#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Everyone takes part in it sure. But Ethan is right here. An artist is measured by their ability to translate the script, which means storytelling.

Like I showed the Gary Frank example earlier, Gary Frank is a good artist but not a good storyteller because his pages panel to panel can be hard to follow.
I disagree. It entirely depends on the workflow. I was given scripts so detailed (including sketches of the pages) that I was literally just a glorified storyboarder and ones that were so lazy that I would have to in fact write whole comics, draw it and then the writer would add some dialogue. The ones that go the best is the happy middle where everyone adds their expertise and the whole comic has elevated storytelling.

Which could've been corrected at the editorial or writer's level, but rarely anybody does redlines, because they are afraid of losing or overworking artists. And if he is such poor storyteller he should be drawing scripts that have included "camerawork", storyboard and he should be treated as talented drafstman paired with a writer who is heavy on visuals in the script. One size doesn't fit all.
 
I disagree. It entirely depends on the workflow. I was given scripts so detailed (including sketches of the pages) that I was literally just a glorified storyboarder and ones that were so lazy that I would have to in fact write whole comics, draw it and then the writer would add some dialogue. The ones that go the best is the happy middle where everyone adds their expertise and the whole comic has elevated storytelling.

Which could've been corrected at the editorial or writer's level, but rarely anybody does redlines, because they are afraid of losing or overworking artists. And if he is such poor storyteller he should be drawing scripts that have included "camerawork", storyboard and he should be treated as talented drafstman paired with a writer who is heavy on visuals in the script. One size doesn't fit all.
It does depend on the workflow. But in most instances the artists (especially at Marvel and DC) are given an edited script and are supposed to just "draw what they're told", and that's when you really see who's able to tell a story and who's not, when layouts aren't given for them and they have to take the script and visualize it.

Yeah, editorial should've caught that and some of the other problems in Doomsday Clock.
 
In unrelated news, Mike S. Miller celebrated Father's Day today by posting statistics of children born to unmarried women sorted by race.
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Honestly, I can never tell with people like Mike if they're trolling or they are literally this socially inept. Business social media is not for brainfarts and Fox News talking points.

Did Ya Boi Zack also "stab Evangelicals in the back for hating gays?" Because his social blade hasn't really moved either.

Kindof,? I mean he's taking one of too CG options, shutting his mouth on the subject. He's flatlined.

As opposed to you calling people ists and phobes like the pro you are.

Come to think of it, how's Mike's channel? Doug's? Edwin's?

Doug's doing fine. Mike's bad at tube. Edwin has quit comics and is focusing on Hawaii's GOP from what I heard. So you have two people still doing it, ones doing fine without you, the other not so much.

Is it possible that YouTube fucks around with right leaning channels now and then? Or is it possible that the biggest CG channels have reached the maximum audience at around 100K?

Losing "Evangelical Personalities" didn't hurt my channel. It destroyed theirs. I'm still making the same money on YT, and getting bigger and bigger livestream audiences.

Your not wrong, always a line of thirsty losers who want you to make their shitty comic dream a reality. But people who cared about anything substantive, the culture warrior, most of them hit the bricks.

And yes, we'll see how Mike....Mike and Doug wahwahwah!

For fucks sake. You act like some assmad ho. Get over it.


Talks shit, bragging about a cheap plastic box and charging people 200 dollars for it. Doesn't mention that he's at fewer backers than last time in comparison. Oh and Doug wahwah EWJ.

Pretty much. Congrats on squeezing your remaining audience.
 
Factually he is wrong. Every single creator on a book takes part in creating a story and is a storyteller within their expertise. If Frog thinks otherwise, then he must've been receiving lazy scripts with just dialogue lines like the ones grandad Stan Lee wrote out of sheer laziness or he's just that much of a cluster B (the latter, it's the latter). The fact is - writer tells a story and then artists (multiple) build on that.

No, FACTUALLY, I am correct. "Storytelling" is the term used in the comics biz to describe how an artist breaks down a script.

I'm not sure why you're arguing this point.

There is a story, which is written. Then the artist translates it to images in his unique way. This is referred to as "storytelling" in the comics biz.

