina??

 

[not william stenchever]

Omg, lmao
The face says it all.
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"Are you winning, Ty?"
"HELP ME, NICK!"

 

[Elric of Melnibone]

I’m not sure how Drukmann stole RDR’s ending. There isn’t some sort of last, hopeless quickdraw against more people than you can possibly hit, and Jack doesn’t find Edgar Ross crucified in Mexico. I agree that that game (and 2) are the primary examples of good tragic writting in games though. At least the Housers putting everyone at Rockstar through a meatgrinder gets good results. We clearly can’t say that about ND at this point.

Mostly he stole the structure. The protagonist gets happy-ish ending, then a tragic ending is put where the end credits should have been. Then that leads into a painfully bad epilogue. My comparison is that in cuckmanns head that's what the ending to this dumpster fire was, he really thought he pulled off that same style of ending flawlessly like RDR. Imagine if in RDR John actually dies about 2 hours in and then it switches to Jack who is a whiney snot-nosed brat, like he is at the end of the actual RDR. Now imagine you played RDR 2 before RDR.

 

[Mammamia in Naziland]

From here, I am retyping the interesting parts since the original post is an unwieldy screenshot of said text:

r/TheLastOfUs2 - This is why we don't like Abby as a character or story mechanic (Pic taken from a metacritic reviewer)

1,654 votes and 211 comments so far on Reddit

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When playing Ellie, you are forced to:
1) kill dogs
2) murder screaming wailing people, whose loved ones mourn and cry in terror
3) murder a pregnant woman

When playing Abbie, you are forced to:
1) play and have fun with dogs
2) defend yourself against evil scary transphobic jungle people
3) save kids

In Ellie's darkest moments, she:
1) attacks a woman who, aside from being involved in her father's death, also further titillates and aggravates Ellie by saying Joel died like a little bitch. Reacting with rage and impetus, she beats the woman up with a metal pipe. However, Ellie is visibly traumatized and shaken by the event, she comes back and is clearly distressed and troubled.
2) kills a woman who she later finds out is pregnant. When finding out, Ellie's hearing fades (just like when witnessing Joel's death, n.d.Mammamia), she collapses and starts hyperventilating, clearly disturbed, remorseful and regretful.

In Abby's darkest moments, she:
1) shots an old man in the knee, who just previously saved her life and was completely friendly and warm to her. She proceeds to take VISCERAL PLEASURE in beating him with a golf club, torturing him for so long that she eventually grows exhausted and needs to remove her jumper. She delivers the killing blow right in front of a screaming girl who begs for his life.
2) smashes a girl's face and, upon finding out that said girl is pregnant, Abby takes immense PLEASURE AND SATISFACTION at the prospect of slitting her throat.

Both girl enact their darkest moments under the impetus of revenge, but it is clear which character takes pleasure in the idea of inflicting pain. Once you understand this, any meaning the story holds completely withers away.

One guy in the comments also adds:
"Additionally, Abby betrays her fellow companion Mel (who was pregnant at the time) by fucking her man and shows zero remorse.
Ellie, on the other hand, shows guilt when Jesse asks about her kissing Dina (even though the two had broken up by then)."

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I mean... the game being a vanity project for Druckmann I get it, and that explains the systematic humiliation and destruction of the former characters. BUT the game also completely and OBJECTIVELY fails to present a believable and alternative 'new' protagonist, and to portray Abby in any sympathetic light. I am talking about basic tricks that an author should use to elicit some empathy and moral understanding in the reader/viewer/gamer, truly the basic foundation of immersive writing, shit that students have been learning in university for more than 20 years.

And this 'director' wants to use this as his ticket to be noticed by Hollywood industry? This abortion of story that he himself, in his blind hatred for the franchise, torpedoed beyond all recognition? He really thought this would actually work?
I mean, yeah, D&D fucked up GoT in a mix of incompetence and hubris, eager to move to Disney and Netflix, just to be rejected by the former and kept in limbo by the latter, and Druckmann made Abby read City of Thieves by his fellow David Benioff, so he truly must have learned from the best...

 

[ZMOT]

you must not know much about either writing or game development.

we really need an irony rating for stupid shit like that

It was originally delayed to May before wuflu was even a massive concern as it was supposed to release in February. They announced the indefinite delay before the leaks. Again, the indefinite delay was announced on April 2nd, the leaks happened around April 24th. This shit is all available to easily read. In fact, part of the reason people thought the leaks happened in the first place was due to the indefinite delay.

corona was a convenient scapegoat to not make people question the delay, and was always obvious as fuck because squeenix had no problem releasing FF7R in that timeframe. and this is fucking sony, sony doesn't do refunds, and you don't delay a game as anticipated as TLOU2 indefinitely right before release. we've also been over this pages ago, keep up.

The leaks were mainly plot shit though

"mainly plot shit" like joel getting beaten to death with a golf club and you playing as his butch trans murderer? nigga are you fucking retarded? once that shit got leaked the game was done, there was no going back from this. the characters are one of the main reason people liked the first game, just look at the reaction of people now.
you are the one those retards that think that shit would be unfixable and would need extra years of development, when you always have shit getting cut during development you can go back to, and sony has big enough coffers to pay for the necessary changes to not make it the franchise killers it is. the goal was never to turn this trainwreck into a 11/10 game. not to mention launching a new console at the end of the year you can utilize the delay for. it might have even worked in their favor making people want dlc and a sequel instead of pissing all over their hype because the fucking story was what people cared about.

"mainly plot shit" ... get the fuck outta here.

 

[Donald Trump's Neck Vag]

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Roge, mate, I get your point, but you're giving it a bit too much credit.

If you don't know, this guy is va of Arthur from rdr2.

A landmark in the medium...god people are so stupid and so weak-minded.

The story flopped, but on a technical level, it definitely seems to be a landmark. I've seen a lot of devs on twitter gushing over stuff like the animations, physics interactions, and lighting.

It probably isn't a huge deal to the actual players, but there's a scene in the game where one character helps another take off their shirt and it's all done without clipping. Apparently, that's some insane technological achievement.