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[muh_moobs]

The only person I know who praises Trudeau is an older relative who does so only because she has fond memories of his father's governments, for reasons that baffle me. And if the breakup of Canada were to come when I'm still young enough and in good enough shape for service, then I'd volunteer to help make sure the west stays in.

Of course you would. You'd sink without us. Alberta should have left decades ago.

If they vote to leave then let them go. It's rather pointless to have them in confederation if they want to leave. And this won;t be like the american civil war where the economic problems go away because slavery is gotten rid of, they will have these problems forever if they stay with eastern Canada. And if they are forced in then it's very possible that a fascist party takes hold in the west and starts an actual ideological civil war, or alternatively stage a coup like Mussolini did

Alberta was forced into confederation to begin with. We remained a colony for 34 years after B.C. became a province before being "absorbed". Ottawa and London built the railroads across Alberta into B.C. and basically said "whelp, what are you gonna do about it?" and haven't stopped exploiting us since.

we've burned your whitehouse to the ground.

That was the British, bro.

Why are the RCMP so cucked by the CBC? Discuss.

They aren't. Both work in tandem as the top seats are patronage positions that serve by appointment of the PM. You only hear of small shit with the RCMP like when city cops in the states fuck up. Serious stuff is rarely talked about. The stuff that is discussed is the top-brass throwing the working members to the media to fuel anti-cop and anti-conservative sentiment and keep the people fighting each other instead of paying attention to what's happening in Ottawa.

No canuck is going to tell you that all media is government funded because it's patently untrue. So where you really getting your misguided info? Or are you just assuming?

https://www.therebel.media/trudeau-media-canada-money-budget-bailout-news-ezra-levant-show-truth-conservative

There is nothing wrong with the charter.

Read section 33.

Honestly, I haven't visit all of this country myself but of the places I've been, I swear to god I've never in my life met nicer people than I have in Halifax. I don't know what they've got in the water over there but if you ever get a chance to visit Halifax, you definitely should.

Halifax is considerably small and they can spot an outsider a kilometer off. Atlantic parasites know to kiss up for a dollar.

I remember some family from the states came to visit. Making her coffee in the morning the relative couldn't find the m.ilk in the fridge. She was horrified when I showed her this:
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I am surprised regional markets in the US, (like San Francisco), haven't taken this idea.

Because bagged milk is for retards. West of Ontario everyone buys milk in jugs like normal people.

Quebec is goddamed beautiful though and has an interesting culture and heritage so notwithstanding this issue, I recommend visiting. But yeah, Quebec is carrying the financial burden of housing all these illegals currently and the federal government needs to help them more tbh.

Energy East would solve that problem in a heartbeat.

Is it true Canada, Australia and New Zealand are the bestest countries in the world, a compromise between European civilty and American liberty?

Never compromise on Liberty.

 

[Rafal Gan Ganowicz]

Quebecker here. I hope Canada breaks into a number of different countries, with a one-time option to move to the one of your choice without immigration restrictions
While both Quebec and Alberta would be great options for me, the rest of Canada can fuck right off.

 

[Dizzydent]

You two are fucked. Alberta oil right?

And I wanna see a frenchie move to Alberta and see how they compare it to Quebec that's hilarious.

Alberta's energy sector is a drain and was before you figured out how to work the tar sands but because the extraction process is so expensive its costs costs more now to pull it out of the ground than sell it.

Actually Albertan and Frog ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand, you're made for each other.

Sincerely, Ontario

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Quebecker here. I hope Canada breaks into a number of different countries, with a one-time option to move to the one of your choice without immigration restrictions
While both Quebec and Alberta would be great options for me, the rest of Canada can fuck right off.

Don't worry, that will never happen because the second Quebec or any other province thinks about seceding the federal government will get on its knees and suck for dear life.
Canada should have an authoritarian government that shoots anyone that wants to leave, and put separatists in jail.