This can hurt your feelings if you want it to. I don't know.
 
I disagree. It entirely depends on the workflow. I was given scripts so detailed (including sketches of the pages) that I was literally just a glorified storyboarder and ones that were so lazy that I would have to in fact write whole comics, draw it and then the writer would add some dialogue. The ones that go the best is the happy middle where everyone adds their expertise and the whole comic has elevated storytelling.

Which could've been corrected at the editorial or writer's level, but rarely anybody does redlines, because they are afraid of losing or overworking artists. And if he is such poor storyteller he should be drawing scripts that have included "camerawork", storyboard and he should be treated as talented drafstman paired with a writer who is heavy on visuals in the script. One size doesn't fit all.
2 verified pros and a rando on the internet tell you that the term means something specific in comicbooks.
Storytelling does mean telling a story and, in comicbooks, telling a story is a group effort. It also means the way the artist interprets the script in their finished pages, compared to, say, dialogue or plot. If an editor says "the storytelling has some issues", the blame falls to the artist to fix it.
 
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Doug's last book was Earthworm Jim. It raised $815,000+ before the nastiest part of his split with CG. His current book didn't carry over any of that audience, having raised $280K.

My first CF book raised $532K, my current reprint campaign has raised $192K, and CYBERFROG 2: REKT PLANET has destroyed all IndieGoGo records at a four month total of $937,000 and counting.


If you want a better comparison then get your ass working on Reignbro Brute. Otherwise it's like your comparing Zack's Jawbreakers to Pandemic. Folks that buy into one creator's franchise don't necesarrily follow that creator to his other works. Looking at Bigfoot Bills objectively, the campaign for #2 did much better than #1.
 
Did Ya Boi Zack also "stab Evangelicals in the back for hating gays?" Because his social blade hasn't really moved either.

There you go again. Your claim that evangelicals 'hate gays', which you have made about a thousand times now about Mike and Doug, when Mike and Dough have had more gay friends on their shows than you ever have, and never call people FAGGOTS either in drunken stupers (which everyone knows is when the truth comes out, like how you were pining for Mike the other day on the JACK show) or in fits of rage like you did with Panboy.

What is that all about? Is EVS Pizzagate true? Are you bisexual? Why not just own it, admit it, and tell the world. It would explain your fascination with penises, and your enjoyment of all those dildos. Be free to be who you are.

IR: YBZ: His content changed significantly in that time as well. MarkWaid really slammed the breaks on his willingness to be edgy.People dig edgy.


Come to think of it, how's Mike's channel? Doug's? Edwin's?

Someone else answered this. Doug's channel is doing fine. And his Facebook videos get even bigger audiences, he's got over 100K followers there. Mike sucks balls at Youtube, he can't even keep DnQ numbers going strong, and people genuinely like that show. Edwin barely streams, he doesn't seem to care about YouTube at all.

Is it possible that YouTube fucks around with right leaning channels now and then? Or is it possible that the biggest CG channels have reached the maximum audience at around 100K?

There are right-leaning channels with millions of subs and growing. Terrible argument. (NOTE: There are also COMIC BOOK channels with millions of subs and growing) Have CG channels reached the maximum? The way you're running shop, YES. You just gained 1000 subs from being on some very big channels recently right? And then you lost them. Why? Nobody who ain't already CG wants to hear your cringe content. Go back to making videos criticizing the culture war. Stop fighting other people in CG and ex-CG. You're your own worst enemy. You're Mike, but with a bigger channel and a head start, except you CAN grow, you're just too self-serving to see that you're hurting yourself, and CG in the process.

I say this out of respect. I used to really enjoy your channel. Now it's cringe. Go back to having fun laughing at the stupidity the SJW's are inflicting on the world.

Losing "Evangelical Personalities" didn't hurt my channel. It destroyed theirs. I'm still making the same money on YT, and getting bigger and bigger livestream audiences.

You want I should list all of the channels in our geek-sphere whose channels have grown, DOUBLED even since the time before you lost the Evangelicals, and compare their growth to your absolute stagnation? GnG, Nerdrotic, AnnaTSWG, Mauler, WCBS... has anyone's channel NOT grown? Oh yeah. Yours. Pull your head out of your ass, Ethan. You should have a quarter million subs right now. Cyberfrog 2 should have done $2million. You're happy to play martyr and spend all your time fighting ex-cg for superchats, while you're cannibalizing the entire audience and hurting CG's future in the long run.

And yes, we'll see how Mike's LONESTAR 3 does. Back it heavily.

I didn't back it the first time. I backed Cyberfrog multiple times. I did not back CF2. I'm telling you, you need to start listening to the fans instead of fighting them for pointing out your faults. You're buying your own BS.

Doug's last book was Earthworm Jim. It raised $815,000+ before the nastiest part of his split with CG. His current book didn't carry over any of that audience, having raised $280K.

Doug left CG before launching EWJ and you know that. Why are you lying? What EWJ2 does is unknown, but from BFB1 to BFB2, he lost less than 300 backers, and made 50% more money. He's doing fine.

My first CF book raised $532K, my current reprint campaign has raised $192K, and CYBERFROG 2: REKT PLANET has destroyed all IndieGoGo records at a four month total of $937,000 and counting.

That is epic. Fantastic. Fabulous. FOR YOU.

You're still not doing anywhere near as well as you could, and CG is hurting because you think 'I'm doing fine!'.

Maybe these dudes should have just gone along with me for the sake of business.

People have morals and ethics they put before the all-mighty dollar.

Just like you. Your principle is petty, childish, self-destructive SPITE. You would rather get revenge than build CG. "It's not enough that I do well, my enemies must do horrible."-EVS

Food for thought.
 
Holy lolcow batman, Frog is hopping mad.

It must be hard times at the outrage mill for him to be coming here and croaking about how great he is.

Isn't strange that Frog comes here and complains about, Doug or Mike but never any mainstream Gail, Mags or any of the other disgusting industry pros?

Especially with this obsession with Doug. You would think that he would have left the cancer riddled scarecrow alone after having a better gofund me.

Now I'm no @Ken Jennings but it is clear from outer space that Frog hates Doug. But for what reason?
It can't be fund raising as Frog beat Doug in that as well as Sub count, influence and superchats so what could it be?

I can only think back to that whole comic con panel from last year. It couldn't be just have been not being thanked as Billy Tucci didn't thank Ethan in the same panel.

I then noticed that Dynamite had their panel on 7/19/10 while the Billy panel was on 7/20/19.
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That panel was smack dab in the middle of Frog's double dipping Vampirella covers gofund me. To think that at that time one of the people that Frog despised would be there must have been infuriating. As well as not having his $67k cover not in the slideshow.

But Frog couldn't live stream his hate, after all that would be going after the one company that could screw with him. So he focused all his hate and slander on Doug, cause Doug can't cancel Ethan like Barrucci.

Also to point out, Ethan will never be invited to a panel. He could make a 10 million dollar campaign and yet he'll be ignored like a horn frog in the muck.

So keep thinking that you are someone,Frog. But in reality, you are just trapped in that pot of your own hate and envy.

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The bags are sealed up better than standard bags but if my customers are unhappy I will make things right.
 
What did you do, go through all of his tweets and search them for the word "miscarriage," you little psycho?

Holy shit.

He didn't want you talking about it, Nasser.

It's time to shut the pie hole, Sciverhog.

I'm not a huge fan of Nasser but the guy has clearly proven beyond all sliver of doubt that TUG already cashed in on miscarriage sympathy points before Nasser mentioned it. Then you literally search-shame Nasser. Does TUG live closer to T&J's or something?

I'm not sure why you've become this sloppy and stupid with your rhetoric. You really should be more careful. If you don't do something to elevate your game and your name above all the accruing detritus that has become associated with your Comic Artist Pro Secretions, you're not going to maintain the new money. Don't think being a divorcee makes you better at being married and with that Sword of Damocles in that jewish banker wife of yours, I don't think you could ever make enough money to protect yourself from the inevitable realization that almost everyone you've ever had a long-term professional relationship with can't stand you anymore.

Get ready frog, your self-serving antics are running out faster than Carrot Top's trunk o' props...
 