 

[wry wrangler]

Of course you would. You'd sink without us. Alberta should have left decades ago.

I don't live in the east, dumbass.

 

[Rafal Gan Ganowicz]

You two are fucked. Alberta oil right?
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And I wanna see a frenchie move to Alberta and see how they compare it to Quebec that's hilarious.

Alberta's energy sector is a drain and was before you figured out how to work the tar sands but because the extraction process is so expensive its costs costs more now to pull it out of the ground than sell it.

Actually Albertan and Frog ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand, you're made for each other.

Sincerely, Ontario

My GF is an Alberta redneck transplanted to the mountains of Quebec.Fits in great. As for me, I really didn't like alberta much, so would only consider moving there if Quebec fell apart somehow. As for Canada, it is bullshit. Faggoty commiestan. fuck canada. Ontario has been turned into an open-air zoo, the east is full of gibmegibme welfare scrouts, and BC is the gay bath-house of North America.

 

[Homer Simpson]

The only person I know who praises Trudeau is an older relative who does so only because she has fond memories of his father's governments, for reasons that baffle me. And if the breakup of Canada were to come when I'm still young enough and in good enough shape for service, then I'd volunteer to help make sure the west stays in.

I got a bunch of commie friends who think he shits rainbows. He's better than the retards we have here in alberta. Fucking kenny thinking if taking us out of the CPP to create his own. I will never understand why anyone would ever vote for that retard. I think we need to change shit, but not with threats of leaving.

 

[queerape]

Ontario has been turned into an open-air zoo, the east is full of gibmegibme welfare scrouts, and BC is the gay bath-house of North America.

Half of the GTA is designated shitting streets.

 

[muh_moobs]

I got a bunch of commie friends who think he shits rainbows. He's better than the retards we have here in alberta. Fucking kenny thinking if taking us out of the CPP to create his own. I will never understand why anyone would ever vote for that retard. I think we need to change shit, but not with threats of leaving.

You're right. By actually leaving. As for CPP, you know Albertans pay more into the plan than we take out, right? Without Albertan contributions CPP would crash. And considering that Trudeau has "invested" the fund into Chinese industry, the future of the CPP doesn't look too bright.

You two are fucked. Alberta oil right?
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And I wanna see a frenchie move to Alberta and see how they compare it to Quebec that's hilarious.

Alberta's energy sector is a drain and was before you figured out how to work the tar sands but because the extraction process is so expensive its costs costs more now to pull it out of the ground than sell it.

Actually Albertan and Frog ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand, you're made for each other.

Sincerely, Ontario

Albertan oil has become so cheap because of Ottawa's policy of accepting foreign funding to keep our resources land-locked and off the market.

 

[Homer Simpson]

You're right. By actually leaving. As for CPP, you know Albertans pay more into the plan than we take out, right? Without Albertan contributions CPP would crash. And considering that Trudeau has "invested" the fund into Chinese industry, the future of the CPP doesn't look too bright.



Albertan oil has become so cheap because of Ottawa's policy of accepting foreign funding to keep our resources land-locked and off the market.

It costs about $42 to get a barrel from the sands. If the cost falls bellow $42, we lose money. Now that is just 1 aspect, the second is that the Conservatives that ran for 44 years in alberta kept cutting deals over and over. In 2015 alberta saw roughly 55 billion in GDP. Of that 55, we kept 2. The rest went to the oil companies. Now for our product, we sell it to america, at a loss, and then buy back the refined product, gasoline and such, at a mark up. Again, conservative government. What happens to people like my mom who is 10-15 years from retirement and he ruins the CPP and starts his own, which given how how well he handled the budget giving a bunch of huge corporations a 4.6 billion tax refund while saying the citizens need to pay more taxes for the deficit, I have 0 belief it will work out. Trudeau may be a cuck, but he is a minority government now, and I'm guessing he realizes it. If he keeps treating the west like shit, he knows it won't go well.