Well Lauren, this is what happens when you constantly throw yourself into the middle of internet drama and let yourself become a face for it. Don't let yourself become known as a shit stirrer and people won't be so quick to accuse you.
You've got to be kidding me. You actually get a discount from BCW Comic Supplies for ordering 10+ packs of boards and/or 10+ packs of bags. It's VERY cheap and an expense I've even paid for out of pocket before to prepare for shipping before the books came in. I don't think a lot of these guys do that, but the cards, bags, boards, gemini mailers, whatever else--order it all BEFORE ordering the books. Get prepared.

1000 Gemini mailers end up being about $0.50-0.55 each. EVERY customer has thanked me for continuing to use them. I've NEVER had a damaged book or one return because of a gemini mailer--they get the books there safe.

This is seriously a new level of incompetence. What the hell?

I'm always surprised how stupid people get. Wenger says these are "sealed better" but all my comics have come in regular bags and boards--I've ordered 1,000+ comics online--and none of them ever had a problem due to "not being sealed well" or anything.

Regular bags and boards are the standard for a reason. And customers prefer geminis for a reason. Wenger says he'll "make things right" but what's he gonna do, reprint the damaged books then resend them? Yeah, you've got a snowball's chance in hell at that!

The $10 shipping he charged was practically all profit. I really can't believe how stupid this man is.

And yes, I did back it. Unfortunately.
 
Ziplock bags, you thought you were delivering weed?
Everything was designed around the posters. I wanted to make them as big as possible without them having to be folded. It was a complete failure because the posters are getting damaged anyway.

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Well Lauren, this is what happens when you constantly throw yourself into the middle of internet drama and let yourself become a face for it. Don't let yourself become known as a shit stirrer and people won't be so quick to accuse you.
Peter Simeti is a fucking retard for pointing the cops at Lauren Cooper. No fucking wonder the "swatter" was never caught. His biggest lead was a twitter troll. When you blame "da damned dirty trolls" it's ridiculous. He might as well have told the cops it was "Clyde Cash" that swatted him.

The bags are sealed up better than standard bags but if my customers are unhappy I will make things right.
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Everything was designed around the posters. I wanted to make them as big as possible without them having to be folded. It was a complete failure because the posters are getting damaged anyway.

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What did you expect from a 10 cent plastic bag? Richard uses the cardboard mailers and the posters arrived to me undamaged every time.
You've got to be kidding me. You actually get a discount from BCW Comic Supplies for ordering 10+ packs of boards and/or 10+ packs of bags. It's VERY cheap and an expense I've even paid for out of pocket before to prepare for shipping before the books came in. I don't think a lot of these guys do that, but the cards, bags, boards, gemini mailers, whatever else--order it all BEFORE ordering the books. Get prepared.

1000 Gemini mailers end up being about $0.50-0.55 each. EVERY customer has thanked me for continuing to use them. I've NEVER had a damaged book or one return because of a gemini mailer--they get the books there safe.

This is seriously a new level of incompetence. What the hell?

I'm always surprised how stupid people get. Wenger says these are "sealed better" but all my comics have come in regular bags and boards--I've ordered 1,000+ comics online--and none of them ever had a problem due to "not being sealed well" or anything.

Regular bags and boards are the standard for a reason. And customers prefer geminis for a reason. Wenger says he'll "make things right" but what's he gonna do, reprint the damaged books then resend them? Yeah, you've got a snowball's chance in hell at that!

The $10 shipping he charged was practically all profit. I really can't believe how stupid this man is.

And yes, I did back it. Unfortunately.
Agree 100%. If you're charging $10 for shipping you should be spending $10 on shipping. I have bought a ton of comics online and literally no one has sent me a comic in a plastic bag. But what did you or any of the backers expect from this guy? Comicsgate is called a scam for a reason. If you give money to these autists you deserve to get screwed.
 
Everything was designed around the posters. I wanted to make them as big as possible without them having to be folded. It was a complete failure because the posters are getting damaged anyway.

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What poster? I don't see a poster mentioned on the campaign page.



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How big is the "mini-poster" and if it fit in those mailers why wouldn't they fit in a better one?
 
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