 

[muh_moobs]

It costs about $42 to get a barrel from the sands. If the cost falls bellow $42, we lose money. Now that is just 1 aspect, the second is that the Conservatives that ran for 44 years in alberta kept cutting deals over and over. In 2015 alberta saw roughly 55 billion in GDP. Of that 55, we kept 2. The rest went to the oil companies. Now for our product, we sell it to america, at a loss, and then buy back the refined product, gasoline and such, at a mark up. Again, conservative government. What happens to people like my mom who is 10-15 years from retirement and he ruins the CPP and starts his own, which given how how well he handled the budget giving a bunch of huge corporations a 4.6 billion tax refund while saying the citizens need to pay more taxes for the deficit, I have 0 belief it will work out. Trudeau may be a cuck, but he is a minority government now, and I'm guessing he realizes it. If he keeps treating the west like shit, he knows it won't go well.

You understand that we buy back our own oil because we have to beg the National Energy Board for permission to built refineries, right?

As for your mother, she shouldn't have been planning to rely solely on government benefits to finance her retirement. This is the future she chose. The government doesn't work for the people, it only works for itself.

Without tax cuts to business, those businesses, and the jobs they provide, would have left the province. This is still cleaning the mess left by the NDP.

 

[Homer Simpson]

You understand that we buy back our own oil because we have to beg the National Energy Board for permission to built refineries, right?

As for your mother, she shouldn't have been planning to rely solely on government benefits to finance her retirement. This is the future she chose. The government doesn't work for the people, it only works for itself.

Without tax cuts to business, those businesses, and the jobs they provide, would have left the province. This is still cleaning the mess left by the NDP.

Yeah, because everyones system is the same and made the same money to pay in. How about my grandma? What happens to her with the CPP gone? You are actually arguing 1 government fucking us over and another that doesn't care about it's citizens fucking us over. A bunch are leaving the province now. They relied on a small business tax cut they were getting under NDP. The tax cut is for large foreign corporations and not the small ones. All because Kenny thought that this would be good for business. It's not. Especially since he cut funding across the board to push his ideas across. Including privatizing health care. Remember how well that worked for dentistry?

 

[muh_moobs]

Yeah, because everyones system is the same and made the same money to pay in. How about my grandma? What happens to her with the CPP gone? You are actually arguing 1 government fucking us over and another that doesn't care about it's citizens fucking us over. A bunch are leaving the province now. They relied on a small business tax cut they were getting under NDP. The tax cut is for large foreign corporations and not the small ones. All because Kenny thought that this would be good for business. It's not. Especially since he cut funding across the board to push his ideas across. Including privatizing health care. Remember how well that worked for dentistry?

You do understand that when Alberta leaves the CPP that the federal government has to turn over the funds previously collected from Albertans, right? Your grandmother will be fine, and again, just like your mother, she shouldn't have been relying on the government to be her sole source of funding in retirement.

Worked just fine for dentistry. It's not that expensive to purchase health insurance that covers that stuff and to brush twice daily. As for healthcare the cuts were eliminating the mangers managing managers that the NDP hired unnecessarily in order to swell the size of the AUPE. The NDP were also wasting money propping up schools with low enrollment over busing kids elsewhere, largely in cities. This is wasteful and another justifiable reduction in spending.

Small businesses are important, but large corporations provide larger numbers of jobs. Don't you remember that small businesses started to shut down while the NDP were in power because they couldn't afford to pay their employees? And needless lock-downs finished them off.

People have to have jobs to pay taxes to fund the government. It's pretty simple to understand why government would give cuts to corporations over small businesses when tax revenues are down.

As for people leaving, I couldn't care less. The people leaving aren't from here anyways and are who helped put us into this mess, first by whining so loud that Stelmach ended healthcare premiums, which resulted in reduced services, and then voting for the NDP in such numbers they were able to exploit a split conservative vote. Fuck these people who grow up hating Albertans for our successes, then come here demanding a piece of the pie and later vote for the same policies that made their home provinces so unlivable they had to leave.

 

[Homer Simpson]

You do understand that when Alberta leaves the CPP that the federal government has to turn over the funds previously collected from Albertans, right? Your grandmother will be fine, and again, just like your mother, she shouldn't have been relying on the government to be her sole source of funding in retirement.

Worked just fine for dentistry. It's not that expensive to purchase health insurance that covers that stuff and to brush twice daily. As for healthcare the cuts were eliminating the mangers managing managers that the NDP hired unnecessarily in order to swell the size of the AUPE. The NDP were also wasting money propping up schools with low enrollment over busing kids elsewhere, largely in cities. This is wasteful and another justifiable reduction in spending.

Small businesses are important, but large corporations provide larger numbers of jobs. Don't you remember that small businesses started to shut down while the NDP were in power because they couldn't afford to pay their employees? And needless lock-downs finished them off.

People have to have jobs to pay taxes to fund the government. It's pretty simple to understand why government would give cuts to corporations over small businesses when tax revenues are down.

As for people leaving, I couldn't care less. The people leaving aren't from here anyways and are who helped put us into this mess, first by whining so loud that Stelmach ended healthcare premiums, which resulted in reduced services, and then voting for the NDP in such numbers they were able to exploit a split conservative vote. Fuck these people who grow up hating Albertans for our successes, then come here demanding a piece of the pie and later vote for the same policies that made their home provinces so unlivable they had to leave.

The large corporate cuts aren't helping. We aren't getting enough new jobs to justify the loses we are getting. The 4.6 billion is a massive waste. The tax benefit they removed was so small businesses could afford to pay their employees minimum wage. Any company struggling to pay their employees got that benefit so they wouldn't need to lay people off. "Just pay more money for this service". Very conservative of you. Why not just have the pricing guide re-instated to resuce prices? Not like we have a shortage of dentists. Not like supply and demand is a problem. I can walk to over 20 different dnetal offices in under 30 minutes from where I live. But the 140% higher than the next closest place is fine, because "just pay more". People voted for the NDP for a simple reason. The exact same shit that is happening now. The conservatives putting corporate interest above the voters interests. I know it's been a long time since the NDP got that 1 term, but remember the leaks about how the conservatives were mass over spending on themselves? Or are we gonna pretend they were always on budget and not abusing the oil sands money just like the federal government?

 

[muh_moobs]

The large corporate cuts aren't helping. We aren't getting enough new jobs to justify the loses we are getting. The 4.6 billion is a massive waste. The tax benefit they removed was so small businesses could afford to pay their employees minimum wage. Any company struggling to pay their employees got that benefit so they wouldn't need to lay people off. "Just pay more money for this service". Very conservative of you. Why not just have the pricing guide re-instated to resuce prices? Not like we have a shortage of dentists. Not like supply and demand is a problem. I can walk to over 20 different dnetal offices in under 30 minutes from where I live. But the 140% higher than the next closest place is fine, because "just pay more". People voted for the NDP for a simple reason. The exact same shit that is happening now. The conservatives putting corporate interest above the voters interests. I know it's been a long time since the NDP got that 1 term, but remember the leaks about how the conservatives were mass over spending on themselves? Or are we gonna pretend they were always on budget and not abusing the oil sands money just like the federal government?

You're not wrong, but Redford was a wolf in sheep's clothing. I agree we aren't getting enough jobs, but there was no way to know how things would play out. Corporate tax cuts were the best bet.

Too bad businesses were still shutting down even with the small business tax break. It's almost like the government shouldn't have interfered in the economy in the first place . . .

Going back to health, it's not anyone else's responsibility to provide that to you. Time to be a big boy and pay for your own stuff.

As for supply vs. demand, that will always be a problem. Canada sucks, and the "brain-drain" is a long-documented fact; the best and brightest all high-tail it to the US once they're finished schooling, and all we're left with are the left-overs.

 

[Homer Simpson]

You're not wrong, but Redford was a wolf in sheep's clothing. I agree we aren't getting enough jobs, but there was no way to know how things would play out. Corporate tax cuts were the best bet.

Too bad businesses were still shutting down even with the small business tax break. It's almost like the government shouldn't have interfered in the economy in the first place . . .

Going back to health, it's not anyone else's responsibility to provide that to you. Time to be a big boy and pay for your own stuff.

As for supply vs. demand, that will always be a problem. Canada sucks, and the "brain-drain" is a long-documented fact; the best and brightest all high-tail it to the US once they're finished schooling, and all we're left with are the left-overs.

Imagine if they put funds into the health care system to incentivize people to actually stay here, instead of making as many cuts as they did. The business thing is something you seem to be misunderstanding. They gave the 4.6 billion to mainly american companies. Not canadian ones. They basically gave away billions on the hopes it might boost the economy. Not counting covid, the jobs leaving alberta was because they relied on a small tax break the NDP put in that the UCP got rid of. Not to mention the UCP made specific promises about what it would do economically, and then did the exact opposite. They aren't conservative. They are corprate boot licking assholes.

As for the dentistry, I'll just drive for 5 hours to saskatchewan, have it done there, stay the night, drive back, and still have paid less. Or if I want false teeth, I'll go to poland, get them done, then come home, and still save money. That's the point you seem to be missing. That it is so expensive, I can save money by doing shit like that.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Does Canada have a national epic like other countries? England has Beowulf (and by extension shakspear, although his works aren't really considered epics), America has the Columbiad, France has Henriade, and the rest of world has their epic literature. After looking around for a while the best Canadian literature that I could come up with is Anne of Green Gables, which is a children's book, far from anything that can be considered a national epic. I want something that uniquely embodies our history, and what can be vaguely called "the Canadian spirit" (although there's huge doubt as to whether a unique spirit exists at all, except for supreme smugness when referring to Americans.)

 

[Rafal Gan Ganowicz]

Does Canada have a national epic like other countries? England has Beowulf (and by extension shakspear, although his works aren't really considered epics), America has the Columbiad, France has Henriade, and the rest of world has their epic literature. After looking around for a while the best Canadian literature that I could come up with is Anne of Green Gables, which is a children's book, far from anything that can be considered a national epic. I want something that uniquely embodies our history, and what can be vaguely called "the Canadian spirit" (although there's huge doubt as to whether a unique spirit exists at all, except for supreme smugness when referring to Americans.)

Can't think of a pan-Canadian one, but the national epic of Quebec is La Chasse Galerie:

Chasse-galerie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Can't think of a pan-Canadian one, but the national epic of Quebec is La Chasse Galerie:

Chasse-galerie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose it's possible for that to be a pan-Canadian epic if you buy into the joint Anglo-French canadian culture. Canadian literature is funny because Canadians are one of the most over represented groups in literature and publishing, but little is written about Canada itself.
We have lots of short stories and little animations that were created in the latter half of the 20th century, it's only a matter of time until someone picks those up again and creates something akin to a national epic

 

[Mister Qwerty]

Does Canada have a national epic like other countries? England has Beowulf (and by extension shakspear, although his works aren't really considered epics), America has the Columbiad, France has Henriade, and the rest of world has their epic literature. After looking around for a while the best Canadian literature that I could come up with is Anne of Green Gables, which is a children's book, far from anything that can be considered a national epic. I want something that uniquely embodies our history, and what can be vaguely called "the Canadian spirit" (although there's huge doubt as to whether a unique spirit exists at all, except for supreme smugness when referring to Americans.)

I don’t know if they’er would be considered epics but Robert Service’s "The Cremation of Sam McGee" and Roch Carrier’s “The Hockey Sweater” come to mind.

Every kid in Canada who wasn't from Toronto was probably thinking the same thing when they first heard the story, Roch Carrier's mother was an ignorant cunt.